>>28658370 Two /k/ommandos attended a BLM protest in Minnesota on a Friday and streamed themselves meming at everyone. Laughs were had, nobody got hurt and they went home.
The BLM concluded they were racist CIA FBI plainclothes police evil, so when a couple tripfags decided to do a repeat performance later in the weekend they were promptly backed up against a wall by a mob.
The /k/ommandos repeatedly de-escalated despite the crowd assaulting them and fled, and only after being chased and continuing to be assaulted for two blocks did one of them pull his CC and empty it.
Nobody died and now they're all going to stand trial. But Minnesota self defense law is pretty stout. With their stream footage and the protesters themselves admitting on video that they de-escalated about as much as it's possible to short of laying down and allowing themselves to be murdered, it should be a pretty open and shut case.
>>28659400 And now the world knows their names and faces. Employers will find that video and their court case when looking at their applications.
They can't deny the video even if they are declared innocent. That's why you don't do stupid shit like that, outside of /pol/ and stormfront nobody likes racists and fuckheads, I know I wouldn't hire them.
My biggest argument for their case is they clearly tried to deescalate. Why else did the shooting happen blocks from the rally site? The protesters wanted them to leave and they clearly left the area since they shot the dindus blocks away from the station. Why were protesters following them after they left?
>>28659735 I have a edited video which was sent to their local press. The audio was removed by whoever sent it, i'm sure you can guess why, and i dont think it shows the shooting, just the run up to it.
>>28659715 >My biggest argument for their case is they clearly tried to deescalate. problem was they have record of them planning to fuck around with protesters in text messages before the shootings even occured.
so even if they get off for the shootings they might get booty blasted for inciting a riot or something.
>>28660113 Is it fascist to secretly force FFLs to sell guns to Mexican cartels, waiting until people get killed with said weapons, then going on TV and blaming American gun owners and the gun industry for arming cartels? What about if you do this without even telling Mexican authorities, so they actually believe the weapons are coming from the American public as well and go on TV pleading for stronger gun laws?
>>28660113 As a gay OPERATOR and frequent open carrier of a golden deagle, I was disgusted to see a ’spot’ for tonights showing of FUTURE WEAPONS in which the host, for emphasis, stated he hoped he wouldn’t run away, “like a little sissy”, from the AK-47. This ignorant nonoperator is not only a homophobe but unaware of the superior nature of the M16. The argument is of course irrelevant because MEAT STROM > m16 > ak47.
More homophobia, just when we need more inclusiveness!
When will we learn that EVERY military person has a contribution to make, regardless of their sexual orientation? I wonder how many of our brave young soldiers and marines have come home in body bags because the intrepreter in their group had been discharged as being gay or lesbian. With a death toll now OVER NINE THOUSAND; think about it!!!
Thank GOD we’ll have a Democrat running this country come next January and gay/lesbian persons will be able to serve openly, as well as proudly. ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ will be consigned where it belongs; to the garbage heap along with exploding glocks and the M9(1911 for life).
>>28660158 No. We have to deal with lgbt always trying to suck our dick (you have no idea how much OC they made about this), so you're going to have to deal with us shooting niggers while wearing /k/ patches.
After the shootout they fled, one of them asked their police "friend" for advice. Police "friend" turned him in and got swatted
Daily reminder to never trust or speak to police even if he's your best friend. If you ever get into a situation where your autism gets the better of you and you reveal your power level among fellow normies LAWYER THE FUCK UP then turn yourself in
IF HE WOULD HAVE SHOT ME I WOULD BE SO HAPPY IF HE MADE BAIL SO I COULD BURY HIS ASS. BLACK PEOPLE HAD BETTER LEARN TO SHOT THESE RACIST SONS OF BITCHES AND CROOKED COPS AND STOP BEGGING FOR EQUALITY AND RESPECT. SOMETIMES VIOLENCE IS VERY MUCH NECESSARY TO STOP VIOLENCE AGAINST YOU.. ONLY A FOOL WOULD BELIEVE OTHER WISE, IF THEY SURVIVE..
