Hey guys. So I'm in the navy, and I'm thinking about getting a hand tattoo.
I asked my command and they said I can't do it. But I looked through the tattoo regs and it says nothing about having a hand tattoo.
If anyone can shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it.
>join army during war
>allowed to have hand tattoos
>lol at officers until ets
Don't tattoo anything you can't cover with a suit. Trust me on that one. You don't want to be spending $2500 like I did for laser removal of a $50 tat because no law firm in the state will look at you despite your Bar results.
That was the fucking dumbest decision of my life.
>thinking about getting a hand tattoo.
>asked my command and they said I can't do it.
I'm not going to look for the actual reference but it really depends on the size and location of the tattoo. I've only known chiefs who got small ones on the side of their hands. They got paperwork done on them but it was also grandfathered in, probably when regulations were different back then.
But even if it's not in the orders, your command has already told you not to, and going against that would be a violation and you're probably going to get NJP'd then separated out for it.
The safe practice is if your skin shows while you're wearing authorized the PT gear, you can't have tattoos there. I know quite a bit of people who have tattoos on their foot; this one weird ass motherfucker who had tattoos around his cock and even had a Jacob's ladder on it, like seven of them. I hated that dude.
My two cents. Hey, people these days would straight up tell you you're wrong, but they leave you hanging on the reason. If anything, if you're trying to get out after the Navy, hand tattoos could affect your marketability with picky employers.
Tattoo your neck, face, or hands... and you go from just run of the mill stupidity, to a whole new level.
The only kind of person that would want a hand tattoo, is an inferior fuck in every way possible, and is advertisement of such.
Get the tattoo, you thick skull moron.
Tattoos are fucking stupid and make you look like trash regardless of who you are or where you work.
I and so many others will instantly think less of you if you have them, and if you're actually a fucking retard enough to get this in places that can't be covered up like hands and face and neck, than maybe you deserve it.
Go ahead, it's your fucking life and your career, if you want to throw it away and go against command so you can get some stupid shit that you'll later regret and that will basically make you a fast food employee later in life, but you don't care because "it looks cool, man" then by all means
>Join organization with strict appearance/conformity requirements
>Be a sniveling faggot when they won't OK your speshul snowflake white trash "I belong on the bottom rung of society" badge
Cara Delevingne seems to be doing ok
>I'm thinking about getting a hand tattoo.
Why? What could you possibly gain from this? People will judge you as trash for literally the rest of your life. Your employment prospects will be limited. Nobody will EVER, I repeat, EVER say "Yo cool tat man" (which I'm guessing is the main reason people get tattoos) because it's a fucking hand tattoo. Nobody likes them but teenagers and trailer trash. Fucking hell man have some self respect and don't mark up your body for no reason.
I got my hand tattooed while in the Air force, AF was cool with it.
been out two years and I want join the Army now
Are tattoo waivers even a thing?
If the Batt commander has to approve it, I can get an E-8 and an O-6 to write recommendations. Would that even help?
pic so you'll stop and read this
Hate to break it to you, Airman McNignog, but the Army is in the middle of a draw-down with at least 60,000 more to get the ax.
That 'super-sick' hand tattoo isn't going to help...
pic related of you at the recruiter
Ummm.... I am in the military.... or at least what the Army calls the military these days.
So I guess that I do have balls. You will have to ask your Mom what bounces off her chin to confirm.
Ps - Which one are you in this pic?
Pay attention to this guys attitude.
I have Tats, all covered up with the PT uniform (shorts and a tshirt). I understand wanting ""art"" to show off and being unique and all that. But 1) in the military tats are regulated, in NO BRANCH may you have them on your hands, neck or face (FEW exceptions, nome of which apply to OP) and if you are in and get them, they will see you discharged under a "other than honorable" (a General discharge at best,if you are lucky) which means you military service now does you no good in getting you a job, so you have wasted the last few years of your life. 2) there are still people who have a very negative attitude about tattoos, so even if your employer likes tattoos they consider what their clients like and dislike. This leaves a handful of careers where tats are okay to be seen, and none of them are well paying.
>Wife works in clinical research
>Everyone inna office has tats under clothing
>She interviews dozens of people for an open position
>The most qualified person ROCKS the interview
>has tattoos visible on her chest and arms
>Wife and office manager discuss hiring her for days (hence me hearing about it)
>Decide to go with less qualified person without tattoos.
>Because the industry is competative and in that industry one bad impression can send a client running.
It sucks, but its reality.
People discriminate against tattoos precisely because of OP and his attitude. Tattoos are a glaring warning that such a person almost certainly has zero long term planning ability or can strategically think. In that case, they are obviously unfit for the position or will rock the boat down the line. While there are probably plenty of exceptions, why take the chance? They did something incredibly stupid once, what's to say they wont again?
