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>ISIS seems determined to destroy much of what's in its path as it tries to conquer more territory in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere, but it may have inadvertently saved a fleet of U.S. Air Force jets.

>Gen. David Goldfein, the Air Force's vice chief of staff, tells Defense News the rise of the Islamic State and the U.S. air campaign to fight it has prompted the service to reconsider plans to retire the A-10 ground attack jets, which first joined the Air Force fleet in 1975.

>"When we made the decision on retiring the A-10, we made those decisions prior to ISIL, we were not in Iraq, we were coming out of Afghanistan to a large extent, we didn't have a resurgent Russia," Goldfein said in an interview on "Defense News with Vago Muradian," scheduled for broadcast this weekend, according to the Defense News website.

>Goldfein's office confirmed the general's remarks to CNN.

>The revelation came a week after a report was published on the Defense One website in which Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said retirement of the A-10, nicknamed the "Warthog," would not be part of the Pentagon budget request that will be submitted to Congress in February.

>"I welcome reports that the Air Force has decided to keep the A-10 aircraft flying through fiscal year 2017, ensuring our troops have the vital close air support they need for missions around the world. Today, the A-10 fleet is playing an indispensable role in the fight against ISIL in Iraq and assisting NATO's efforts to deter Russian aggression in Eastern Europe," McCain said in a statement.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/politics/air-force-a-10-isis/index.html
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A non-CNN source for those who care:

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/air-force/2016/01/21/usaf-vice-chief-isis-russia-prompted-reconsideration--10-retirement/79053734/

This one goes a bit more into detail on the defense budget.
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>>28633249

It kills more brown people per dollar than any other weapons system in our arsenal I'd bet.
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>>28633249
Can't wait for some more BRRRRTs, Russia has been very nice to keep me up but I need more BRRRRRTs now.
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cant dirt the BRRRRRRTTTTTTT
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>>28633249
let's hope ISIS exists for some more years, and Russia doesn't quit her aggressions in the east. BBBBBRRRRRTTTTT
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If the A-10 and doing gun runs is actually a relevant role in modern military combat
Why aren't we producing a modern stealth swing wing BRRRRT
?
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ALLAHU AKBAR
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>>28634832
Yeah I copy, Delta, Uniform, Nevada, Echo, One seven niner. Green light. Over. 'BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTT!!!!!! BRRRRTTTTT, BRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTT!
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>>28633347
Unlikely, considering the vast, vast majority of strikes are PGMs, which drones do cheaper.
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>>28633347
Can't beat dem drones, mia familia
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>>28634820
>CAS
>Stealth

Even not taking into account the issue of external hardpoints, what is the point of having low radar signature if the enemy can see an hear you approaching low and slow?
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>>28633249
>resurgent russia
>goldfien
typical kike can't go a second without further tirade of lies.

You don't become air force chief of staff without working for kike scum.
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>>28633249
YES THANK YOU BASED ISIS
A-10 BEST PLANEFU ALL YEAR EVERY YEAR
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>>28634820
>swing wing

Even A-10fags and CASfags would disagree with you here.

Making something swing-wing would make it cheaper than a non-swing-wing variant, and the whole CAS debate bullshit is about "muh costs!", "muh low and slow!", "muh situational awareness!", "muh BRRRT is cheaper than Hellfires!", "muh armor!", and so on.
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>>28633249

>terrorists
>russia
>keep these things we like around
>give us more money

Every interview with a military leader
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>>28636275
>swing-wing
>cheaper than non swing-wing

what
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>>28633249
>Goldfein
>The one behind trying to downsize the military
Looks like /pol/ was right
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>>28633249
>a resurgent Russia
>and assisting NATO's efforts to deter Russian aggression in Eastern Europe

yfw A-10s are, to this day used to intimidate slav armor
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>>28636275
I have to imagine a properly done swing wing design wouldn't have outrageous cost or maintenance issues
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>>28635928
>CAS
>Stealth

I dnno how you can say this when the F-35 will be doing gun runs & CAS, while being stealth.