HOW MUCH LONGER WILL IT TAKE SOME PEOPLE TO REALIZE THIS JUSTICE SYSTEM WAS SET UP TO CAUSE BLACK PEOPLE INJUSTICE?
>>28660348 its edited in the real comic its lgbt in a ball on the floor clutching a /pol/ pillow, reading a note tied to a brick which was thrown through his window, about how we'll never be friends. i dont have the original and this is the first i found.
>>28660369 0/10, you're trying to hard. here is a (You) just because I feel sorry for you.
As a refugee OPERATOR and frequent open carrier of a golden deagle, I was disgusted to see a ’spot’ for tonights showing of SONS OF GUNS in which the host, for emphasis, stated he hoped he wouldn’t run away, “like a little Syrian”, from the AK-47. This ignorant nonoperator is not only an Islamophobe but unaware of the superior nature of the M16. The argument is of course irrelevant because H&K M27 > m16 > ak47.
More Islamophobia, just when we need more inclusiveness!
When will we learn that EVERY military person has a contribution to make, regardless of their religious orientation? I wonder how many of our brave young soldiers and marines have come home in body bags because the intrepreter in their group had been discharged as being muslim. With a death toll now OVER NINE THOUSAND; think about it!!!
Thank GOD we’ll have a Democrat running this country come next January and muslim persons will be able to serve openly, as well as proudly. Islamophobia and anti-refugee prejudice will be consigned where it belongs; to the garbage heap along with exploding glocks and the M9(1911 for life).
>>28659947 >where is that footage? I need it for reasons. The direct aftermath of the shooting, complete with: >terrified dindus scattering >a white guy yelling "MEDIC!" >the same anti-police white guy yelling "SOMEBODY CALL 9-1-1!" >a shot dindu crying on the floor asking "Why?"
>that feel when you got domestic terrorists locked up >that feel when they are suffering part because of you >that feel when you are actively getting the media to realize the mastermind behind it all was the white supremacist Saigamarine* *allegedly
>>28660474 >So multiple of the people involved carried 1911s? Kind of, no. BPR and Saiga both had 1911s. BPR shot the people on a different night when Saiga wasn't there, but 4 other anons/tripfags were. Saiga turned himself in to the police anyways becuase he didnt want to get swatted, and the cops didnt charge him.
>>28659763 >problem was they have record of them planning to fuck around with protesters in text messages before the shootings even occured. Not a lawyerfag so I don't know, but how were the police able to see those text messages? In a situation like that, how does the 4th and 5th Amendment play into it? Or did someone just roll and voluntarily unlock their phone for them to snoop around in?
>Allen “Lance” Scarsella ended up firing his weapon injuring five protesters. He has been charged with felony riot and assault.
>Gustavsson has been charged with second-degree riot while armed for an incident that happened last year.
I doubt the assault charge will stick given self-defense laws in Minnesota are pretty okay. They tried to flee and were pursued.
The riot charges are a bit trickier, because of the texts and shit they posted talking about getting them riled up. I know that falls on Saiga, but am unsure of others.
If one of them didn't post any intent to disrupt the "protests" then I bet they'll get off. If there's evidence to show these guys went to the protest with bad intentions then that's a different story.
This whole fucking ordeal makes me think these guys were fucking retards. Why would you even show up in the first place if they seriously couldn't see what was going to happen they are seriously mentally impaired. They may have in reality dindu nuffin but Christ they are dumb.
No, in fact it's the opposite. You don't get your charges upgraded to 1st degree Assault unless the DA thinks they can get a jury to agree. If the charges where shaky then they would have stuck with the initial 2nd deg charges.
If the jury doesn't agree it's premeditated then they walk free. It's something the DA wont want to risk in this case lest more riots.
>>28660520 fug, that would be nice. I didn't get any outside grants or scholarships because everything I found was either for minorities or were being competed for by the A++++ 100%-all-tests people who went super hardcore on everything. At least I got poorfag bux and an academic scholarship right from the college.
