What would be the standard issue weapons of your armed forces? For example, Astrachia:
>M16 platform standard issue for all branches
>All branches have their signature weapon
>Army uses FN SCAR Mk. 17
>Federal Marine Corps uses M16A4 (instead of A3 and A1)
>Navy uses the HK416
>Air force uses the SA80
There's more details though, I can elaborate if asked
Standard weapon: Mosin Nagant
Standard DMR/snipe: PU sniper
Standard machine gun: Several mosin's taped together
Standard pistol: Obrez
Standard camo: Naked body covered with cosmoline
They'd all be traps and fuck the enemy army to death
>Ruger Mini-14 standard issue for all branches
>HK VP9 standard issue sidearm
>Mosin Nagant for elite sniper recon teams
>BCM Middies for our special anti-terr force
Pic related -- our flag
Everybody uses the m16 because it works with no bullshit
DM guys use a AR-10 derivative
MGers use the open/closed break bolt m16 machine gun conversion
Why bother arming your soldiers with special snowflake bullshit? Also fuck left handed people.
>All combat-vehicles are variations of Toyota trucks
>Our camouflage is pic related in BDU styling
>Total conscript army
I should have explained, that different weapons are not mandatory for soldiers to use, only available for their respective branches. Basically, everyone starts with M16 and M9, and when they complete basic training they get the opportunity to learn to use different weapoons. The more you accomplish in the military, the more weapons you can get your hands on.
One Gun to rule them all
Infantry use them stock
Marksmen get scopes
Machine gunners get heavy barrels and drum magazines
One gun, one caliber
>Rhodesian State in Africa and Europe (RSAE)
Home Guard/Coast Guard: Licensed copy of Galil ACE 21 and 23 in 5.56, OD and FDE for Home Guard, Stainless, navy, and black for Coast Guard, all wearing night sights.
Air Guard: M6 Survival rifles, chambered 12ga. over .223, and Sig Sauer P226Rs for defense. Reserved for pilots and crews.
Expeditionary forces: Licensed Galil ACE 23 as standard, OD and FDE, wearing VCOG's. All soldiers equipped with P226Rs.
I should point out that in my mind, the expeditionary forces are borderline SF, and rarely deployed en masse. The majority of the armed forces would be composed of the Guard Branches, who don't go beyond the countries territory unless absolutely necessary.
Logistics are not a problem, at least here in Astrachia. Since most of the rifles use NATO caliber cartridges, it's no problem having multiple weapon systems. Besides, the more weapons a soldier knows how to operate, the better.
Multiple different platforms for different branches etc
Army uses Colt CM901
Marines use CZ 2000
Reserves use AMP-69
Navy uses SU-16F
Air Forces use CAR-15
Camouflage is MTP for ground forces
Flight suits for Air Force
Navy has sort of a mix between a wetsuit and a BDU.
Good choices yeah?
>Standard Weapon: M4 or some shit
>Marines: Broken M4s from the army and/or sticks
>Navy: Benelli M3 or equivalent pump/semi auto. If you can shoot at it with a rifle, you can shoot at it with the deck guns. Shotguns are more than adequate for close in and belowdecks
>Air Force: Sig 226. First instinct is to go with something that has a bit more kick than 9mm but the cost + low recoil + large magazine size are a winner
Everyone loves a good battle rifle but half the point in switching to an intermediate cartridge was you can carry what, 150% more? Endurance>ballistics in real life
What do you mean logistical nightmare? All guns have same caliber, every branch still uses the M16 platform, and these sigature weapons are not mandatory to use
You realize there are supplies firearms need other than bullets and magazines, right? Having one common family of firearms means parts can be exchanged in the field. You're basically ensuring your armories have to stock double or more what they otherwise would have to. Not to mention having to have more and different factories, different acquisitions contracts, etc.
And what is the point of this?
