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What would be the standard issue weapons of your armed forces? For example, Astrachia:

>M16 platform standard issue for all branches
>All branches have their signature weapon
>Army uses FN SCAR Mk. 17
>Federal Marine Corps uses M16A4 (instead of A3 and A1)
>Navy uses the HK416
>Air force uses the SA80

There's more details though, I can elaborate if asked
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>everyone has M16s
>let's give everyone something that does the same thing as an M16 or M4

1/10
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>>28644041
Different guns to differentiate between branches. Sure, not useful, maybe, but still.
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>>28644007
Standard weapon: Mosin Nagant
Standard DMR/snipe: PU sniper
Standard machine gun: Several mosin's taped together
Standard pistol: Obrez
Standard camo: Naked body covered with cosmoline
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They'd all be traps and fuck the enemy army to death
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>>28644007
>Ruger Mini-14 standard issue for all branches
>HK VP9 standard issue sidearm
>Mosin Nagant for elite sniper recon teams
>BCM Middies for our special anti-terr force
Pic related -- our flag
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>>28644007
Everybody uses the m16 because it works with no bullshit
DM guys use a AR-10 derivative
MGers use the open/closed break bolt m16 machine gun conversion

Why bother arming your soldiers with special snowflake bullshit? Also fuck left handed people.
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>>28644128
(cont...)
>All combat-vehicles are variations of Toyota trucks
>Our camouflage is pic related in BDU styling
>Total conscript army
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>>28644136
I should have explained, that different weapons are not mandatory for soldiers to use, only available for their respective branches. Basically, everyone starts with M16 and M9, and when they complete basic training they get the opportunity to learn to use different weapoons. The more you accomplish in the military, the more weapons you can get your hands on.
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One Gun to rule them all

Infantry use them stock
Marksmen get scopes
Machine gunners get heavy barrels and drum magazines

One gun, one caliber
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>Rhodesian State in Africa and Europe (RSAE)
>FAL's
>Crocodile's
>Pookies
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>>28644190
>cod, the post

Why do you hate logistics, anon?
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Home Guard/Coast Guard: Licensed copy of Galil ACE 21 and 23 in 5.56, OD and FDE for Home Guard, Stainless, navy, and black for Coast Guard, all wearing night sights.

Air Guard: M6 Survival rifles, chambered 12ga. over .223, and Sig Sauer P226Rs for defense. Reserved for pilots and crews.

Expeditionary forces: Licensed Galil ACE 23 as standard, OD and FDE, wearing VCOG's. All soldiers equipped with P226Rs.

I should point out that in my mind, the expeditionary forces are borderline SF, and rarely deployed en masse. The majority of the armed forces would be composed of the Guard Branches, who don't go beyond the countries territory unless absolutely necessary.
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>>28644291
Logistics are not a problem, at least here in Astrachia. Since most of the rifles use NATO caliber cartridges, it's no problem having multiple weapon systems. Besides, the more weapons a soldier knows how to operate, the better.
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Multiple different platforms for different branches etc

Army uses Colt CM901
Marines use CZ 2000
Reserves use AMP-69
Navy uses SU-16F
Air Forces use CAR-15
Camouflage is MTP for ground forces
Flight suits for Air Force
Navy has sort of a mix between a wetsuit and a BDU.
Good choices yeah?
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>>28644007
>Standard Weapon: M4 or some shit
>Army: M4
>Marines: Broken M4s from the army and/or sticks
>Navy: Benelli M3 or equivalent pump/semi auto. If you can shoot at it with a rifle, you can shoot at it with the deck guns. Shotguns are more than adequate for close in and belowdecks
>Air Force: Sig 226. First instinct is to go with something that has a bit more kick than 9mm but the cost + low recoil + large magazine size are a winner

Everyone loves a good battle rifle but half the point in switching to an intermediate cartridge was you can carry what, 150% more? Endurance>ballistics in real life
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>>28644086
well memed friend
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>>28644007
>signature weapon

So uh you like logistical nightmares a lot huh, anon? Might wanna go back to Call of Duty.
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>>28644456
What do you mean logistical nightmare? All guns have same caliber, every branch still uses the M16 platform, and these sigature weapons are not mandatory to use
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>>28644356
You realize there are supplies firearms need other than bullets and magazines, right? Having one common family of firearms means parts can be exchanged in the field. You're basically ensuring your armories have to stock double or more what they otherwise would have to. Not to mention having to have more and different factories, different acquisitions contracts, etc.