>>28660711 What the fuck are you going on about? We have every reason to believe they will be found guilty or else the DA would have stuck to 2nd deg Assault which has a lower standard to meet for a conviction.
>>28660763 But that precedent, though. A man was found not guilty of murder when he shot a single unarmed black teen, so it stands to reason that they will be found not guilty of assault when they shot at an angry mob that had pursued them several blocks with stated violent intentions.
>>28660800 It's not a precedent since it's not a Court with authority over any other courts. It's like that Texas kid who got off in court because he's rich. That's not a precedent for all rich kids to run amok.
If you've looked on local news sites, all but the shooter have been released on bail.
Even court reporters are taking the side of the defense, and prosecution is falling apart.
There is no way to prove that anybody was armed other than the shooter, meaning the felony riot charge does not meet definition as if nobody knew anyone was carrying, the charge can be dropped.
The Assault charges can be easily dropped by witness testimony at the scene that the men were surrounded, beaten and chased, and that the defendants ran away as much as they could before shooting in clear compliance with MN self defense law.
Basically, everyone but the shooter will walk with no charges or probation at the most, and the shooter might at least get probation for provocation or some shit.
>>28660874 The irony is that video evidence should not be necessary.
The narrative from BLM was "white supremacists" in 'bullet proof vests" and with "assault weapons" were at the rally. That is clearly not the case, and even then it isn't provable. The only demonstrative evidence they have of ANYONE carrying a weapon, is the shooter himself.
The very fact that anybody besides the shooter was charged at all tells me that MPD was intent on creating some sort of "fall guy."
The streaming video from the /k/ group including POV of them getting surrounded and beat, along with protesters video of them simply standing there as they got attacked, should make the case open and closed. The BLM provoked, attacked, and pursued.
As much as it makes a certain fatass mad, nobody is getting convicted.
>>28660855 >in clear compliance with MN self defense law
That laws says you must be a reluctant participant in events leading to lethal force in self-defense. Home videos the defendants took and their electronic communications are the end of them. Also when the prosecution puts Saiga on stand and asks why he didn't go the second night, when he says he was worried about it being too dangerous and that told the defendants he thought so, it's going to be damning as well.
>>28660932 >home videos Such as? The only videos the media might have are from YouTube, all of which involved legal activities >online discussion Has nothing to do with the scene which occurred that night. The white supremacist narrative was created by BLM. Nothing that /k/ did on the Unicorn Riot stream or the night of the shooting had anything to do with white supremacy or causing chaos. Indeed, the only actions the defendants took that night were being white and standing near a black protest. They were clearly being reluctant participants by running two blocks before being cornered.
>when Saiga testifies >implying you even know the prosecution's details >implying he hasn't already been interviewed by police and cleared
If they really thought he was important to testimony don't you think he'd still be fucking detained or even charged?
>he warned people Holy fuck so if I tell someone not to play on train tracks because I've seen trains go fast, they walk on the tracks and get run over, that means I've assisted in suicide?
>>28660991 Your post is so confused I don't even know how to approach it. Saiga can and most likely will be subpoenaed. You don't need to be charged with a crime to be forced to testify. He will be forced since it's not self-incrimination and not covered by the 5th Amendment.
>>28659687 >>28660733 He claims to have contacted police in minneapolis and told them that saigamarine was involved in the shooting, planned it all out, or some shit. Implicated him in either the actual shooting or some sort of conspiracy.
>>28660487 You're a fucking lying piece of shit and you know it. You either lied to the police(a crime) or you're lying on here about giving reports to the police
Just like you lied about your moms cancer being cured
>>28660541 Duty to Retreat has been overturned in court several times because of the ambiguity of what is considered an attempt to retreat. All that DtR really claims is that you cannot use lethal force unless you have ATTEMPTED to retreat or use nonlethal means, or in instances where attempted retreat would put your or someone else in harms way.
It's a shit law, but it can be used in your favor if you know it.