Tattoos are just an easy means to identify troublemakers and the impulsive. The military demands conformity and risk accountability. Hence, the discrimination against inking.
i love reading peoples stupid reasons for hating people with tattoos. Its not your body, why do you care.
That being said >>28649707
don't get a hand tattoo dipshit. If it can't be covered by a dress shirt it will fuck you down the line, military or civilian world.
Except for the tradition of tattoos.
It is rare to find a paratrooper without his wings tattooed to him. My god father did it, my older brother did it and I did it.
Plus motto tattoos show service pride and dedication. They say "I am proud to be part of this"
Some also serve a purpose, IEDs are a real threat and I have seen mortuary affairs get bodies mixed up, hence I have a "meat tag" on my ribs so there is no chance of not being ID'd if I get blown up.
Tattoos are a military tradition dating back at least to the Roman legions and are as much a part of the Army as pointless formations are.
All that being said, I agree that a tattoo that cant be covered up shows who cant plan ahead. But people learn and grow. Are you the same person you were 10 years ago? Are you to be held accountable for mistakes you made 5 years ago?
But then again my tattoos are for me, not for you. Dont be so judgemental of people who willingly put themselves in harms way.
What's that? It confirms I am capable of reading a regulation and adhering to it?
Or that I was smart enough to pass an 8th grade level multiple choice exam.
I'm not sure why your jimmies are rustled, but you can blow me.
It doesn't say anything about hand tattoos. Though if commands says don't do it, don't do it. Its not worth getting your ass chewed or worse getting a statement because you wanted some tattoos. You could always get a tattoo when you are out of the service.
Used to be a tradition to get your rate insignia done on the back of your hand near the thumb. Older guys got grandfathered in when they changed regs, but the whole thing is 3salty5me.
>Tfw no pig and cock tattoos on my feet
Very yes. Having to have a motif on your chest to remember her by is a fucking insult, you attention whoring faggot. You're effectively saying you need a reminder to think about her, much like picking up milk from the 7/11 or feeding the dog. Uppercut yourself.
as a person who is "command". If you get pissed about a person following a regulation, you're a fucking twat.
If the CNO wanted to outlaw hand tattoos, he would. Since he doesn't, I couldn't give a flying fuck.
Bruh, my whole life is dealing with the population of twats in the navy.
But, regardless, I don't regulate based on feelings. There is always a book, and the book is always signed by someone who outranks me. Just because I might not personally like bixnoods so much, doesn't mean while in the performance of my duties I'm going to treat them any differently.
So, as a heavily tattooed guy, this happens to be one time a regulation is in my favor. But more often they aren't. I still enforce them all equally.
Total opposite for me...well okay one or two regretted it, but they had WAAYYYY over the top Hoah tats (Soldiers creed and a female got a "follow me" tramp stamp without thinking it through) but the rest were all pretty good.
But I am talking about guys that have done a few tours, re-enlisted and generally made a career out of the Army. I can see a guy that barely finished his term wishing he hadn't got that "Charlie Rock 1-175 CAV Black hearts" (looking at you know who you are and I know you lurk here).
I'm thinking of getting pic related on my left shoulder, should barely extend past a short sleeve tee shirt. Would this count as "eccentric" and bar me from the marine corp or army reserves? My brother designed it for me cause our parents are Disney fanatics and I like Alice in wonderland. And the human race in my mind is kinda insane so I think it's a good representation of who I am.
Kinda harsh but I agree. I always looked down on ppl like that. Now if there was something special to your connection with somebody and you got it tattooed as an artistically tasteful representation I could get on board.
Are US armed forces really that fucking picky?
dont get a hand, neck, or face tattoo.
No basis in reality, if you're interviewing without at least a long sleeved shirt on then its not a job worth keeping and/or you didnt prepare at all to get hired.
Or it has to do with a trade and it doesnt matter. Stop projecting your insecurities on everyone.
>troublemakers, 'glaring warning', zero long term planning.
projecting reaching maximum levels.
remember to drink your milk and say your prayers before bed, it doesnt seem like you've spent much time in the real world.
Well holy shit how will i possibly live with myself without the approval of a mouth breathing faggot like you?
If a 'problem' can be covered up with a shirt, its not a problem.
So by that logic memorials in locations all over the world should just be destroyed since it's just people insulting others by not 'just remembering' what significant event happened there.
shut the fuck up.
its the one of the biggest militaries in the world and they have a surplus of candidates
I think its good because most soldiers get the most edgiest tats full of spider and cross bones like you pic
Yeah...Ill give you the face thing. One of my buddies got a pretty cool tat to remeber our other buddy that took an EFP to the head. Its not a face.
