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>implying anyone uses IRC
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If you're on mobile look up AndroIRC for the app. Any questions, ask in the thread to get you set up.
For Ranger info, obviously.
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
For all Army SF info.
For Navy Corpsman info.
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
For info on the Australian Defense Force, and how you can shitpost on the world stage
Before you ask a question, check the FAQ
Which branch are you enlisting/enlisted/considering?
Ask questions, answer questions, bitch about Air Force recruiters, accuse each other of stolen valor. Just keep it contained to this general you clucks.
So you've decided to enlist. Good for you. You're not just going to be some POG schmuck, though. You're going to operate. Trying to decide which Special Operations unit you're going to join, though is a lot trickier than it sounds.
Let's go down the list in order from least to most respectable:
Air Force Combat Controllers and Parajumpers are eliminated right off the bat because they're fucking Chair Force. Fuck that. If you're in the Air Force and you're not flying a fighter you've fucked up.
Coast Guard ASTs? Are you kidding me? Coast Guard? Fuck that. You can be a lifeguard at the Y. Stop wasting my time.
Marine Raiders are pretty new so no one knows what they are and no one will care when you tell them you are one. Marines are generally dumb as a box of rocks and you don't want people thinking you're stupid.
Army Rangers should be near the top of anyone's list, but there are some concerns. The last famous Ranger was Pat Tillman and he was shot by his own guys. Half the Army has a Ranger tab on their shoulder so no one will care if you're a real Ranger and it's impossible to tell people you were Army without people thinking you weren't tough enough for the Marines.
Army Special Forces are extremely cool and everyone respects them, but you should be a little iffy on their role. As a Green Beret, you will be doing a lot of helping dirty-ass locals with their problems so that they don't fight back when the Air Force mistakenly bombs one of their tribe's villages. Do you want to be in the Peace Corps or do you want to Operate?
Navy SEALs are at the top of anyone's list. They're hardcore and everyone respects them, but "American Sniper" made them look like a bunch of goofballs except Chris Kyle who was a liar. Also, the Navy's dress uniform is as faggy as the rest of the Navy.
As you can see, there's really no perfect choice, but such is life among the elite warriors of America: you have to sometimes make do with what you're given.
Best of luck!
>Are POGs actually that strongly and seriously made fun of in the armed forces, or is it just a running joke sort of thing?
I was in the Marines from 2003-2008. I was an 0861 (an artillery forward observer), so I was a POG, by definition, but I was constantly sent out with infantry companies. No one ever called me POG. (I never called myself a grunt, either.)
There's also some slight disagreement over whether it does or doesn't include all combat MOS. It was originally "pogue" and POG is a backronym.
I've probably heard the term more on these threads than I ever did in the Corps.
If anything, the term was used when talking about people who were super-moto or self-aggrandizing about non-combat jobs. If you fixed trucks, if you took your job seriously, then you were respected. If you blew smoke about how you were actually "basically a grunt" because of that time you manned the fifties in a convoy, no, that's POG.
Lots of Marines I know, grunts and POGs alike, get slightly offended to hear civilians use it. It's like how black people can use the n-word but white people can't. Personally, I don't care one way or the other.
The only people who actually care are filthy unwashed grunts, and true POGs will never interact with them anyways.
True POGs will humor the ego of grunts they encounter, because that's literally all grunts have going for them. "Oh sure, buddy, yeah, I'm a POG and you're an awesome warrior god. I'm going to go back in my hardened air-conditioned building and browse 4chan while you sweep rocks now, okay? Make sure you re-up soon, because unlike me you have zero civilian prospects."
>yfw people read the guide and take it seriously.
>"Gee...as an Army Ranger I would indeed have to explain why I wasn't tough enough to be a Marine. I guess I'll have to be a Marine Ranger."
I'd only add you will never understand the internal cringe/kek as an 0311 hearing a turbopog unironically saying and believing, "Every Marine is a Rifleman"
I honestly had no idea. My gut instinct was to serve and I didn't want to be forty years old wishing that I'd stood up when my country called.
It's easier to say "Fuck, enlisting was a mistake" than it is to spend a lifetime wishing I'd done it.
>Work minimum wage job.
>No friends, socially awkward.
>Be failing shitty gen-ed college.
>Grown up who still doesn't know what he wants to be when he grows up.
>Video games and hot pockets every night.
>Need to get my shit together.
>Recruiter says 2fat2enlist.
>Drop a ton of weight, still fat but not obese
>Get 99 ASVAB, join Army to work with computers.
>Get sent to military hacker school.
>Everyone else there has a similar story, smart but dunno how to adult and go to college.
>I've found my people.
>Uncle Sam paid for my Bachelor's and Master's degrees.
>Lucked into a job field that is insane money on the outside, and I'm alright at it.
Would do again.
I don't like the real world.
Don't wanna pay rent or be an adult really.
I would just like yo get paid and party with some bros, and from the numerous stories both here and IRL, the peacetime military can give me that.
Plus I technically immigrated here illegally (citizen now) so I feel like I owe something.
When people say "don't go 11B right now because you'll be mopping the sidewalk" or whatever, are they saying that it's not a good job in comparison to what you could be doing in the army, or because it's a legitimately shitty existence?
Because to be honest, after three years of working night shift unloading pallets out of the backs of trucks at a grocery store for just barely above minimum wage, being a janitor with benefits doesn't sound that bad.
