So, I'm french and want a weapon to defend myself because I will be working in a bad part of town, right next to germany and right now it's not really as safe as before.
France's gun laws aren't that bad but it would take a really long time for me to have a permit. Knives aren't really regulated so I have access to virtually any knife type.
What's the best kind of knife for self-defense in urban area /k/ ?
>pic unrelated, I typed knife in google
The type of knife that feels good in your hand Frenchy. Something with a sharp edge and easily accessible yet concealable.
With that said, one of my go to knives for not only self defense but everything else is the RAT 1 Ontario foldable. Sharp Aus 6 blade, sturdy handle and was only $20 US so when I loose it I don't really feel all that bad.
Yeah man the rat one is a badass knife.has an bitchin axis lock and full flat grind.
There are already 2 knife threads up frogfag.
>Knives aren't really regulated
You need to be more specific, the devil's in the details. Are there length restrictions, or perhaps restrictions on double-edged blades? Can you carry the knife openly or will it have to be concealed?
What's your budget?
You win knife fights by putting lots of holes in in someone in a short amount of time. Get a folding karambit like one of those fake Warren Thomas ones on Ebay, wave it. Put that in whichever pocket you want, then you should get some kind of waved tanto or daggar to put in the opposite pocket, maybe something like a Voyager, Rajah, Espada, or Spartan. Another alternative is buy a Dirk or F-S type daggar and carry that. Check your knife laws.
if you know how to fight, a knife is little better than a pen or any common item minus its literal deadliness. if you dont know how to fight, you should choose something that is more effective for scaring people off than actual combat, which little knives dont do
>Knives aren't really regulated
Dude, officially carrying a knife is forbidden. If a cop sees it he can very well take it from you, and given the current state of things with the emergency state it could be a lot more trouble.
Then again, a lot of people carry an Opinel or Swiss army knife all their life with no trouble, but a dedicated fighting knife like the one in your pic? That's asking for trouble if you have to use it.
Anyway there are no clear rules, so if a cop is on a bad mood or thinks you're shifty he can give you shit even for a one inch keychain knife.
If he just happens to like your knife he can take it and you have little to no recourse.
Not being an Arab helps with never getting controlled. But after the Paris attacks everyone is suspecting everyone and you frequently have to open up your bag or even your coat when going into stores and such.
So first, carry something non threatening like a traditional knife so if you're ever found with it you can say you have it for cutting saucisson. The Opinel comes in all shapes and sizes and can be locked open, and you can't get anymore traditional.
And second carry something cheap so if you ever have to stick someone with it you can abandon it or destroy it and GTFO.
>I'm going to use a self defense weapon that puts me within arms length of my attacker
What a ridiculous plan.
Your best bet is to do what the French are best known for and run away. That isn't a joke. There is no reason for you to stay and try and duke it out with your attacker.
>good for anything other than impressing your shithead friends at airsoft
Being a martial arts faggot and having done a lot of knife drill I have learnt several things:
>you will get cut, a lot
>you will probably get stabbed
>you will almost certainly live longer by running away
>technique and training account for 99% of your ability to survive, your weapon and luck accounts for the rest
Get a taser instead
>What's the best kind of knife for self-defense in urban area /k/ ?
Something with reach, like a machete. You aren't going to carry a machete around town, so look for something else with good reach.
The danger with a knife is that you won't be able to carry a very long one. You need a good reason for that knife according to French laws, so a small slipjoint knife should be okay if you can justify it. Trouble is that it won't be much good for self-defense.
Carry a cane. Carry an unbreakable umbrella (pic related). Put a heavy jar in a plastic bag. Fill an aluminum water bottle and put a lanyard on it. The extra reach will make a big difference. At night, carry a flashlight with a strobe option.
Honestly this. Even if you were conceal carrying a full auto MAC 10, situational awareness and knowing when to go away will get you out of most situations.
Watching your back and staying away from groups of young thugs goes a long way.
always run away from a knife fight. that being said I am a big fan of the ka-bar tdi series for self-defense. you don't need a large or expensive knife for edc but you do need super fast draw speed. I use horizontal back belt carry and sometimes a secondary on right hip both in kydex sheaths. in nearly all cases I would prefer to use knives last in self-defense situation if I was unarmed. I would prefer 1) pepper spray first, 2) hammer second, 3) knife. the main reason being is that knives have the possibility of cutting both ways and getting blood on you is evidence that is difficult or impossible to conceal on the street. whereas a hammer will likely stop an attacker cold and can be thrown away without fear of losing something valuable.