>Flight suits for Air Force
>Navy has sort of a mix between a wetsuit and a BDU.
awful. Navy needs something lightweight and flame retardant because ships can get hot as fuck and Airforce could probably use the same thing since they sure as hell aint fixing planes in air conditioning
>Navy has sort of a mix between a wetsuit and a BDU.
Do you even know what a wetsuit is? And you know most Navy guys don't actually swim in the water, right? They have boats for that.
Same with the air force. Why do non-aircrew need flight suits? Even the actual air crew only wear flight suits when they're actually flying the aircraft, because get this, flight suits are fucking hot and uncomfortable as fuck.
standard rifle for all branches: Colt M4A1
standard sidearm for all branches: Glock 17
standard camouflage: Multicam BDU
standard DMR: KAC M110
standard LMG: FN M249
standard GPMG: FN M240
>mfw logistically sound
Well, the broken guns would get delivered to be fixed (or necessary parts would be brought to them). And i.e the SA80 would be better with paratroopers than M16, but M16 is better at "multi-role" combat
You are talking out of your ass. The US actually has some logistics problems with the m16 vs m4, much less completely different guns.
This is COD shitter bullshit logic
So, the idea is to see how far the logistics train can stretch without actually providing a tangible benefit. I understand the idea of a "signature weapon" for all branches is appealing , and having troops well-rounded in terms of what weapons they can use is not a bad thing by any means, but how much benefit can there really be in fielding that many different rifles, especially versus the outright cost and extra strain on logistics?
It's not just about organization retard.There are only so many supply runs an outpost is going to get, for example. Only so much supply an armory or base is going to keep on hand. And supplies aren't consumed at the same rate. Having more parts commonality decreases the complexity of the logistics needs of a military force, which is really important in the field, especially when you factor in things like enemy action or disruptions in supply.
>having troops well-rounded in terms of what weapons they can use is not a bad thing by any means
Well-roundedness does not come from having experience in multiple firearms that are virtually identical in operation.
There is an argument for cross training - like having all riflemen at least passingly familiar with how the military's sniper rifles, machine guns, etc function, but shooting an M16 and then shooting an HK416 does not make you a more well-rounded or better shooter.
With Astrachia being a lot smaller country than the U.S, and not operating as far from the homeland, the supply wouldn't be stretched too thin I suppose. All garrisons have capability to maintain all current service rifles, and if not, backup is not that far away
Wow, no need to be an asshole about this
And of course, knowing how to operate a 416 would be useful if co-operating with another force that uses the 416, like Norway
>And of course, knowing how to operate a 416 would be useful if co-operating with another force that uses the 416, like Norway
The controls of a 416 and the M16 are virtually identical, you massive fucking retard.
>spending money and logistics on equipping whole branches in different small arms, just so they can be familiar with multiple platforms
>not just teaching multiple platforms in boot camp and then providing the whole military with one of them
It isn't really a problem if you have the resources to fund it. The armed forces have multiple sources of funding aside the taxation
The gas-piston-thingie? The way it operates is different than M16, is it not?
It's just not a good idea. I know you want your fantasy army to be cool and operator and have an interesting variety of weapon so all the main characters are visually distinguishable or whatever but there are quite simply very good reasons militaries don't actually do this.
Do you literally, literally, get your knowledge of firearms from video games?
Please take your roleplaying back to /tg/ where it belongs. Or maybe don't, since /tg/ is still an okay board and you seem like a faggot.
The Israelis seem to do just fine with wide array of different weapons?
Sorry, didn't google it at that moment. But it is a short-stroke-piston, so wasn't too far off, eh? And what's with the hostility, man? :D
>The armed forces have multiple sources of funding aside the taxation
The Israelis may equip different forces with different arms, but they don't do it in this retarded grab-bag manner. And they're more standardized now than they used to be. The reason they had to do this in the past was necessity; it's really only been within the past few decades that they had the ability to equip their forces with standardized arms rather than what they could get their hands on.