There are definitely civilian jobs that are worse than peacetime infantry, but if you're already going through all the trouble of enlisting, why not grab a cushier job or one with more civilian applications?
i'd say im somewhat lean but i do have that anterior tilt going on, its been at least a week or so. should the bar touch the chest? ive heard arguments of yes and no because of shoulder pressure it may cause, which it does for me since one of my shoulders is like caved in a bit
I just realized I literally cannot get clearance because of Mexican citizenship laws.
Basically, I was right on the edge of a new law that decrees any person born on Mexican soil is a citizen, no matter what. But searching online all over the place has told me I cannot relinquish it.
/meg/, what are some good non-clearance jobs?
Or, does anyone know how to relinquish Mexican citizenship? I've looked at other forums asking the same question and the Mexican consulates are always uncooperative.
Why do people stress having at least a 90's AFQT here?
Would it be better to retake the ASVAB with an 82 AFQT or is it fine?
MOS I want is 35M, and I intend on scheduling the DLAB sometime next month
82 is probably fine, depending on your line scores.
90+ just means you pretty much qualify for all jobs without even looking at line scores. It's a good mark to shoot for so you have maximum options.
This is the operative term. If I were going in during peacetime, I would most definitely go into an interesting job with good opportunities for education and post-enlistment employment.
In wartime, though, going in as a non-combat MOS...I don't know...seems like going in halfway to me.
>In wartime, though, going in as a non-combat MOS...I don't know...seems like going in halfway to me.
Halfway my ass, most people can contribute way more to the mission as a POG than as a bullet sponge. E3s in intel can be the go-to subject matter experts for a division commander (O7), while E3s in infantry are trying to shave well enough to get their platoon leader (O1) off their back.
Hey, just my personal opinion. Those who serve do so in different capacities and for different reasons.
In the civilian world, though, no one cares. Veteran is veteran and no one ever asks what you actually did, for fear of triggering PTSD.
>Be supply clerk
>Truck from Staples was delayed for three days because of snowstorm
>I can still hear the screaming in my dreams.
>Paper clips! Where are the fucking paper clips?! My organization system!
35M here. Just curious, what interests you about this MOS? My advice. Do well on the DLAB. Pass the DLPT, get language pay. Try to get Airborne either before you enlist or somepoint at AIT or DLI. I'm a language-less faggot stuck in the 101. Life is gay.
>In the civilian world, though, no one cares. Veteran is veteran and no one ever asks what you actually did, for fear of triggering PTSD.
Not what they said when I got hired. They basically said "The only reason we can hire you at this grade is that you did the same job in the military for four years, otherwise we would be starting you at the 'only has a Bachelor's degree' level."
Wanted to get some work in HUMINT (Always interested me) and learn a language, then go OCS and try to sneak my way into some corner of intel before getting the boot and going to work in some Alphabet Agency or Defense contractor
This is how it'd go ideally but it probably wont knowing my luck, but fuck it why not try?
Hey guy, I'm leaving tomorrow. I just wanna thank all of you guys for all of your advice, especially /fit/bro.
Weight: 179 (5'10)
1 Mile run: 7:49~
Gonna make it, will post before and after when I get back. I'm sure I'll lose a lot of weight since I'm still pretty fat.
If you want to pull that off:
1. Be actually good at your language. There's a huge difference between those who hold a language because their job says they have to and those who actually put in the time/effort to maintain it. It's like PT, you can't stop working out and expect to stay in shape language-wise.
2. Get your degree in something that isn't bullshit. That usually means STEM from a real school, not Criminal Justice from Phoenix.
3. Be able to maintain a high level of clearance, including being able to pass a full-scope polygraph.
In the civilian world, those three things are more important than all of your military awards/rank put together.
I think it depends on what job you did in the military vs what job you do as a civilian.
My military job had next to no civilian application. (If you have a large cannon and would like someone to locate targets for you, I'll forward you my resume.)
I'm a computer programmer now. When I got hired, they saw my degree and they probably saw the nice little tax write-off they get for hiring veterans.
Among the non-veterans in the office I get asked nothing more than the following:
>What branch were you in?
>Did you go to Iraq/Afghanistan?
Asking more than that is impolite, apparently.
I see. Well, you know that HUMINT is a thing which is more than I could say for myself when I enlisted. Your plan isn't bad or impossible. It's going to take some work however. And honestly, a lot of luck.
I had an IEP in highschool, basically I had a counselor who talked to me about me doing homework.
I was not formally diagnosed but the school district basically told me I had aspergers or autism or whatever it was.
I function entirely normally and it was really just some bullshit because my mother pushed for it because she couldnt accept she was an abusive whore.
Tldr does aspergers diagnosis, never took meds, bar you from enlisting in army or marines
Thanks for the advice man, I appreciate it
As for language tips, what do you do to keep up? Talk to natives, listen to media, read etc, or would it be better to blend it all together?
Alright, thanks for the advice man
Maybe I'm being a bit dreamy, but I honestly think if I work at it enough it'll something will come out of it.
Go to a doc and determine if you actually have aspergers, if you don't know if it's a formal diagnosis.
they cant check your records anyway, just dont piss in your pants at the physical or do drugs the night before meps or inhale while doing the breathalizer and they wont know youre retarded
Thanks man I was fucking scared. I'm not retarded I was just awkward as fuck in middle school with some shitty parents.
Apparently it was an educational diagnosis anyways, not a legit one, not sure of the difference to MEPS though.
