>>28679033 Glock's reliability is on-par for other duty handguns. Even worse than you faggots are the guys that watch youtube videos of torture tests/retard parades and think it's some scientific measure of a gun's ability to work.
When it comes to carry or duty I trust Glock, Sig, HK, S&W, Springfield and Beretta with my life and have at some point. Not saying other companies don't put out reliable pistols, but I've carried the above for work or personal duty at some point.
Get out of the books/videos and out to the range, find stuff like this out for yourself instead of relying on others.
>>28679621 I've put 1500+ rounds through my XD40 and have never had a malfunction. Never a failure to fire, never a failure to eject, nothing. The grip safety doesn't bother me at all either. It just ensures that you are properly holding the gun for it to fire.
>>28679068 >mfw my bulgy mak still keeps getting light and no primer strikes >mfw I tried multiple brands of ammo >mfw I replaced the hammer spring, firing pin, and cleaned the channel >mfw I'm getting ready to order a safety lever from apex, in the off chance the safety is interfering with the firing pin
I really really want it to be good and reliable, but i've replaced enough parts to make it cost the same as my Gen 4 glock 26, and it still isn't reliable.
battle field las vegas reports glocks are the least problematic pistol on the line until 80 grand and then the slide breaks.he also says gen 4s seem to go longer.the thread is on arf com called abused handguns or something like that.more facts and less quacks
>>28682966 >zamak >"commonly also used in cooking pans" >zinc-based alloy >used in cooking pans lmao what in the mother fuck am i reading
"Pot metal" doesn't mean it's used in pots you retard, way to out yourself there. Plus even if they did literally make pots out of zamak (which alloy by the way? there's like seven of them) that doesn't preclude it from being used in firearms. You know what else they make pots out of? Aluminum. Oh, there goes all those ARs and other lightweight milled-receiver guns! What else? Steel. Ohhhh fuck, there goes literally every single firearm made after the 1600's, guess we can't use metal anymore aside from brass blunderbusses.
No, there is not a goddamn thing wrong with using zamak in a firearm, nothing more so than using aluminum, brass, steel, bronze, or polymer. >>28682949 was right to call you out.
Also have you actually used a Hi-Point? Out of all the pistols I have it's the only one that's survived falling down a fucking ravine and being fished out of the Malheur River and it still runs fine to this day.
>>28683434 haha okay please explain how "low quality pot metal components" is bad for slide mass
Give me some hard empirical data, explain to me why zamak (Hi-Point uses steel inserts for structural support btw, factor that in) is an inappropriate metal for the task. I'll be patient, so please, take your time anon.
>>28679033 I don't even know how many rounds I have through my FNP9usg by this point. I shoot it a fuck ton and have had it for 6 years. Probably over 10k and that's a conservative estimate.
I've actually attempted to induce malfunction, to no avail.
Can't limpwrist it even with relatively weak loaded stuff. I went through 1k rounds of steelcase junk in one range trip just to fucking see, and nothing. Didn't clean it and shot for months without cleaning. No failures.
Dunked it in mud, still works. Dropped mags in sand, still works.
Meanwhile my friend's glock23 fails like a bitch if you limpwrist it at all.
>>28683636 I've owned both the FNS and glock 19, the glock has given me far more failures, the fns has actually given me none at all. When I first took the glock out to the range the first 10 or so shots had 3-4 stovepipes. Wasn't limpwristing because I corrected that after the first shot (which was a failure). I'm not sure if its common for glocks to have a break in period... I thought that was only with metal guns, but it continued up until about 150 rounds but there were only 2 failures after the initial 3-4 on the first 2 mags.
My dad swears by H&K and has reportedly never had issues with his usp9 or hk45. I would say h&k and FN are equal to or better than glock easily. Look at the brands with the most military and police contracts around the world. CZ would be up there too. Fuck sig because they charge way too much and every model they make has a 5 story high bore axis.
>>28686474 >first 10 or so It was actually within the first 2 mags, maybe 3, all I know is it was fucking embarrassing. >hey guys check out my new glock, I got it because they're so reliable >*JAM JAM JAM JAM* Fuck.
