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400,000?

Lets break those numbers down.
There are 31920 gun deaths a year in the USA (CDC, 2013)

There are 21,175 gun suicides a year in the USA (CDC, 2013

That leaves 10745 homicide, accidental, or defensive gun deaths in the USA.

Of those 10745, 8454 are homicides.

Of those 8454, 80% are gang related http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

Thats approx 6763 gang-related gun homicides.

That leaves the USA to have 1691 deaths from non-gang related homicides or accidental firearm use.

Factor in the 600 accidental gun deaths, thats 2291.

The US population sits around 321,000,000.

Your chances of dying this year from non-gang related homicide or accidental firearm use is 7.1x10^-6, or .00000716 percent.

The chances of you being struck by lightning this year is only half as likely from non-gang related homicide or accidental firearm use.


Le Black Science Man status: [BTFO] | NOT BTFO
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I think a lot of people forget that most gun deaths are suicides, and yet we don't really have a high suicide rate.
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Ask him how many of those deaths are from black-on-black violence.
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>>28663235


Lemme break down your breakdown...

You see, a major philosophy in American society, is the freedom to make your own decisions.

And forcing people to do something they don't want to do when it has no effect on you is a douche move.
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>>28663235
This guy lost all of my respect once I've heard him talk about ANYTHING other than space. It's absolutely idiotic. Why must all figures be idiots these days. I mean there are people like Stefan Molyneux which are pretty ok that base their things on broken down and analyzed facts.
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>>28663235
Holy Fuck, America must be a ghost town with those numbers.
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>>28663235
Goddamnit Tyson, I liked you.
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>Based black science man is a gun grabbing liberal

End it now
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>>28663235
Tweet him your info, m8. Oh, don't forget about deaths caused by police shootings, or are those not factored into the overall statistics?

At any rate, Neil lost a fan about space and space/time, and you should tweet your number break down to that fucking idiot.
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>>28663235
Why are you tweeting that here and not directly to that dumbass' twitter feed so millions can see how stupid he is?
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>uses fallacious argument to make a point
>scientist
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>>28663235
>people still think he's a scientist
He hasn't been relevant in real science for a long time.
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>>28663550
actually, when you think of it, 400,000 people is not really a large number when you look at the big scheme of things also spread that number across the country like 10 people per town and I doubt that would spread past L.A.
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>>28663691

Now, we take to twitter. No mercy gentlemen, We will show these men of ignorance, masked as men of knowledge, what understanding really is

for the /k/ube! Ave Nex Alea!
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>>28663704
Remember to blame Reddit or 9gag.
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>>28663713
ebaumsworld*
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>>28663546
He lost my respect when he hosted Cosmos, he was trying to copy Carl Sagan and failed. Still enjoyed the show but Cosmos without Carl Sagan is just not right.
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I thought scientists were supposed to use reason and not be biased? Aren't they also supposed to cite evidence? Or am I missing something that 6th graders learn?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 30 million Americans have died of every cause since 2000 right?

And that was with 282 million people alive during that year, and now there's 320 million Americans by 2015.
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>>28663235
>Of those 8454, 80% are gang related
Where do you get this 80% of homicides being gang-related figure?

>Your chances of dying this year from non-gang related homicide or accidental firearm use is 7.1x10^-6, or .00000716 percent.
Wouldn't your chances of dying from accidental firearm use increase if you actually owned guns, versus a household without guns? A commonly cited number of firearm users in the US is ~33%, so you should include gun ownership as a risk factor for increased accidental firearm death.

Also don't gang-related gunshots strike and kill innocent bystanders? You have to account for that as well.

Meanwhile 7.2 million in the US have died from tobacco since 2001. Are we going to ban that evil shit already? Why do you NEED tobacco?

Because this is a goddamn free country and people can do whatever the fuck they like.
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>>28663235
>Thats approx 6763 gang-related gun homicides.

In other words, a little over 100,000 Americans have been killed by black people since 2001?
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>>28663534
what?
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>>28663753
>Where
The FBI UCR.

>>28663753
>Wouldn't your chances of dying from accidental firearm use increase if you actually owned guns, versus a household without guns? A commonly cited number of firearm users in the US is ~33%, so you should include gun ownership as a risk factor for increased accidental firearm death.
Accidental death from tools is no different from accidental death from pools or accidental death from cars. They can be prevented or lowered with education. And it's still very small, the chances of dying from a gun by accident. You have a greater chance of being struck by lightning that killing yourself by accident with a gun.

Gallup surveys last year, the same polls that use the 33% number have been 41 to 45% of American households since 2008. 33% is fucking old news.

50 to 53% of Americans no longer support an AWB for example. There is a paradigm shift occurring.
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>>28663729
This is the same guy that thinks nations shouldn't have borders
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>>28663934
Yes. Also been blaming his academic fails on race since day fucking one.
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>>28663753
>Wouldn't your chances of dying from accidental firearm use increase if you actually owned guns, versus a household without guns? A commonly cited number of firearm users in the US is ~33%, so you should include gun ownership as a risk factor for increased accidental firearm death.

