Can we all agree this shotshow fucking sucks?
>nothing good really announced
>only really cool guns being shown are ones we already knew about if you didn't live under a rock
>no new fancy gear except everyone loves laser cut and molle is passe
>oh S&S has a new plateframe vest available that is less dogshit than the last one, I guess
>eotech is releasing a 1-6x short dot with a shitty name (Vudu)
>elcan is making a non-POI shifting holographic sight
>no new cool night vision and thermal technologies announced
>absolutely zero cool things in the optics world
>surefire booth is dry and missing shit they showed in the year past that was cooler than this stuff
>oh look at us a variable beam width flashlight INNOVATION
>Steiner has a new DBAL unit with a flashlight installed but it looks like it has a hyperdrive engine and will be featured in Star Wars Episode 8
there is only one good thing to come out of shot this year so far
>Larry Vickers complete fanny flustering booty brutalization where he doesn't get recognized and throws a fucking hissy fit online
>turns out the pistol is also complete fucking garbage anyways, so it didn't need a manchild tantrum
Some pretty great things came out of shotshow 2bh.
>ARES Defense MCR
>2 new offerings from STI
>New CZ BREN
>New CZ Skorpion Carbine
>New Dan Wesson and competition offerings from CZ
>Full-sized Sphinx SDP
>Kriss Vector in 10mm
>RDB accessories and ban-state compliant models
>More info on Desert Tech MDR
>Kahr M1 Carbines
...And then some.
>implying that most of that shit didn't already exist and was announced way prior to shot
Especially if you think the X95 is "new" you need to get out from under your fucking rock.
Sorry thay you're retarded.
I'm talking about things that have been confirmed from shot show. I know the X95 has been around for a long time, but IWI was hinting off and on about it coming to the civilian market.
One of the main reasons I haven't bought a Tavor yet is that shitty fucking mag release.
>Ruger wouldn't let me film my youtube videos how I wanted to!
Wow, I thought fucking delta operators were supposed to be able to overcome and adapt. What a fucking clown.
When will tacticool old farts who shit their opinions down like they're gospel fall out of vogue in the firearms community?
I don't even fucking like Ruger, but god damn.
>pretty much the largest firearms manufacturer in the continental US
>LOL LAUGHING STOCK
I bet the piles of money they sleep on is a coping mechanism for the insufferable shame of being associated with the Ruger brand
I don't want to say it totally sucked, it just didn't have a lot of stuff I was interested in. Got an update on the Crye six12 and Radoms factory, but I'm still not holding my breath for either. The only thing I really could see myself getting is that RexZero1.
I bet ARfags and people who like optics enjoyed it.
>Didn't we just see a bunch of streetcops cleaning up bodies with minis?
>obviously tier one teams are down with minis
Not defending this autist but there are reasons nobody of consequence is using a mini
Not even close.
As much as it pains me to say it, S&W is probably the best, followed by FN USA, then Sigarms USA, then fucking Glock USA, then Beretta USA, then Ruger and all the rest of the meh-tier guns like Springfield, Colt, Winchester, Remington etc.
The biggest disappointment is that HK basically didn't show up. No news on the HK293. If it's not at SHOT 2017, I'm convinced it will never hit US shores.
The most exciting thing is probably the 10mm Vector, and that's saying something.
S&W's consumer semi-autos are incredibly bad. The M&P pistol lineup is worth picking up for the sake of APEX and other aftermarket part sets, but their rifles are a joke. Sub-Bushmaster quality at Sig prices, and while their revolvers are still high-tier, the refusal to eliminate hillary holes is inexcusable.
They are not good quality, they are meh-tier on average, ok at best.
I know it's a bad list, I don't feel bad though because I'm drinking whiskey. S&W is definitely not best, they are better than meh tier though, especially with their subsidiaries. Top tier is probably Browning but they make 90% of their shit in Japan or *Turkey*
Choosing the best large scale American manufacturer is like choosing the best type of maggot to snort.
>M&P's are bad
huhuhuh ok buddy, I'm sure your SR9 is almost the same as an SVI, also S&W rifles are usually the cheapest on the shelf with some of the better barrels for a shitty ar.
Yeah, this Shot Show was pretty terribad. There were a few cool things hear and there, but for the most part, nothing special.
The Cobalt Kinetic stuff was definitely interesting, and getting to shoot their new mag drop bolt release system was really cool. I feel like it needs a few redundancies and manual control, but even in its current iteration it worked well.
Surefire has a new Ryder MP5 model which was sweet, but not very many people use 3-lug mounts, so that will only be popular among smaller communities.
Battle Arms PDW lower was cool.