And what is the point of this?
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>>28644538
Not to mention armorers would need to be trained on all these firearms. You only have so much time and budget to train an armorer before sending him out in the field.
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>Sergeant! My gun broke down in the field!
>sorry lol this is an army base you're gonna have to take that rifle to the air force base 150 klicks from here if you want your gun fixed
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>>28644365
>Flight suits for Air Force
>Navy has sort of a mix between a wetsuit and a BDU.

awful. Navy needs something lightweight and flame retardant because ships can get hot as fuck and Airforce could probably use the same thing since they sure as hell aint fixing planes in air conditioning
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>>28644538
The point is that soldiers know how to operate more different weapon systems, as the military offers way more options than the ones I mentioned. And
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>>28644365
>Navy has sort of a mix between a wetsuit and a BDU.
Do you even know what a wetsuit is? And you know most Navy guys don't actually swim in the water, right? They have boats for that.

Same with the air force. Why do non-aircrew need flight suits? Even the actual air crew only wear flight suits when they're actually flying the aircraft, because get this, flight suits are fucking hot and uncomfortable as fuck.
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>>28644593
>The point is that soldiers know how to operate more different weapon systems
And how is this advantageous?
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Retro

Service Rifle: Norinco CQ-A
Service Pistol: M1911A1 clone
LMG: PKM

Uniform: ERDL clone
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>>28644577
>>28644609
In a situation like that, the armorer could offer an M16 etc. and the soldier would have no problem operating it instead
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standard rifle for all branches: Colt M4A1
standard sidearm for all branches: Glock 17
standard camouflage: Multicam BDU

standard DMR: KAC M110
standard LMG: FN M249
standard GPMG: FN M240

>mfw logistically sound
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>>28644625
You are the poster child for the benefits of state-sponsored euthanasia of the mentally less-than-able
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>>28644625
So why not just have a single standard rifle or rifle family you can actually service in the field instead of having an armory full of busted special snowflake guns?
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>>28644007
>not your imagi-nation
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>>28644653
Well, the broken guns would get delivered to be fixed (or necessary parts would be brought to them). And i.e the SA80 would be better with paratroopers than M16, but M16 is better at "multi-role" combat
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>>28644625
Then why exactly are we taking the time to evaluate and suppot all these snowflake alternative firearms?
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>>28644668
What do you mean not mine? Or was that just for the wordplay?
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>>28644190
This>>28644291
>>28644356
You are talking out of your ass. The US actually has some logistics problems with the m16 vs m4, much less completely different guns.

This is COD shitter bullshit logic
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>>28644707
The U.S maybe has some problems, but we here in Astrachia are more organized (I think). It's worked well enough so far
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>>28644692
So, the idea is to see how far the logistics train can stretch without actually providing a tangible benefit. I understand the idea of a "signature weapon" for all branches is appealing , and having troops well-rounded in terms of what weapons they can use is not a bad thing by any means, but how much benefit can there really be in fielding that many different rifles, especially versus the outright cost and extra strain on logistics?
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>>28644738
Shut the fuck up, you retarded roleplaying faggot
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>>28644738
It's not just about organization retard.There are only so many supply runs an outpost is going to get, for example. Only so much supply an armory or base is going to keep on hand. And supplies aren't consumed at the same rate. Having more parts commonality decreases the complexity of the logistics needs of a military force, which is really important in the field, especially when you factor in things like enemy action or disruptions in supply.
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>>28644771
>having troops well-rounded in terms of what weapons they can use is not a bad thing by any means
Well-roundedness does not come from having experience in multiple firearms that are virtually identical in operation.

There is an argument for cross training - like having all riflemen at least passingly familiar with how the military's sniper rifles, machine guns, etc function, but shooting an M16 and then shooting an HK416 does not make you a more well-rounded or better shooter.
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>>28644785
>this just in; Leader of Astrachia killed in a military coup
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>>28644771
>>28644787
With Astrachia being a lot smaller country than the U.S, and not operating as far from the homeland, the supply wouldn't be stretched too thin I suppose. All garrisons have capability to maintain all current service rifles, and if not, backup is not that far away

