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You have 10 seconds to explain why a katana is better than a broadsword
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It's not.
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>>28677067
In which field? The field of cutting? The katana is better because geometrically it's a higher balance point and more forward weight design, along with having a thicker body, and edge in a harder state which resists change more easily.

Anything else? Not so much.
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>>28677067
You can churn them out for $10 bucks and weebs/mallninjas will buy them $200.
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It is
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>>28677067
No.
The katana is so bad that Samurai consider swordsmen as the worst class of warrior.

It is nothing more than a family heirloom and a symbol of authority.

In the real Japanese military, Samurais are known for their mounted archery and spearmanship. Swords are useless under their docrine
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The katana was made to cut tru flaeshligts and brod speed was made to cut tru medival armour
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>>28677085
Retard alarm!
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Is this even a question? Katana of course
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I would personally use a dildo
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well first of all a katana doesnt weigh as much as jonah hill, and second a katana is much sharper and will cut you harder. the only advantage of a broadsword is that you look like a knight which is cool
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>>28677067
its not though
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>>28677126
>>28677067
Samefag
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Is it just me or does this thread smell like that dust from BBQ flavored Pringles and stale urine?
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>>28677085
Depends on the period. While that's true pre-Sengoku Jidai, it's not really the case during, and afterward under the Shogunate a samurai would typically carry only swords and not wear any armor because his weapons were for personal dueling and a badge of status.
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>>28677095
Fuck off and read about Japanese history, faggot
Literally every battle in Japan was fought in horseback, bows, and spears.
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Heavy SAMURAI
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>>28677148
Well of course!
That's already the time of guns and heavy arsenal.
At that point, the purpose of the katana is to show who is in charge. It is no longer a weapon, but a symbol
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>>28677151
And? None of that has anything to do with what samurai considered as upper or lower class in terms of weaponry. The samurai was the warrior caste, saying samurai consider swordsmen as the worst class of warrior doesn't really mean anything, most carried katana with them as a secondary and when not in combat.

Also it's samurai, not samurais.
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>>28677151
Sounds like every battle in the European middle ages too.
Swords have never been primary weapons for war, they're sidearms and self-defense weapons in most periods.
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>>28677174
Yes it does,faggot.
The amount of training required for a sword user to be on par with a spear man is so fucking long that itf you pride yourself as a master swordsman, you also pride yourself as a bad archer and a bad spearman
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>>28677190
You don't carry a sword into battle as a primary weapon you idiot. Nobody did in either Europe or Asia apart from later, exceptionally large swords that basically were polearms in their own right. Rather, you carry a sword as a sidearm in case your primary weapon is lost, damaged, or becomes less useful in the situation you're in. Weapons aren't an all or nothing thing. You train in multiple weapons.
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>>28677190
Samurai learned to use all kinds of weapons including swords, and they carried em you fucking mong. They didn't look down on its use, it was another tool in the toolbox.
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>>28677201
>>28677214
I was talking about the professionality in the martial art.
Kendo existed together with the Samurai but no sane man actually took it seriously when you have the Naginata and Yumi to overpower any swordsman

Kendo only started gaining popularity because of the japanese media who has no idea of their own history

just because you carry a weapon and know how to use it doesn't mean that you are "good" at it
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>>28677225
You know there are plenty of situations when you don't have a spear, right? Walking around the streets, inside a house, on a battlefield where your spear has been lost and there's no way to recover one. That's when your sidearm is most important, and you can be damn sure they trained with those situations in mind.
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>>28677225
>Kendo
>Anything useful
First off, wat?

Kendo gained popularity because it's a sport and people are competative.

Anyway what >>28677245 said.
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They're both BTFO by guns, so it's just a question of if you wanna look like a weeaboo or a euroboo
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>>28677245
What? Do you honestly think that the Japs have never realized how bad their pig-irons are?
Most houses in Japan are large, well-spaced, and armed with spears. In fact, it became a necessity for women to learn how to use spears and knives in order to protect their home while the men are away.