New STI and Agency Compensated guns are sweet. Didn't get a chance to shoot the STI, but the Agency shot like heaven. Excited to finally see a sight tracker glock, and it was definitely my favorite thing at SHOT.
Mega Arms' new 308 pattern was crazy lightweight.
SilencerCo's booth was fucking awesome, as usual, albeit a bit toasty on the first day. The Maxim 9 was also extremely sweet. Excited to see where it goes.
Daniel Defense has a new keymod hand guard that was comfy, and their Gen 2 ISR shot well(especially on full auto)
The stuff at the show itself was pretty mediocre, but the people are all awesome.
The Bodyguard .380 literally beats itself to death in a few hundred rounds, the full sized and compact M&P pistols as well as the shields all have attrocious, spongy triggers that make a new york police issue glock seem like a well thought out idea by comparison, the SV and Sigmas are like someone made a cheap knockoff of M&P pistols and yet the trigger is even worse and heavier.
>but at least S&W makes some desirable guns.
You and I have very different ideas of shit, a gun that does not function reliably is shit, a gun that lacks polish and is made of subpar materials but still function consistently is cheap.
The Maxim 9 got an update at this SHOT show. Supposedly, it's coming out later this year.
Don't forget Kimber's REVOLUTIONARY new introduction to the market... A snubnose .357! I can't believe no one ever made one until now!
Smith & Wesson has been making them for years!
Not to mention that theirs is over half a pound lighter than Kimber's lightest 6 shot .357 ever made, a title they only get away with because the S&W is a 5 shot.
As >>28639062 said, integral suppressor. They've been flaunting that it's able to fire any factory 9mm ammo at a hearing safe level. The integral design also makes the gun holsterable.
almost half of the posts ITT are ruger damage control goons
I think McCollum said it best, it's a refinement of the concealed snubnose and nothing more and I have to agree with him. Anything more us either hype by the company or its fanboys.
I already have an HMG STG-N on preorder but it was really cool seeing an actual prototype. It would have been neat if they had one ready for range day, I haven't seen any videos of it getting fired yet though.
>10oz of additional weight
It's lighter than the SP101 and heavier than a J-Frame
It's marketing is dumb but so far it looks like a nice alternative to the other snub nose options available, assuming the trigger, materials, and QC wont be shit
But those are made by Ruger. Pretty much your only bet if you want a good quality snubby right now is S&W, so it's nice to see a six-shooter that's not made by some shitty company like Taurus or Charter Arms. Although lately Kimber has been shitting the bed hard, so hopefully they can pull this one off. Might pick one up one day if they do.
>357 out of an LCR
It's more comfortable to shoot .357 out of a heavier gun though
And although no one carries a snubnose for capacity, having an extra shot sounds nice
I'm cautiously excited and hope that it turns out to be not shitty
I fucking love my Ruger Money bed. So fucking cozy.
In all seriousness though, I just can't fucking stand Vickers. I thought he seemed like a self absorbed dickbag, this confirmed it.
I tried and hated the Ruger American.
The fact they caused him to have such a spastic 'tism fit makes me want to give it a 2nd chance.
> grown man
> getting pooper peeved that someone hasn't heard about your youtube channel
I didn't like that fat fuck before, but this is some next level shit
Who just sold me a a ruger 22/45. I honestly had no idea who he was but god damn if he was a delta operator than I seriously think America is fucked. Special forces guys have become divas who are thin skinned pussies.
Vickers dick suckers really are delusional. Ruger doesn't need paid goons, they have satisfied customers who now enjoy the fact a fag like vickers is a button mad YouTube celebrity that got pit in his place by them. Vickers is the reason I'm going to get an sp101. I regret selling mine.
Yeah this whole thread just makes me a satisfied ruger owner.
>implying I didn't go out and buy a ruger after I heard this
Snickers pls go
So you guys wanna throw money to a gun company that actively supports gun control measures just to spite this Vickers fag?
I can't tell if all these "hur dur ruger damage control" post are a joke, or if someone is actually so light headede after sucking some youtube faggot's dick all day, they believe he is literally the center of the universe.
I mean holy shit the only one doing "damage control" here is Vickers. If you actually think a massive ass shithole corporation like ruger gives a shit about 1 butthurt youtube channel and "100k views" you are delusional.
This is worst than foodblog people expecting a free 5 star meal.
>HMG sturm gewehr
>new Glock slide
>Poland into cool guns
>Kalashnikov Concern announces Vityaz soon stalker
>sperglord vickers exposed as the spergy faggot he is and gets rump roasted
All in all, 9/10 shot show
>HE KNEW WHO I WAS AND THAT'S WHY HE HATES ME
>literally 4 seconds later
>HE DIDN'T KNOW WHO I WAS AND THAT'S WHY HE HATES ME
I have no idea who this faggot is and I hate him
from what I've been able to gather from google searches he's some sort of stolen valor queer ?
