What can this piece of overpriced trash accomplish that no other existing aircraft in the United States inventory can't already do?
Isn't the point of the F-35's fancy ass sensors that its supposed to kill you BEFORE you get an opportunity to dive on it?
Why are you moving the goalposts just so you can go "HAH I TOLD YOU IT WAS SHIT"
Then you aren't aware of really anything, are you Captain Puzzlenugget?
Seriously. Ridiculously off bore targeting capability is the main upgrade in the AIM-9X seeker/targeting systems.
Maybe if you knew fuck all about jack shit, you wouldn't have to spend your life making shitty bait threads on /k/.
It has almost double the range of every fighter it's replacing on internal fuel alone.
>F-35A/C 600nm internal tanks only
>F-16 295nmi, two bags A2G (4x1,000lbs bombs)
>F-18 400nmi, two bags A2A (light load)
>F-35B 450nmi internal tanks only
>AV-8B 300nmi with bags
>Don't be a shithead
Ah, so you can dish it but you can't take it.
Also, why the fuck should it be strange that the DEDICATED AIR SUPERIORITY FIGHTER might be better at A2A than the multirole? It's fucking designed that way, you autistic sack of shit.
In permissive airspace.
Whereas the F-35 can roll back the IADS in extremely unfriendly skies. Shit, the F-35 will be guiding munitions in for the F-15Es while they launch from maximum standoff. With the F-35, the F-15E is nothing more than a bomb and missile truck in the back ranks when it comes to non-permissive airspace.
And costs just as much, if the F-15Ks are anything to go by, for less capability in every single metric save raw kinematics (even then it has a lower AoA limit). Oh, and the RCS and IR signatures of a flying fucking whale.
Welcome to every F-35 shill thread. The only thing they love more than moving the goalposts is when the DOD does it.
They also love to mix and match statistics in between the different versions and from different points in time (like before they restricted the airframe to max 4Gs because the larger compressor wheel they swapped in to meet thrust requirements was banging into the inside of the housing).
>No need to yell fucktard. The F-16 and F-18 can hold their own in air combat. The F-35 can't.
The F-35 has a higher AoA limit than an F-18 and better kinematics with an actual combat load than a similarly loaded F-16.
In short, if knowing shit were like being a badass in the prison yard, you'd be the bitch getting your teeth knocked out so you can give better head in the eight times a day you put out.
Costs MORE than the F-35, even at LRIP prices, and still has an RCS a couple orders of magnitude larger.
Why are you so ignorant?
Wat? I was saying that the guy saying that the F-15E pounds harder was moving goalposts, because he was talking about range up until that point.
Also, the F-35 hasn't been restricted to 4Gs for quite a while now.
Or maybe they just want to scrap the F-35 program in total, write it off as the fucking failure it is, salvage the tech for use on the F-22, and build more F-22s? Huh, no. That would only make total fucking sense.
Australian shitposter detected.
Just because literally every single animal on your continent is venomous, toxic or a walking biohazard and every single one is perma-menstruating and only your death can satisfy it does NOT mean you need to be a fuckhead constantly.
>buy old aircraft with jury rigged upgrades
>which costs three times as much
>and requires three times the maintenance hours
>instead of the cheaper, excellent multi role which is better at every single mission except the primary A2A mission of the F-22
Also, what the fuck are you, a luddite? We don't need to go back in time to the F-22. We got 6th gen shit spinning up within the decade.
They even want to use it for close air support. We have a dedicated CAS platform that can fly low & slow and absolutely decimate everyone we fight these days. Our boys have always cheered when it comes in to put lead on target.
Why would anyone want to replace an airframe that just does its job so well?
good on ya, mate.
By the way, I fucking love the wildlife and nature in Australia, and Aussie girls were the most fun loving of all the study abroad girls I met living in Russia. I have no idea why aussie shitposters are so perma-assblasted.
You guys are like Jekyl and Hyde - worst shitposters ever over here and totally cool, knowledgeable dudes over there. No middle ground.
>a member of any of the bands of English workers who destroyed machinery, especially in cotton and woolen mills, that they believed was threatening their jobs (1811–16).
Obviously I was being facetious, but I was absolutely using it correctly for this tech advancement hating can't understand the future is coming fucktard.
Uh. Yeah, he pretty much did.
Not only do you suck at knowing anything about modern fighters, threat environments and necessary capabilities, you can't use the English language or even use google properly.
It's time to self-cleanse.
Holy shit. We all know you had no fucking clue what a Luddite was, and we all know this grammar nazi bullshit is a smokescreen for that fact.
