Okay guys serious question. In not trolling. If the government came for your guns. They knew you have them and they will take the guns or take the guns and you. Will you actually give it to them or some sort of last stand?
Any government coming for my guns has violated its own supreme law of the land, and is the enemy of America. I won't hesitate to fight back against any hostile government on American soil.
Uh oh, "someone" did something bad or was deemed by their local courts to be crazy and is now getting the power level downsized.
Do yourself a favor and surrender peacefully. Don't ruin it for the rest of us gun enthusiasts.
If they pay attention at all they know that submitting isn't going to be better. In this scenario we have progressed so far as to be actively picking up the guns that means we're at the point where anyone who isn't getting in line and is still clinging to their guns is going to be deemed a threat and put in a emergency center
Enrolled in a work program
Google: Civilian Inmate Labour Program
Having to ask your nearest 31E to take a piss.
>I am a giant faggot and I don't know how to greentext: the post
you know there are plenty of active and retired military /k/ommandos who would put up a fight. Plus, if there is any weapons board where the members are actually willing to fight its /k/. With the highest number of lunatics, ant lovers, actual faggots, spergs, and basement gunsmiths of any board id be willing to bet most people on here who say they would fight will, even if their resistance consists of throwing dragon dildos at cops.
>If the government came for your guns.
They may come to my place, but my guns wouldn't be there and neither would I. A government engaged in mass gun confiscation has unequivocally violated the right to bear arms, and can no longer be considered a legitimate American government. Revolution, not supplication, is the only way to deal with such a govenrment.
You don't fight the tip of the spear, especially in your own home, that's where they're strongest and you're weakest.
You strike the soft hands holding the spear at a time and place where you can hurt them and then disappear to strike again.
>shoot the first SWAT guy in the door
>get lit the fuck up by 7 of his
Wow such effective very resist.
Or you can not die pointlessly, give them the guns you keep in the house, dig up your emergency SKS (or any other stashed guns that you should have prepared), and start the insurgency. Plus you can always get your guns back when you storm the warehouse where they store them.
This. Get gunned down pointlessly and injure one of the other side if you're lucky, OR... give up your guns and make some molotovs that evening to go pay a visit to those same brownshirts' homes that night.
>not advocating doing this
>but seriously it's like you've never read sun tzu
>read sun tzu you dumbass
*7 of his friends, fuck
Attacking the enemy's armed goons is a terribly inefficient use of your time and energy, because you might kill a couple, but they have thousands more to throw at you. You're fighting in a situation where they have every advantage, which is painfully stupid and a great way to throw your life away for nothing.
you'd be dealing with federals living some states over because they would expect you to know the address of local cops.
if you want to stop a stupid oppressive policy like that in it's tracks, raise hell. induce riots, attack infrastructure, make society fip it's shit so they can never focus their efforts on you. Cut off internet, cut off power, cut off food, cut off water.
- First of all there would be lots of time from bill to "go get em"
- Then nobody in the government knows what I have (those poor souls in commfornia & jew york)
- And if they actually rang my door after they fought through the rest of my armed-to-the-teeth AR hillbilly town (whose population would be more than likely to give them a real last stand) I'd give them one of my old waterfowl 870s, a Glock 19 and call it a day (the other 24 guns would be hidden under the basement.)
So I learned that a last stand is cool but you're dead afterwards and cant find back. Its better to give up a little bit and safe the big rest, your guns, your freedom and especially your life so you survive to fight another day.
You guys get it.
Surrender something you dont need anymore and use the long time before they knock at your door to hide your real arsenal and THEN you can start an insurgency.
Actually it's very effective in a larger scale.
You've got millions of gun owners and only a few thousand agents of the state. If only one in every hundred owners goes out in a blaze of glory, the state force crumbles under the weight of casualties.
Slowing them down and giving them consequences to deal with, plus the bad press and political chaos to ensue, unseats whatever political party thought this was a good idea.
The remaining parties would take note of how the failing parties bold move played out for them.