I think I'll just shut the fuck up at MEPS because if I don't get in I'll probably end up being depressed about any route I go, I think I can risk the charge.
>I'm not retarded
its ok little boy, where are your parents?
Google for a video demonstrating bench press form. Make sure you squeeze the bar to stabilize your wrists, and the bar should be lowering to around the bottom of your ribcage, but be pretty much directly above your shoulders when you have to locked up. Most people have bad bench form, because they assume it's intuitive.
It should be touching just below your nipple on your sternocostal head. Should be like pic related.
>I'm from buenos aires and i say kill em all
No, but really, I see the military as an opportunity to escape this liberal hippyshit world without suicide.
Every day my capacity to hold my tongue to keep in line with this politically correct bullshit is being pushed to it's limit.
Can't even say the word faggot in a private discussion with my friend without some landwhale at my community college calling me out for it.
I plan on holding off enlisting until my double jaw surgery and braces are removed.
They are going to put thin metal plates in my face for the surgery, is this going to affect my ability to join the military?
I have bad news for you, my friend.
1. the military is nearly as politically correct as the civilian world.
2. the military doesn't tolerate being an asshole any more than the civilian world does.
Grew up near a massive Air Force base so since childhood I always thought the Air Force was some cool shit. You don't show a 5-6 year old an SR-71 and not expect him to think that's the coolest shit ever. Then I ended up like this anon after high school >>28672408
Now here I am, almost two decades later, and I can't see myself being anywhere or doing anything else. The Force is my life, and my blue brothers that I work with are what keeps me happy to get up in the morning and report to duty.
1. the military is at least as politically correct as the civilian world (offend somebody = they don't want to join = fewer floor moppers and button pushers)
2. currently you get called out meaninglessly for saying faggot, in the military you might get a disciplinary action on your record that will affect your career for saying it.
I do neither. It's completely unprofessional to walk up to them and start talking about how nice 2D girls are, but at the same time, I haven't sperged like an idiot when they've inspected my room and seen my figures.
In the military, nobody can judge you for your hobbies if you're professional at work and aren't a shitbag. Better to be a weeaboo with Chinese plastic dolls than to be the party type who gets an article 15 after being hit with a DUI.
My squadron commander (Lt. Col) did a room inspection last month, saw my dolls, and proceeded to talk about Dragonball Z, Highschool DxD, and other ecchi shit.
There's all kinds of weirdoes in the AF.
The bottom of your sternum is the bottom of the front of your ribcage. I wasn't sure what you were trying to say since "in line with your sternum" makes more sense as holding the bar aligned with your head and feet, since your sternum is at a right angle to the bar. "in line with your sternum" could mean anything from proper form, to poor form, to suicidal form.
I'm 18 and ship off to Parris Island in September and I feel like my life is working out like yours did, not being able to adult properly, etc.
I might be doing the BY program or whatever it's called (I got a 92 on the ASVAB and the recruiters talked me into picking it, guess I'm too smart to pick what I want) and I'll be doing electronics maintenance. In my free time I'll workout and pursue a degree and maybe I'll make decent money to come back to Miami.
I want to be a Raider before I get out, though.
Yeah. The Marine liaisons at MEPS were funny.
Literally grasping at straws to smoke out some imperfections and DQ you.
Did the other branches do the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine that Ortiz and Soto did?
Got into a 4 year college, want to be a naval aviator when I get out. Thing is, my school only has an army ROTC program. What do? And will my major/grades affect my chances of being a pilot?
Took my pulmonary function test. Diagnosed with asthma, increased diffusion.
What do now guys? I was genuinely looking forward to enlisting in the army. I like guns and I like knowing I'm doing something good in life.
Should I become a cop or quit kidding myself that it's a viable alternative?
>Work minimum wage job.
>No friends, socially awkward.
>Be failing shitty gen-ed college.
>Grown up who still doesn't know what he wants to be when he grows up.
>Video games and hot pockets every night.
>Need to get my shit together.
Shit, this is me right now.
meeting with recruiter Wednesday to schedule ASVAB and DLAB, super stoked
>bonus: recruiter was 35series, which is what i want, so she probably won't try to shove some bs MOS down my throat
Alright, I need a no-bullshit answer when it comes to Moral waivers.
I'm currently applying for the WOFT Army program. Hoping to fly Apaches or Blackhawks.
I have a few minor run-ins with the cops as a kid. The most recent one was 6 years ago. Stupid stuff, a disordely conduct in 2001 (15 year old prank), open container and disorderly conduct in 2009 (I was taking a leak in a bar parking lot, didn't think there was anyone around) and finally a public intoxication (walking home drunk, struck a conversation up with the cops to be friendly. They weren't friendly).
Anyway, I told my recruiter about these and he goes "We ran a fingerprint background check with the FBI on you, and none of that came up. I wouldn't mention it, it sounds like they just weren't important enough to report. I wouldn't bring it up, it's not in your background check."
So... is that the right move? There's so much conflicing information, with people saying to keep your mouth shut and others saying you'll wind up in Ft Leavenworth for life.
What's the real deal?
Keep your mouth shut.
Repeat after me:
>I never had any run-ins with the law.
>I never did any drugz
>I never had any major illness.
>I have never been in a hospital.
>I have never broken any bones.
>I never had health insurance.
Got it? Repeat it to yourself until you start to actually believe it a little bit.
Ricky, got some questions for ya.
How does getting into LRS work at 82nd? I see the usual selection courses and all that, but is there also orders for incoming personnel?
Staying opsexy, I've looked up a fair bit and it seems a lot of LRS Co have been disbanded and it looks as if there may only be one left that is under the umbrella of XVIII? So if a person is in any BCT, can they go to this selection course that you know of?
Preesh if you reply.
Also, how was your experience as LRS in the 82nd? LRS seems to always be put on PSD; but in garrison it seems to have great opportunities. I figure it would be even much moreso at the 82nd.
>peace time fmf corpsman
"Hey Doc, could you take a look at this?"
"Sure, Lance Corporal, let me just HOLY FUCK WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR DICK?"
"Hey Doc, could you glue this wound back together for me? I can't do it with one hand and I already glued the other hand to my balls."
And there's always:
"Hey Doc, a...uh...friend of mine got...something stuck."
"Just tell me what it is, Private."
"It's an umbrella handle."
"OK, let me sterilize my channellocks."
>wanted to join REME at 16
>parents say no, can't join without their permission
>Go to uni instead
>uni is shit, only good bit is TA
>Dropped out of uni
>Currently living on friends sofa
>Want to join
How should I deal with explaining why I dropped out of an engineering degree at a good uni?
I just fucking hated the theoretical stuff, I like working with my hands
>there was nothing on my FBI background check
Well then nothing of consequence happened.
If the cops never actually filled out an incident report, then you're fine.
If they filled out an incident report, a more in-depth search will reveal it and you may have to answer some questions, even if no charges were filed.
i went to AF recruiter and was honest, he said "you need a waiver, bruh". so when i meet with army recruiter i'm not going to say anything
>i spent 4 hours in jail for a misdemeanor, and THIS guy is good?
>Fucking moody leftists ruin everything for me.
This has nothing to do with leftists. At no point has being an asshole ever been acceptable behavior.
If you want to join an organization that hates all the things you do and thinks exactly like you do, you're not looking for the military, you want a cult.
You may not realize this, but the political breakdown in the military is almost identical to that of the US population on the whole: about 1/4 Republicans, 1/4 Democrats, and 1/2 don't care one way or the other.
I was thinking of trying to join the French Foreign Legion, but they will probably not accept me, I'm in good shape, but not amazing as I have heard you need to be. I speak English fluently, and French, Spanish and Russian almost semi-decently.
Are there any other countries that have something like the french foreign legion but are less selective? I dont even care if its a third world shithole
Sounds like you got a shitty Chad-unit, bro.
One of my former commanders literally told me he joined the Air Force after failing to go pro at Star Craft. Certain parts of the military are nerd as fuck.
Your grades absolutely affect your chances. Your major matters only in that if you have a STEM degree your GPA will be weighted slightly to account for a more difficult course load. If your school only has Army ROTC, you can do OCS after you graduate. I'm actually planning on trying to be a Naval Flight Officer, and my school doesn't have NROTC either, so that's what I'm planning on.
I guess maybe you don't know this but the sternum goes from the middle of your torso to like your collarbone. /fit/s right, that could be basically anywhere on your chest
Im scared to google this because i dont want the NSA to think I'm a terrorist.
Are the Kurds USA approved? If I don't die I wanna come back
is this a thing or are you memeing on me?
I messed up going into adulthood, and I want to better myself. The job market here in Kentucky sucks too.
I'm going into the Air Force, but now matter how small my contribution is, this is also a chance for me to give back to the country my ancestors built.
If you couldn't hack college tell them that you were on track to waste your life and if you couldn't finish college you're gonna do something meaningful, you're an adult now anyway.
The Kurds are USA approved but United States of America Approved- ie the US tends to support the Kurds but they're not an official ally. If you don't renounce your citizenship or something you should be able to return but you will probably get interrogated about what you did in the middle east and get put on a terrorism watchlist for the rest of your life.
>#1 ISIS enemy
>why would the United States not approve of them?
You cant be this stupid
I do know that, but using the word sternum in conversation refers to a specific point of the sternum, right around the heart, just as esophagus refers to the upper portion when used in conversation, not the base that connects to the stomach.
Its semantics, but I'm not wrong. A 'sternum rub' refers to a specific point where stimulation is very potent, and that point is where the barbell should fall, right at the bottom of the pectorals.
You don't have to tell them shit dude. If you don't want to lie or just ignore answering, say something along the lines of, "I didn't want to waste money and time on something I wasn't passionate about."
Alright so I just got back from talking to the Navy recruiters.
They popped a boner at my score of 80 on the practice asvab, apparently that's bretty gud around my parts.
They were mentioning Nuke.
I've heard bad things about Nuke.
But I've also heard nuke pays dosh.
Should I even consider it?
Your pay depends on your rank. I'm not Navy but I'm pretty sure you'll get what's called 'danger pay', 'seperation pay', and probably some sort of special skill pay flr being a nuke.
You'll be living on a sub for long periods of your time. But once you get out you'll have a six digit job with that job.
So do you want to do whatever for 3-6 years for a cush job for the rest of your life? Or are you looking for a unique experience and you'll do whatever afterward?
The only thing about Nuke that piqued my interest, was the STA-21 program my recruiter told me about.
Basically if you're a good student you have the chance of being offered a position in a program to get your commission and be a nuclear officer.
That is the ONLY thing that made it seem worth it to me, because I've heard Nuke is a pretty rough life for the small benefits you get.