Double bladed boot knife on your belt sai. Really any knife will do it more knowing what your doing with it.
same poster: I forgot, you need to train with your carry knife regularily, preferably 10 minutes a day, once or twice a day. practice the draw and stabbing motions. it will still take months or years to become safe and effective with blades so start today, even a kitchen knife is good to start with. start wearing strong lightweight boots and thicker clothes to help deflect the pain of impacts too. also try to wear cut resistant gloves while on the move, the first things you will use to defend yourself are your hands and against other blade wielding attackers the first things that will get hit by enemies.
Are you stupid?i could bet any out of money I could put my boot kinfe out quicker then you with even a spring assist. Maybe,actually learn? What your talking about you massive faggot.
>but some fsggot told me on YouTube!!
the laws of physics, speed, and range of motion shows you 1000% wrong and likely to get OP killed in a real attack essp. with adrenaline pumping and only gross motor skill movements.
if you're REALLY into the idea of getting a solid knife, the best "modern" knife on the market would have to be a dive knife
It's more expensive than your conventional knife, but I would say it would be pretty worth it in a stab-off
>Case studies show that only blades that don't lock open are tolerated.
Well that sucks. I guess OP's gonna have to carry illegally if he wants a proper blade.
Maybe he ought to go with one of those zombie blades all the chavs are raving about.
>Using a weapon for intimidation is not comparable to using a weapon for intimidation
While you're explaining that you may as well go ahead and explain what "literal deadliness" is and why it apparently shouldn't be a metric when measuring the effectiveness of a weapon.
a deadly weapon is a deadly weapon. how do you expect the average height 5'5 130 lbs eurofag to scare off a mob of syrians that is in his country after trekking on foot a thousand miles from a war zone they survived in for up to 5 years? a pretty smile?
this isnt a video game. you arent silently walking up behind someone a slashing their throat then walking back into the shadows. all the motions of a knife fight can be mimicked with another studded weapon, minus any actual killing maneuvers. in combat there is deter/hurt, maim, kill, and a knife only comes into play at kill, when you can end a fight at both hurt and maim as well.
and any with martial arts experience would collude; if you have confidence in your ability, the actual weapon in your hand makes little difference. so yes i have no issue advocating carrying a strong pen for self defense, as if you know how to use a knife, the knife itself becomes unnecessary, and if anything the knife endangers yourself more than your opponent.
i would go into the intricacies of cqc with a blade but i dont think you would get it if you dont already have experience, but anything bigger than a 2" boot knife is unnecessary for combat, and the only reason you are using a boot knife over a pen is that providence requests preparedness, and you use the tool for the job. in the case of an experienced civilian combatant, the tool for the job of EDC can be a pen yes, while of course you still carry a blade
pens also have the benefit of being able to be left in your shirts breast pocket which is right next to your guard. a flashlight is also an excellent weapon for edc
>this isnt a video game
No shit, that's why I think the bullshit you're spewing is hilarious.
>i would go into the intricacies of cqc with a blade but i dont think you would get it
Probably not, I'm not really into MGS.
cqc being a martial arts reference so. hurt,maim,kill also being a martial arts reference. like i said, its because you wouldnt know what i was talking about that i wouldnt expand
>I don't know what I'm talking about, so I'll drop words I've seen on the internet and say you wouldn't understand what I'm talking about if I explained myself
My biggest worry with having a knife on me is having it used against me. At least with something like brass knuckles (very fucking illegal everywhere) they are much more difficult to have them taken off you in a fight.
>Good luck with this thing you never mentioned
Oooh, scathing. Good luck getting called on all the dumb shit you'll undoubtedly say in the future.
are you getting these photos from a folder on your computer or are you downloading them as you use them? and how do they have seemingly random names? how much time does something like that take
>are you getting these photos from a folder on your computer
>how do they have seemingly random names?
if you didnt get it i was mocking you for being on /k, a site for more outdoors activities, but spending apparently much of your time on the computer, which i assume is not outside
Having just a knife and swinging around into a group of arabs is not a good idea.
I'd recommend a machete, around 18''. You can keep it concealed in your backpack if you have one or you can find another way to keep it hidden.
Good for intimidation and keeping your distance, so instead of getting into knife stabbing range you can keep them further away from you with that.
Bullshit. It's a hell of a lot easier to incapacitate and damage tendons and muscles with a knife then a pen. Also, blood loss, the second you pierce a carotid it puts a countdown clock on how long they stay in the fight and takes one of there arms if they don't want to go down in less then a minute.
You're an idiot.