So a Waco type incident is one sided and very bad for those involved. But for the aftershocks don't end after the gunfire stops.
Which government? Local, State, or Federal?
If it was local or state I'd try challenging in court, if it was Federal, I'd challenge it in court. If I failed both of those, I'd just leave the country because it's pointless to live in the United States if you can't own guns.
Do you buy anything gun related online? How about with a credit card? Do you browse /k/ or any other gun related site?
They know you have guns. They might not know what kind, but they know. The only way to be completely off the grid is to do nothing online related to guns (even posting on /k/), only use cash when buying guns, and only buy guns from people on the streets. Even then, good luck contacting somebody through Armslist while remaining truly anonymous. Armslist still needs to send the initial message which comes from an IP.
It may have positive externalities, certainly. But the question at hand is whether you would go out in a hail of gunfire and take one for the team. I doubt too many would when it comes down to it, which makes it an unlikely strategy to rely on.
>They might not know what kind, but they know
This isn't the end of the world. So long as you have >1 gun, you can sacrifice one and plausibly deny ownership of any others.
roah roah fight the powah
NSA plz git and stay git.
We're all going to die someday.
In 50 years no one will even remember your name once you're dead, probably even sooner in my case.
If our government reaches the point where they would enact a gun confiscation... I would fight it. No, I don't have fancy weapons or any real training. Yes, I would probably die quickly. But I will NOT die sitting on my ass after letting my rights get trampled on like grass. I would pick up the meager arms I have and defend myself against those wishing to take away my lawful property.
>We're all going to die someday.
This is the first period in human history where this certainty is not so certain. It is entirely possible that we may see positive feedback loops of anti-senescence treatments happening within the next 20-50 years. It would be the biggest kick in the balls to be one of the last poor suckers on Earth who had to die.
Regardless, don't be so eager to throw your life away, anon. Even if you're going to die someday, know that you can fight gun confiscation more effectively on your own terms than on your doorstep with the police. A smart man picks his battles so that he can win the war.
I was reading a report where the FBI investigates people who use VPNs and Tor as one of their methods for finding child pornography rings. Their mentality is, "Well, they must be hiding something!" I find it hard to believe the ATF wouldn't employ the same tactics if confiscation became a thing or that the NSA isn't already doing that.
Still, like >>28667228 said, you can sacrifice some shitty guns and keep others. That's what I would do if push came to shove. I'm in too deep with firearms to completely deny ownership, so if I hand over a couple shitty guns that will sate their appetite.
I shouldnt read posts like this while listening to the London live version of Springsteen's "Youngstown", Makes me hate the government even more. Godspeed. People like you are the reason this country was founded in the first place!
I intend to pick those battles non-violently before they can even enact a confiscation, thus the "If our government ever reaches the point...". I don't want to have to kill anyone. However, if it to protect my life, another innocent individuals life, or our rights then I will do whatever is necessary to do so.
And I never want to live to the point where one can live forever...
And yet if I were to say that same remark in public I would be smeared as a lunatic and a danger. I just want to live my life and be happy. Don't want to hurt anyone, don't want to be a hindrance to anyone... I just want to stay alone and be happy. But our government has decided that that's not what is best for us all...
>MFW only 18 and I've still got a good 50 years to live in this toilet bowl of a society; and the water is only flushing down...
If there are any left. You understand what happens when people live forever and babies never die in infancy, right? Do you see what's happening right now in our world because of the advancements in medical technology?
>TFW hating medical advancements and being an EMT at the same time.
I'm an abstract kind of retard.
A strategy to count on? It already happens.
The fact that swat exists is a testament to the number of people who didn't go quietly along with whichever law was being enforced.
If they plan to enforce a law that many violently disagree with, swat won't be nearly enough. Not if they want to have the 2nd amendment era quietly pass into the history books before the next election.
I doubt it would take many incidents.
>If there are any left.
A society cured of senescence would look quite a bit different from our one. I agree, it would be silly to keep doing what we're doing while also having no more (natural) deaths. But that's why things would have to change substantially in order to accomodate it.