You should consider every option. Never dismiss (or accept) something based on rumor, do your own research and figure out how it applies to you.
If you have the scores for nuke, they will push nuke. It's tough to fill so anyone who can take that slot will be pressured to do so.
You get some incentive pay, fast promotion, and hefty re-up bonuses. However, you more than make up for it in the hours and effort you put in.
There's a civilian market for it, but there's a civilian market for other job fields that don't require you to live the nuke life too. Basically if you otherwise had no interest in nuke, don't bother. The money isn't worth doing something you hate for several years.
I don't really have a preference. If it pays well, lets me see the world, and lets me take at least SOME time off to go pound foreign pussy while the carrier I'm working on is stationed somewhere, I figure why the fuck not?
Buuuuuut that being said, I've heard that nuke is one of those jobs that only idiots and people who get rused into signing up for it, sign up for.
I want to hear the cons of nuke from you guys. I'm sure my recruiter will have no problem telling me all the pros.
If you require a security clearance can they see your shitposts on here?
I've made some pretty vulgar shitposts over the last few years, nothing illegal, but definitely some things that I wouldnt want my recruiter to see
Fairly decent chance you don't actually graduate from school and become a nuke in the first place. That means you're getting sent off to some job you didn't pick, hopefully something that isn't shit.
Longer working hours. Longer initial contract (usually a downside). Less time not only for leisure but to work on yourself (physical fitness, education). Culture could be a con depending on what you enjoy (other nukes will tend towards the nerdy side). You will travel, but you get to spend less time seeing the sights than everyone else. You usually have to maintain a clearance and be drug tested or you're unemployable, even after you leave the military. It isn't the job field to pick if you want to get out and 420 erryday.
None of this matters if you're the kind of person who actually enjoys being a nuke. The problem is that people get pressured into it who aren't really interested in it. They join for the extra money and quickly realize it isn't worth it.
When you get to CBRN school you will realize that 90% of your peers were also told "You're basically a chemist" by their recruiter and shown a bunch of chemistry bullshit videos.
CBRN doesn't do any chemistry. Heck, they don't do anything at all unless WW3 starts. Your unit will love you though, since getting a new CBRN guy is basically getting a surplus "do all the details because they have no real job" soldier.
Asked my CBRN buddy the last time he did something CBRN-related since getting out of school.
He said he got to simulate "decontaminating" people during a field exercise once. Got to scrub them between the buttcheeks with a sponge on a stick. Sounds like the life. You have a lot to look forward to, anon.
So is there anyway to be sure that I qualify for top secret clearance?
The thing is that my father (who is a u.s. citizen and has served in the army for 20+ years and also worked in a DEA chem lab ) was born in a country that is VERY hostile to the U.S. and the recruiter said I wouldn't qualify but I don't trust my recruiters since they are not knowledgeable in anything. Also the fact that they half assed my application for asvab and marked me for a u.S. citizen by naturalization when in fact I am a u.S. citizen born abroad with consular birth certs and all
With that being said will the recruiters fuck up on the forms screw me over later?
No just maybe clear it up ion the "addtional info" section or whatever
theyve given clearances to hajjis from goatfuckistan dont stress so much. any govt connections or anything like that? business interests?
Thanks. And no I don't have any govt connections. In addition I renounced my other citizenship so I'm now fully American. Although my mother still retains dual citizenship.
my recruiter i'm meeting with Wednesday says i can schedule ASVAB in the morning and DLAB same night. anything else i should ask if i want to go 35series? should i ask for airborne option?
>anything else i should ask if i want to go 35series?
Uhh... nothing that your recruiter can tell you. 35 series is a broad field though, you gotta know what you want to do.
>should i ask for airborne option?
Up to you and what you want to be when you grow up. Me, personally? Nope.
i had a good idea what i wanted until the 35m vs 35f match the other night.
i guess i mean, what should i do to advance quicker and do well in my field. i assumed take the DLAB, but then what? they wouldn't send me to language school after AIT, correct? so i'd be doing that in my own time?
and i mentioned airborne because of the variety it might provide, am i wrong in thinking this?
As a new soldier, there's three secret tricks to advance quickly and do well.
1) Be in the right place
2) Be there at the right time
3) Be wearing the right uniform
That's it, that's everything that you have to do in order to succeed.
>airborne because of the variety
Noooooope, you've got that backwards. Airborne means you have no variety. If you go airborne, there's only one kind of unit that you will go to, and only four different bases that type of unit is on. Yeah, it's "high speed" and all that shit, but you severely limit your choices of cool shit to do and cool places to go by being airborne. The Army is in a million places around the world, and as junior enlisted, you can go to any of them.
Let me give you an example. One of my soldiers was reenlisting, and could use that to get any duty station of her choice. One of the bases that was available to her was Bucholz Army Airfield. Go ahead and look that shit up on google maps.
48G, I honestly have an erection right now.
who did she piss off?
yeah i get it about the airborne route. i assumed you'd get tapped on the shoulder for cool/special shit more often, or just be generally more useful if you're airborne qualified.
how does the language thing work that i asked about? i don't know any second languages, but i'm not opposed to learning more. is it more "do it at your own pace?" in which case, should i even bother with DLAB?
oh fuck, not him, but looking at a justice systems major in a small, but well respected state uni. Is it a meme degree? Would I totally be wasting my time? For reference, I aspire to work for an alphabet agency and have thus far maintained just above a 3.0.
It's nice to know that the three indicators of a good life they put on this advert, indicators that even a guy with down syndrome has, are all things that I don't have even a good prospect lined up for. How did I fuck up so horribly already that I don't even have a single one? Damn.
>yeah i get it about the airborne route. i assumed you'd get tapped on the shoulder for cool/special shit more often
No. Airborne school is so short/cheap/easy, that if you get picked for special/cool, it's the least of their worries in getting you trained for whatever cool shit you're about to go do.
>generally more useful if you're airborne qualified.
Useful? Ehhhhhh.... probably not. I'd bet a large sum of money that we'll never do a brigade sized or larger combat jump ever again.
You get some promotion points for it, and more if you're actually on jump status, but none of those matter until E-5.
>how does the language thing work that i asked about? i don't know any second languages, but i'm not opposed to learning more. is it more "do it at your own pace?" in which case, should i even bother with DLAB?
DLAB is basically only important if you want to be a linguist. They're having you take it to see if you qualify for 35P.
Yeah something to do with justice and service in Intelligence or MP's would probably increase chances of getting into the FBI.
Just be aware a lot of intel guys are also gunning for FBI jobs, so be prepared to work hard during and after you get out to better your chances.
What do If youve done Marijuana recreational but will need a clearance. Lie at meps and tell truth on sf86? Lie on both? Tell truth on both?
Honestly how hard is it to get a waiver? I highly doubt places like colorado, California and other states don't grant waivers for smoking weed a couple times
ah ok, thank you for clearing that up. that's 2 items i can remove from the list so i don't look like an asshole/waste anyone's time with.
as always, thanks for answering my questions bro
With airborne as 35 series you could end up in that cush life as support for an SF group.
You could still end up at Bragg, but you you could go anywhere where an SF group is as airborne 35 series.
so i'm currently thinking about getting into ROTC and if i do seek a commission i eventually want to be in the Ranger Regiment. I'm wondering if any of you guy's know what officer MOS' qualify for the 75th or is it strictly Infantry Officers.
Would Maritime Enforcement Specialist in the coast guard be considered operator or glorified water cops?
No idea if you're still in the thread, but I thought I'd ask: how fat were you when the recruiter said you were "2fat2enlist," and how much weight had you lost before you tried again?
Regiment is just like any other infantry unit: Mostly made up of infantry, but they still have staff like everyone else, which will include nearly every branch of officer.
An officer basing their career plan on being in regiment is a terrible idea. The chances that it will happen are nearly zero, because it's at least 80% luck. Can't tell you how many infantry captains I've seen ragequit the Army when they realized that they would never be in regiment.
Even if you include SF support, you've got much fewer choices than a non-airborne 35. Realistically, you're going to end up in garrison at Bragg and Richardson checking JPAS for a living while your buddies are chilling at an INSCOM unit, most of which are in fantastic locations.
Elaborate on what?
You're not eligible for E-5 for eternity anyway, regardless of enlisting as an E-4. I know it sounds like you'll be way ahead of your peers, but that's not really what happens.
I'm looking for some National Guard information.
From what I've been able to figure out there's no Special Forces National Guard unit in Georgia, but there is one in the nearby states of Alabama, Florida, and North Carolina.
How does a rep 63 contract work after all of the training has finished?
Do you have to live in the state your unit is in or just report there twice a month or whatever?
I can answer some questions about the Navy buds program. I made it to phase 2 and then an instructor who had it out for me pretty much drowned me in the pool. If they don't like your vibe they will give you an impossible obstacle.
I was rerated to IT. Going into the special operations IT program in the coming year. Job entails setting up comms/other equipment and apparently some actual interesting work with seal teams. That's as close as I'll ever be to an operator.
I got my bachelor's and finished with a 2.94 overall gpa (my degree was in economics). Am I completely fucked in all my ocs/ots prospects? I've talked to a National Guard recruiter and he basically said I've got a pretty decent chance there but I'd rather enlist full time.
I'm interested in being a pilot on the air force.
My local school has an AFROTC program and from what I've read AFROTC gets 500 pilot slots each year.
This seems INCREDIBLY competitive.
What are things I can do to maximize my chances of getting a pilot slot?
And what happens if I don't get a pilot slot?
>So you're saying there's a chance
Not to burst your bubble, but I have never personally heard of anyone with a sub-3.0 get accepted into OCS, but then, competition varies with the times.
You'd be better off enlisting.
>tfw no Krautfag to ask about FWD (Voluntary Military Service)
I mean, it can, but so long as you aren't around some assclenched officers/NCO's, the military is full of some of the most vulgar and offensive shit talkers this side of Australia
You won't see the world as a nuke unless you're on a fast attack and you will see a lot less in port than your buddies that don't have to be first on and last off. There are better ways than being a nuke to see the world.
I'm a chem major so I thought about it too but then I remember that the only time CBRN do their job is when shit is extremely fucked
yep, but you won't
If you want to be an officer in a coolguy area you better have a 4.0 and be scoring well into the extended scale for PT
They see some of the most action of anyone because there are always smugglers n shit and there's not a whole lot of coast guard personnel.
You can probably get into OCS/OTS but you will have little-no choice in what you do with below a 3.0
Fun jobs that will let me station around the world as well as give me mental prep to drop an SFAS packet a few years down the line? College degree, 95 AFQT no line scores yet, interested in medicine, human intelligence, and flight.
USAF 1N131 (Geospatial Intel) here. Currently in the airport about to head to basic. Any last minute advice? Pic related, figured I'd take my last chance for a few weeks.
>implying I'm American
Fuckin idiots what about UK?
>>28692897 is right
The fact that a coolguy SOF is getting a high reup bonus is telling of SOF reup bonuses, not of the Air Force. You're not going to get a $100k reup bonus as a maintainer. AF is a quality branch though.
hahaha....when I got my clearance in 1982 (oldfag) they actually brought up that I had received mail (SWL QSL cards) from soviet Russia in the 70s - I was a shortwave and amateur radio hobbyist - and they brought it up in an interview. Lol......I did manage to get my clearance and was Electronic Warfare for the good old Navy.....but if they had me for postcards from Russia in the 70s, they will damn well be able to dig up your Facebook and 4chin shitposts....
>Any last minute advice?
When your TI asks for volunteers on dorm details, try to get latrine crew, laundry crew, or shoe aligner, those are the the best things you can do if you suck at making your bed every morning.
You're probably going to Disneyland so you have nothing to worry about. You'll find out what that is when you get there. And learn to hate the number "341".
I know these threads are full of Rangers but I've just recently looked into the cool shit the Airforce does.
So quick questions:
1. Is it like the Army where you can secure a contract before MEPS?
2. Is TACP something you can just enlist as?
>1. Is it like the Army where you can secure a contract before MEPS?
Yes, more or less, not as much as the Army but a lot more than the Marine Corps.
>2. Is TACP something you can just enlist as?
Article a few months ago said TACP was in very high demand.
How does one go from civ to TACP?
Keep in mind a lot has changed for these guys in the last couple years.
I don't want outdated info.
TACP has changed. You can go straight in if you want. Tell your recruiter that's what you want to do. If your ASVAB and fitness are up to snuff, you can do it.
>>28694783 is probably thinking of when it only took Airmen with at least a year of experience and a bunch of pre-existing skills.
Also have a clearance. Believe me, passing a full-scope polygraph is a lot easier if you're just up-front about everything. Enjoy hitting a roadblock when you can't live the lie any longer.
MILPER 16-009 is the current Army reenlistment bonus MILPER, it takes effect literally tomorrow (the 27th).
The largest reenlistment bonuses available are "tier 10" bonuses, which max out at $72,000 if a *qualifying* E6 or E7 signs up for 5 more years.
So who currently qualifies for a tier 10 bonus? PSYOPS, Civil Affairs, and Green Beret NCOs who score a 3/3 on their DLPT in a difficult language. You're a cool guy without a really good language score? That's a 6/7. You're a cool guy with a great score but your language is French or Japanese? That's an 8. Keep in mind that most full-time linguists struggle to maintain that level of language proficiency, and that's literally all they do.
Only non-coolguy MOS on the entire list that qualifies for anything above a tier 7 is 17C who is assigned to one of the Cyber Units and has a specific skill identifier. Those guys are tier 9 across the board.
For comparison, 11Bs (infantry) who are assigned to 75th Ranger Regiment pull a tier 6 bonus, (between $5000 for a PFC doing a short re-up to $22,000~ for a SSG signing on for another 5 years). Miscellaneous other MOSs in 75th get a 4-6 tier bonus, but not at all skill levels.
Granted, there are other re-up incentives aside from just the main bonus, depending on where you are.
In short: Nobody is getting six figures. A few oper8trs are getting decent money, followed by cyber wizards. Most people can expect a re-up bonus in the <$10,000 range though, depending on rank and how long they sign for.
Nice. The standard Couch-to-5k regimen is a great program for fatbodies trying to get in shape.
If you're a young man, losing weight and gaining muscle is a piece of cake too. Your bodies are practically designed for it.
But is it good to do for a non-fat body to do if they aren't quite in shape, but lived the lifestyle of being in front of computer through high school with minimal exercise? I'm more of a skinny fat that can run a 1.5 mile in 12:30 without having any real serious running schedule, so I feel like just going out and running would be a more useful investment of time rather than doing the C25K. So I was looking for advice whether the program would be as helpful to me as it could be to a fat-body as you said
Couch-to-5k is really intended for fatties. The bulk of the program isn't so much developing any kind of speed, but rather, preparing their joints to deal with the pounding of running.
Skinny people are just slow, but if you weigh 250 pounds or so, imagine the incredible weight being focused on the ankle, knee, hip, etc with every plodding step.
For speed-running training for skinny people, I would recommend fartlek (which is Swedish for 'speed play'.) It's interval training. You mix up walking, jogging, and running.
Count off by telephone poles or driveways, etc on your running route. Something like "Run hard for two telephone poles, walk for three, jog for three, walk for two" etc.
Mix that up with increasing distances. Three, five, ten miles.
Don't just stop at three because that's all the Marines make you run in your final fitness test. If you can run ten miles, three miles is a breeze.
And, of course, don't forget your core, upper and lower body strength workouts.
Yeah I can see how just diving into jogging could seriously mess up your joints as a person who weighs a good but more than average.
Thanks for the great advice anon, I'll definitely look into that, it sounds like a great way to get my time lower.
So if I just increase the distance and pace appropriately it will also help to improve my distance? Also any recommended core workouts? I try to do planks, and weighted squats with occasional sit ups just to see where I stand on the PFT
Yeah, I'm suprised I got into it so quickly, I lost 10 pounds and took two and a half minutes off my 1 mile and I'm not even done with C2-5K yet.