Grow the fuck up.
>Anyways, I proposed upgrading the F-22 to modern standards.
It already cost three times the F-35 at obsolete mid-2000s standards. What the fuck do you even want?
The F-22 was about $150 million in today's dollars at it's cheapest and costs roughly twice as much to operate per flight hour. To port the tech from the F-35 over would also require a ton of extra development and integration testing, because things as subtle as changing the position of a camera or antenna practically makes the half of the F-35's integration efforts and all of it's calibration efforts meaningless.
It also ignores the requirements of the Navy and Marines; a Navalised Raptor was explored, but would've been ridiculously expensive and having no replacement for the Harrier leaves the Marines with ~10 mini-carriers that are now half useless.
So now you'd be able to afford perhaps 500 "F-22C's" for the USAF and leave the USN / USMC with their F-35B/Cs. So now how are those 500 Raptors going to cover the day-to-day bombing tasks that ~1500 F-16s were doing, for an acceptable cost?
>Too bad they lose the information battle before the energy battle even begins.
Don't even concede the point like that. The F-35 performs better kinematically with a combat load than either.
>The F-16 and F-18 can hold their own in air combat. The F-35 can't.
Too bad they lose the information battle before the energy battle even begins.
It's not about who wins the dogfight, it's about the most efficient way to kill enemy fighters. The more fighters you kill, the better off you are. Efficiency is the name of the game, and information fighters win this game hands down.
Merging with your target and winning the dogfight is the *least* efficient way to kill enemy fighters.
The F-35 is superior at airfield destruction, and superior at BVR air combat, both of which are way more efficient than WVR combat.
Fourth gen energy fighters swerve.
>We have a dedicated CAS platform that can fly low & slow and absolutely decimate everyone we fight these days.
>couldn't be fucked to spend five minutes on google
>screaming his head off about his ignorant opinion anyway
>can't understand why everyone is swatting the shit out of him
Autism, ladies and gentlemen.
Overpriced, over-engineered horse shit. The solution is more Jugs.
have an option with more range
>low and slow
In any kind of non-permissive environment this is "Crash and Burn"
A10 is adequate at killing muslim fucktards hiding in caves. It doesn't have a purpose on an actual modern battlefield.
We haven't fought on a "modern battlefield" in a long time, son. We have everything we need right here. What force are we facing that eight .50 cal machine guns plus additional rockets can't handle?
Are you a moron who bought into the F-35 vs A-10 propaganda?
>One with Strela-3s
Bro, the P47 has an ARMORED BATHTUB and can land after taking severe damage. I'd like to see your F35 do that.
It'll be interesting to see how well the F-35 stands up to heavy damage - overall it should be pretty tough, being rated for 9Gs and 8000EFHs, having independent controls (meaning it can't lose hydraulic pressure), and having fly-by-wire.
One A-10 crash in Iraq happened because he lost hydraulics after being shot up and had to rely on mechanical controls. The weather wasn't great at the airbase and so he couldn't control the aircraft (too much pressure on the control surfaces), causing him to strike a wingtip, cartwheel the A-10 and land upside down, before he died from being stuck and burned alive.
The good and bad thing though is that it has a ton of fuel - it's bad because internal fuel leaks can flood hot areas and cause fires, but it's also good in that if you don't get hit excessively, the fuel slows down missile fragments, etc. There's something like 9 different fuel tanks as well so if one or a couple get penetrated, you can move fuel to other tanks to get you to a tanker or home.
thanks for the (You)s boys
David Axe (to grind) in particular has a grudge against the F-35. Some of that rubs off onto a couple of the other authors on the blog. He's done stupid things in the past as well like talked about classified anti-IED jammers while they were still in use in the field.
No, meaning he's charismatic. The "F-35 vs F-16 dogfight report" for example that he released was heavily misconstrued by him. Because he released the article / document though, he had a hundred other blogs and websites copy-paste his story. If you actually read the report and have an understanding of aerospace engineering though, it's not at all what he's described.
I keep making P47 posts to mock the A10 fags and you cocksuckers keep taking me seriously. I can't even do this anymore. There's no sport.
Still fuckin' love my Jug, though.
>implying that freedom is ever overpriced
>What can this piece of overpriced trash accomplish that no other existing aircraft in the United States inventory can't already do?
>Ok, I'll humor you, dick. How is an F-35 going to prevent such a kill from an F-22?
If your country has off-brand F-22s, America will send real F-22s to deal with them before sending in the F-35s.
If your country doesn't even have off-brand F-22s, then F-35s are more than enough plane to push your shit in.