They never touch the Katana because they know taht it is impractical as hell
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>>28677253
Yup. It was nothing more than a sport.
But as you can see today, people actually think that the samurai valued swordsmanship when in reality, it was the least of their concern
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>>28677273
>thinking Kendo is what samurai learned
Holy fuck this guy for real?
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>>28677225
Kendo appeared in the very late 18th, 19th century, at best, in a proto-form.
The samurai of that time were vastly different from the samurai of the war era.
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>>28677265
Okay, you don't know how steel is made. The rest of this is pointless if you still think that the steel used in Japanese arms and armor was pig iron by the time it was in a finished and usable form.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/a14r4ojo85cu7e0/Tamahagane_Production,_Control_of_Slag.pdf

Here's an actual source you should read.
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>>28677067
One word.

Folded-Steel.

Not only is the steel ore of Japan known to be up to 150% more pure than other types of steel (thanks to iron sand deposits within the ore), but master nihontō swordsmiths were renowned for folding the steel literally thousands of time to further strengthen and increase the magnetic properties of the blade.

If you compare this to European swords, where the sword was often a simple cast which is later sharpened (if you can call it that), you will see that the true swordsman will choose a nihontō every time.
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>>28677286
Hey the memes are here!

Wooo man, sure did miss em!
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>>28677067
CURVED SWORDS
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>>28677279
Fuck you.
I said that no one took it seriously

>>28677282
Yeah, at the date where armed civilians became illegal and only Katana police guards civil order. It was the peak of the Katana but still, at the end, no one took Kendo seriously
Gee, I wonder why

>>28677285
You know that you skipped the part that women are trained in spearmanship, right?


Fuck this. I'm going off. My papers are calling
See you cunts later or whatever
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>>28677311
Bro, read some pre-Shogunate history. You're missing all the best hats.
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>>28677311
Nigga you're so embarrassing.
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>>28677067
I like the katana for its handle. While I do feel it's a little more complex in its construction than is necessary, it's a large and fairly grippy handle that makes the sword rather versatile.

That said, my ideal sword is a zweihander or a grosse messer. Broadswords are only good with another or a shield.
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>>28677148
Even then, in battle, a bushi was more likely to resort to using a wazikashi in close quarters combat. It held up better than the uchigatana or katana against armored opponents.

The ōdachi, IIRC, was primarily a show sword, and was rarely used in battle aside from cavalry.
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>>28677279
To be fair, the Samurai did trained in Kenjutsu but that martial art never really prospered due to obvious reasons
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>>28677067
Fast on the draw.

Also that's not a broadsword. Pic related is a "broadsword".
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>>28677388
>more made up shit
Kenjutsu is a blanket term for all the schools of swordsmanship, there's a ton of different brands. It lives on today just as any of the old European arts that are broken up by schools and doctrines.
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>>28677376
>>28677376
>was rarely used in battle aside from cavalry.
But cavalry was quite a big part of early japanese warfare. In the 14th century, there was a certain fall of the odachi, consecutive to the mongol invasions, but not so before.
Besides most styles of fighting of the Sengoku Jidai included the use of the japanese sword, simply because the samurai was both a generalist and a specialist. You could be particularly skilled with one weapon, but you had to be able to use any typical one, so sword, spear, glaive, bow, staff, shuriken, etc.

Anyway, the short katana ain't that bad in close quarter, you can use it both one handed for grappling and two handed for keeping the other at bay, something you can't exactly do with a kodachi / wakizashi.
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>>28677397
Yes and?
It's still a sword martial art
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>>28677388
Oh Really ?
Well how come there was dozens of kenjutsu schools then ? Schools that spanned for centuries some even until now ? How come the tokugawa shogun personnaly appointed two kenjutsu masters (of Itto-ryu and Yagyu Shinkage-ryu) for his personnal training then ?
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>>28677405
>Yes and?
>It's still a sword martial art
A...and? Right back at you? What is that even response to lol. Are you a native English speaker?
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>>28677406
Sure, and can you tell me a single school that managed to have a position in the military?

Most of those schools are just luxury past times for the rich. Like modern clay shooting.

