>>28637689 look howmuch engineering was wasted on muzzlebreaks and flahiders when a suppressor is better at suppressing recoil and reducing flash then theres all that time wasted on fake fullauto no open bolt guns
>>28640821 Oh yeah and on the topic of short guns. Pistol caliber carbines are basically the PDWs that militaries have been looking in to. If it wasn't for SBR laws those would be a HUGE market for home defense, especially if suppressors were available. All this stuff could be ready to just put into the mil's lap if it could have been developed for the civilian market first
>>28640825 I don't know if this is accurate or just my feels, but it seems to me that firearm technology has slowed to a crawl. All the manufacturers are just optimizing preexisting designs for ergonomics and calling it a new gun.
When was the last time something truly different happened? Glock making polymer popular?
I'm sure IP trolls have a lot to do with this too. Consumer 3d printers only became a thing one a bunch of patents expired. You're still not even allowed to sell one with a heated chamber because some corp owns that "idea"
>>28640825 >If it wasn't for SBR laws those would be a HUGE market for home defense, especially if suppressors were available. Seriously, this. Imagine an America where every household has a suppressed SBR in 9mm, or (and this actually makes my penis feel funny) a suppressed SBR in 10mm. Can the world even handle that much freedom?
You'd have more options for nice backpack guns when innawoods. Up here in Canada we can get 12 inch barreled lever rifles with full stocks, or 12 inch shotguns similarly stocked. With the US market in play, there'd be more manufacturers and more innovative models. You'd be able to get modern Marble's Game Getters with 12 inch barrels for survival situations.
>>28641582 Can anyone explain why certain features and certain types of guns are so demonized, while others are not? It all just seems so arbitrary. Was there a logic behind it when these laws were passed?
>>28637759 Open bolt guns are trash anyway, the open bolt just means that your gun gets filled with debris. The only advantage is that they are a simpler design. NOTE: I don't think that open bolt firearms should be illegal, I'm only saying that a ban on open bolt guns isn't retarding small arms development because open bolt is long outdated.
>>28642131 I think what he is saying is the prohibition of alcohol. Prohibition during the 1920s created a huge black market and drove a lot of crime and violence. The NFA was an attempt to curb this violence, it failed miserably. The only way to stop the violence was to stop the market that was driving it, thus prohibition was repealed.
It all has to do with the 1934 National Firearms Act.
Suppressors are banned not because of human-oriented crime, but because of fears of poaching. Prior to 1934 the only confirmed use of a suppressor in a crime was when some men in New Jersey with suppressed rifles shot six horses and tried to extort the owner. Now bear in mind that 1 in 5 draftees in 1940 was turned away for malnutrition and you understand just how bad the situation was in the depression and the perceived threat that poaching would have on farmers, hence the need to ban suppressors.
Short barrel rifles and shotguns were partially banned as a means to a backdoor handgun ban, but also because poaching guns were usually short-barreled, and often could be disassembled quickly.
So yeah, most of the national firearms act was literally invented to make sure that starving people continued to starve instead of threatening farmer's business and "endangering our food supply."
>>28643041 This is hearsay but someone with an FFL mentioned to me a while back while you could technically build an open bolt semi auto and keep it Title 1, FTB won't approve any firearm as such for sale.
>>28643171 >Be me >Be a farmer in the 30's >Had to sell or slaughter most of my livestock to keep the fucking banks from shutting me down and seizing my property. >Luckily I've retained some of my breeders, so I might get back in the game. >Suddenly my horses start dropping around me >confusedfarmer.telegram >Turns out it's a pack of wild potato-niggers with suppressed carbines trying to scare money I don't have into their pockets. >Feds arrest them, and ban suppressors to keep shit like this from happening to others. >commie newspapers run a story about how greedy farmers are starving the masses by refusing to be bullied and extorted. >mfw
>>28643559 Not that guy but as far as I am aware that's pretty much what happened. They tried to ban handguns and added in the SBR/SBS definitions before the handgun ban got shot down but they never were removed afterwards.
>>28637759 >look how much engineering was wasted That's an incredibly simplistic thing to say, it's not as if the people who designed muzzle breaks and flashiders (regardless of the your stupid assertation that that was a waste of time) would have been off engineering things you consider to be useful.
The reason smart guns have not been advanced by the gun industry is a New Jersey law. NJ passed a law saying a few years after smart guns become "commonly commercially available," they'll be required for all handguns. That law, if it's allowed to stand and pass into effect, will likely be used as a springboard for future gun regulation. First it'll be all guns, not just handguns. And then non-smartguns will need to be retrofitted. What's that, you can't or don't want to? Then they'll need to be deactivated. Oh, and we should let the government have a backdoor so they can jam smartguns, you know, to stop criminals and school shootings...
>>28645271 I don't believe this. You are telling me that the entire gun industry, down to the last company, have a gentleman agreement to not pursue this specific technology, and that there are no defectors.
Bull. If there is demand, someone will sell it. If the gun industry was this coordinated we wouldn't be having to deal with these laws in the first place.
>>28645502 well imagine wearing a glass that shows you with a crosshair where your gun is aimed at also shows the barrel temperature and approximate remaining barrel life and how many and what type of round in the mag if safety is engaged or not... yeah it's cool.
>>28645594 >this It's very much an image game, some people still refuse to buy ruger because of the shit Bill spewed. Especially with front end costs for equipment and the amount of money that it takes to tool for production, its a lot cheaper to start second hand and produce whats already at market.
At that point if you're profitable there's not much incentive to innovate.
>>28645594 > mfw I get special legislation passed to subsidize companies to produce "anti school shooting lock" guns > mfw I'm the only company that gets the pork because the rest of the industry has "ethics" > mfw butthurt funlovers are meanies to me on the internet > mfw still no 2nd American Revolution > mfw I was a patriot all along and was just trying to get my countrymen to rise up > I'm so disappointed with you all. > mfw fuck it, I'm Oprah rich
>>28646178 Thanks, interesting article. Kinda raises more questions though. If I was the German company who manufactures the Semitic iP1, I would simply open a gun store (or pay an unscrupulous American to) that sells it. Boom, instant state wide monopoly for my product. Why hasn't this happened yet?
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