>>28683492 It's shittier, deal with it. I've shot everything from the fucking raven to thousands of dollar 1911s. If you have shot a variety of firearms you would definitely know that quality is significantly better in well made firearms that don't use zinc, zamak, or whatever cheap ass bullshit they like that week. Cut the slide in half of one of them and come back and tell me it is quality. (I have it is pretty pathetic inside). If a high point is all you can afford, great. But don't compare it to glock, MPs, springfields, H&K etc because it is not even in the same fucking ball park. I'm not a fanboy to any particular brand.. but aside from the 'price point' hi points really aren't that great compared to the other more expensive choices.
tl:dr hi point is ok for the price, but not that great overall.
>>28687200 A CZ is significantly better than a hi-point dude... That's why it is 2-3x as much..
If a high point was as reliable as a g22 (what a very large percentage of police use) why would they pay 3 times as much for a glock when they could get a reliable polymer wonder gun for 150?
There are great polymer guns out there, Glock being on the cheaper side imo. If you pay a hundred and fifty dollars for a pistol, that's what you are going to get. Glock is by no means the 'best out there' but they are cheap and they work.
>>28687610 desu I would rather it have a safety like a 1911 because there is no way I am ccw-ing IWB with one in the chamber without a safety. It would be fine to do with a external holster but it is not worth the risk otherwise imo. People generally talk shit about not carrying one in the pipe, but for glocks that is dangerous IWB.
>>28687647 YOU can just learn how to properly draw your weapon and sweep the safety.
Or just don't even use it and only use it when you holster your weapon when you aren't able to give full attention, say after fucking shooting someone as its purpose intends. If you think your nerves won't be the ones shot you're wrong.
>>28687680 Meh, I don't feel comfortable doing it. If you do good for you. I use a very minimalist holster because I wear shorts and tee shirt(it is very hot here). I'm not saying it 'couldn't work'. I just don't think it works well for me. I realize having that extra second to rack the slide put me at a disadvantage.. But it is what it is.
>>28687645 There is no scenario in which the trigger gets pulled on a properly holstered firearm. It is physically impossible for leather to stretch enough even if you have the holster out and you are trying to pull the trigger through the leather with a screwdriver and if you scurred get kydex.
>>28687461 Because if your gun doesn't go bang when you pull the trigger, it's most likely a bad round. You would be better off in any situation racking the slide and firing again than sitting there pulling the trigger over and over like an idiot in the hope that it might come to life.
>>28687756 FNS-9 costs $100 less than the glock 19. They're almost the exact same size if you can figure out how to put a flat metal floorplate on the mags.
So you don't feel comfortable having it on you loaded? What happens after you have to shoot somebody? What if you have to run because the scene is still not safe, hop a wall even? What if you want to put it away in case officer Retard shows up and sees someone with a weapon?
>>28687756 You're just asking to shoot yourself idiot. If you really wanted to be safe, you would carry with an empty magazine too. That way, there's no risk of you cambering a round and forgetting it when you're fumbling around with it. Plus, in most self defense situations, the bad guy runs away as soon as a gun is presented, so you're taking an extra risk for nothing.
>>28687885 I don't think a firearm has ever chambered itself and shot, but triggers have been pulled accidentally plenty. Kydex is a must for glocks. They should just come with them like the canik does, it'd probably save a lot of morons.
Racking the slide takes very little time with proper training. Flipping a safety takes even less. But my issue isn't with carrying chambered, its with actually getting it in/back in the holster. It just can't be done quickly with comfort, therefore it ain't safe.
>>28687901 Maybe, but you can train yourself to reduce the likelihood of pulling the trigger after a failure to fire. And you would want to do so too, because hitting a dud round over and over wastes valuable time. What you would not want to do is encourage that shit by using a da/sa.
>>28687868 I was referring to the 45 models, not interested in 9mm.
No, I don't because there is no safety on what I ccw and any holster I would consider to be 'safe' would be to bulbous to wear with normal clothes appropriate for the weather. I hate small frame pistols and I would rather have to rack it and have a full frame. DESU if I ever was forced to shoot someone I would do so and run the fuck away. I ran around and did shit with 75-100 pounds on my back and with a rifle, I don't think a pistol will cause me any maneuverability issues dude.