They offer no practical protection
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Soo... A sword thread? Can we accept that it's useless to squabble over what's the best since it is the technique and mastery that really counts, right? And sometimes a hella of reach over your enemy.

Can post some european swords (I must have somehow lost my japanese stuff, It's gone) and upload my old scans if anyone is interested, huh?
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>>28677409
You gave a broader definition for Kenjutsu, I asked you how that changes anything.
I concluded it by saying that by the end, it is still a martial art meant for blades
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>>28677415
>Sure, and can you tell me a single school that managed to have a position in the military?
In which military? What era? You mean modern? What fucking sword school is relevant with modern militaries? You even on about?

>>28677419
I know, that doesn't mean anything though, I blew apart your stupid post and you just said HUUUUR KENJUTSU IS A SWORD ART. What?
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Fuck the Wapanese.
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>>28677422
Any school will do.
Common sense should tell you that swords are useless outside of theater performance
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>>28677092
This.
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>>28677431
No shit, you're moving the goalposts, we were talking about when they were relevant you moron. Yikes I get it, you got nerd wrecked and are damage controlling the discussion on a circle, relax you're anonymous lol, no one cares you're an idiot but you.
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>>28677422
Nigga, you dumb.
You simply said what Kenjutsu is but changed nothing about the fact that, under general definition, it is a sword martial art
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>>28677437
Any military, any era.
If a kenjutsu school is so great, the military would employ it's teachers to train their platoon. It's that simple

Can you name at least one, [spoiler]idiot[/spoiler]?
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>>28677141
I was getting more of a spaghetti-o's aroma.
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>>28677265
>katana
>somehow less practical than an old jap kitchen knife
>pic related
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>>28677418

Small Hieb- und stichwaffen album by Eduard Wagner.

http://www99.zippyshare.com/v/ojydoFR2/file.html
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>>28677449

And another example.
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>>28677415
>that martial art never really prospered due to obvious reasons
You were the one to say this, which is complete bullshit since, well it did prospered in the 15th century up until the 18th century, like... when swords were actually used !

Both the Itto-ryu and the Shinkage-ryu were appointed for training the Shogun court and the officers, so it did "managed to have a position in the military", then again... when swordfighting was a thing.
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>>28677448
Surprisingly yes.
A buckler is more practical than a shield
A mace is more practical than a hammer
A knife is more practical than a katana
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>>28677265
>it became a necessity for women to learn how to use spears and knives in order to protect their home
So that's why Otae always has a Naginata
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>>28677452
Being hired to train a single official simply because he wanted to a good past time does not count.

If they are so good, the Shogun would tell them to train his soldiers as well.
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>>28677461
>single official
>the shogun
They were appointed to train the entire court, do you thing that back then swordfighting was a hobby ?
Besides, basic soldiers weren't trained by master swordsmen, just like in Europe for that matter.
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>>28677454
Sure, I guess if you can close the gap between you and your enemy fast enough. Jeez a fucking broom handle is a better option in mono e mono scenarios
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>>28677479
I'm not a martial artist but I was told that it was more about the faster reflex.
Sometimes, dexterity is better than range
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>>28677478
>train the entire court
>train a bunch of politians who know nothing about combat
>that martial art must be some unique black magic, holy shit!

Call me once you found evidence that those trainers got recognition from actual soldiers
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>>28677461

This logic is faulty, and you should have an idea why. You're now putting eveyrthing into frame of being "practical" while ignoring the stratification of society back then. It would be the same with the old Europe - Why would anyone get a sword, obviously if a knife tied to a pole is a better idea?

The warrior caste have other priorities in their lifes, they organise them in a different way, they are treated differently. We cannot compare them to some footsoldiers or peasants because they are not.

The period of tachi/uchigatana usage is not an inherently japanese thing - it's a general manifestation of idea behind a warrior and his sword, which appeared in many cultures. We can argue about it's usage in certain condititons and we all know why it wasn't really a primarly weapon. But calling it useless and impractical is still an err.

Here, have this sword and simply enjoy it. There is no need to be agressive towards each other here.
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>>28677440
And? Did I ever say it wasn't a sword art? What the fuck lol?

