The F-22A is undoubtedly the greatest air superiority fighter ever built. How are pilots from other countries (specifically Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, etc.) trained to combat it?
Are they even trained to combat stealth aircraft?
I doubt you will get any answers here or with any credible source elsewhere. It's kinda bad to tell other people how your forces plan on destroying the top dog of US aviation.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it would involve trying to throw some shit at BVR if you can somehow pick it up and then GTFO back in range of your AA.
Pray that you somehow get close enough to try for a heatseeker kill because radar-guided missiles just aren't gonna work. Either that or somehow bait it into entering an area where you have a powerful ground-based radar and a SAM launcher.
Keep in mind, both of these scenarios rely on the F-22 pilot losing all self-control.
If they do, it'd be a massive breach of intelligence and they obviously wouldn't tell anyone. So, do they know? I have no idea, but keep in mind that not even the US's allies don't know what it can really do, since it always participates in training exercises with a big lens to make his RCS bigger.
No, I mean do you think that they read Wikipedia and stuff, and the news sources online? I know it sounds stupid, but it seems like they would only know as much about the aircraft as we do.
Foreign countries aren't in the habit of disclosing their military tactics, so we'll have to guess. My guess is either to simply overwhelm it with numbers (massive attrition, not a good idea) or refuse to engage it unless you have strong ground based AA support and can deny it airspace. Whether denying airspace to a stealth plane is actually possible is another debate ofc.
obviously these countries adjusted their doctrines to counter this threat.
Russia for example is upgrading their defense network. They already had some anti-stealth radars in place to counter B-2 bombers but adjustment can be made to make them effective against F-22 as well. Needless to say, they want to avoid a scenario where their fighters meet F-22s head on with no ground support.
They know way more than that. Russians have tested mock-ups of F-22 in anechoic chambers to get an idea how effective it is against their radars. Every bolt on F-22 has been thoroughly analyzed by their engineers.
If by adjustments you mean make mobile radars x6 as big and no longer very mobile but now very visible on satellites and great targets for cruise missiles.
Finding the general location of an F-22 is one thing that can definitely be done by a platform or facility built to do that. Guiding a missile to one before you die or even at all is another problem almost entirely.
Only way a country like China or Russia could take it down with other aircraft would be if the F-22 pilot(s) make a big mistake. I mean, the difference in detection ability is going to be almost insurmountable. Take a flight of Su-27/35 and try to find the F-22. Only way would be with IR sensors, because as soon as you turn on that radar, you're gonna get detected and die before you ever detect the F-22. If you could manage to get close to it undetected then you could try and take it down with IR missiles.
Honestly, there's not much you could do other than "try to get close without it killing you".
radar isn't as useful anymore. infrared sensors are the future. The DAS on the F-35 can detect other aircraft dozens of miles away, without the same kind of emissions as radar (which are easily detected) and without letting the enemy know you see him. IIRC there is some evidence that the DAS on the F-35 has detected large ballistic missile launches hundreds of miles away.
Honestly, the best counter to stealth aircraft might be to develop some kind of mobile IR sensor platform, like a mobile radar platform but using IR sensors.
Of course, the US being the leading stealth developers, they'll probably be the first to develop sensors to detect stealth aircraft, and once that starts to happen it won't be long before they also develop countermeasures or jammers that can spoof an IR sensor.
In 30 years when the chinks and russkies finally have active duty stealth aircraft, the US will be using more advanced IR sensors and countermeasures that will make the radar-stealth almost useless.
look, they are not reverse-engineering a fucking flying saucer
f-22 is advanced, but it's still an aircraft. and a 20 year old design at that. experienced engineers can guesstimate the capabilities. they do not need to know the RCS to two decimal points to begin developing counters.
>they do not need to know the RCS to two decimal points to begin developing counters.
The difference between 0.5m2 and 0.05m2 is very large.
But yeah, keep on moving those goalposts from "Every bolt on F-22 has been thoroughly analyzed" to "Guesstimation"
Are you a fucking retard? We are talking about an aircraft so advanced that the United States has often been hesitant to even field it in combat. I doubt Russia and China know jack shit about the actual capabilities of the aircraft. And two decimal points is actually a fuckton, We're talking about precision weaponry, not guesstimating the gaps between your mouth-breathing teeth.
>It is currently in service with the air forces of Brazil, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Ecuador, Chile, Angola, Burkina Faso, Mauritania, Indonesia, Afghanistan, and the United States Air Force, and has been ordered by Senegal, Honduras, Lebanon, Mali and Ghana.