>>28644785
Wow, no need to be an asshole about this

>>28644796
And of course, knowing how to operate a 416 would be useful if co-operating with another force that uses the 416, like Norway
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>>28644853
>And of course, knowing how to operate a 416 would be useful if co-operating with another force that uses the 416, like Norway
The controls of a 416 and the M16 are virtually identical, you massive fucking retard.
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>>28644853
>spending money and logistics on equipping whole branches in different small arms, just so they can be familiar with multiple platforms
>not just teaching multiple platforms in boot camp and then providing the whole military with one of them
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>>28644898
But the operating system on 416 is the same from G36. And again, no need to be an asshole about it :D
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>>28644920
>operating system
Jesus christ. Kill yourself COD-kiddie
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>>28644917
It isn't really a problem if you have the resources to fund it. The armed forces have multiple sources of funding aside the taxation

>>28644936
The gas-piston-thingie? The way it operates is different than M16, is it not?
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>>28644853
It's just not a good idea. I know you want your fantasy army to be cool and operator and have an interesting variety of weapon so all the main characters are visually distinguishable or whatever but there are quite simply very good reasons militaries don't actually do this.
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>>28644957
>gas-piston-thingie
Do you literally, literally, get your knowledge of firearms from video games?

Please take your roleplaying back to /tg/ where it belongs. Or maybe don't, since /tg/ is still an okay board and you seem like a faggot.
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>>28644962
The Israelis seem to do just fine with wide array of different weapons?

>>28644987
Sorry, didn't google it at that moment. But it is a short-stroke-piston, so wasn't too far off, eh? And what's with the hostility, man? :D
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>>28644957
>The armed forces have multiple sources of funding aside the taxation
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>>28645017
No, not exactly, private sector, donations, and corporations that basically donate some of their products to the military
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>>28645013
The Israelis may equip different forces with different arms, but they don't do it in this retarded grab-bag manner. And they're more standardized now than they used to be. The reason they had to do this in the past was necessity; it's really only been within the past few decades that they had the ability to equip their forces with standardized arms rather than what they could get their hands on.
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>Issue Rifle(s):
Army/Army Air Corps: M16A1s with Wood furniture, M14 (1 per squad) C1A1 (1 per Squad)
Navy: M14
National Guard: BM59E, C1A1, M14
SOF: CM901
Ceremonial: 1886 Winchesters
>Carbines
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: XM177 style Mid-length
SOF: AR-18
National Guard: AC-556
Ceremonial: Trapdoor Springfield Cavalry Carbine
>DMR:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: M21 with M14E2 stocks
SOF: SR-25 MK11
National Guard: Model 656
>Sniper Rifle:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Mauser action rifles with Arisaka style bolts in .338 Lapua Mag styled after the M1903A4
SOF: AWM .338
National Guard: Various, Standard Model-70 .243 Win
>PDW:
P90
>SMG:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Sterlings in 10mm
SOF: MP5/10
National Guard: M3 Grease Gun
>Anti-Material Rifle:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Hecate II
SOF: TAC-50
National Guard: M99
>SAW
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: M14A1 with X-Products drums
SOF: M27 IAR
National Guard: Valmet 78
>LMG:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy/: Stoner 86
SOF:CETME Ameil
National Guard: Ultimax
>MMG:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy/:An M240B that looks like an M60, Why? Because fuck you that’s why
SOF: M60E6
National Guard: FN MAG
>HMG:
M2A1, M134
>Shotgun:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: Model 37D, Sterling style 12 gauge that uses Saiga mags
SOF: Rem 7188
National Guard: Various, Standard Model 37D
>Sidearm:
Army/Army Air Corps/ Navy: 1911s with no grip safety in 10mm
SOF: P220 in 10mm
National Guard: Glock 41
Ceremonial: Single Action Army in 45 Colt

Fucking fite me nerds
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>>28645013
That's not the controls that post was referring to, you retard.