Good job forwarding no actual criticism. I'd love to hear you explain how you would go about severing tendons with a pen, or how your just such a bad dud you can overcome pesky things like major blood loss. Go to any MD who's done an ER rotation and ask them about what injuries they've seen and what are more difficult to treat and recover from. Of course I've probably just taken the bait.
severing tendons isnt a metric of use you call of duty faggot. neither is the point of combat to impress ER doctors. you just made up some shitty parables to red herring your shitty stance. either way it doesnt matter what you as an individual carry, because im positive you are fucked either way. blink twice
Yes I'm the cod faggot mister maim someone with a pen. You are right about the pint of combat not to impress doctors, however their profession does give them a bit of insight into human physiology and the aftermath of knife fights, something a man of even your limited intelligence should be able to understand.
>you just made up some shitty parables to red herring your shitty stance.
This right here is the real kicker. At no point did I introduce anything not pertaining to the use of knives as a means of self defense. But shouting logical fallacy is easier than coming up with actual arguments isn't it?
>all the motions of a knife fight can be mimicked with another studded weapon, minus any actual killing maneuvers. in combat there is deter/hurt, maim, kill, and a knife only comes into play at kill, when you can end a fight at both hurt and maim as well.
>and any with martial arts experience would collude; if you have confidence in your ability, the actual weapon in your hand makes little difference. so yes i have no issue advocating carrying a strong pen for self defense, as if you know how to use a knife, the knife itself becomes unnecessary
I would like you to explain how you would sever tendons with a pen, because if
>all the motions of a knife fight can be mimicked with another studded weapon
I would like to know how you'd go about mimicking the deep cut.
You made the claim, I called you out on it, you shout fallacy.
oh i see, yes many motions cannot be mimicked, like using a reverse grip to wristlock your opponent with the blade is (not immediately) lethal with a blade where with a stud like a pen its only a simple wrist lock that needs some other takedown to complement it. all being said there are no real times you are trying to cut somebodies tendons. and really the only point you made was to prove that a knife has an edge and pens dont, and edges can cut things, which is obvious and was already considered in my response. if you are inexperienced, your ability to cut and puncture are both irrelevant, and if you are experienced your ability to either cut and puncture and only puncture makes very little difference, as the deciding factor will always be your martial ability. flailing a blade around is not combat, but deterrence, and if deterrence is your goal, you should use a blade that is deterring.
i am obviously not advocating against the blade. a knife is the first (second) thing on your person at all times. but you do not carry a knife expecting to use it in combat, and you should not too quickly prefer it over other considerations.
this is what ive been saying almost verbatim. which leads me to think you are mocking me but i cant be sure. he was trying to debunk the use of a pen or etc by saying how could pens cut tendons, which is both facetious and redirecting, as nobody claimed they could
Fair enough. I'll agree that experience, training, and critical thinking are more important than weapon choice. And I would rank firearms, batons, and tasers above blades. Yet I have to disagree about the ability to cut and puncture making little difference. Adrenaline can overcome a lot, but it cannot overcome damage to the parts f the body responsible for locomotion. My belief is that it is much simpler to render a body unable to continue a fight through the use of a blade as opposed to a self defense pen.
How are the laws in France?
I know here in Germany hurting them a bit while just having a knife with me will lead to worse punishments than crippling or killing them while being unarmed (assuming they attacked me first and it wasn't just a slap in the face).
>i idolize you
You should. Maybe with a decent role model you'll learn not to talk out of your ass.
>How are the laws in France?
Pretty bad according to some frogs ITT. No locking blades and all that, apparently OP didn't do his homework.
Not that bad (as opposed to some other euro countries), but it is worst that in the past, and it will be worst in the future. Our gouvernment jump on every occasion to have stricter laws, even when this has nothing to do with legal possession of firearms, plus the European Union pushing for for a ban...
And same goes for knives, any self defense tools like baton, pepper spay... even martial arts/self defense sports.
Same also for self defense laws, who used to be pretty liberal, and is more and more strict every year (in the actual law, and it's interpretation by judges aka "jurisprudence" (precedent)).
Funny thing is, in the original declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen, there was an article 10, somewhat equivalent to the 2nd amendment.
"Every citizen has the right to have at his home(with him) weapons and to use(get) it, either for the common defense, or for his own defense, against any illegal aggression which would put in danger the life, the members or the freedom of one or several citizens"
The right for every citizen to possess arms was a human right. In the end, they did not use this article cause it was "too obvious" and no one would ever think the opposite...
Guess they were wrong.
>if you know how to use a knife, the knife itself becomes unnecessary, and if anything the knife endangers yourself more than your opponent
>i would go into the intricacies of cqc with a blade but i dont think you would get it if you dont already have experience
>anything bigger than a 2" boot knife is unnecessary for combat
Didn't read the thread.
For a defensive knife, you want something between 9-12" long. Thrusts are generally more effective than cuts, but they're harder to do under stress without training.
To that end, I suggest a kukri or a bowie knife.