The issue also gets more complicated since our resource pool and exploitation rate is not fixed. Developments in space travel (already happening), indoor farming (already happening), more efficient application and allocation of materials and resources (already happening), and a myriad of other related concepts allow for a continuously higher population cap.
>"Obese man breaks ankle jumping through ground floor window, wounds himselfs, kills cop"
>"Mr Anonski was put under arrest today at nine for refusing to surrender illegal guns and threatening members of the police force. When officers came for Mr Anonski's guns, he tried to flush one handgun down the toilet of his apartment. Neighbors report hearing him shout "you'll never get muh guns alive you freedoms hating turrists! and then the sounds of heavy steps and ragged breathing and wheezing."
He then jumped through his unopened window and landed on officer John F. Smith, crushing him to death. Mr Anonski accidentaly shot himself in the foot upon landing. He is actually being treated in hospital. "
sell 1 to panic buyer
buy as many of the cheapest skankiest saturday night specials as i can
make them carry them out of my attic with a wobbly ladder and crawlspace that i put snakes in
Hey, at least you've been able to do something interesting with your life. I've still got a year to go before I can even enlist. (Not out of high school). It's gonna be the longest, shittiest year of my life.
The counter to this is the inevitable rise of automation in the economy. It's already started, and it will only accelerate. The whole purpose of money is to spend it on goods, and the more automated an economy gets, the more affordable and readily-available goods are (while resources are available, of course). In a post-scarcity economy, the availability of goods to an average pleb is far greater than that of the wealthiest man today, so it's in everyone's rational best interest (rich or poor) to strive for that end as quickly as possible. The only people who wouldn't go for this are those who like being rich not because it allows them to have the nice things they want, but because it makes them feel better than those without. Cunty people like this will never be satisfied, but luckily there aren't too many to hinder progress.
Ridiculous sci-fi concepts that people would laugh at decades ago are now being taken seriously. We're in for some interesting times, no doubt about it.
forthermore, fuck all of you ITT. I guess everyone wants to be the victim, but most of you are americans and your government is more or less bribed by the fucking NRA. Stop with your fucking power fantasies of sticking it to the man, you're just playing their game. You're a bunch of old-in-the-head retards who want to be the underdog fighting against the power, you're stuck in the mindset that there is only for and against to choose from.
Every interest in politics is "bribed" by lobbyists, for better or worse, it's the US system. The NRA isn't prefect but at least they're fighting the good fight, against other interests with money looking to disarm the civilian population.
They already are, kinda-sorta. Pic related.
At any event, even if the FBI is still playing by its own rules and not recording every NICS check, the metadata from every commercial transaction is still logged by the NSA. The only guns you have that they don't know about are the one you made yourself out of a parts kit you paid cash for, or bought in a discreet point to point purchase.
Honestly, I wouldn't yield. I *would* call the local sheriff and ask a deputy to come bear witness to what was happening, if I had time. Local law enforcement has a helluva lot of sway over these affairs, y'know.
Most non Americans rely on the libtard media for their information. They dunno shit about what goes on here or what makes our country tick, much less why so many of us are upset at what's happening to it.
>The only people who wouldn't go for this are those who like being rich not because it allows them to have the nice things they want, but because it makes them feel better than those without. Cunty people like this will never be satisfied, but luckily there aren't too many to hinder progress.
Someone has never heard of the Amish I see.
It is my life's work anon. I want to go out in an armored and heavily armed blaze of glory while "dont tread on me" by metallica blares out the windows of my home.
It is my dream.
You stupid nigger, do you know how many gun loving MEN are in the military? There would be a Coup or a civil war if faggot nigger liberals tried to take our guns, think before you speak nignog
>stop whining about society
Sorry that I don't like the ideals set forth by today's society, nor do I like the mindset of most individuals I meet. Guess I should just be a retard and do shit I don't enjoy for the rest of my one life. You can fuck right off, buddy. I will bitch and complain about society all I want to because guess what; It's my right to do so.