>what's with the hostility, man? :D
If you can't handle being called a faggot on 4chan you should probably go back to the site you came from. I'll give you a tip, newfag - everyone on 4chan is a faggot and everyone will tell you what kind of faggot you're being.
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>>28645013
>The Israelis seem to do just fine with wide array of different weapons?
M16 and Tavor? Thats not much variety.
Pretty much all the weapons Israel is known for, aren't used anymore. The Uzi and Romat are long dead and the Glilon is only used by cops that guard the Knesset.
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>>28645067
>M16A1s with Wood furniture
Got this far before raging. You monster.
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>>28645082
>He doesnt patrol the Mojave
P L E B
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>>28644738
Nigger, if the country with the best logistics system in the world had problems, so will you.
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>>28645046
>corporations will just give us their products for free!
...why?
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>>28645067
>All this cheap outdated shit like XM177 and M14
>But also new expensive stuff like P90s and M27s
So is your military a massive poorfag or are there just some branches you really hate?
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>>28645100
To show appreciation, for one. And these companies get their profit from international markets, so they still profit, so it's not damaging to the company
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>>28645126
>XM177
>Outdated
also both
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>>28645100
Because our president said so. And he runs several firearms manufacturers.
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G36 for regular infantry, K model for Tank/Weapon crew and Paratroopers, M240 and MG36 for support.
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>>28645128
>To show appreciation, for one
Yeah, corporations aren't going to donate an army's worth of rifles or whatever just to be appreciative.

Fuck, I actually GM two different tabletop roleplaying games. In one of them, the standings of several militaries and their interactions is a major aspect of the story. And none of them are half as fucking mary sue as yours. So I reject what that other anon said up there, please don't take your faggotry over to /tg/ either.
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>>28644668
CARLOS!
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>>28645067

why bother giving the national guard different weapons than the active duty? what a waste of money
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>>28645198
I because I like Logistics nightmares
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Rifle- M4 or variant
Pistol- Glock 21

Gear-
Blue Jeans (various colors)
Multicam everything else
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>>28645143
>XM177
>Outdated
But it is senpai. It lacks a forward assist and brass deflector. Plus the whole reason it had its distinctive moderator was because they hadn't figured out carbine length gas systems yet. The XM177 was a definite WIP. If you're really sold on the whole AR carbine with carry handle thing, at least go with the newest model, the M727/733.
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>>28645196
The corporations here are not (as) money-grabbing as you'd think. Nor are they the only ones supplying our military. The government can still afford to fun most of the military, since we don't waste our money on useless things, like catering to lazy people etc
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Standard Rifle: m416
Standard SAW: m27
Standard DMR: m417
All chambered in 6.5

Standard pistol: p226

Long range snipers: r700

Emplacements will have the m2
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>>28645246
Hail our fair nation, brother.
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>>28645246
>the for-profit corporations aren't out to make money.
They're not a charity.

And this thread is seriously close to turning into /pol/.
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>The Republic of Umbubu is a small nation in a strangereal North Africa.

>Service rifle
Direct-impingement, flapper locked rifle in 6.5 Carcano (modernized in terms of propellants and bullet design). Feeds from an 18 round magazine (because Umbubu BuOrd wanted something equivalent to three clips of Carcano ammo). Issued with a 2.5x20mm scope with a single, inverted post sight.

>Helmet
American-style M1 clone, distinguished by a more sloped front for slightly better shrapnel protection

>Uniform
Knockoff of Bundewehr M1956 uniform in a three color (khaki, chocolate brown, and green) vertical lizard pattern

>Sidearm
M1911

>LMG
Belt-fed DP-28 clone in 6.5 Carcano, utilizes same 2.5x scope as rifle

>Tank
Domestically designed tank based on extensive experience with the Sherman. Used HVSS suspension, a reclining driver, and enough frontal armor to shrug off hits from 100mm AP ammo. Armed with a French 105mm gun, MG 151/20 coax, and a pintle-mounted FN MAG on the commander's cupola
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>>28645246
>The corporations here are not (as) money-grabbing as you'd think
What is this fantasy? The whole point of a corporation is to generate profit. Its only loyalty lies with is shareholders.
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>>28645046
so, taxes? Because you'll fucking kill them if they don't
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>>28645266
Nicee wordplay :D Both actual words, but together don't make much sense :D

>>28645289
>>28645296
The local for-profit companies get their profit elsewhere.
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>>28645313
Holy shit I can't tell if you're retarded or fucking with us. Can you give us a single reason WHY signature weapons would be a good idea? Because your entire nation relies on conveniences and goodwill and perfect logistics. It is absolutely separated from the real world. And stop with the :D shit, even as a shitposter.
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you are all horrible people.

except for the FAL guys. you guys are alright. the rest of you are horrible.
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>>28645347
Some of you guys are alright, Don't come to FN Herstal tomorrow
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>>28645372
kek.
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>>28645345
I'm pretty sure I can't truly convince you they're a good idea, but anyway, the signature weapons are supposed to be best for their respective branches, like the SA80 with its shorter length being better with paratroopers than the M16, or the 416 being also shorter and more reliable in the navy, and the Mk. 17 packing more punch than the M16. Most of them are the same caliber, and they're not too different from each other, so it's not as bad as it could be, eh? Another justification for it is to differentiate between branches, if you couldn't differentiate any other way. And tradition plays a small role in this, the branches have always had different weapons from each other, but that doesn't really account here, I suppose.
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>>28645442
>*drops nuke out of sympathy for the astrachian people*
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In the Kingdom of Fuckistan, we don't use guns. It will be a safe haven for all of the abused guns in the world to come and hide and have happy lives.

