So I found I can buy a working T-72 MBT fully equipped online from the Czech Republic for $50,000. Do you think this would be the same as the last anon who wanted the irradiated hilo from russia?
The gun'll have to be demilled and you'll have to find someone willing to import it, but aside from that I can't remember anything wrong wth them.
Mortar investments has instructions on this.
>you'll have to find someone willing to import it
if it fits inside a shipping container, thats not a problem. homeland security is staffed by the same kind of people that work for the postal service.
if it doesn't fit in an overseas container, you're on your own...
Yep, that's exactly where I plan to get it
But isn't there a way to not get the gun dismantled? Wasn't it with a class III explosives license?
>putting a 20 ton tank in a shipping container
In theory there are ways to legally transport a tank with a working cannon internationally, but as just some anon, you won't be able to do it. ITAR regulations are bitch to deal with even for major corporations.
You'll have to render the gun inert in order to transport it. Once it's here, you could always fix it up again after paying for a Destructive Device tax stamp. But you'll have a hell of a time getting shells for it, so you might as well not bother.
Even if you have a FEL the importation of destructive devices (just like automatic weapons) is illegal. The most you can do with a FEL is purchase a tank with a working canon that's already in the U.S. You can purchase a tank from the Czech Republic, of course, but they will weld the breech shut and drill through the barrel at several strategic places to make the gun irreversibly inoperable to satisfy U.S. import law.
>I guess it would be a simple replacement of cut metal right?
No, they pretty much irreversibly fuck up the entire barrel, the breech, and just in general make it inoperable.
It should be fine cosmetically, but it won't be operable unless you plan to replace a lot of the parts.
Also good luck maintaining it.
I should have mentioned this, I got the full on German stubbornness in my blood; If there's a chance, I'll do it.
<----in other words
I don't mean that I'm going to be annoying about it, I just mean that I will do everything I can in my power to do it.
Here's the plan OP. You buy the tank then take an angle grinder and chop off the entire breech. Now you have a just a pipe essentially with some holes in it so it can't build up pressure. But that's not a problem for you. You take a Barrett Model 82A1 and stick that bad boy down that pipe, as far in as it will go. You align its trajectory to the tank barrel and fit it in place. Now you have... a weird vehicle.
>Grumpy /k/ommandos waiting at a post office, covered in milsurp and armed to the teeth.
>"Listen Ivan" one says to the clerk, in a thick fake Russian accent. "Television advertisement say; 'If is fitting, then is shipping'. Glorious main battle tank of Venediktov design is of fitting, so why is not of shipping?"
>"I'm sorry sir, but it is still going through customs! It is a tank..." The clerk recoils in fear as the /k/ommando glares at him. "And... My name is Steve, not Ivan..."
>"Ivan." The /k/ommando's voice was cold enough to freeze vodka, like a midsummer's evening in the Motherland, "We be of understanding how to get things done in this country."
>The /k/ommando snaps, and one of his /k/omrades slams a rifle on the table. The clerk grows paler.
>"Ivan, this is glorious rifle of Sergei Mosin design. If you be of taking, we be of looking the other way, дa?"
>"I-I-I'm sorry, s-sir. I'm afraid there is nothing I-I can do! If you'd like, I could call my manager and..." The clerk trails off as the /k/ommando raises a hand.
>"We will be of returning, Ivan. With more rifle. Then we be seeing if there is 'nothing you can do'."
If the barrel has been drilled, it could be way more than that. Patching the holes wouldn't hold up to the pressures of the original ammunition, so you might need to commission a wholly new barrel. You'd have a hard time even finding an independent machine shop with the tools to work on that scale.
I'd recommend you just half-ass the repairs and turn the cannon into a large breech-loading blackpowder gun firing solid cannon balls. No tax stamps needed, and low enough pressures that there wouldn't be much risk of a catastrophic (as in, it blows up and you die) failure of the barrel or breech.
So I guess my point is, it's in the 40-45+ ton range depending on what kind of ton.
OP here- if not the T-72, do you think I could get away with having a working gun for http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/armoured-vehicles-4/bmp-1--bvp-1--279#currency=USD
>billionaires are typically in the business of making money, not wasting it.
Oh, posh. All the bourgeoisie do is waste money. This just seems like a FUN way to waste money.
Plus, think of the oil money.
Neither. Buy a BRDM-2, much more manageable cost/shipping/maintenance-wise, plus you can easily drop a real/airshit PKM in the turret. It's really the largest thing you can buy without having to have it ruined for import (aside from a BTR-60, but I hear that they're nightmares to maintain).