>>28660487 I am so ashamed that you are from my state. I really hope your fourth bypass kills you you fat piece of shit, but not before the cancer kills your mom. I hope you get to hold her as she draws her dying breath letting you know how much of an utter disappointment you were and how you will never amount to nothing. I may not agree with some of my /k/omrades opinions but I would never sell them out like you. May you and your descendants burn in hell.
>>28660539 Counterprotests are just as protected as protests.
They went to counter demonstrate. They went armed because around blacks never relax. Good thing they did because had they not been armed, it could have turned out worse than just a broken tooth for one of them.
>>28661294 They went there to fuck shit up for the protesters and their home videos and texts messages show premeditation. Thus Assault 1 charges and the ineligibility to be considered a counter-protest.
>>28661420 That's where "being a reluctant participant" before using lethal force in self-defense starts being a problem. They went there armed, with the intent to agitate, and it worked. Stupid games == stupid prizes.
>>28661448 You should be able to express a conflicting opinion without fear of being violently attacked.
At no point did any of them initiate any contact with blm protesters. They stood by a fence and were almost immediately swarmed and attacked. Regardless of their intentions, they hadn't spoken to or approached anyone. They were attacked, ran away amd were corner on a dark street blocks away from the protest before shooting.
They fulfilled the reluctant participant and duty to retreat
>>28660932 Yeah that's what the law says. But case law is much more forgiving. Minnesota let walk a man who literally chased a purse snatcher, cornered him by some dumpsters, and then killed him when the snatcher preduced an airsoft in an attempt to scare him away.
Our courts are forgiving as fuck for self defense.
>>28660487 >exercise right to peacefully assemble >non-aggressive >make a joke >get assaulted >defend self >domestic terrorist So did your dad raping you after slapping your cunt dead mom around make you that fucking gay or were you just born that way.
>>28661746 Or maybe it didn't blow up because was an isolated incident perpetrated by men driven to such anger by BLM protests that they formed an armed group to go agitate and incite violence against them. Not much more really needs to be written about it that's newsworthy.
MN /k/ommando here that knows all involved individuals involved and watched both streams.
>they went down there for more IRL shitposting and no real ill intent >they were innawoods all weekend and weren't completely aware of the heightened situation at the BLM protest >they head down >get some taco bell on the way >stop just at the edge of the protest to eat >read a sign or two on the fence >some guy comes up and asks if they have any money >they say that they don't becayse they spent their last bit on gas and food >guys walk off >suddenly flash mob >they get swarmed >group swarming them gets violent immediately >reaching and grabbig at them while yelling for them to take of their masks (while the majority of them are wearing masks themselves) >they tried to de escalate the situation >BLM gets mad >starts throwing punches after backing them into a fence >they run >after a few seconds of them running the last thing that's heard is "IF YOU DON'T BACK OFF-" >stream cuts out
Was going down there stupid as hell? Yes, and they all admit that. Did they do anything wrong? No. Did they do anything warranting being mobbed? No. Were they justified in defending themselves? Yes.
>/k/ gets arrested >anons say they'll be let go >dr8co says they'll stay locked up >they aren't let go >anons say they won't be charged >dr8co says they'll be charged >they are charged >anons say they won't be raped in prison >dr8co says they'll be raped in prison I can't way to hear about blackpowderranger and arcticfox getting raped
You're forgetting one thing, Anon. The /k/ommandos are charged with 1st Degree Riot. The prosecution is not charging them for the shooting, just for attending the protest for the purpose of causing a disturbance. Although I don't believe they actually intended for things to deteriorate that much, the /k/ommandos are on film before the shooting saying that they planned to provoke the protesters and they have their phone/text records full of race war memes.
The prosecution's case for felony riot is open and shut. These guys fucked themselves by memeing in real life.
Saiga got arrested and sold them all out. Thinking he just got a free pass to leave the country and go to Muslim land and commit war crimes. Tfw saiga will get raped and killed by isis before the others see jail again
>>28662665 I've always wondered if that hole is fuckable and if so, is it big enough to fit a cock. I'm sure it wouldnt be tight, but you could have her use her hands to push her skin around so it would be sort of like titty fucking.