A civ bro got a tat because his (now x) gf chickened out and picked one for him instead....I call it the "property of Alison" tattoo every time I see him.
Tats can be based or fucking retarded. Few fall inbetween on the spectrm
>Few people realize their star tat is a star of texas/nautical star
>These people are not from texas or the Navy.
Hardly a faggot for speaking the hard truth whether you like it or not. Maybe people should change their attitude maybe we should discourage hand/face tattoos. Either way it doesn't matter cause reality is what is now and nothings gonna change quickly
>command says no
There's your answer. You're not smarter than the Navy. Don't try to be.
I have a tattoo on my hand and here's how interactions involving it usually go:
Best case scenario people bug you about it all the time, whether it's questions about "what it means" or "why would you get that on your hand?", and worse case scenario you get uppity fagbags like >>28650249 who instantly discredit you as a human being just because you have something that triggers them.
Do I regret getting the tat? No, it was a choice I made and even if it's seen as a poor one, I still like it. Would I ever get another hand tattoo? Nah, it's just not worth the social hassle. Maybe in 10-20 years there won't be any kind of stigma against that kind of stuff, but the fact remains that society still isn't super comfortable with tattoos or body art in general. Sure you can get the "safe" shit, but anything that's kinda out there is still viewed with confusion at best and scorn at worst.
"Look up there, young boy, this is one of the heroes of a lifetime past! You are standing here thanks to him"
"What's that tat on your chest, handsome?"
"So I remember my mother."
"Oh em gee, that's so sweet, lemme rub my titties all over that"
>literally no difference, anon
>An important event in someone's life remembered by an artistic creation.
because the meaning isnt important to you and the quality of the art is subjectively less to you doesnt make it the exact same idea. So if one is 'insulting' so is the other.
Your skin brand screams enlisted corps.
I consider the people of /k/ my friends, I really mean that. Its rare that I meet a non-veteran I can relate to, but here it is easy.
That being said, as somone who considers you a friend I would be remiss if I didnt tell you that is an awful tattoo idea. Your symbolism and idea are sound, the imagery is great too, but combined and placed on your skin till death its fucking horrible.
Perhaps try the wording in a cool font? Or a redesign. As it is now, its awful.
>I have 4 tattoos
>Each one took at least 2years of thought
>Each one looks nothing like it did in my initial design
>4 tattoos, HUNDREDS of changes each
>I always copy the design on paper and stick it to me to get an idea of how it will look
>Locations of tats each changed dozens of times
>No needles till its perfect
>this is how you decide on a tattoo
Who makes more money?
1. Art major fag who opens a tattoo parlor right outside a military base
2. Divorce lawyer whose office is right outside a military base
D A M A G E D
9/10 post, only because perfection is impossible. Yeah tattoos generally are on either end of the spectrum not much you can do about it since everyone has an opinion. But in general if you want it get it but you have to accept people are gonna have an opinion. I want pic related from my earlier post, its not a beautiful work of art but it's not ugly. People might think I'm a try hard hipster getting it but I like Alice in wonderland; the Cheshire cat is appealing to me, my brother designed it for me, I love my brother who is 3k miles away, i want something that tangibly connects us and finally I feel a personal connection to it. I do believe the human race and the world we live in is fundamentally "mad". People can say and think what they want but that's my reality and I'm not gonna let others control me unless it is gonna make problems for me professionally or in day to day life.
Lol. Hardly "damaged". Everyone's got their scars and baggage from fuck up experiences or just general shit that happens in life. I'm not some chick with daddy issues or some hipster grizzly bearded faggot trying desperately trying to be unique in order to justify their existence.
> I'm not some chick with daddy issues or some hipster grizzly bearded faggot trying desperately trying to be unique in order to justify their existence.
so why are you getting it
This is a good response.
Good luck in making a tattoo that is perfect for you. It takes time, but perfection can be reached, at least in your eyes, so in a few decades you still love it as much then as you do now.
>My oldest tat is 15 years old
>Still looks awesome
Btw..PRO TIP: TATTOOS FADE AND BLUR over time. So consider that fact when getting detailed tattoos....because in as few as 5 years some details will be blurry as fuck
Thanks for the cordial advice friend. I get your point hence why I wouldn't get this is a highly visible spot and why I haven't got it done even though he drew the design months ago. I've thought about this a long time and this tattoo theme is probably the only one I will ever go through with and odds are I won't get it for another year if not more. My brother is in cali working retail and enjoying a day to day carefree life. Hes not really planning for a more stable middle class kinda life while im in jersey figuring shit out. So it's hard to communicate the design since I can't draw for shit and he is too busy to really put the kinda time I want into it. These are other designs he roughly sketched out but the other one I posted is so far the only one I would consider. I might go to a tattoo parlor and ask them to tweak the design bit I really want the design to be solely my brothers work. It's for him as much as it is for me.
Implying a six figure job is the route to happiness. Plenty of rich people are miserable and depressed. Kinda why therapists and anti depression pharmaceuticals are such a money maker. However, your thought process is not without merit. Bad tattos in bad places can fuck up peoples possibilities for happiness in their desired careers.
Thats a good plan. Some of these look good. Tweek away! I promise you, you would have the same reaction to some of my original designs.
Hey! Looks like I found the Private thats been in for 4 years because "everyone else is stupid."
>Implying a six figure job is the route to happiness. Plenty of rich people are miserable and depressed.
that's what I was getting at. I was born poor so I'm honestly probably content with being poor for the rest of my life. As long as I can get by, and enjoy the little things in life, I can make it through the next day.
Thank you. Yeah I know over time they fade/blur and generally start to look bad. I've seen some run down old peopels tats and high visibly ones that faded after a couple years. That's why I'm planning on shopping around for the best tattoo artists in my area and paying top dollar. Also that's why I picked my up arm/ shoulder for the location. It'll receive a lot less direct sunlight on average so retouching will be a very occasional thing I can budget for.
>has pride in a rank that only requires literally zero effort to attain (especially in the big army)
>has nothing besides a meaningless deployment patch from like 1st ID or some other worthless unit
s-stand at p-parade rest for me... Pls
Did you read any of my posts? I thought I communicated my logic fairly well. Do you have a logical aversion to tattoos or is it routed in biblical thinking or social stigma? Not that either of those trains of thought are "wrong", I'd say flawed but not wrong. Well in short I want a memento to honor my love of my family and that design is a fairly accurate representation of my mindset and beliefs. I can't wear my soul on my sleeve idk if I have the words to describe it well enough to an artist or if there is an artist capable of physically expressing me to my satisfaction bit if could I would wear my soul on my sleeve so people can kinda guess who I am without me spilling my guts. I'm by no means " unique" like I said but I'm certainly not gonna sell my self short and arbitrarily represent my inner self with a design I haven't thoroughly vetted.
How does it feel being a pussybitch that cant deal with something different because of "muh social standdards?"
This entire thread is why you should never take life advice from military personnel.
Kids they have no business having
Obsession with stupid shit of no relevance
Just damage my shit up
Ah I see you have done research. Okay, sounds like you are off on the right track then. Hmmm I dont think I have anytjing else worth while to offer you. When you get it done post pics!
I cant take you seriously. I kinda even feel bad for you.
>tattoos are degenerate
>only had by human trash
>can't be troops
but pic related is totally, absolutely 100% no questions asked acceptable and brave.
maybe Trump can fix this
Well hey, the memorial didn't provide any titty action so I say the tattoos are fine.
OP here, so check this shit out. After speaking to my shift supervisor and my LPO, they all made me feel like a retard for even asking to begging with
>of fucking course you would ask something retarded like that you stupid fuck
So today, the slut of my command posted a picture on Facebook of a hand tattoo, I think I'm just going to get it and have them pull up the policy, it literally doesn't say anything about hand tattoos
Why are you Facebook friends with anyone in your command never mind a fucking military female in your command?
Do you enjoy making your life harder than it is?
Jesus fuck. Jesus fucking Christ.
Reminder: There is no difference between the mind of a 15 year old woman, a 23 year old woman, a 40 year old woman or a 60 year old woman. All that changes is looks.
Symbol of Torment:
Either this version:
or this version
Either would be simplified though.
not true best friend, I got out a lance corporal aka a shitbag, by military standards I was a loser who would never amount to anything because I didnt want to re-enlist.
so instead I went to college for free and obtained a degree in Information Technology and got a bunch of Network and security certifications, im sure some of the marines I worked with will become welfare queens while they sleep under the overpass
>I stamp myself with trademarked symbols that other more creative people thought of because I have no creative fortitude.
Literally placing a company's creation on you. Destined for the service industry. Thanks for the free advertisement.
>mfw I met a retired E-9 who is driving taxis
I have a wrist tattoo, had to get approval from my NCOs at the time. Had to be on my non-saluting wrist, coverable by uniform and I couldn't wear short sleeve dress blues. Also with the understanding that if the UOD was sleeves up, I could get fucked.
im guessing you own your personal island, paid for with your own money with your own CEO and Owner positions for your own company? if not then got off your "corporate pawn" soap box, especially if you wear a visor and apron as part of your work uniform.
That's the most E4 thing I've ever seen.
Good shit ninja brother.