And if we had more publicly funded lessons/courses within highschool/university going over firearms safety and handling, we could cut those numbers significantly.

Of course, human error will ALWAYS exist, arguing to ban somehting because somebody might fuck up with it and kill themselves or somebody else is stupid. Somebody could fuck up putting gas in their car and blow up a gas station. It happens a lot, yet we haven't banned gas stations. Because we need them.

Just like we need guns in this current social and economical climate.
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>>28663235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpI49SuDTo

this is how you stop crime if your country is not a gun infested shit hole.
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>>28663720
funnyjunk?
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>>28664105
>gun infested
I think you mean gun enriched
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>>28664105
Get lucky and nick their keys and run away like a little bitch calling the cops?

Get fucked cunt. I'm aussie as they fucking come and I know that that shit is pure luck that happened with them. Stupid fuck with one plugger could have gotten plugged with a fucking knife.
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>>28664122
>>28664114
stay mad fatties
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>>28664134
I'm australian and 103kg 6'1 mate. Yeah I'm a tad overweight, but at least I don't deny reality.

There's your (you) you baiting faggot.
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>>28664105
Govt took your gun rights away. Wonder What they'll take next?
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>>28663235
Where are you getting your numbers for 80% of firearm homicides are gang related? I checked your link and cannot find anything saying that, but maybe I missed it.
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>>28664195
Our right to a fair trial, apparently.

Feminists pushing for "affirmative consent" laws, or as you lot know them, Yes means Yes law. Where you have to prove your innocence, rather than the state proving your guilt.
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>>28663235
I remember he gave some talk where he said taking a substance or pharmaceutical medication wasn't unnatural because it's all a part of the universe or something along those lines.

I would like to see this same logic applied to drinking a quart of gasoline.

Perhaps I am horribly recalling it, but why would we ban guns if it's all apart of how we're using shit in the universe?
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>>28663807

Now what we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is a failure to communicate. I require a more well formulated question.

All he said is "what"... what's that? I'll tell you. A horrible response. There's a flaw with using text to communicate, and that is the complete lack of inflection or implication in the sound of the words which gives the listener more data to process so he or she can use that extra information to more likely extrapolate an appropriate answer.

Next query, please.
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>>28663691
>capping this shit and repeating it without checking the numbers yourself
hey guess what, you're just as bad as NDT
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>>28665105
>implying I haven't looked into it
>implying it isn't correct

Prove it isn't :^)
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>>28663235
>Did You Know?
>A total of 32,885 people lost their lives in motor vehicle crashes in 2010. Another 2.24 million people were injured.
Of course, guns need to be banned though.
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>>28665137
>proof
if you looked into it you wouldn't be re-posting it
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>>28663546
>Stefan Molyneux
>"pretty ok"
Hahaha. Oh my god.
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>>28663235
Could you provide a source link to your info? I can't find it on the cdc website
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>>28663235
Just because you are smart in one field doesn't make you a expert on everything.
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>>28663546
He really is like a real life *tips fedora* meme atheist too.

Lost respect for him, but not surprised.
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>>28663360
If Japan had guns. They'd all be dead in a week.
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>>28663235
>Breaking down an old tweet that's already been broken down
>Implying BTFO when his numbers technically aren't wrong

Freshman as fuck. Everyone knew this was BS months ago, welcome to 2016.
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>>28665137
Burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
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>>28665280
Just like how there'd be shootings and bodies on every street corner if people were allowed to carry guns in public?
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>>28665513
No numbfuck. Japanese suivide rate makes vets and trannies blush. Just saying if they had real access to guns (or swords) GRORIOUS NIPPON would look like a ghosttown in surprisingly little time. It's just their reality.
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>>28665565
South Korea has a worse suicide rate.
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>>28663373
He used to be into the whole black power shit in his college years, he probably still is.

This question would really reck his rectum.
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>>28665622
So if he was into black power than someone should point out that black panther protest against Reagan which caused gun control in California.

And this speaks to another thing. Liberals are all about gun control when their guy is in power but as soon as someone like Bush is in power suddenly they want open warfare in the streets and go silent about wanting gun control.
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>>28665142
Oh hey, wadyaknow, in that same timeframe (2003-2016) over 1.1 million americans are killed from alcohol related-causes, according to the CDC.

But it's GUNS that need to be banned.
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so has someone replied with OPs post to this guy or are we just posturing?
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>>28665565
I honestly doubt it. You'd see an increase in suicide rates, sure. But it'd probably go from 20 per 100k to something like 35-45 per 100k.

People wouldn't kill themselves en masse dumbshit. No bodies on every street corner. Otherwise they would have done it centuries ago when gun and sword laws were much laxer.
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>>28663235
>using 2013 numbers for something that has fluctuated significantly between 2001 and 2013

>Of those 8454, 80% are gang related http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
>go to source
>ctrl+f gang
>nothing found
Nice "source".
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>>28665951
>He didn't even look at the source
>xD ur source sux
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>>28663235
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

ban assault influenza. seriously, i dont get how someone so smart can say something so silly. why would you compare a 15 year period to a 4 year period, where 2-3 years where actual open warfare.
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>>28663550
7,000 people die a day here
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>>28663235
And you know what's even more astounding? It's estimated that there is over 3000 justified homicides (even exluding police shootings) in the US each year. Now the vast majority of these do not show up in FBI stats because something on the order of only 2% of US police departments actually voluntary report justified civilian shootings/homicides to the FBI database.

This means that for every non-gangland, "innocent" murder there are probably twice as many justified shooting deaths of criminals. Note that this does not cover incidents of criminals being wounded by citizens and surviving nor citizens scaring off criminals with the brandishing of firearms; these numbers are far, far higher (especially when you consider that the average hospital survival rate of gunshots wounds in the US is around 85%, and even at 4 or more gunshots the survival rate is still like 65%+).

I would post sources for this but I'm on mobile and I'm working off memory.
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>>28666425
Regardless of your intentions that still makes it an undocumented claim on an anonymous imageboard with little value. id like to see it confirmed true though
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>>28666493
I'm on a desktop computer now so I'm actually able to post some sources.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/02/how-many-justified-homicides-occur-each-year/
http://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/why-the-data-on-justifiable-homicide-just-wont-do-1725/

Basically, it is incredibly hard to find justifiable homicide data because reporting it to the FBI is entirely voluntary by the police departments and states themselves; less than of all the police departments in America report this information. Entire states, like New York, Florida or Illinois, don't even report the information correctly or at all, and in New York's case, doesn't even have a definition of Justifiable Homicide!

Additionally the FBI uses an entirely different, and frankly retarded standard, of what constitutes a justifiable homicide. For example, two men getting into a verbal argument that ends with one drawing and threatening a knife and the other drawing a CCW and shooting in self defense would be considered a typical homicide by the FBI despite the fact that the CCW man wouldn't even get pressed with charges in the majority of cases.

AND there is still the fact that over 33% of all homicides are still left unsolved, and in some areas like Detroit or Chicago it can reach 75%-80%; how many of these are criminals bleeding out from being shot in a home invasion or attempted robbery by someone who is, say, a ex-felon who brought an illegal gun to defend themselves or a poorfag who doesn't understand the law or doesn't want to deal with a potential jury trial in a blue-state?

Oh and I was slightly off on my gunshot survival rate; it varys from 66% (early 2000s Pennsylvania trauma center) to 86% (national 2010) survival rate. Surprisingly enough, gunshots to the heart are only lethal 25%-36% of the time.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11571950
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/news_releases/2014/01/band/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324712504578131360684277812
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>>28667062
He was just goating you to be a smartass or anon is a dumb anti gunner. Everyone knows the numbers support pro gun arguments always. That's why they run from cold hard facts.
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>>28663235
>NDT
>a plagiarist

pick both OP
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>>28663235
400k deaths for WW2 sounds too high. Probably includes non-combat deaths.
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>>28663235
>That leaves the USA to have 1691 deaths from non-gang related homicides or accidental firearm use.
>Factor in the 600 accidental gun deaths, thats 2291.
Did I mis-read or miss something? Why are you adding that 600?
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>>28663721
This.

The only reason people like him is because he's the SJW's wet dream; a "smart" black scientist thats a liberal.
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>>28663850
>The FBI UCR.
Still not finding those figures.
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>>28667557
Point is to get to the total number of Americans killed by guns that aren't associated with criminal elements.

Law abiding citizens.
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>black science man
>anything other than snarky, snide comments about retarded things so make himself seem smart
What was his new years tweet again?
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>>28663235
You are the Messiah
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>>28667580
Right, but the 1691 number already had accidental firearm deaths, he added the 600 of that to the number needlessly.
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>>28663934
>>28663952
>>28665622
Can I get sauce on these please?
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>>28663235
>Lets break those numbers down.

Automobile deaths since 2001: More than 400,000
Automobile Safety Legislation passed since 2001: Not remotely as much as gun legislation, if any

Number of Cars in the US: About 260 Million
Number of Guns in the US: About 310 Million

>Fewer cars cause more deaths
>Cars demonstrably more lethal than firearms
>No one cares

Keep texting and driving, phaggots.
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>>28663235
back in the day a nigger with a mouth this big would end up hanged high
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>>28663534
What exactly are we forcing people to do that they don't want to?
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>>28663235
>Science Black man is anti gun

Why... I really like him. WHY!?
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>>28667062
>>28667062
You're awesome anon. Thank you for posting that info and those sources.
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>>28663934
But what have borders given us?
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>>28667669
Cs in geography class?
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>>28663235
I just want to know one thing: when these meme-statistics are spouted, do these spouters actually believe that someone killing themselves at all is bad? Or is just death by suicide SO MUCH WORSE than awful hanging or slashing your wrists, making an exit bag can be conspicuous. I think if a person wants out, the clean and sureness of a gun is admirable.

I want these people to announce whether they believe a person does not have the right to kill themselves if they truly want to die, and then somehow justify their announcement with the spreading of that suicide-inflated gun statistic,
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>>28667669
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>>28667607
Oh. Excuse my lack of reading comprehension. Whoever did this was slightly high then.
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>>28663586

I cry errytiem

I fucking loved him on Cosmos. That soothing voice, the sexy science talk...
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>>28663235

>Only a bachelors degree

He has like 12 degrees.

Apparently guns and death don't factor into any of them.
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>>28667634
>>Fewer cars cause more deaths
>>Cars demonstrably more lethal than firearms

>Every time I bring this up

>BUT CARS ARE HEAVILY REGULATED ALREADY AND GUNS ARE NOT
>"Wow, tell me how regulating guns will save people then"
>PEOPLE ARE DYING WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

It's both frustrating and exhilarating to get people stuck in that fucking circle.
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>>28667802
>>28663235
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>>28667708

The people behind gun control believe they should be the only ones with power to make those choices for everyone else.

They don't care about cars or cigarettes because their agenda and lives are not threatened by an opponent with a car or smoking habit.

They care about other human life as long as they have control over it.
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>>28663235
Funny how such a professed man of facts leave out important things like demographics....
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>>28663235
sorry OP, your response doesn't change fact.

neil degrasse tyson is based as fuck
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>>28667881
He's a faggot like you.
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>>28667881
>>/reddit/
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>>28667943
>>28667945

I would love to hear you try to explain how neil degrasse tyson was wrong... top tip senpai, you can't
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>>28667062

You'd think that being shot in the heart would be more dangerous than that. Damned tough organ.

I have heard though that most of the time in gang related shootings they only load their guns with FMJ target loads because the rounds are cheaper and they don't know any better.
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>>28668011
>Damned tough organ.

>Literally nothing but muscle and sinew
>Protected by the sternum/ribcage

Better to fuck the lungs, I think. They're more fragile.
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>>28668035

True. I just figured that the heart would be the off switch.
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>>28667634
there are more guns than cars but there are far more cars in use on a daily basis than guns so your argument will only stand up to pro guns
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>>28667993

I mean 400,000 people died sure but his

>implication

is that we have a gun problem. OP broke down the numbers and unless youre a gangbanger or depressed guns arent a problem.

a fuckload more people die from alcohol/drug overdose and auto accidents but nobody addresses either because guns r scary.
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>>28668053
>400,000 people died
that's not an implication Anon
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>>28668048

yeah but there are guns in a few million civillians holsters day in, day out and 99.5% of the time they arent shooting anyone. also

>le gun is a machine designed to only to kill

so the machine that is designed only to kill still kills less than the machine designed to transport people
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>>28668074

>I mean 400,000 people died sure but his implication is that we have a gun problem.

>400,000 died

>implication is that we have a gun problem

>died
>sure

>implication
>gun problem

learn to fucking read
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>>28668011
>You'd think that being shot in the heart would be more dangerous than that

What I found the most surprising t b h was the fact that you have a 88.5% survival rate FROM BEING STABBED IN THE FUCKING HEART.

Modern medicine is fucking amazing. I cringe whenever I hear people disparage it as somehow "unnatural" or worse than taking herbs and toughing it out.
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you can say what you like about tyson but he is right. put it this way, I'm a huge racing fan and he believes the internal combustion engine is a problem too. I hate that he's right and I will continue to enjoy cars and guns despite him being right. you're being dishonest if you don't see the issues with your interests
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>>28668102

where the hell is the data saying you have an 88% chance of survival from heart stabbing
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>>28668113

backtoreddit.jpg

>gun deaths at all time low

>guns are a problem

>not an agenda at all
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>>28665832
Except they had a radically different culture even a century ago.
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>>28668113
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>>28665154

Not that guy, but when it comes to these debates, can we leave the fallacies and demeaning tones at the door?
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>>28668181
>>
itt

guntard denial

pray Hilary doesn't require an IQ test for firearm possession
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>>28668181

>why cant we have civil discussion about anything

>on 4chan
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>>28668209

>you're all retarded

how bout you make an effort to drum up conversation instead of making a retarded post yourself
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>>28668119
>Within a 12-year period ending in March 1984, 1109 patients with penetrating thoracic injuries were treated at King-Drew Medical Center located in south central Los Angeles.
>All patients with cardiac trauma underwent thoracotomy, and the mortality rate was 18.1%. Specifically, the mortality rate of gunshot wound of the heart 24.5% and that of stab wound of the heart, 11.5%.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2911188