As for the second comment... I've already stated that I'd much rather not try and get into a shoot out with anyone, let alone government forces. I would prefer that battles be through statistics and facts, not bullets, nor the bullshit that is pushed by opponents to firearm ownership as of now. Yeah, I guess I am old in the head in the sense that I want to be left the fuck alone by our government. Again, you can fuck right off if you have an issue with that; it doesn't hurt anyone if I go out in the woods and die alone.
>Only for or against to choose from
Well depending on what you're talking about, yes; there IS only for or against to choose from. Obviously compromises can be made in some places, but I personally believe that there are no compromises for constitutional rights; you either have them, or you don't. That's why I never say that I want to shut groups like Westboro Baptist up; it's their right to scream whatever they want, no matter how much I don't like what they have to say.
And I do realize how whiny some of my comments were, but I'm not trying to claim to be a victim of anything. I'm just saying that I'm discontent.
They are not coming to take your guns. I wish they would but its not going to happen. There are way too many insane gun owners in the US.
Best hope is we get some effective gun laws in effect. To at least keep the crazies and ammosexuals from buying more guns.
No, I dont own any guns.
Me and my family are all law-abiding americans whom do not need any assault weapons.
Any guns that may be registered in my name were lost in an unfortunate boating accident somewhere in the middle of the atlantic ocean.
Since then, me and my family have consistently voted Democrat and continue to pay our taxes.
Niger jew detected?
>implying the Amish wouldn't keep up in their own way
Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you. When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns. Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls, yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS parking lot too...
It's not like you can buy an illegal gun or something.
Let me give you a scenario OP.
The US have a shitload of gun crazy militiamen that have shown time and time again they will go up against the government without firing the first shot. So I'd imagine in a full scale gun taking scenario, there will be stand-offs all across the US. We have ~100 million gun owners in the US. Let's take 1% of that number for who might actually stand up against the government. That's 1 million people. That's >a million people hiding their shit, nearly a million people hiding with citizens pretending everything is fine.
So let's say the government breaks in to 20% of these homes with these gun crazy fucknuts ready to go out in style. That's 200,000 firefights. Even if the success rate of taking out even 1 police officer, military personnel, etc. was only 50%, that's 100,000 police officers, military personnel, etc. losing a life. Losing a life against American citizens who know their homes, neighborhoods and towns better than any government employee wishes they could. Even if you bring up Katrina, that was a small incident. Imagine if the media started reporting on mass shootings with the police. Imagine if the media started showing how many people are willing to stand up all over the country and tell the government to fuck off. Imagine if the fucking internet was used to report all this shit.
Now tell me anon. If you were a fucking cop in a big city, and were told to go seize someone's gun after seeing 80 of your fellow police officers die trying to do the same thing. Exactly how willing would you be to put your life on the line for something you didn't fucking believe in?
Not to mention how many militias and police forces would be told to stand up against any military troops that tried shit like that in their city. Imagine, for example, if a mostly conservative city of only 300,000 had 5,000 militia members and police officers armed and ready to respond with force to any call reporting "stolen" firearms.
Do you know why you'd have 5,000 militia members and police officers? It's because they are willing to put on a big ass political show demonstrating just how determined they are to keep their guns.
It would take a couple states, a couple big cities even, to get their police forces to agree to stand up against tyranny. A couple cities to let volunteers stand armed and ready, technicals and all, against incoming troops. A couple cities to close off their roads and dictate traffic, telling the military to fuck off or get in a firefight with thousands of people. A couple of cities showing their cops being killed to cause mass riot across the entire United States.
No anon, I wouldn't need to stand up and fight. I wouldn't need to do anything but sit back and listen to the frequent gunfire of all the people not willing to give up what they love.
This scenario is stupid and gets thrown out there way too often.
The government wouldn't go about attempting to disarm the populace knowing this.
already the country is being turned against militias, gun owners, patriots etc. Its just a matter of time with the upcoming 8 years of Clinton/Sanders drives the knife even further.