>Couch-to-5k is really intended for fatties
Shit works too, I'm 290lbs and I'm at a 13:07 1.5 mile, can't wait to get my time down more.
>Also any recommended core workouts? I try to do planks
Planks are great. Side planks, inclined/declined planks. They're all great. I do them during commercial breaks when I'm watching TV.
For a real great core workout, this one is a killer:
Go to Home Depot and buy one of those five gallon buckets. Fill it with water, start with a gallon and then add more as you get stronger.
Then hold it away from your chest and start swirling the water, faster and faster. Mix up clockwise and counter-clockwise. Swirl the water as fast as you can, but try to hold the bucket steady.
After a few minutes your arms, shoulders and core will be burning from keeping that heavy, moving bucket steady.
So I should just get a waiver for pot? What about getting paid under the table? That means I have to put on my SF86 that I failed to properly file taxes as well. Will that be a big deal? Will they make me file for amends or something?
The 3/3 is a language score on the DLPT (DOD language test). 3/3 means you're about as good as a non native linguist is going to get.
6/7/8 were in reference to bonus tiers. Bonus tiers range from 1 to 10. Higher means more money.
I grew up in a pretty sheltered, pretty wealthy environment. The first time I heard the all-too-common-in-the-military phrase "My wife's kid" it literally stopped my in my tracks.
>My wife's kid?
>Wouldn't that be his kid?
>Is that like when Ma was pissed at me and told him "Make your son rake the leaves?"
College and a career.
Seriously. There are lots of reasons to go into the military. Money is not fucking one of them.
No, If you get even a median starting salary in a STEM field, you're making more than a colonel and unless you're a retard with money, you'll be able to retire in 20 years off that.
Or should I try and get him to get me on a w2 or something. Im basically an extremely well paid laborer, cause I'm white and charming.
Lucrative has many meanings, something with 6 figure potential in the civilian sector after? Jobs with a TS clearance. Something in the trades? Find a similar job in the military. Want to deploy? 18x or option 40. Want to rake leaves and bitch? 11x
Not joining the military for money, just want to know some good options for getting some extra cash if I can.
As in, what could net me some extra cash over all. Though, what could net me TS clearance?
I'm strongly considering joining the military because I'd like to one day become either a Viktor Bout tier gunrunner, or work in the DoD in some capacity. My GPA in college was relatively shitty which means my odds of becoming an officer go somewhat down the drain, are enlisted men afforded the same kind of respect that's given to officers? I'm somewhat worried going the enlisted route (assuming I don't join special forces) will fuck up my chances of working at in a higher position at the Pentagon.
>Looking at your GPA
You dumb ass, did you even talk to a recruiter?
Unless you practically failed college, you'll [spoiler]Probably [/spoiler] be fine in American OCS.
Ask a recruiter.
>and have thus far maintained just above a 3.0.
Normally I would say GPA is irrelevant, but federal employers still look at GPA while comparing applicants.
I have prior experience in military intelligence and I have a 3.9.
So in short: work on your fuggin grades fagget.
You can live on the other side of the country for all the National Guard cares as long as you fulfill your drill obligations.
As a Green Beret in the Natty Guard you will very likely be voluntold to go to a lot of more annual drill and trainings than a normal natty guard soldier. It would be unwise not to live within 2-3 hours of the base to be honest. You'll be deployed more often, training more often, etc.
This is of course assuming you make it and don't become an 11b in the Guard, in which case you'd only have to deal with your once a month obligations.
Lol seriously, that nigga thinks STEM guys make 72k+ starting plus housing and bennies yeah fuckin right
Most can't even find a lab position for 15/hr
>mfw when Pure Math degree, 300k starting
Same question, in Alaska, want to Rep63.
I'll move to the location my unit is based out of after joining but I have resistance here and want to join from a local recruiting station.
Would I enlist for a local NG unit under Rep63 then go elsewhere after passing the pipeline?
I'm an engineering student looking at piloting for the air force. I'll give my assessment so far.
>engineering jobs starting with people I know DO make 72k starting, I know people who have gotten these jobs straight out of college
>average salary for all college grads is $35k
>air force base pay bumps up past 40k within the first with $10k+ in tax free special pay scaling up along with base pay
After tax it's less than ~15k difference, and both kick the shit out of what the average college grad is doing.
Petroleum engineering is still king. The aerospace, then a few others. Surprisingly after that are a few business and financial disciplines, then international relations.
Basically be good at math and learn to apply science. And if you can't then learn a dry corporate subject. And if that seems boring learn other languages and about geopolitics.
>Petroleum engineering is still king.
And yet, I'd pick any of the big three other petrol
>tfw when I chose biochemistry
Coulda done biomedical engineering but it wasn't my cup of tea.
My college lets me do 3/2: 3 years for biochem or another discipline of my choice,2 for an engineering degree of my choice from an Ivy League. There is some kickass shit out there.
Enlisted as a 68W Healthcare Specialist for Army. A few questions for the medics:
1. Any good career paths that could open up to me once I finish my contract? I know I'm qualified to be a paramedic, but that's a last resort as I hear both the hours and pay are shit. I'm asking for any suggestions I may not know about.
2. What's the chance I could be deployed with infantry? This is preferable to me. Also, I will partake in Airborne school after AIT, does that increase my chances of being in infantry?
3. How's life as a healthcare specialist?