>will kidnap every person with Down's syndrome
>give them steroids, mexican and black sex slaves, and unlimited spaghetti o's
>arm them with rocks and clubs
>special forces gets stop signs and concrete/rebar clubs
>they will conquer

And the royal guard uses Colt C8's.

>inb4 special snowflake gun, it's cold as fuck in Greenland (aka Old Fuckistan).
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>>28644007
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Infantry/ Airborne- > IMI Galil SAR
Navy/ Coast Guard/ Riverine- > M16A2/M4
National Guard/ Special Tactics- > M4/ IMI Galil SAR
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>It was a long time coming when the Federation of Astrachia Armed Forces rose up
>The paratroopers attempted to seize the presidential airfield, but the dust kicked up by their helicopters caused their SA80s to jam, making them easy prey for the President's secret police
>The Navy attempted to infiltrate through the sewers and plumbing of the Presidential Palace, and did so successfully. However, due to the enormous costs of their signature weapon, were too few and were cut down in the tight corridors by the secret police
>However, the army was able to successfully prosecute the coup, rolling over the secret police with their tanks and large quantities of SCARs
>The churchbells rang at the madman's death, somewhere a baby eagle cried a tear of joy, and the FN SCAR became the new service rifle for all branches of the Armed Forces of Astrachia
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>>28645571
10 / 10

Death to the loyalists. I heard our former dictator was actually autistic.
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>>28644704
Play on words.
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>>28645603
Right. A good play, might I add
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Rate me

>standard infantry rifle: ak74m
>standard lmg: pkm
>standard dmr: svd and svu
>standard side arm: Browning hi power
>standard bolt action sniper: sv 98
>standard sub machine gun: mp5n

Weapons available to spec ops:

>akm
>ak100 and ak12 series in multiple calibers
>g36c
>fal
>rpk74 m and rpk
>an94
>steyr aug a2
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>>28645639
cyka/10
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>>28644704
You really must be legitimately retarded.
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>>28645313
WHY THE FUCK DO KEEP USING THE :D FACE
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>>28645770
Jesus, sorry. No need to be upset about it
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>>28645796
I WILL PISS FIRE ALL OVER YOUR VERY EXISTENCE
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>Standard rifle
Mk18, I figure that doorkickers will appreciate the shorter barrel length, and Pogs will like having a light PDW.

>DMR
SCAR 17 to replace the horrendously outdated M14.

>Sidearm
Glock 19 because it`s more or less retard proof.

>LMG
Stoner 63, SEALS loved it, it`s relatively lightweight, and economy of scale would make them cheaper to manufacture because they use AR lower receivers.

>HMG
M2, no reason to replace something thats worked so well for so long.

>SF weapons
They get to use whatever I`m not going to make that decision for them.

Enlighten me as to why the M240 and M249 are both in service /k/. Whats the advantage of having a MG in .308 when .223 will take care of most things and .50 will take care of everything else?
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>>28645846
5.56 is realistically effective out to about 600m, which is perfectly adequate for the infantry platoon.

However, in terms of what the weapons platoon of a company might be doing, it is very useful to bring the ability to engage area targets with machine guns out to 1000 yards or so.

On vehicles, 7.62 ammunition is also significantly less bulky than 12.7mm HMG ammunition which is remarkably useful for any sort of extended mission.
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>>28645046
So, uhhh... What happens when you wake up and realise Norinco has outbid your national suppliers and has basically bought your armed forces?
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>>28644007
Anyone know any good sites with fictional nation/world/flag generators or with loads of user made fictional nations like nation states, alt history sites, etc?