Remember the the government has more time, patience, and money to plan and go about these things.
Just look at Colorado, California, Etc. These places weren't always raving anti-gun paradises.
>to get their police forces to agree to stand up against tyranny
Are you forgetting the Stanford and Milgram experiments? Most people will do as they're told. That's why tyranny is so dangerous, because it's so easy to slip into.
>Oh no I just shot some nubian protester in the leg! I better have my Cop buddy advise me through this situation so I dont get fucked in the ass x infinity
>Cop buddy calls the cops
Yea I wouldn't rely on a professional kissass to not kiss ass
First of all, i'd leave a gun or two that I don't mind losing out in the open and let them take it. The rest of my guns would be hidden in magnetic safes 'n' other shit. Hopefully this would be enough to fool them.
If that's NOT the case and they somehow magically know where ALL of my firearms are, i'd like to think that i'd fight for my rights but y'know, i'd probably pussy out and let them take them. Who knows?
What the fuck. The "tommy gun" is a denix replica, the uzi is obviously made of pot metal, so not real... The "PPK" is a fucking BB pistol, and half the others are god damn BB guns.
1) have a fake bill of sale for every gun you purchased from a shop that you have had in the past or still have
2) if they ask to search your house, tell them to come back with a warrant and make sure every encounter is videotaped
3) if they enter your house unlawfully you may- nay you must protect your property and your family with your firearms: that's why you got them in the first place.
well if they catch me off guard what the fuck do you want me to do besides get fucked? if i know theyre coming, ill be proned out in the woodline. they are actually going to give me a reason to shoot somebody. lol ok. theyd be retarded.
how the fuck did you know it was from reddit? If reddit is so bad, why are you there?
I don't understand faggots like you, you''re basically calling someone out on something you are literally doing yourself.
a lot of shitposters dont give a fuck anymore. we had 9 dudes show up to the atlanta federal reserve a few weeks ago. theyll collapse the economy before they ever attempt to round people up or confiscate weapons.
the police are braindead orderfollowers. the ONLY reason they are not for gun confiscation is because they know theyll get shot in the fucking face. they will enforce any other bullshit laws on the books. the police are not your friend. they had no qualms about disarming people during katrina and gearing up and searching peoples houses illegally in boston.
This will never happen because it would be a logistics nightmare.
Worst possible scenario: You receive a notice in the mail asking you to bring in your firearm or face a fine and legal action after a certain date. They'll be too busy/short staffed to show up
There will be programs where citizens can get cash back for dropping off firearms. It won't be a lot of money.
Bans on ammo and weapon sales.
It's not like the government is going to speed over to your house kick down the door and demand all your guns or there will be a drone strike on your house.
What lame liberal cartoonist made that?
And fuck yeah I'll hold out. I live in the country in WI. What am I supposed to fear?
I know what the local police and National Nasty Girls can do.
The moral dilemma is when I choose to shoot big city cucks in the head seeking refuge. Yes you're a human. Yes, I respect your right to life.
You didn't prepare, so I don't care.
Big city cucks will be murdered showing up for help.
In all seriousness "giving up guns" is a meme, or I'm the only fucking true /k/ommando on this board.
Come and take them.
What the fuck did you say to me, little bitch?
> heheheh, berrypicker.
Last stand. No doubt about it. I worked hard for what i have, and 2 of them have sentimental value for me. (60~ year old 16 gauge my grandfather bequeathed to me. The other is a Ruger Mark II pistol. First pistol i bought by myself. )
ITT, /k/ writes a primer on insurgency, including:
>Russian mixed drinks
>Piss poor boat handling
Thats why there isnt any Insurgency in Irak anymore, right?
Also noce "I AM SILLY" Comic
This, unless you're living in a commie state without registration they don't know you have guns. Not unless you're leaving a very clear paper trail about it that's easy to follow.
Only half of my guns were purchased through ffl's. The rest were cash sales from private parties. Many of the guns I purchased in the past have moved on to others in the same manner. There is no way to track them all, and that is why we must fight any form of registration.