Army/Army Air Corps: M16A1s with Wood furniture, M14 (1 per squad) C1A1 (1 per Squad)
National Guard: BM59E, C1A1, M14
Ceremonial: 1886 Winchesters
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: XM177 style Mid-length
National Guard: AC-556
Ceremonial: Trapdoor Springfield Cavalry Carbine
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: M21 with M14E2 stocks
SOF: SR-25 MK11
National Guard: Model 656
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Mauser action rifles with Arisaka style bolts in .338 Lapua Mag styled after the M1903A4
SOF: AWM .338
National Guard: Various, Standard Model-70 .243 Win
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Sterlings in 10mm
National Guard: M3 Grease Gun
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Hecate II
National Guard: M99
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: M14A1 with X-Products drums
SOF: M27 IAR
National Guard: Valmet 78
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy/: Stoner 86
National Guard: Ultimax
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy/:An M240B that looks like an M60, Why? Because fuck you that’s why
National Guard: FN MAG
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Model 37D, Sterling style 12 gauge that uses Saiga mags
SOF: Rem 7188
National Guard: Various, Standard Model 37D
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: 1911s with no grip safety in 10mm
SOF: P220 in 10mm
National Guard: Glock 41
Ceremonial: Single Action Army in 45 Colt
Fucking fite me nerds
That's not the controls that post was referring to, you retard.
>what's with the hostility, man? :D
If you can't handle being called a faggot on 4chan you should probably go back to the site you came from. I'll give you a tip, newfag - everyone on 4chan is a faggot and everyone will tell you what kind of faggot you're being.
>The Israelis seem to do just fine with wide array of different weapons?
M16 and Tavor? Thats not much variety.
Pretty much all the weapons Israel is known for, aren't used anymore. The Uzi and Romat are long dead and the Glilon is only used by cops that guard the Knesset.
>M16A1s with Wood furniture
Got this far before raging. You monster.
>He doesnt patrol the Mojave
P L E B
>All this cheap outdated shit like XM177 and M14
>But also new expensive stuff like P90s and M27s
So is your military a massive poorfag or are there just some branches you really hate?
>To show appreciation, for one
Yeah, corporations aren't going to donate an army's worth of rifles or whatever just to be appreciative.
Fuck, I actually GM two different tabletop roleplaying games. In one of them, the standings of several militaries and their interactions is a major aspect of the story. And none of them are half as fucking mary sue as yours. So I reject what that other anon said up there, please don't take your faggotry over to /tg/ either.
But it is senpai. It lacks a forward assist and brass deflector. Plus the whole reason it had its distinctive moderator was because they hadn't figured out carbine length gas systems yet. The XM177 was a definite WIP. If you're really sold on the whole AR carbine with carry handle thing, at least go with the newest model, the M727/733.
The corporations here are not (as) money-grabbing as you'd think. Nor are they the only ones supplying our military. The government can still afford to fun most of the military, since we don't waste our money on useless things, like catering to lazy people etc
>The Republic of Umbubu is a small nation in a strangereal North Africa.
Direct-impingement, flapper locked rifle in 6.5 Carcano (modernized in terms of propellants and bullet design). Feeds from an 18 round magazine (because Umbubu BuOrd wanted something equivalent to three clips of Carcano ammo). Issued with a 2.5x20mm scope with a single, inverted post sight.
American-style M1 clone, distinguished by a more sloped front for slightly better shrapnel protection
Knockoff of Bundewehr M1956 uniform in a three color (khaki, chocolate brown, and green) vertical lizard pattern
Belt-fed DP-28 clone in 6.5 Carcano, utilizes same 2.5x scope as rifle
Domestically designed tank based on extensive experience with the Sherman. Used HVSS suspension, a reclining driver, and enough frontal armor to shrug off hits from 100mm AP ammo. Armed with a French 105mm gun, MG 151/20 coax, and a pintle-mounted FN MAG on the commander's cupola
>The corporations here are not (as) money-grabbing as you'd think
What is this fantasy? The whole point of a corporation is to generate profit. Its only loyalty lies with is shareholders.