My creativity is garbage.
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>>28646355
How exactly would that happen?
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>>28646459
Well, I'm imagining your country as some post-Soviet shithole whose GDP is about the same as Norinco's total revenue.
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>>28646569
No, not at all, we're located a couple hundred kilometers off the U.S east coast, and we're basically doing all right in terms of GDP. Not bad, but not the best
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>>28644578
No you're misunderstanding me.
Most wetsuits I've worn were lightweight and made of some sort of composite metal and i understand the flame retardant idea but the current BDU's they wear in the US navy are in fact not flame retardant.
>>28644598
And yes i know what a wetsuit is you retard. I mean to say it's made out of the same material that i would want on it. Not just wetsuits.(That would be nasty) And dude about the flight suits. I just meant lightweight suits for ground operations and ACTUAL flightsuits for the pilots.
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>>28646643
Whoops forgot photo lol.
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>>28646626
Well, Norinco's revenue is about $65 billion, which would be alright for a small country.
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>>28646717
Well, it's not that much though, but the point is that we're not a shithole
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>>28646740
>we're not a shithole
Tell that to the CIA, they made damn sure they turned every island near America into a shithole.
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>>28644190
Thats retarded, grunts dont make arms choices, and why not train with 3 or 4 total things, instead of being tec 9 certified and cross trained in pkm, but im working on my degale brand degale merit badge.
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>>28645292
The 50's were a hell of a time.
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>>28646776
>>28646740
>>28646717
>>28646626
Fuck me, my sides
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Berretta Cx4 primary
Berretta Px4 sidearm
ASP baton carried and trenchcoat worn at all times.
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>>28646776
We've had no trouble with the U.S, on the contrary.
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>>28646626
I don't see how they can be "doing it all right," considering that you would fail out of a 100-level economics course given the level of knowledge you've displayed over the course of this thread
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>>28646818
Actually ditch the Cx4 and go Kriss Vector.>>28646818
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>>28645292
I'd replace the uniform for a something more Volksarmee, but otherwise very solid.
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>>28646826
We can afford these bad choices you've pointed out, since we don't waste our money on useless matters
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>>28646826
Give him a break, he's the el Presidente, not the el Ministro del Plomo o Plata (that's Spanish for Finance Minister)
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>>28646856
>useless matters

Such as? I want to see how deep this rabbit hole goes
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>>28646841
They're not supposed to be fuggin gommies, instead people who were at one point an African colony and have fought people armed by fuggin gommies.

Interestingly enough, the Bundeswehr M1956 uniform is among the most copied pattern in the world
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>>28646932
>African

Italian, to explain the Carcanos
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>>28646882
Catering to immigrants or just lazy people, if you can't find a job after school, we'll put you in a job. We don't take debt, we don't give out money to other countries, to name a few.
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>>28646947
Now that we know that you're just fascist Cuba, it makes it a lot easier to critique your fictional military.
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>>28647056
I wouldn't say fascist, very rarely we've had to force people into a job, since they mostly are able to find them themselves, if that's what you meant by fascist.
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>>28646947
>Catering to immigrants
Immigrants are often a source of workers who have skills your own country lacks.

t. every Filipino nurse ever

>We don't take debt
Debt on a national level does not work the same as debt on a personal level. Getting into a modest amount of debt to pay for infrastructure that develops the economy is a really, really good idea. Plus, governments can just wait for inflation to do it's thing, then pay off the debt a hundred years later when it's worthless.

>we don't give out money to other countries
International aid usually benefits the donating country. When a gommie shithole privatises their water or power industry, it's not some African company that buys those companies and profits off the misery of poor people.

Same with building bridges or skyscrapers, a gommie shithole company can't get past the third floor before the construction site collapses from weight-bearing columns made of old banana peels.
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>>28647088
With catering to immigrants, I mean that they have to earn their keep. Basically the opposite what FInland and Sweden mostly do. We don't give out money places that would immediately waste it, like Greece in recent years, of course we help if there's a disaster or something, and since debt seems to be unavoidable, let's scratch that one out. And no, we don't sell our industries entirely to foreign companies. Nice that you help me find ways to improve Astrachia even further
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>>28644007

It wouldn't have any government armed forces.
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>>28644738
Yea in a country that doesnt exist retard
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>>28647174
>And no, we don't sell our industries entirely to foreign companies.
Wait, so you're a gommie country now?!
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>>28647214
tbf senpai, that's a reasonable description of Japanese companies, and it's not like this idiot has been claiming to be lolbertarian while doing all these things
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>>28647214
I suppose we could be said somewhat socialistic, since we pursue the benefit of our people
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>>28647238
What does your secret service carry? Do you carry?
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>>28647272
They carry the H&K USP chambered in .40 S&W. I don't personally carry on the job, but I enjoy time on the range with my 1911
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>milwaukee now an independent and princely city-state
>small navy of coastal patrol boats and coastal artillery (ship-killing missiles)
>no marine corps mostly out of personal dislike but also largely non-expeditionary nature of the armed forces of the principality of milwaukee
>standard battle rifle the fn fal
>standard sidearm fn 5.7
>primary function of the armed forces is ethnic cleansing operations within milwaukee
>in keeping with the traditions of the fn fal
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>>28647298
Something like this?
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>>28647384
No, just an ordinary, standard issue 1911
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>>28644007
Ass-trachia.
Anyway, my country would be called the "Candy Cane Forest" and it will be located in South Eastern Europe.
>Jungle tigerstripe camo for Army and Navy, Air Force gets plain OD Green
>SCAR 17 standard issue rifle for Army, Navy and Air Force
>M240B standard light machine gun
>Standard sidearm, Walther P38 cause I feel like it
>No Marines, just Naval Infantry
>Everyone get's 10 weeks of basic combag training
>no women outside of entertainment and prositution
>All able-bodied males ages 17-45 are conscripted into the reserves automatically
>minimum age is 17, 16 with parental consent
The Candy Cane Forest has incredibly strict immigration laws, and has an automatic immigration ban on anyone from a majority Islamic country.
The Candy Cane Forest is also currently assisting Russia and Assad in conducting air strikes against ISIS and the FSA. Candy Cane special forces are currently conducting missions which include targeted assassinations in Iraq, Afghanistian, Lybia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.
The Candy Cane Forest is an enemy of Israel and has Neutral relations with the US.
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>>28647406
>SCAR 17 standard issue rifle for Army, Navy and Air Force
Are you 12?
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>>28647403
How do you expect to lead, if your firearm isn't as heavy as lead?
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>>28647453
With a righteous mind and steady aim towards the future
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>>28645846
>MK 18
Do you expect all engagements to be within 500 yards?

>SCAR
Agreed.

>Glock 19
It's far from retard proof. The lack of a safety disabled by something other than the trigger makes it more succeptable to tardery.

>Stoner 63
But it totally doesn't use AR lowers. Yes, it uses AR-18 lowers, but your MK. 18's are going to use a completely different reciever. Don't see how you figured that economy of scale applies.

Regarding the 249 and the 240;

Those weapons are used for heavy, suppressive fire, and it may need to be at a longer range/more accurate than the average rifleman can deliver.
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>>28645246
>>28645046
>>28647238
It's all falling into place
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>>28647486
What is?
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>>28647499
I think you know what is... "Astrachia" more like "East Achia" or EAST ASIA!!
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>>28647532
We're nowhere near Asia, we're located about 450 km east off the U.S east coast. Or do you mean figuratively?
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>>28647499
Nothing, El Presidente.
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>>28647579
Figuratively, of course. You're politically aligned with the Domino School of East Asian Communism.
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>>28647412
What exactly is wrong with the SCAR 17?
Oh yeah, that's right. I'm not going to get an actual response because you're an autistic child who, despite having any real experience, pretends to have a great knowledge of firearms soley by being on /k/.
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>>28647614
The official title would be Chancellor, and we have never, or never will, commence public executions or use gas on anyone. This is not a dictatorship here
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>>28647657
Of course, because you've already been overthrown as per >>28645571
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>>28647682
No I haven't, that was just some speculation
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>>28647657
Sooo... Executions in private, using a skin-absorbent poisonous gel?
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>>28647695
>el presidente de la ass trachia/ tardistan is actually just a senile old man milking hanpsters in a hut somewhere
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>>28647705
Not exactly, I mean capital punishment is in use, but by lethal injection nowadays

>>28647717
We're not latinos, so I don't know where the "el presidente" comes from
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>>28647705
To be honest, it seems like you should either go full on freedom loving American or full on Orwell.

Eventually, people are gonna notice all the heart attacks, and you're either going to have to fold or double down.
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>>28647741
>getting the drugs of lethal injections nowadays

Have you been following the news?
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>>28647695
>The Chancellor has denounced rumors of a rebel attack on the historic Chancellor's Palace, calling it mere speculation that such a thing would happen in glorious Astrachia where our beloved Chancellor received %100 of the vote last election.
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>>28647754
What's in the news?