What how would they even? They're banned in the states anon, if its the American company that's knocking them off I've got bad news, its going to be another crappy build with shitty sourced parts kits.
I'm kinda excited about the fostech outdoors echo trigger, hopefully the competition will mean that that and the Binary Fire System trigger pack will get refined and the price driven down a bit.
SHOT show no longer is used to announce/release new products.
Every time someone announces a product, people go apeshit asking when X is going to be released.
When it is released (sometimes up to a year later) the underwhelming performance vs expectations leads to a fuckton of negative reviews.
Companies are instead announcing products during the regular year or at other events and just putting them up on display for the show.
Quite honestly, the main thing that smart people are using SHOT for these days are
-Booking new dealers/distributors
-Setting up orders for the new year
-Getting exposure for their company
-Parties... the fucking parties.
yeah but now it's mainly neckbeards with "a friend in the industry" and every motherfucker with a youtube channel or blog who use it as an excuse to fingerfuck products they'll probably never own and meet "celebrities" that are less than enthused.
Vortex's new AMG rifle scope
Flir is coming out with a entry level thermal spotter (6-800$)
Burris' new 4-20 H591 reticle version. A low cost option for those wanting a horus reticle in their scope.
S&B new 5-45 scope. remains to be seen whether it is truly a 5-45 or if their is a ton of tunneling.
MDR finally being priced along with conversion kits and told that itll be shipping q2 this year.
Vortex's new LH scopes.
Getting word on the Hide that Steiner finally has a fix for their t5xi line and according to killswitch it tracks perfect so once the fix starts rolling out the t5xi line will be scope to buy if you don't want to drop an extra 600+ and the 13oz weight gain for the gen2 razor.
Spuhr coming out with QD mounts
Ballpark pricing on the Scar mk20. On arfcom someone got info from the rep that it would be around low to mid 4k.
Timney 2 stage trigger for R700s
Geissele new scope mount and charging handle.
Mega arms is coming out with a 6.5cm bbl
kestrel 5 series
Magpul 700 long action stock and the stock for the magnum actions. and pricing on the 10 short action pmags (msrp 40$)
Rifles Only is coming out with suppressor carriers that can hold the suppressor while hot without melting.
Strike Ind PDW stock
Fostech also coming out with a pull&release ar15 trigger
Nigger bill ruger is dead. Ruger has its own AR line and is not anti 2nd amendment. I know it's sad that your fat ass hero was put in his place but we don't care. I love my gp100. Thing is a god Damn tank
Pick one and only one. If you think the M&P rifles are bad, you probably think the best rifle is the one that comes loaded with tacticool bling bullshit and have never serviced a rifle a day in your life.
Also, where the fuck do you show that an M&P10 is $1700+? Learn to Google, dipshit.
>we want the Vector in 10mm
Ok, here you go.
>now I want it in .50AE
Colt may only do milspec AR's, 1911's, and a few wheel guns but their QC is rock sold.
Milspec ARs with a giant chunk of metal left in the lower for no apparent reason plus an out of spec front pin and a mutilated bolt carrier and series 80 1911s and chunky ass SAAs because they left the tooling out in the rain during World War 2. Bill Ruger is a fag and his customers are dipshit fudds but nothing Ruger does comes close to Colt's serial ineptitude.
Listen, Vicker sucker, no one cares that some YouTube celeb was snubbed by an established gun brand that didn't like that he was playing Steven Spielberg all over their area.
He went full Witherspoon....never go full Witherspoon.
Lol. I don't like a shitty quisling company so therefore I'm obviously a supporter of a fat fudderator who lets himself be interviewed WaPo gun control editorials. For reference read the Ernst Mauch hagiography from back when they were trying to get smart guns into New Jersey.
Vickers is a traitor
Bill Ruger is a traitor.
Colt is a traitor for nerfing the AR
Smith and Wesson are traitors for the Hilary Hole
Remington is getting driven into the ground by Cerberus and might as well not exist. They do qualify as traitors for what they did to Marlin.
There are basically no major gun companies worth supporting financially. You either have to buy small batch artisan firearms or buy from some slimy State Owned Enterprise like Sig or CZ or FN or Arsenal. Though to be fair Switzerland, Czecha, Belgium and Bulgaria each have fairly decent gun laws by European standards. There's pretty much nothing left in terms of large scale ethical firearms companies.