Holy shit I can't tell if you're retarded or fucking with us. Can you give us a single reason WHY signature weapons would be a good idea? Because your entire nation relies on conveniences and goodwill and perfect logistics. It is absolutely separated from the real world. And stop with the :D shit, even as a shitposter.
I'm pretty sure I can't truly convince you they're a good idea, but anyway, the signature weapons are supposed to be best for their respective branches, like the SA80 with its shorter length being better with paratroopers than the M16, or the 416 being also shorter and more reliable in the navy, and the Mk. 17 packing more punch than the M16. Most of them are the same caliber, and they're not too different from each other, so it's not as bad as it could be, eh? Another justification for it is to differentiate between branches, if you couldn't differentiate any other way. And tradition plays a small role in this, the branches have always had different weapons from each other, but that doesn't really account here, I suppose.
In the Kingdom of Fuckistan, we don't use guns. It will be a safe haven for all of the abused guns in the world to come and hide and have happy lives.
>will kidnap every person with Down's syndrome
>give them steroids, mexican and black sex slaves, and unlimited spaghetti o's
>arm them with rocks and clubs
>special forces gets stop signs and concrete/rebar clubs
>they will conquer
And the royal guard uses Colt C8's.
>inb4 special snowflake gun, it's cold as fuck in Greenland (aka Old Fuckistan).
>It was a long time coming when the Federation of Astrachia Armed Forces rose up
>The paratroopers attempted to seize the presidential airfield, but the dust kicked up by their helicopters caused their SA80s to jam, making them easy prey for the President's secret police
>The Navy attempted to infiltrate through the sewers and plumbing of the Presidential Palace, and did so successfully. However, due to the enormous costs of their signature weapon, were too few and were cut down in the tight corridors by the secret police
>However, the army was able to successfully prosecute the coup, rolling over the secret police with their tanks and large quantities of SCARs
>The churchbells rang at the madman's death, somewhere a baby eagle cried a tear of joy, and the FN SCAR became the new service rifle for all branches of the Armed Forces of Astrachia
>standard infantry rifle: ak74m
>standard lmg: pkm
>standard dmr: svd and svu
>standard side arm: Browning hi power
>standard bolt action sniper: sv 98
>standard sub machine gun: mp5n
Weapons available to spec ops:
>ak100 and ak12 series in multiple calibers
>rpk74 m and rpk
>steyr aug a2
Mk18, I figure that doorkickers will appreciate the shorter barrel length, and Pogs will like having a light PDW.
SCAR 17 to replace the horrendously outdated M14.
Glock 19 because it`s more or less retard proof.
Stoner 63, SEALS loved it, it`s relatively lightweight, and economy of scale would make them cheaper to manufacture because they use AR lower receivers.
M2, no reason to replace something thats worked so well for so long.
They get to use whatever I`m not going to make that decision for them.
Enlighten me as to why the M240 and M249 are both in service /k/. Whats the advantage of having a MG in .308 when .223 will take care of most things and .50 will take care of everything else?
5.56 is realistically effective out to about 600m, which is perfectly adequate for the infantry platoon.
However, in terms of what the weapons platoon of a company might be doing, it is very useful to bring the ability to engage area targets with machine guns out to 1000 yards or so.
On vehicles, 7.62 ammunition is also significantly less bulky than 12.7mm HMG ammunition which is remarkably useful for any sort of extended mission.
Anyone know any good sites with fictional nation/world/flag generators or with loads of user made fictional nations like nation states, alt history sites, etc?
My creativity is garbage.
No, not at all, we're located a couple hundred kilometers off the U.S east coast, and we're basically doing all right in terms of GDP. Not bad, but not the best
No you're misunderstanding me.
Most wetsuits I've worn were lightweight and made of some sort of composite metal and i understand the flame retardant idea but the current BDU's they wear in the US navy are in fact not flame retardant.