>>28687885 If you pull your firearm and don't use it you are a fucking fool.
>>28687948 That post was a joke. But actually, yes, people often do forget that their guns are loaded before handling or trying to disassemble them. If you think that you're incompetent enough that you might accidentally pull the trigger, then why wouldn't you be dumb enough to forget if you chambered a round?
>but triggers have been pulled accidentally plenty.
I'm on my second Glock 20 and both of them have had jamming issues with Underwood 180 grain and 200 grain TMJ. It's never more than 1 out of 50-100 rounds, but every 1-2 boxes of ammo, I get a jam on this seemingly standard loading.
>>28687021 Allow me to completely kick your point's legs out from underneath it:
The zamak is there for mass, it isn't the primary structural element. Hi-Points are simple blowback pistols and their slides are heavy to compensate for that, the design is fucking perfect the way it is. You can go "hurr ya but pot metal" and other dumbass memes spouted by dumb motherfuckers who don't understand basic engineering concepts. Zamak is actually pretty decent of a material, it's cheap, has a reasonably good shear strength, compressive yield strength, and it's fracture and elastic properties aren't bad at all, comparable to steel. What precludes it from being a barrel material is it's impact strength, thermal expansion coefficient, and it's laughably low hardness. Plus that impact strength and it's properties that surround that preclude it from being used in firearm mechanisms. Zamak parts will snap and shear pretty easily.
So no, it's not "shittier" it does what it does fucking fine which is have a density of about a quarter pound per cubic inch.
While we're here, let's talk about what the Hi-Point pistols actually do. They're cheap, rugged guns that do their job pretty well. I bought one because I wanted a cheap gun I wouldn't worry about if it got fucked up a little bit, as long as it still worked. Mine has performed fucking admirably there, the one issue I had with it jamming came from the fact that it went bouncing along a rocky, steep slope and got a rock jammed in the slide, so I beat it out and cycled the gun without further issue.
You're right, it's not in the same ballpark as other guns because I've yet to see something match that. They're ugly box guns but they're fucking tanks, and my .45 Hi-Point still has decent grouping (thanks fixed barrel!) even after I literally smashed it against a big rock to remove a little rock from inside it.
Found it late last night and skimmed through it. Interesting read, seems like the only thing they have to change out are the recoil spring assembly but the guy implied that those things will go far longer than other recoil spring assemblies (manufacturers recommend changing every 5,000 rounds). He also mentioned slides cracking at the 80-100,000 round mark and that's when glocks go down.
I wish they had HK pistols at the range and gave some insight on how those pistols would hold up at the 100,000 round count and general maintenance scheduling compared to glocks and sigs.
In history, we studied the great civilizations that conquered and expanded their empires, made possible with the discovery of zinc and its use in weapons of war.
Oh wait, no - those were the empires that used bronze and steel. The zinc-warriors got their asses kicked and became the bronze and steel empire's bitches, along with the gay vegan empire and the legendary poodle riders of the eurasian steppes.
>>28683434 I'm glad you understand. I wonder if the Hi-point owners manual has a listing of clever responses, because every time we have this argument it is Hipoint owners spewing the same defensive butthurt bullshit.
You dumb motherfucker. It has a density of 3.85oz/in^3 and is cheap, easy to cast, far more durable than most cast steels, and while it may be lighter than steel ounce per cubic inch, these other factors make it far more viable of a metal to use for raw mass.
Let me run that by you one more time before you run off to catch the short bus: Cheap. Easy to use. Use for what? Slide mass!
Oh and there were never "zinc warriors" you dumb son of a bitch, zinc and copper is brass and brass has a long, long, long fucking history by itself. Are you seriously trying to say brass was never used? Ever? I guess it's use in cannon and gun barrels for most of the 18th century well into the 19th century just doesn't count for you. Or maybe you didn't know that? Possibly because you're some dipshit teenager who's parroting shit he reads on the internet but doesn't understand, and so he tries to tell somebody with 23+ years (24 this year) of experience in the manufacturing industry how these things work.
No. You're dumb. Shut the fuck up and go finger-fuck your airsoft toys.
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