>Plus, think of the oil money.
Who do you think funds ISIS and Al-Qaeda?
But he wants T-72, not Sprut.
>if it fits inside a shipping container, thats not a problem. homeland security is staffed by the same kind of people that work for the postal service.
Even if it fit, it's WAY too heavy.
Good luck if you live in the US, The ATF and other importation hoops are insane and extremely expensive and time consuming, even if demiled.
This is why most tanks in private ownership in the US are crazy expensive while the same tank in the UK is cheaper. Also why everyone who owns a tank in the US tends to be rich
>Sherman USD $500,000.00
>Sherman UK (adjusted for USD) $25,000.00 - $75,000
>M5 stuart USA price $250,000.00
>M5 stuart in UK price (adjusted for USD) $25,000.00 - $50,000.00
>T34 USA - $150,000.00 - $75,000.00
>T34 UK (adjusted to USD) $TFW the UK has better Tank and armored vehicle laws then the US
TFW the UK has better tank and armored vehicle laws then the USA
>TFW the UK has better tank and armored vehicle laws then the USA
It seems to be pretty cheap and easy in Australia, too.
I remember when I was a kid on a road trip through some country town, me and my mum stopped at a fruit and veg store, and they had a tank out front on display, for no real reason apart from they could.
Importing anything foreign, non-Australian stuff would be prohibitively expensive though, I'd wager.
Already in the works, anon.
If you got the cash and are willing to go for it My hats off to you! Congrats!!
>looking forward to seeing your T72 chew up some turf stateside
Just one thing though, also get lots of spare parts, I mean Engine / transmission components, track, sprocket rings... etc
I know from working with my old Bulldozer that these things are rugged and can be reliable, but from time to time love to break down on you when you least expect it.
Only If it happens in field your basically fucked and need to know how to fix shit on the spot as you don't have an M88 or an ARV to pull your ass back to the shop / repair station. Also you need a good shop with heavy lift capabilities as the parts such as the engine deck and other internals are fuck ton heavy,
If your good with that then Rock on Bro!!
That's a bit, yeah you might want to get a crate of spare engine and transmission parts
Yeah believe it or not but most of the world is like that, Australia actually has a shit ton of M3 Grants, Shermans, and even Matilda, Valentine , and I think a few Churchill sitting in junk yards.
The US is Cucked out in this area, Fucking pussy ass soccer moms and whore ass politicians put these shit tier laws in place to
>keep tanks out of the hands of criminals and to protect the children
The Tank owner circle is not very large and so without any good lobbing they just got thrown to the wolves.
MFW I need to spend a quarter of a mil for a vehicle that is openly worth 50k
The reason why American tanks are expensive in America is because of the fact that American tanks are almost only loaned to foreign nations and almost never surplused. It's got nothing to do with law, it's just policy.
Since policy is that they still belong to the Army, the American armor in Europe is legally considered unrecovered property.
It's one thing for there to be unrecovered property overseas, but stateside, they like to collect it. So the Shermans you see in the US market are from a pretty limited pool of inventory, either ones that were (very rarely) actually surplused, or ones reimported from countries that actually bought their Sherms from us instead of receiving them as aid, whilst a bong can buy basically any Sherm that got left there and not blow up as a target or scrapped.
The price difference between a Russian tank in Europe and in American is pretty much just what it costs to demil the gun (if this hasn't already been done) and ship it. theoretically the demilling should have been done to ITAR specs before it got removed from it's country of origin, but the dearth of intra-eurozone customs means that many people just check that line instead of actually paying to have it done.
Gun barrels are repairable if you are willing to deal with a patch and have access to a heat treat facility that can fit a 300 inch long part, but the breach ring should be replicated, not repaired, as should the breach block if it was adulterated. The rest of a Form 1 cannon remil is basically gunsmithing except the parts are big.
I say a BTR-60 on a tractor trailer parked on the side of a highway once.
I was wondering who would own a BTR-60 in Fremont? Elon Musk?
>The brand new Tesla BTR-60, powered by quad electric motors (1500 bhp, 8x the russian spec) and packs a 50 megajoule railgun by GE. Available in 2018, accepting preorders now
That's the plan, I'm going to have a big metal hangar with thick concrete floor and truck with trailer. The vehicles I will probably need would be:
transporta P50 trailer: http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/transporta-p-50-trailer-101#currency=USD
Tatra T-813: http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/tatra-t-813--kolos--111#currency=USD
Tatra T-815: http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/tatra-t-815--kolos--121#currency=USD