Afghan Air Force - 20 aircraft ordered. The first aircraft were delivered in 2016 and the last are to be in service by late 2018. The first A-29 Super Tucano of the Pentagon's Light Air Support (LAS) program, destined for the Afghan Air Force, has been delivered to the US Air Force in Jacksonville, Florida by the Sierra Nevada Corporation and Embraer in September 2014. The first eight Afghan airmen are trained in the USA to form a new Afghan fighter squadron. The first four aircraft arrived in-country on the 15th of January 2016. Four more are to be delivered in 2016
Step 1: detect and track F-22A. This will depend on a variety of ground and air radars, potentially including low-frequency sets and sets of very high wattage. If a track can be established, even a low-resolution blob on low-freq radar, then step 2 can proceed.
Step 2: dispatch fighters. These can be scrambled or diverted from somewhere in the air. Either way they have to go emissions silent and drop low to the deck. They will approach the F-22's rough area at high speed and hope to evade the F-22's look-down capability. Preferably there are multiple pairs to send at them.
Step 3: fix and engage. The fighters will find the intruding F-22, either from detecting the raptor with their own eyes and passive sensors, or by instruction from GCI/AWACS, or by taking the risk of emitting with the radar intermittently. When the fighters are close enough, they will initiate a zoom climb to shoot the Raptor from relatively close range. Ideally the Raptor pilot is still unaware.
Probably not the only way to do it but that's the classic cold-war approach to spanking superior fighters roaming around your rear.
I think that's a realistic approach. Not sure about the visible identification part though. I've seen the Raptor flying twice in person against blue skies, and the damn thing isn't exactly easy to see. Your eyes sorta just want to slide over it.
Of course, I'm sure pilots will have their visors, etc.
these are not ww2 fighters
Yes, zoom climb. Because your only goal is to close ASAP and pop missiles at him before he knows you are there. And yes, it does leave the attacker easy pickings if the Raptor survives and retaliates.
Those pulses coming out the back make me think of this noise
If they can make anti radar munitions for air to mud how hard can it be to add some software to an AMRAAM to make it home on radar. They already have a home on jam feature.
I should add I'm no expert. Just a simple mud humper.
>how are Russia and China trained to combat it?
THROW ANOTHER ENTIRE SQUADRON AT IT!
>how are Iran and North Korea trained to combat it?
THREATEN ISRAEL WITH NUKES AGAIN, HOPEFULLY THEY STOP SHOOTING ALL OUR SHITTY 60'S AND 70'S ERA PLANES DOWN EN MASSE
Thousands and thousands of people with and without clearance have had access to detailed CAD files from the tooling programs all across america.
There is not even a remote possibility that china and Russia haven't managed to get their hands on every bit of it.
The only thing they're missing is the materials specs, and I'm sure it wouldn't be all to difficult to dredge up
Meaning that they have analyzed "every nut and bolt" on the F-22A? Fuck off. If that were true, the Russians wouldn't be taking so long to put forth the T-50. You're speaking like they have the goddamn schematics.
A lot of intelligence is done now from public sources - why bother about hacking and sending spies when native Chinese aviation enthusiasts will take pictures for you? Not implying there aren't spies in China, etc or cyber espionage committed by the west, but the workload has shifted more towards the public domain.
its just exhaust from a jet engine at either afterburner or full power.
word of the day: Shock Diamond, also called a raccoon tail in informal company when amongst aircraft maintainers at a burner run.
>You're speaking like they have the goddamn schematics.
exactly captain poopdick. wings, fuselage, cockpit, whole shebang.
hard info on electronics, avionics controls, weaps become way more scarce, but it's there for the taking. It'll take easily a decade of analysis before this shit is fruitful toward the end of tactics.
So when is the F-22 going to be upgraded to use the GAU-22/A?
But why does it need to be more powerful?
If range wasn't an issue, you'd be almost as effective using something like the M134 - a screwdriver can penetrate an aircraft if you're exceptionally clumsy.
Because the GAU-22/A is designed for a better balance of air-to-air and air-to-ground capability - it you can fit more rounds in it than if it were a 30mm, but it penetrates armor on the ground better than a 20mm.
The F-22 isn't going to be doing strafing runs any time in the next couple of decades, so there's no point in putting that kind of gun on it.
Might as well ask why they're not putting the GAU-8 on it.