>>28647762
It was more of 55-45 split
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>>28647795
Is there someplace I can read about your nation?
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>>28647821
No, at least yet, but I think I put a page of us on country creator wiki
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>Ashtraycia

>White
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>>28647848
Yep, here it is, there's not much, and some of it is now obsolete, like our currency
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>>28647870
http://countrycreate.wikia.com/wiki/Astrachia
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>>28647869
They're descended from Acadians back Astrachia was still a part of the French territory of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, so while they're technically white, they're Quebec-tier.
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>>28644007
>Standard rifleman: 18" .308 rifle, probably piston AR or AK platform. Maybe Keltec RFB if bullpup desired.
>DMR: SVD because slavshit just fucking works.
>SAW: HCAR - modernized BAR in .30-06 using box mags or belts or whatever the modern PKM is currently
>SpecOps: .300 BLK carbines or VSS 9x39

>Sidearm of choice: 1911A2

>Camo: based flecktarn
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>>28647962
>Newfies
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>>28647962
Most of us are descended from European settlers, mostly British, so we are ~80 % caucasian. But we've never been a part of France, or any of its territories
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>>28648139
>dat national mythos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_myth
>It might simply over-dramatize true incidents, omit important historical details, or add details for which there is no evidence; or it might simply be a fictional story that no one takes to be true literally,[2] but contains a symbolic meaning for the nation.
>"WE BRITS NAO, NEVA FRANCH I SWERE!!"

Sure you are buddy, sure you are.
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>>28648139
>ASTRACHIA IS WHIIIIIIIIITE
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>>28648166
now this is meta
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>>28648166
You misunderstand, no source indicates Astrachia was at any point part of France, we gained independence in 1780 from the British.

>>28648212
Mostly white, mind you
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Arstotzka laughs at puny capitalist nation.
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>>28648243
>we wuz anglos n shit
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>>28646932
I simply wanted Africans to have a Prussian aesthetic. Since they're north african with significant italian influence, I figured they'd try to imitate the more successful germans and their m1936 uniforms that have been slightly modernized.
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>>28648262
Yes, in the beginning, but over time more nationalities arrived, Germans, Finns, etc, and now we're just Astrachians
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>>28648243
>we gained independence in 1780 from the British.
Only because Astrachia was ceded to them as part of the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713, but then you rebelled after the British imposed their Estampecargot Tax, the tax on the Stamp Snail (a variant of Helix nigrozonata).
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>>28648343
Oh, I see. That would make a great deal of sense.

The Super Duper Sherman was from a thread I posted probably a few years ago which roughly charted tank development for this fake african nation.
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>>28648259
Arstotzka is best country for sure
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>>28644007
>Rifle: Kel-tec RDB in .308 (not the RFB because fuck you) with the improvements our Lord and Savior Ian recommended
>Sidearm: S&W M&P or CZ P09
>LMG: Full auto H-CAR with proper sized mags. or beltfed, either or.
>Uniform: Multicam battle dresses for EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS.
>Boots: Mids, probably Zephyrs - cos I gots to see dem calves boy
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Here a little more detailed list of the standard issue equipment of Astrachi armed forces

>Rifles
M16A1 (Air force), -A3 (Army), -A4 (Marines)
M4 (Navy and Marines), M4A1 (Army)

>Sidearms
Beretta 92FS (Army)
Colt 1911 (Marines)
Glock 17 (Air Force, MPs)

>Machine guns
FN MAG SAW (All)
FN Minimi (All, general purpose)
M60 (Army), -E4 (Navy and Marines)

>Shotguns
Remington 870 (All)

>Sniper/DMR
SVD (Army)
MK14 (Marines)
R700 (Marines)
M98 (Navy)
M82A3 (Navy)

>Camos
Adaptation of Finnish Yeger camo (Army)
Digital Woodland (Marines)
Digital Urban (Navy)
ERDL Urban (Air force
(Not taking flightsuits, work-overalls etc into account)

>Knives
M9 Bayonet (All branches)
Smaller knives available for different roles
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>>28645639
Samefagging here, my other choice:

>rifle: g36
>carbine: g36c
>lmg: mg4
>dmr: g3 with acog
>submachine gun: mp5
>pistol: vp9

Specs can use any of the above plus:
>sig 226
>sig 552
>psg1
>steyr aug
>m416
>m417
>mg36
>hk21e
>g3ka4
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