>>28662253 >We did nothing at all. A few NOPE'd out, but the majority of us have had their backs this whole time. Certain things we can't talk about but from the looks of things they should walk.
I'm just got say, no matter how this goes down I hope it is recorded and if they do manage to walk or not get jail time....then you've all successfully have trolled BLM by letting their crazy "white kkk" shooter free.
And the tears then will be abundant and delicious.
Well gee, I guess if I were involved in some sort of legal trouble connected to accusations of white supremacy, I wouldn't want to be currently affiliated with a bunch of fucking spergs who frequently shove mosin bolts up their asses, have anime girls in SS uniforms, or masturbate over German weaponry.
Also, trips are cancer, he probably still posts, just not on his trip, good for him.
>>28665707 We absolutely do fucking not you retard. I live here and this was covered thoroughly in my CWL class. MN law says you have a duty to retreat even in your own home. It's one of the few states in the Midwest that DOESN'T have Castle Doctrine. Don't spout off lies that will get people in trouble for believing, you piece of garbage.
>>28666259 He JUST fucking posted the statute saying you DO NOT have to retreat in your home. Listen, if you want to let some dindu kill and or rape you and your family because your CCW teacher was a retarded tool you are within your rights but it doesn't mean you have the right to confuse others.
>>28661026 No, but in many states you can't plead self defense if you rile people up and get them to attack you, it's legally considered the same a sucker punching someone then shooting them if they swing back in some states.
>>28666065 >There is no duty to retreat inside your home This guy gets it.
>609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.
>The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode.
Translation: You see someone doing some felonious shit in your house, you can legally blast away.
Now, that is the law. But as with this situation that these kommandos are in, it would behoove you to make absolute damn sure that there was no other choice but to shoot. So don't light up Jamarkarius just because you see him heading out your back door with your TV and XBox. But if he brandishes a deadly weapon as you try and stop him, try to shoot him over the tile for easier clean up
>>28666335 This is why Minnesota doesn't really have a Castle Doctrine. Castle Doctrines allow you to shoot any fucker, regardless of their degree of violence, that's trespassing on your property.
For example, some 12 year old dindu could be using a slim jim on your 1966 Gran Torino in your front yard and you could snipe him from your porch with an M1D and get no problems from the law. But in Minnesota, the dindu would have to pull his jennings or lorcin on you before you could ventilate him.
>>28666405 >Felony theft at that point. Ventilate him. Truth, but the legal buttfuckery that you'll end up taking because "he was a good boy, and was only stealing that to pay child support for his starving 4 kids" isn't worth it over $1100 of shit that you can get replaced by insurance. So, as I stated in >>228666377 , it'd be in you best financial interest to not plug as he's walking out the back door. If you're blocking his path, and he resists....... make him start leaking.
>>28666330 Reluctant participant status can be re-established. it depends on escalation of force.
>be you, start a bar fight because someone is flirting with your girl (we'll just play make believe here) >you're of course sober, because you're a law-abiding citizen that doesn't carry when drinking >fight spills out into the parking lot. >you mop the floor with the drunk guy. >guy gets in his car and leaves. >you cannot shoot him legally. Now, say instead of leaving, he grabs his knife and comes back in for revenge. Because of the DW now being in play, he has now escalated the situation and if he confronts you, you have the right to shoot him as you are now the reluctant participant even though you started the fight.
Fuck, give me the $75 that you paid your piece of shit PTC instructor.
>>28666602 No, you can't legally shoot someone who uses a weapon when they fear for their life because you're a nigger and just get up and assault random people. What next, are you going to say that Jamal can legally shoot people if they try to defend themselves with a weapon after him and his friends assault them for being in the wrong part of town?
>>28666498 >>28666509 I understand the economic outcomes, but it's something to think about. Technically the home intruder trying to get out with $1k worth of shit is committing felony theft, but you then have to decide if it's worth discharging.
>>28666740 >No, you can't legally shoot someone who uses a weapon when they fear for their life Re-read the story...... If you have to, read slower, sounding out those big words.
The fight is over. If he goes to his car and grabs a knife to come back for more, he is the aggressor.
However, IF he had a knife on him, and DURING the fight it was so one sided that he wants nothing more to do with it. If you continue, potentially causing GBH. He would have the right to defend himself with that knife.
I mention the distinction because the kommandos did more than their due diligence to remove themselves from the situation. They never engaged into the fight, and even ran for 2 blocks to get away from it. Thus re-establishing their reluctant participant status
>Mfw MN has duty to retreat >Mfw in Texas we can shoot people in back as they run away from a crime not even related to me or my own property >Mfw both law and case law validate this >Mfw if it is dark outside and you see someone committing "criminal mischief" ,e.g. any minor crime or worse, you are legally protected to shoot them >Mfw a man shot a hooker in the head as she ran away without delivering sex after he paid and it was justified since it was technically theft >Mfw old man shot burglar robbing his next door neighbor as he ran away after the 911 dispatcher told him not to shoot >Mfw he was justified
Yeah but if you smash something on your way in, say some guy's over-the-top gaming PC, that could be a felony right there. I only know this 'cause a fellow Minnesotan almost got into felonious shit when he broke a bunch of glass doors when drunk
>>28667320 Personally I think a duty to retreat unless it's in your house is a great way of handling things, which is what our law says. We have a provision to shoot Jamal in the head if he's trying to mug somebody, we have a provision that says "no, you absolutely can defend your home and your family" and we have a provision that says if you can deescalate the situation you probably should.
I'd much rather be forced to walk back fifteen feet and tell a guy to back off as I draw my weapon than just go "heh, ttyl nigger" and just start firing wildly.
>>28668595 Yeah I can see how that could easily spiral into something entirely different. So that old guy shot some hooker running away for "technically stealing." What if the guy was trying to fucking gut her like a fish and she was like "yeah no, we can't have sex." We'll never know though, will we?
When you need to justify shooting somebody on a technicality there's something severely fucking wrong there.
Oh and to add on to that. I don't remember the chick's name but the other kid, Nick, he wasn't some fucking hooligan and I'm not exactly sure what the fuck he was doing there. The fact the dude parked his truck far away and sat in his home like a psychopath says to me he called them over so he could kill them. I think the chick turned down his crazy ass when he wanted some pussy, and that's why he went full batshit insane when he executed her. Dude should be put on death row but hey, minnesota.jpg and no death penalty here. Also...
>they stepped into him home and they had it coming
lmao no, that is not how a first world nation works and this is part of the reason why we're sliding backwards as a nation. I don't really feel like continuing this discussion with you though, as I said before you're the actual personification of obtuse hyperbole leveled against gun owners. In a just, sensible world you shouldn't fucking exist, but we live in a crazy world full of dumb motherfuckers so hey, I carry to protect myself from Jamal and trigger happy shitheads like yourself.
>>28669153 >cornered >unable to retreat >duty fulfilled? check >"For a moment there I thought we were in trouble..."
What a stupid question lmao Think next time before you post some stupid gotcha post because that situation would fly even in nogun hellholes like Cali or MD.
>tfw one day soon the Native Texas Militia forces will invade Austin and drag every single non native into the streets >tfw we will force them to lay face down as we execute them one by one >tfw no legal trouble because they were trespassing in our state
>>28669332 Besides the booming economy. second largest tech hub, second largest corporate hub, largest medical center, or oil/gas industry?
>>28669362 >booming economy so like everywhere that isn't Detroit? >second largest tech hub second largest, I know you can count >second largest corporate hub again: second, but why would I need to go to corporate offices lmao >largest medical center isn't the Mayo Clinic, don't care >oil/gas industry North Dakota has far less Texans in it and therefore it is superior in all ways
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