>>28677445
See >>28677478
Christ you're a dumbfuck.
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>>28677067
>You have 10 seconds to compare an apple to an orange

Westaboos are just as bad as weeaboos and you should be ashamed.
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>>28677490
>know nothing about combat
>The late Sengoku-Jidai Tokugawa court
Well, it appears you know nothing about Japan history, it was fun and all but then...
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>>28677493
uhhh...yeah?
But how can you say that a martial art is actually useful when the only ones who adored it are the ones who never face any combat in their life?

No weapon is truly useless nor perfect. But we all know what weapon is most preferred during times of war.

Sword is not one of them.
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>>28677500
Well, you can always "compare" two stuff, the nihonto has one edge, the arming sword two, guards are differents because blablabla, comparing two things is easy, determining what's better is not.
But anyway... orange masterrace, sorry appleboos.
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>>28677505
Come on, man. You know that those nobles are never going to face no combat in their life.

There is a reason why those teachers were not given the rights to teach frontline soldiers.
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>>28677506
I know it's fun and all, but you really shouldn't go onto the internet and tell lies.
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>>28677493
What do think about the Taureg Takouba? Any comparisons you can make with swords of similar style?
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>>28677513
Why wouldn't they ? We have many accounts of them doing so, losing their lives in the process.
Do you think nobles back in Europe never went in combat either ?

I mean, at least try to throw in some good jokes, otherwise it's just boring to read one uninformed person. You make it sound like it's "common knowledge", in fact all you say is "stupid knowledge", if you could call it something worth it. Having an opinion doesn't mean you can't spout complete nonsense.
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>>28677513
>i-i-i was just acting retarded guys! =))))
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>>28677506

>But how can you say that a martial art is actually useful when the only ones who adored it are the ones who never face any combat in their life?

Which isn't really true in all situations, is it? While it is true that after tokugawa shogunate we have a period of relative and long peace in japan and it's the thing you are talking about - the samurai are training swordmanship and romanticizing it themselves while not really testing their abilities in combat on daily basis - it's not that we don't have any swordmanship before that.

>No weapon is truly useless nor perfect. But we all know what weapon is most preferred during times of war.
Sword is not one of them.

But it still plays an important role. Not only as a weapon of second/third (or even last) resort but as an embodient of the role of the warrior. Oldest swords are around 5300-5000 years old and while it is still speculated how important role they played in the beggining and if they were just ceremonial items at best, it is fact that once they appeared they existed and played their role for a long time.

You're not wrong anon, it is simply that your perspective is a bit warped.
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>>28677534
>Why wouldn't they ?
Because war is less about combat and more about economics, politics, and other paperworks.
The purpose of the nobles is to take care of the paperworks and order soldiers around.

The nobles in both east and west does nothing in terms of combat and instead focuses their entire life commanding people behind.

Just find me records that your teachers was recognized by the common footsoldiers and be done with it.
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>>28677534
In my animes the nobles all cower behind their ninjas and dakamarukawaiidesus
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>>28677530

Personally I would love to own one. I do not know hoever that much about them or their making process in the first place.

The handle is rather unique, I don't know of other style that is so similiar, but that may be only my lack of knowledge. I think that Sudanese Kaskaras are somehow their closest relatives, but they still are made in more "european" fashion. There are even known instances of Kaskaras made with original baldes acquired during crusades and later.
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>>28677558
>The nobles in both east and west does nothing in terms of combat and instead focuses their entire life commanding people behind

I've searched my entire reaction folder and I cannot find an anime girl smug enough to encapsulate how fucking idiotic a statement this is.

Here's a neat early firearm instead.
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>>28677579

Here we have more traditional Kaskara - not the lack of single fuller but multiple grooves - the same thing we can see in the in Tuareg swords. Still - the handle is rather different and the blade is rather straght and even compared to Takouba. But.
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>>28677582
Do you even have the basic gist of the how the political landscape works?
This shit can be seen even in today's military. The highest ranking soldiers stay in the most fortified fortresses and just give out orders.
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>>28677558
The nobles still participated in direct combat, just look at the hundred years war, nobles were taken prisoners and all precisely because they went into direct combat. And why, because they were the one with enough money to buy a substantial equipment. Not all nobles were fuck rich, many low-status nobles were common soldiers. You are warped in your idea that nobles weren't soldiers, it's completely silly, they were soldiers for centuries, in Europe and Japan.

You're just so wrong it's not even funny. Do you think that the norman nobles had no effect on combat during the crusades for instance ? That cavalry charges were nothing ?

Nobles weren't all commanders and administrators that's idiotic.
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>>28677592
Seeeeeeeeeee >>28677593

I love this hole of retardation you're digging.
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>>28677558
>The nobles in both east and west does nothing in terms of combat and instead focuses their entire life commanding people behind.
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>>28677593
BUT IN MY ANIMES THEY DON'T DO ANY FIGHTING THEY ONLY SIT IN THE BACK AND FAN THEMSELVES!! >=O
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>>28677593
I believe that you mean "knights"
Nobles are the ones who fund those heavy armor and ensures the food supply.
Knights are the ones who are captured for ransom

>That cavalry charges were nothing ?
kek. Are you seriously thinking that cavalry charges happen because an officer is leading the charge?
You're watching too much fantasy movies, anon
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>>28677589

Look at this thing. It's famous "Moonbrand" sword, adorder by Oakeshott himself. Notice how the blade and grooves are really identical to the Takouba blades?

What does it mean? I dare not to draw conclusions from such indecisive data, but it is still rather interesting.
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>>28677596
You know, Godfrey died away from the frontlines. No one knows if he got sick or was poisoned. But historians agree that it was not combat that killed him
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>>28677602
Here's a book that might help you, anon. It's a children's book made to help kids understand what a knight is. There's even lots of really pretty pictures in it.
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>>28677602
Oh and nobles and knights are never ever the same thing ?
Like, in the hundreds of prisoners of the first charges of Azincourt many weren't both nobles and knights at all ?
And what I (admittedly poorly) meant is that, back in the crusades, many nobles were leading and into charges. The norman nobles were one of those who popularized the cavalry charge as a main battle tactic, those people were both soldiers and part of the local nobility, both high and low.
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>>28677602
If you don't know what a knight is there's really no point in trying to convince you of anything. You'll just start arguing that the grass is the sky.
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>>28677619
Better example maybe. High nobility, got (definitely) killed in combat.
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>>28677619

And does it makes him any less of a combatant? At least he didn't drown before getting to the holy land.

Have some fitting music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_zjgZJOFl4
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>>28677633
I czeched that book out so many times in middle school, the librarian told me to keep it.
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>>28677633
>>28677641
>Oh and nobles and knights are never ever the same thing ?
Well, yeah?
Knights are sons of rich family who are bound to serve a lord. The lord is the noble

The knight is all but just a high ranking soldier that the monarch blessed.
His authority is controlled by the lord.

>back in the crusades, many nobles were leading and into charges
Anon, cavalry charges are faulty as hell. The majority of recorded charges end up into failure primarily because they tend to break formation.
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>>28677635
Let us not forget King John of Bohemia, who died charging the English at Crecy while being stone blind because he wanted to go out swinging.
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>>28677651
>>28677652
>>28677668
Sounds like they are good men.
Shame the majority of nobles can't have the same glorious deaths
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>>28677667
You don't know what a noble is do you?
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>>28677067
They're not.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMUtS78ZxryO9NKU_ceM-LhcnSnAc2kHV
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>>28677633
Eyewitness books ruled.
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>>28677667

>The knight is all but just a high ranking soldier that the monarch blessed.
>all but just a high ranking soldier

Frankly I just don't know. I simply don't.
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>>28677661
The same thing happened for me and the one called Warfare. I had a bunch of these books as a kid.

There was another. Not an eyewitness book, but also awesome. It was this huge cutaway book of a 18th century British Man-o'-War, describing daily life as a sailor in the Navy, how the ship functioned, how it fought, and a bunch of other cool stuff. I must have read it dozens of times.
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Why do swordfags have to be so autistic. Swords are cool as fuck but you guys fuck up the community so badly.
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>>28677667
Oh ok so you don't know what a knight, noble or lord is... that explains.