And yes i know what a wetsuit is you retard. I mean to say it's made out of the same material that i would want on it. Not just wetsuits.(That would be nasty) And dude about the flight suits. I just meant lightweight suits for ground operations and ACTUAL flightsuits for the pilots.
Whoops forgot photo lol.
Thats retarded, grunts dont make arms choices, and why not train with 3 or 4 total things, instead of being tec 9 certified and cross trained in pkm, but im working on my degale brand degale merit badge.
I don't see how they can be "doing it all right," considering that you would fail out of a 100-level economics course given the level of knowledge you've displayed over the course of this thread
They're not supposed to be fuggin gommies, instead people who were at one point an African colony and have fought people armed by fuggin gommies.
Interestingly enough, the Bundeswehr M1956 uniform is among the most copied pattern in the world
Catering to immigrants or just lazy people, if you can't find a job after school, we'll put you in a job. We don't take debt, we don't give out money to other countries, to name a few.
I wouldn't say fascist, very rarely we've had to force people into a job, since they mostly are able to find them themselves, if that's what you meant by fascist.
>Catering to immigrants
Immigrants are often a source of workers who have skills your own country lacks.
t. every Filipino nurse ever
>We don't take debt
Debt on a national level does not work the same as debt on a personal level. Getting into a modest amount of debt to pay for infrastructure that develops the economy is a really, really good idea. Plus, governments can just wait for inflation to do it's thing, then pay off the debt a hundred years later when it's worthless.
>we don't give out money to other countries
International aid usually benefits the donating country. When a gommie shithole privatises their water or power industry, it's not some African company that buys those companies and profits off the misery of poor people.
Same with building bridges or skyscrapers, a gommie shithole company can't get past the third floor before the construction site collapses from weight-bearing columns made of old banana peels.
With catering to immigrants, I mean that they have to earn their keep. Basically the opposite what FInland and Sweden mostly do. We don't give out money places that would immediately waste it, like Greece in recent years, of course we help if there's a disaster or something, and since debt seems to be unavoidable, let's scratch that one out. And no, we don't sell our industries entirely to foreign companies. Nice that you help me find ways to improve Astrachia even further
>milwaukee now an independent and princely city-state
>small navy of coastal patrol boats and coastal artillery (ship-killing missiles)
>no marine corps mostly out of personal dislike but also largely non-expeditionary nature of the armed forces of the principality of milwaukee
>standard battle rifle the fn fal
>standard sidearm fn 5.7
>primary function of the armed forces is ethnic cleansing operations within milwaukee
>in keeping with the traditions of the fn fal
Anyway, my country would be called the "Candy Cane Forest" and it will be located in South Eastern Europe.
>Jungle tigerstripe camo for Army and Navy, Air Force gets plain OD Green
>SCAR 17 standard issue rifle for Army, Navy and Air Force
>M240B standard light machine gun
>Standard sidearm, Walther P38 cause I feel like it
>No Marines, just Naval Infantry
>Everyone get's 10 weeks of basic combag training
>no women outside of entertainment and prositution
>All able-bodied males ages 17-45 are conscripted into the reserves automatically
>minimum age is 17, 16 with parental consent
The Candy Cane Forest has incredibly strict immigration laws, and has an automatic immigration ban on anyone from a majority Islamic country.
The Candy Cane Forest is also currently assisting Russia and Assad in conducting air strikes against ISIS and the FSA. Candy Cane special forces are currently conducting missions which include targeted assassinations in Iraq, Afghanistian, Lybia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.
The Candy Cane Forest is an enemy of Israel and has Neutral relations with the US.
How do you expect to lead, if your firearm isn't as heavy as lead?
Do you expect all engagements to be within 500 yards?
It's far from retard proof. The lack of a safety disabled by something other than the trigger makes it more succeptable to tardery.
But it totally doesn't use AR lowers. Yes, it uses AR-18 lowers, but your MK. 18's are going to use a completely different reciever. Don't see how you figured that economy of scale applies.