Correction, even with 1970s-1980s medical technology in a fucking ghetto ass area with terrible social services you have a 88.5% of surviving a stab to the heart.
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>>28668316

Thats pretty extraordinary. I worked in a Detroit Trauma center, most people with thoracic trauma died. Detroit EMS is garbage though so might not be the hospitals fault.
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There were 166 mass shooting in the developed world in 2013, 133 of them were in the US.
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>>28668432
A. Sauce
B. I'd bet most anything 95% of those where gang related.
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>>28668391
Source?
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>>28668391
lol, God Bless Murica
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The mass shooting fatality rate in the US is 0.15 per 100,000, in Britain the rate is 0.02. From 2000 to 2014. In Australia, its a 0.01 fatality rate.
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>>28668493
http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/


Science: Visualizing gun deaths: Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world
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>>28668450
I don't have that data, why would it matter, they would still be dead even if they were in a gang?
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>>28667788
That shit was so dumbed down. I'm not surprised that a retard such as yourself liked it.
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Source: FBI.gov
Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
Murder Offenders by Age, Sex, and Race, 2011
White 4,729
Black 5,486
Other 256
Unknown 4077
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>>28668584
>Shitty bait is shitty
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>>28668561
>The rest of the world
>a handful of countries with one tenth the population and land mass of the US
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>>28668391
all I see is that more diversity=more death
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>>28668611
Population of countries is irrelevant, because data is based on per 100,000.
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>>28668611
>doesn't understand statistics
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>>28668600

dont forget that the vast majority of homicides are black on black crime

>>28668611

fucking this.

population of UK 64 mil

population of US 320 mil

>but muh rates per 100,000

its not as simple as that
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>>28668617
Your point being?

Or are you just pointing out that you are a bigot?
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>>28668657
>its not as simple as me
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>>28668391
This is a pretty pointless graph.
>Why did they only put 23 countries on the horizontal axis?
>Why did they arrange them in order of assault levels rather than in order of gun ownership levels?
>Why do they always make the US the biggest one, even though there are many countries with significantly larger crime rates?
>Why is there no source?

Here's a much better set of graphs.
Note how there's absolutely no correlation between guns and crime.
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>le black science man threads
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>>28668652
population density matters because more densely populated areas have higher crime regardless of gun laws.
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>>28668699

>guns are a problem because violence is a problem

>diversity is important

>id rather have a diverse population of people with no guns killing each other than a diverse population where people can defend themselves

john oliver pls go
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>>28668656
>Pot calling the kettle a nigger
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>>28668657
I don't see the point you are trying to make, what difference does it make if some of the people dying are black? Please explain.
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>>28665280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xP5EFThh0

OH NO I'M JAPANESE AND I HAD A BAD DAY, BETTER KILL MYSELF!!
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>>28668705

excellent comment friend, very good retort.

>20% of population commiting 90% of murders

BAN ALL GUNS
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>>28668714
Asshole. I was going to post that.
But that mother fucker has gotten so god damned preachy and annoying. That and Bill Nye only has an irrelevant bachelor's degree.

All these assholes trying to replace Carl Sagan are nothing but shit-tier trolls.
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>>28663729
hes not a scientist, doesnt publish papers or anything of the sort
he just goes aronud saying blck science shit
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>>28666040
I used control+f on the CDC source and did not get any matches for "gang," "violent," "crime," or "gun." What's the page number for the statistic that shows 80% of gun homicides being gang-related?
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>>28668746

>some of the people

>90% of gun homicides black on black crime

maybe we should figure out why black men shoot each other all the time instead of trying to take everyones guns away
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>>28668713
>inb4 this gets completely ignored for the 50th time
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>>28668715
Hong Kong has one of the highest population densities in the world, and a much lower gun death rate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
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>>28668774
But that would be racist and interrupt the narrative and make nice liberal metrosexual suburbanites uncomfortable and interrupt their virtue-signalling and.... stuff.
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>>28668785

it gets ignored because it doesnt fit their anti gun agenda

every notice how pro gun people use govt/well constructed research while antigunners use shit from blogs and purposefully misleading graphics
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>>28663235
Yeah I bet the perp in the crimes are niggers. Most crime is caused by niggers. If we shipped those monkeys back to the jungle you'd see violent crime, welfare, and foster care needs plummet. Niggers are literally locust of the planet. It's time to gas them. RACE WAR NOW!!!!
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>>28668800

>GUNS KILL DONT YOU GET IT REE

-liberals
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>>28668797
That's why I said "crime rate". The crime rate in china is pretty high, and notably, they did have gun confiscation prior to a series of mass killings conducted by the government, back in the 50's.
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>>28668767
well nye does have some patents and a BS in mech engineering
at least he does something i dont know why people like him so much though, yeah i saw those videos of him too in class but still people worship the shit he spouts on kikebook
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Even though it's already been demonstrated ITT that there's no correlation between guns and crime...

There is a very strong and consistent correlation between blacks and crime.
http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/
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>>28668699
my point your chart is vague enough that I could use it to support my argument against diversity.

Look at your chart, "other means" and "sharp object" both look higher in the US than the other countries. This chart only tells us that there is more violence in the US. Since the US is significantly more diverse than other countries it is not illogical to conclude that diversity causes violence.

So either your chart is bad evidence or you need to start wearing a white hood
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>>28663235
>http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
What page is the 80% figure on?
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>>28668617
>>28668863
For the record, Belgium, Canada, and Switzerland at least are all more diverse than the US.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and-least-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/'
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>>28669052
leave them alone, you're being mean
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>>28669052
okay, then higher GDP=more death

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
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>>28668181
Because your political enemies never ever will stop with the fallacies and demeaning tones, especially over SOCIAL MEDIA, which is I think where your average moron gets the news that they take seriously but I don't know that for sure. News corporations sure take it seriously though.
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>>28669118
Finland, Portugal, New Zealand, Belgium, all have lower GDPs than Australia;

Greece, Sweden, Luxembourg than France;

Denmark than Italy;

Netherlands than Spain;

Norway and Ireland than Switzerland and Japan;

Iceland than Germany and Austria.

And ALL but the US, Japan, and Germany are lower than the UK.
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>>28663235
That meme pop sci fuck lost all interest and appeal he has on me.
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>>28669205
I can't believe you're taking this seriously

since you're being autistic about this, how about you check the correlation between gun ownership and violence while you're at it
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>>28669240
>how about you check the correlation between gun ownership and violence while you're at it

>When I never said anything about that.

I was just pointing out that diverse=violence isn't exactly the case.
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>>28669267
See:
>>28668863

There isn't a correlation between "diversity" and violence, there's a correlation between blacks and violence.
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>>28669267
see my post at
>>28668877
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>>28669283
People were saying diversity correlates with violence, I wanted to point out that wasn't true.
Also, correlation != causation, and I was talking across nations, the source you gave is for the United States.

>>28669310
> Since the US is significantly more diverse than other countries it is not illogical to conclude that diversity causes violence.
Which is someone I contest.
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>>28669392
Fuck, something*
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>>28669392
>correlation != causation
Y'know, you can't just say that every single fucking time there's a correlation.
We're talking consistent 80% correlations over a large number of years.

There's a fucking causation.
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>>28669419
>We're talking consistent 80% correlations over a large number of years.
>There's a fucking causation
nigger you don't know what you're talking about
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>>28669470
Okay, then enlighten us.
What is causing these insane correlations between blacks and crime?
Why does it transcend wealth, area and upbringing?

Tell us, why is there such a strong correlation between blacks and crime if there isn't a causation?
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>>28669419
>Global warming stopped pirates/Pirates going away caused global warming
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>>28669484
>Why does it transcend wealth, area and upbringing?
Does it? Can you sauce that properly?
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>>28669492
So you're saying that you're retarded, and that literally nothing will ever be good enough for you?

>Hurr correlation isn't causation
>It's literally impossible to determine a causal link for race and crime
>Therefore they will eternally dindu nuffin

>>28669498
I already have, you absolute colossal faggot.
I've linked you to it multiple times.
Read the fucking thread.
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>>28669484
let me give you an example
>every day I go to bed once the sun goes down
>when I wake up the sun is up again
>this happens 100% of the time

wow, I guess I cause the sun to come back up, after all, we know that correlation=causation when correlation > 80%
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>>28669516
>Hurr durr I have literally no idea how statistics work
>Hurr hurr nothing will ever be good enough for me because I heard a meme once that said incredible correlations are never ever valid forms of evidence
>Even when I was trying to argue correlations between guns and crime in literally the same thread
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>>28669509
>Wealth
I don't really see anything much about wealth, give me the quote.

>Area
Literally ALL the graphs are urban areas are above 250k you fucking retard

>Upbringing
Same as the first
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>>28669540
>>Hurr durr I have literally no idea how statistics work
You are certainly one to talk.

>>Hurr hurr nothing will ever be good enough for me because I heard a meme once that said incredible correlations are never ever valid forms of evidence
That's exactly true though, that's shit science and shit statistics.
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>>28669628
>That's exactly true though, that's shit science and shit statistics.
So you're admitting that literally nothing will ever convince you that blacks cause crime?
That you're so set in your indoctrination that absolutely nothing could ever possibly convince you otherwise?

Okay lel
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What does he mean by household firearms? Firearms in the home? So then what does that include? Self defence? Suicide? Accidental discharges? Or is he saying all guns are household items like say a kitchen knife?
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>>28663235
For starters, learn to properly cite your sources. Links, pages, and, if needed, table numbers. Secondly, your gang related stat isn't born out by your source. Your source doesn't list anything about gangs. The FBI UCR doesn't give a concrete listing either, only a range of estimates along with an average national estimate of all gang-related violent crime, not just murder.
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>>28669646
>Ignoring other posts
Okay faggot

>So you're admitting that literally nothing will ever convince you that blacks cause crime?
When I see a study or research paper that provides actual proof beyond that of correlation, I'll believe it.

>That you're so set in your indoctrination that absolutely nothing could ever possibly convince you otherwise?
Yeah, that was never the issue, I can change my mind, but with actual evidence. Not by some sperglord spouting shit he read on infowars.

If you can provide something beyond correlation, by all means, until then, stop talking when you can't back yourself up.

In 50 years, after your children have grown up and have had their own children, they will all look back at you and feel ashamed at your blatant bigotry. And when you finally die, a decrepit and hateful old man, all they will have to say about you to their friends is how much better off the world is without you.
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>>28669821
>When I see a study or research paper that provides actual proof beyond that of correlation
That's simply not how the field works.

The only ways you could prove a causal link would be along the lines of locking up a bunch of black and white people in separate rooms and waiting for them to murder each other.

There is no such thing as an irrefutable proof of a causal link in sociology.
I'm not sure how I can get this through to you, because you're actively trying your hardest to be as retarded as possible.
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>>28669821
wow
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>>28669821
>Facts are racist
Why are you even here
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>>28669821

>blah blah blah prove to me blacks cause crime

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

90% of black people are killed by other blacks


You may notice that there are a lot of whites killing whites too, even more than blacks kill each other. There are also 3x as many whites as blacks in the US so whites kill eachother 1/3 as much as blacks.
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>>28669971
Nah mate, that's just a correlation.
He wants an axiomatic mathematical proof.

i.e. he'll never be satisfied, and everything will always be racist to him.
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>>28668800

Hey phil whats it like wanting to dress your nephew up in a skirt and rape him??
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>>28668113
Violence is a problem and has been for most of human history... pinning all the blame on the availability of guns is an oversimplification and not helpful at all.
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>>28670047
It's not even an oversimplification, it's just downright wrong.
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>105 Americans die by suicide every day
>79% are male
>guns are used in 51% of all suicides among boys

checkmate athiests
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>>28669921
>>28669971
>>28670007
He's probably a fucking kike too
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>>28670007

probably true.

to expand on my comment though heres some census data on race populations:

there are 42 million blacks in the US

there are 198 million white people in the US

2509 white on white crimes in 2013

2245 black on black crimes in 2013

>156 million more whites and only 264 more same race murders.

3005 murdered whites in 2013 (offender any race)

2491 murdered blacks in 2013 (offender any race)

>again, 156 million more whites than blacks yet black people get murdered almost as much as whites

>blacks dont cause crime.

sauce: US census, FBI murder data
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>>28670132
>Disregarding socio-economic factors
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>>28670180
Why do poor black people commit so much more crime than poor white people and poor hispanics?
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>>28670132
>white americans are afraid that black americans would come into their homes and murder and rape them
>black americans think that white americans will go rope day on them

The realistic thing to note here is that:
>blacks are 8-9x more likely to murder than whites
>blacks murder blacks 90%ish of the time
>whites murder whites 90%ish of the time
>males are 90%ish more likely to murder than females

Basically, blacks should be afraid of black men and whites should be afraid of white men.

Stay away from men.
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>>28670180

>moving goalposts

>>28670193

this
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>>28670193
Niggers do tend to be poor af, while we're normal
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>>28664195
Aren't they also trying to make it illegal to criticize the government in Australia as well? Slippery slope in actiom, my friends. You're women are beautiful and loose, but man you guys make awful decisions.
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>>28670213
What moving goalposts? I never argued blacks commit less crime, that's simply false. I argued that simply because they commit more crime does not mean black people are the source of crime. If I had been asked, I would have said it was primarily because of socio-economic factors.
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>>28670245
>Socioeconomic factors
>Which affect poor black people more than poor whites and poor hispanics

Okay lel
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>>28670210

7.5% of blacks are murdered by whites

13% of whites are murdered by blacks.

your post is true in that chances are if you are going to be murdered it will be by a male of the same race as you but data shows blacks kill more whites than whites kill blacks.
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>>28670264
They don't affect them more, there are simply more poor black people than any other group. Can you provide something that shows poor black people commit more crime than poor white people? (honest request btw)
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>>28670245

ok lets say poverty leads to murder

there is a greater number of whites and hispanic persons living in poverty than blacks living in poverty

why then, dont they make up a staggering amount of the murder offenders?
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Midway through reading this thread, I forgot I was on /k/ and just assumed I was on /b/.
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>>28663235

This sums up murder in America pretty well.
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>>28670306
This link talks about that extensively.
http://www.ronunz.org/2013/07/20/race-and-crime-in-america/

Hispanics have very high comparative rates of poverty, but they don't have unusually high rates of criminality.
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>>28670306

This study found no correlation between income and homicide

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittTheChangingRelationship1999.pdf
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>>28670332

its almost like its a cultural thing or something
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>>28663373

>Uncomfortable Facts Guy

>@neiltyson
>Black males (6% of population) commit 52% of those murders

They're careful to refer to any event involving a gun as "gun violence" so they can put up big numbers, clearly insinuating that it's all murder. Then we're forced to spend 50x the effort researching statistics most normies won't read to debunk them.

So fuck it, turn it around on them. Insinuate that black men are murdering 204k Americans a year and let them trip over themselves debunking their own bullshit
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>>28669052
>For the record, Belgium, Canada, and Switzerland at least are all more diverse than the US.
>more diverse

Yes, Belgium, Canada, and Switzerland maybe more CULTURALLY diverse in that they have more immigrants from France, Germany, etc, but overall these countries are much "whiter" than America. America has far, FAR more racial diversity than Europe.

For example Britain or France is about 85% white, while America is only 63% (although its a WHOLE 'nother story on whether Mexicans count as white, since some of them are actually more European than Italians or Spaniards).
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El Salvador has the highest murder rate in the world at 103 killed to 100,000 people which btw they just reached the top murder country this year.

Guns are banned for civilian use in El Salvador. you can not even so much as look at one if you a civie. So tell me anti gunners, if banning guns works than why doesn't work?
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>>28663235
For a smart guy he sure is fucking dumb.
>guys we need to put logic before kneejerk emotions
>except when it comes to furthering political agendas
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>>28672469
>if banning guns works than why doesn't work?
*Than why doesn't banning guns in El Salvador have any effect on the homicide rate?
I await your answer.
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>>28664161
Dude I'm 6'5" and 130kg.
All muscle, what the fuck are you eating too be lighter and fatter?
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>>28672508
Many really intelligent, highly educated people just become completely irrational when guns come into the equation.

I blame Hollywood and big news networks being their only exposure to firearms for their entire life and conditioning them into thinking they're purely killing machines.
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>>28663586
He's actually a dick once you really listen to the shit he says.
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>>28667636
Yeah, no he wouldn't.
>You take care of your farm equipment
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>>28667062
>>28668316
>only a 24.5%-36.5% chance of dieing after being shot in the heart
So, exactly how likely is a shot to the heart to actually stop a determined attacker?
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>>28673261
Just started lifting. I'm mostly fat because I don't exercise, you probably lift a lot and get tons of gains.
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>>28674798
Very likely.

Instantaneous high volume loss in blood pressure + extreme pain = incapacition

Just because someone is incapacitated does not mean that they are dead. A lot of wounds that aren't even physiologically capable of stopping someone can drop someone dead in their tracks. Its been said that the reason most people that are shot fall to the ground instantly, regardless of any trauma that actually causes loss of leg/motor control, do so out of deep ingrained notions from film, culture, etc, that that is what people who have been shot do.

Besides, even if they are dead, trauma/neuro-science has advanced to the point that patients with stopped hearts and zero brain activity can be "brought back" several hours after "death". Death is a process, and one that can be interrupted with proper medical intervention.
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>>28674961
>A lot of wounds that aren't even physiologically capable of stopping someone can drop someone dead in their tracks. Its been said that the reason most people that are shot fall to the ground instantly, regardless of any trauma that actually causes loss of leg/motor control, do so out of deep ingrained notions from film, culture, etc, that that is what people who have been shot do.
That's why I specified a determined attacker. Besides that, the body can compensate for losing up to 20% of its blood before blood pressure starts dropping with 40% being the point at which people die. So I have to wonder if 64%-76% of gunshot wounds to the heart are survivable, what percent of those people even get past the 20% blood loss point.

Source for the blood loss percents is "The Physiological Effects of Handgun Bullets" by Ken Newgard
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>>28675189
>Besides that, the body can compensate for losing up to 20% of its blood before blood pressure starts dropping with 40%

The Heart is the great pump; damage the pump and you will lose a great deal of blood pressure even if you don't lose a whole lot of blood from the ordeal because the heart is the physiological reason for blood pressure in the first place.
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>>28667632
When he was on the Joe Rogan podcast he talked about his black power activities in college. I don't know the source on the other claims.
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>>28663952
Well it is, he's heavily handicapped by the nig gene.
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>>28670245
>I never argued that blacks dont commit more crime.
>im just saying that blacks dont cause crime.


Nigga did you just read what you wrote?
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>>28665951
Search for felon instead.
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>>28668600
> "white hispanic"
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>>28668797
A few years ago a couple of tribes in Africa were disarmed. They just make bows and went to war anyway. The entire argument is about people control.
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>>28670180
Explain El Paso.
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>>28675662
And to the topic of Asian counties having low firearm deaths. Singapore has zero gun crime but if you spit on the street your ass is getting caned.
These societies are a lot more complex than just no gunz and some of their draconian laws also extend to free speech and other freedom's liberals hold dear.
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