Besides, the cavalry charge was still extremely effective in the high middle ages, sure, by the time of the hundred years war, it's effective wasn't as good, but that's why I talked about the crusades.
Without the heavy norman cavalry, it's doubtful the crusaders could have opposed the turks in the first place.
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>>28677696
Imagine you're having a nice thread about whatever when suddenly there's a guy running around, screaming that pistols are useless, that nobody ever used pistols, why would you ever use a pistol when you have rifles, all these guys using pistols are just fakes, officers are lies, why is everyone calling me stupid, etc.

That's what this thread is like. One retard who managed to ruse his way into pissing everyone off.
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>>28677709

This is why we all should just calm down and enjoy posting sword and talking about them. I know where we are and stuff but I still believe that we can have civilised discussions about stuff we like here.

Oh, yeah. Is KM still around?
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>>28677675
>>28677699
>belonging to a hereditary class with high social or political status; aristocratic.
Yeah, I fucked up a bit but whatever.
Knights are below the lord and that's that.

Actually, cavalry charges lost its effect when longer and stronger spears were put into service. This even got worse with the invention of more powerful bows.
Formation battles remained superior than dashing through
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>>28677719
I see him way more on /tg/ than /k/, but he's still around.
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>>28677725

Good to know, thanks!
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>You have 10 seconds to explain why a katana is better than a broadsword
Cops would probably care less about you walking down the street with a katana.
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>>28677721
No, knights can be a lord, they aren't directly related.
One has been, well, knighted, giving him responsibilities mainly in warfare (number of troops to gather and direct). Lords ruled over lands, sometimes in a hereditary manner. Both could be nobles or not for that matter.
Sure, knights, lords and nobles are related, but none of them implies the other in any automatic ways. Some nobles paid money not to be knighted because they didn't want to go to war for instance.

There's no below, it's not a hierarchy of titles at all. Non-knights and non-nobles could be lords or more important an officers than a knighted noble for that matter.
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>>28677739
Oh you never know, I've seen cops arresting katana_street_wielders at least three times in the past, say seven years. They are out there !
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>>28677744
Knights, actual knights who hold the title of knight, must be nobility. Usually they own land, but poor landless knights existed. Men-at-arms served knights directly as part of their retinue, and were not necessarily noble or landowners. In combat they fight with their lord in the same manner, leading a lot of people to confuse man-at-arm and knight.
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>>28677747
It could've been a sting, where an undercover cop buys loli mags from a street-level dealer, then they grab him.
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>>28677674
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>>28677067
Katanas were used against people they were effective against. Broad Swords were shit because everyone had chain mail or better in Europe.
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Katana looks cooler, sooo....
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Longsword master race
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Created by master chapter artificer and folded 40 million times
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>>28677890
>Broad Swords were shit because everyone had chain mail or better in Europe.
>Maille suddenly coats the whole body making the wearer nigh immortal against the puny broad sword wielder.
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>>28677151
Samurai would later also become known for matchlock guns.
The Nips had a serious boner for the matchlock.
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>>28677067

Give me one reason why a bastard sword isn't the best sword ever.
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>>28678278
You can't use a shield very well with one ?
It's too long in confined space ?
It's a compromise of cut and thrust that don't do either as good as specialized ones like rapiers, estocs, falchions and other types of swords ?
There is no best sword ?
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I like katanas
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>>28677449

Cool, thanks.

here, a thing i made a few days ago

it isn't perfect, but its good for these threads
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>>28678278
A "bastard sword" is not a thing.you're thinking of a longsword, whether it be german, English, or italian.

Quite frankly, if you're a trained civilian looking to defend yourself, longsword are fucking god tier in unarmoured combat.

Out of that however, they're sidearms, to the primary and somehow overlooked poleaxe, spear/pike, etc.
>>28678315
>can't use a shield very well with one
You're supposed to use the sword m8.
>MUH confined spaces
Italian men had no problems with defending their selves with them in dank alleyways in Verona.
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>>28678556
>Piercing attacks
>With the crossguard

Remove the word "facts" from that filename.
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>>28678578
>never heard of mordhau
K
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>>28677067
This is not broadsword.
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>>28678588
>Learned about weapons from /v/idya
K
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>Remove the word "facts" from that filename.

Pommel strikes, crossguard attacks, half-swording, strong edge versus weak edge, this is all stuff that's been taken straight from the original fight books and verified as viable combat techniques by modern practitioners.

I don't know how much more factual you think it can be.
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>>28678556
Your shits wrong yo. the handle of longswords is always for both hands.
>that anachronisms
>that misunderstood techniques
>either enthusiastic HEMA newbie or just vidya
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>>28678982
I'll refer you back to the words "piercing attacks."

At no point in time did I say that mordhau wasn't a thing.

Yes, people hit each other with their pommels and such. No, they could not force the hilt of their swords through armor. Mordhau is using your sword like a hammer, not using your guard like a pick.

Some guards were ostensibly made to be used as a pick, but they often come with a hammer as well and I'd imagine that the latter, if anything, was used.

If you're wondering what else I take issue with:

>Historically superior
>Despite the weapons never meeting in any meaningful way

>Implying japs didn't make/modify their swords to suit the individual using them
>Implying the japs didn't into fullered blades
>Implying the japs didn't into striking with the grip
>Implying all katanas were works of art
>Implying all longswords were utilitarian
>Implying the japs didn't have good steel
>Not implying that their forging techniques were outdated
>Implying that Yurop dropped forge welding

There's a whole lot of BS in that pic alongside the accurate bits. As far as I can tell the pic doesn't even mention distal taper, which is kind of a big damn deal in many Eastern and Western swords.
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it's not the sword - it's the user.... depends in what kind of swordplay/sword fight you are trained- that weapon is best for you...
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>>28679233
That sword is so thin, you'd think it would snap when you try to use the hammer. Is it a triangle blade?
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>>28677286
lmao I actually physically laughed
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>>28677073
/thread
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>>28677493
>Here, have this sword and simply enjoy it. There is no need to be agressive towards each other here.

m8, just start running now
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>>28677602
From Wikipedia, the Battle of Agincourt

Notable casualties
French

Notable casualties (most named by Enguerrand de Monstrelet[69]) include:[70]

Leading officers:

Charles I d'Albret, Count of Dreux, the Constable of France[71]
Jacques de Châtillon, Lord of Dampierre, the Admiral of France
David de Rambures, the Grand Master of Crossbowmen
Guichard Dauphin, Master of the Royal Household

Three dukes:

Antoine of Burgundy, Duke of Brabant and Limburg, and consort Duke of Luxembourg[71] (a brother of John the Fearless, Duke of Burgundy)
John I, Duke of Alençon-Perche,[71] the second-in-command after d'Albret.
Edward III, Duke of Bar[71] (along with his brother and nephew)

Seven counts (eight with d'Albret):

Philip of Burgundy, Count of Nevers and Rethel (another brother of John the Fearless)
Frederick of Lorraine, Count of Vaudémont (brother of Charles II, Duke of Lorraine)
Robert of Bar, Count of Marle and Soissons (nephew of Edward III, Duke of Bar).
John VI, Count of Roucy,
Waleran III of Luxembourg, Count of Ligny and Saint-Pol (called "Count of Fauqemberg" in the chronicles)
Edward II, Count of Grandpré
Henry II, Count of Blâmont

and some 90 bannerets and others, including:

Jean de Montaigu, Archbishop of Sens
John of Bar, Lord of Puisaye (brother of Edward III of Bar)
Jean I de Croÿ, Lord of Croÿ-d'Araines and two of his sons, John and Archambaud
Jean de Béthune, Lord of Marueil
Gallois de Fougières, Provost Marshal, commemorated as the first French gendarme to lose his life in battle.[72]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agincourt#Notable_casualties
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>>28677721
>Knights are below the lord and that's that.

no.

most lords were also knights.

a young nobleman would be a knight before he inherited his father's title.

it's more complicated than you think.

read a book nigger.
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