Regarding the 249 and the 240;
Those weapons are used for heavy, suppressive fire, and it may need to be at a longer range/more accurate than the average rifleman can deliver.
I think you know what is... "Astrachia" more like "East Achia" or EAST ASIA!!
What exactly is wrong with the SCAR 17?
Oh yeah, that's right. I'm not going to get an actual response because you're an autistic child who, despite having any real experience, pretends to have a great knowledge of firearms soley by being on /k/.
Sooo... Executions in private, using a skin-absorbent poisonous gel?
Not exactly, I mean capital punishment is in use, but by lethal injection nowadays
We're not latinos, so I don't know where the "el presidente" comes from
To be honest, it seems like you should either go full on freedom loving American or full on Orwell.
Eventually, people are gonna notice all the heart attacks, and you're either going to have to fold or double down.
>The Chancellor has denounced rumors of a rebel attack on the historic Chancellor's Palace, calling it mere speculation that such a thing would happen in glorious Astrachia where our beloved Chancellor received %100 of the vote last election.
They're descended from Acadians back Astrachia was still a part of the French territory of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, so while they're technically white, they're Quebec-tier.
>Standard rifleman: 18" .308 rifle, probably piston AR or AK platform. Maybe Keltec RFB if bullpup desired.
>DMR: SVD because slavshit just fucking works.
>SAW: HCAR - modernized BAR in .30-06 using box mags or belts or whatever the modern PKM is currently
>SpecOps: .300 BLK carbines or VSS 9x39
>Sidearm of choice: 1911A2
>Camo: based flecktarn
Most of us are descended from European settlers, mostly British, so we are ~80 % caucasian. But we've never been a part of France, or any of its territories
>dat national mythos
>It might simply over-dramatize true incidents, omit important historical details, or add details for which there is no evidence; or it might simply be a fictional story that no one takes to be true literally, but contains a symbolic meaning for the nation.
>"WE BRITS NAO, NEVA FRANCH I SWERE!!"
Sure you are buddy, sure you are.
You misunderstand, no source indicates Astrachia was at any point part of France, we gained independence in 1780 from the British.
Mostly white, mind you
I simply wanted Africans to have a Prussian aesthetic. Since they're north african with significant italian influence, I figured they'd try to imitate the more successful germans and their m1936 uniforms that have been slightly modernized.
>we gained independence in 1780 from the British.
Only because Astrachia was ceded to them as part of the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, but then you rebelled after the British imposed their Estampecargot Tax, the tax on the Stamp Snail (a variant of Helix nigrozonata).
Oh, I see. That would make a great deal of sense.
The Super Duper Sherman was from a thread I posted probably a few years ago which roughly charted tank development for this fake african nation.
>Rifle: Kel-tec RDB in .308 (not the RFB because fuck you) with the improvements our Lord and Savior Ian recommended
>Sidearm: S&W M&P or CZ P09
>LMG: Full auto H-CAR with proper sized mags. or beltfed, either or.
>Uniform: Multicam battle dresses for EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS.
>Boots: Mids, probably Zephyrs - cos I gots to see dem calves boy
Here a little more detailed list of the standard issue equipment of Astrachi armed forces
M16A1 (Air force), -A3 (Army), -A4 (Marines)
M4 (Navy and Marines), M4A1 (Army)
Beretta 92FS (Army)
Colt 1911 (Marines)
Glock 17 (Air Force, MPs)
FN MAG SAW (All)
FN Minimi (All, general purpose)
M60 (Army), -E4 (Navy and Marines)
Remington 870 (All)
Adaptation of Finnish Yeger camo (Army)
Digital Woodland (Marines)
Digital Urban (Navy)
ERDL Urban (Air force
(Not taking flightsuits, work-overalls etc into account)
M9 Bayonet (All branches)
Smaller knives available for different roles
Samefagging here, my other choice:
>dmr: g3 with acog
>submachine gun: mp5
Specs can use any of the above plus: