What are the best pistol caliber carbines on the market? Is there anything similar to the Skorpion Evo? Are mp5 clones solid?
Best would be the Sig MPX.
It is very similar to the Scorpion Evo.
Some MP5 clones are good, most are shit, all are twice the cost of a Scorpion Evo.
Honorable mention to the Beretta CX4, 8/10 gun that doesn't cost a grand.
MP5 is king, and now you can get license built ones with good warranties. The Zenith Z-5 series is better than the POF at the moment and comes with 3 mags as well as an optics rail.
Sub2k's are neat.
They're worth buying if you can find a Glock-mag version for under $450, but since lelkek only makes like 5 a year they typically go for nearly twice MSRP (which is $500).
Sadly no, the Evo and the MPX are the only two in their genre (modern-looking, forward-mag "SMG" style PCC's). And yes, you do have to spend $1200(+) to get a solid one, since the Evo breaks regularly at low round counts.
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If you want a solid PCC for under a grand your ONLY options are the Beretta CX4 or a 9mm AR. There's a couple companies making dedicated-9mm AR lowers that take Glock mags, but I personally don't see anything wrong with the Uzi-mag conversions.
Especially if you already own an AR, it's a mag block and an upper. A basic-bitch upper+mag block is under $600.
It's pretty heavy, but this is actually supposed to be a good gun if you can make one from a kit. I'm waiting for my tax stamp and for a friend who is altering the bolt and FCG for me. You can completely detach the barrel from the receiver very easily so it folds up pretty small(though not as compact as a sub2000 obvs)
Lol, I guess that is a bit of an understatement. I can't wait to shoot mine. I was surprised how easily you can swap the barrel out, makes it kinda compact too, you could stick it in a backpack pretty easily.
The CX4 may not be the best, but it's decent. It's pretty accurate, reliable and easy to clean. Fun range toy.
The one I have (Canada) takes 92 mags. They feed well, but are a bit stiff.
Your receiver looks parkerized; Is that one of the ones TNW threw together?
How's the fit and finish on it? Was your bolt parkerized as well? I've heard a ton of bad shit on them, but a comparable amount of positive reviews.
It's actually just a TNW receiver, the rest of it is from a parts kit. I bought the 100% receiver off of GB, and I was lucky enough to meet a guy who has made a few of these and was willing to trade my trashed receiver from my parts kit in return for altering the bolt and FCG for me. I hate parkerization with the force of 1000 suns, so I'm planning on trying to strip that shit off of there and rebluing it once I get a chance. My rifle isn't complete yet because I'm still waiting on my stamp and my gunsmith friend.
>Or do you have to pay like $1200 for a solid carbine?
The used market adds solid options in 9, 45, 40, and 44 mag. Respectively, you're looking at the Marlin Camp 9, Camp 45, Ruger PC4, and Ruger Deerfield. They take, respectively, S&W 59 series mags, 1911 mags, Ruger P series mags, and removable 4 shot rotary mags, respectively. Prices off your LGS used racks range from $400-700, depending on model and gouge factor. The first 3 are direct blowback, and the 4th is some sexy action that sounds like you're racking a Garand action.
Pic is an earlier generation of the Ruger 44 Carbine modified (by a gunsmith who was told it was impossible and took it as a dare) to feed from an Automag magazine, rather than from it's internal magazine.
Rimmed cartridges don't do well in semi-autos. The issue with 45 in a carbine is that it doesn't gain any velocity from the increased barrel length vs pistols. Almost true for all PCCs, though. 9mm only gains like 200 fps. Pistol cartridges use fat burning powders that allow the bullet to accelerate to maximum velocity within a pistol barrel. Rifles just make them more accurate.
Pic is another option, JRCarbine, uses Glock mags
Wait! Got one! 5 shot double action .45LC/.410, 16" barrel, NICE fiber optic sights. Looks weird, shoulders and feels great.
Marlin Camp 9. 30 round stick are available, and 40 round drums are available for the .45.
Important to note that the recoil springs were undersized from the factory, and the recoil buffers were made of nylon, which was broken down by cleaning chemicals. Replace both immediately, with parts readily available from Midway and Wolff.
Saw one for $500. Cool snowflake. Shoulda got it.
>Honorable mention to the Beretta CX4, 8/10 gun that doesn't cost a grand.
Why have the Galactica gun when you could have the Spaceballs gun?
Currently building a 9mm AR using a Glock magazine lower, and a .45ACP on a Mauser action.
Both are intended to be suppressed when done. The .45 I hope to do integral like a delisle carbine knockoff.
>The CX4 may not be the best, but it's decent. It's pretty accurate, reliable and easy to clean. Fun range toy.
I shot a CX4 years ago at Beretta day at the NRA HQ range. It had a lot of recoil for a 9mm carbine. It wasn't a lot of recoil compared to a full power rifle but a lot for 9mm.
Go with the classis DoE (Department of Energy) Carbine
Give me your shekels...
You know you want to...
Also, PSA now makes a 9mm Glock AR-9
Back in the day. These days, M-4s. Full auto ones. They regularly train and drill force on force. As in, one plant's force attacks another plant in a drill. And they don't hold back.
>Marlin camp-series rifles
They do fine.
What people don't like about them is they really don't gain much from the longer barrels.
Pic related is a near-max book load from a 16" barrel.
>16" barrel produces 1100fps
>5" barrel produces 854fps
This is the greatest PCC on god's green earth.
Don't forget to replace your recoil buffers, lads.
"Yes". What I paid for mine 2 years ago, LGS. Nobody but morons pay gunbroker prices. Note the 0 bids. People try to sell discontinued rifles for excessive prices all the time. Let's be honest, it's cool, but it's a fairly common direct blowback 9mm. Some dipshits think any POS is automatically collectible after 2 years. I still see them in NH.
>guy wanted 3 grand for it.
Reflective of the sellers drug habit. Not market forces.
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>this is the greatest PCC on earth!
>You just have to replace parts in it constantly, it's long, heavy, uses expensive low-cap mags, and has been out of production 25 years because it sucked and wasn't popular!
If mags are this rare and expensive I'll pass.
>normally in the $700-900 range
My ass. Anyone buying one on an online auction site for that is a moron. I paid $399 for my 9 and $449 for my 45, and gun prices in NH SUCK. People online are just fucking gouging. Watch HONEST LGSs. Hint: If they have 500 round .22LR Blazer bricks for $50, GTFO.
Oh excuse me.
"This is the greatest PCC on God's green earth"
Because that's somehow different than "greatest PCC of all time" seeing as how firearms don't spoil and there are fully functioning matchlock firearms from 400 years ago still.
>that double feed doe
That is a false statement. I personally put 7,000 rounds through my personal scorpion without any failures. The only time people are having failures with the scorpion is when they swap out OEM parts for the 922r compliance parts (sear).
Can confirm. Currently working for a big name company beginning with a P to build plant Vogtle in GA, they just had M4s, usually decked out in magpull shit with an eotech or aimpoint. The cool things are the MH-6's that they fly around in, usually with two people off each side.
I wish the Marlin Camp 9/45 and Ruger PC9/40 were still around. If you want a non-BB PCC in Califuckistan those are your only options. I'm not counting the Chiappa abomination because it's a complete turd.
Hey wait, pistol calibers are supposed to go with short barrels, and rifle calibers with long barrels. Maybe that would mean that mediocre pistol calibres would quite work well for carbine lengths, rather than something proven like 9mm?
Maybe, say, 7.62 tokarev wouldn't be so bad in a rifle? Or how about .40 S&W, or .32 Magnum?
Stop. There is NOTHING wrong with UTG.
Diffanon. Currently working in a state regulatory agency, so we play with the plant's accident responders. Ex-Navy Nuc, so previously stationed at the plants in the woods in upstate NY. Security and safety at those places is no joke.
Also, kudos to you, good sir, for helping build new plants. Literally no fucking way whatsoever to bring down carbon emissions without replacing, and surpassing, our country's current nuclear inventory (laughed my balls off when Massachusetts' last plant said they were closing due to finances +/or hostile environment. There is now absolutely no way whatsoever Massachusetts could possibly meet the greenhouse gas reduction goals they legislated in, and it's their own fault! ROFL)(MIT [The Institute] recently had a massive breakthrough in fusion, which could allow them to defeat the power budget issue within 5 years!).
Some folk hate it. Some swear by it. Some realize it doesn't make that big a difference between the Big 3 (9/40/45 - honorable mention to 10mm). Hit em in the lungs/heart and even a .22 can do work.
There's a markup on a real HK product here in murrica over the clones. Also a real select fire mp5 that can actually be bought (machine gun registry, made before 1986) is even more so.