Add in more accurate guns that can put the rounds on target from 5 miles out, then they wouldn't be seeing or hearing jack shit.
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>>28636909
>F-35
>guns
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>>28636909
>f-35
>doing gun runs

No.
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>>28633249
When they do get around to replacing we will be replacing with slightly modified A-10
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>>28637006
>>28636921
?
Why wouldn't the F-35 be doing gun runs?
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>>28637185
-it has no armor to protect it from light weapons
-it has shit guns
-it goes too fast to put enough rounds on the target
-it has no fuel for anything else but dropping some bombs and running home
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>>28637273
>-it has no armor to protect it from light weapons
Neither does the A-10

>-it has no fuel for anything else but dropping some bombs and running home
More fuel than the A-10

The rest of your shit is just you're opinion, aka wrong
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>>28637354
>no armour
>A-10
What?
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>>28638353
>muh titanium bathtub
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anyone else think the gau would make a great naval or tracked weapon?
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>>28637273
-neither does the F-16, F/A-18 or F-15E, but they still do gun runs
-every aircraft has a gun worse than the A-10 (except the AC-130); at least the F-35's is better than previous US fast jets
-F-35s can fly at 150kts or slower if they want; A-10s crash at 120kts.
-It has 70% more fuel than the A-10
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>>28633249

>You may have survived this time, but I'll get you soon enough!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2m12przGDc

thread music
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>>28638890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySuixFGIfbE
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>>28633347
>I have zero knowledge of weaponry past the 70s
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>"D-desu senpai"
>"Feels good"
>"O my"
>"I-I'm gonna"
>"BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT"
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>>28633249
>ISIS seems determined to destroy much of what's in its path

So does the A10 my friend.

The IS is a bunch of medieval minded fucks so you need a bunch of oldschool guys, weapons and planes to fuck them up.

A10 Warthög confirmed for eternal shiney and brrrrrrt
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>>28639264

>has probably posted pictures of medieval crusaders in an anti ISIS manner
>calls ISIS medieval
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The A10 ist the aerial equivalent of some old rockstar playing an extremely distorted and skillfull version of the star spangled banner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAsbmoEt6rg
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>>28639286
Nope friend, I didnt do that. I just like the A10 very much. But as a german living in the west, I grew up with A10s from ABs Spangdalem and Bitburg flying low over my town which gave the little 80s me an incredible freedom boner fueled by my dad who was like:
>You see those, son? These are warthogs and they treat a tank like an old soda can.

And it still gives me a freedom boner when I see that these planes from a past long gone still get up and fuck shit up!

You know about those AC47s inna vietnam?

back then someone wrote a new version of Puff the magic Dragon for the Gunship

>Puff the magic dragon
>a bird of days long gone
>came to fly in the evening sky
>in a land called Vietnam


Does that give you goosebumps? Yeah? And now you know why I love the A10
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I was an FO in the army, and had several (peacetime) occasions to directly control CAS using two different aircraft: the USAF A-10, and USMC-operated F-18s. I'll abbreviate the nine-lines to give you an impression of what each was like:

>ME: blah-blah-blah
>AF: cool dude i see it [BRRRRRRRRRRRRRT] how was that
>ME: if you were a hot chick i'd marry you
>AF: who says i'm not

And...

>ME: blah-blah-blah
>MC: i'm not sure i like this ingress
>ME: it's the only corridor available
>MC: let me circle around blah-blah-blah

Ten minutes elapse and the whole nine-line has to change; send again...

>MC: i don't think target is there
>ME: it's a giant orange building literally right in front of you you're gonna be on top of it in-
WHOOSH
>ME: you just blew by it
>MC: i hope you call attack air better than you do CAS
>ME: i hope you crash your fucking jet

I love the A-10.
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>>28638627

>what is Goalkeeper CIWS
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>>28638890
>ANA imitating BRRRRRRRTTTT @2:13
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>>28635928
>Implying CAS can't be performed from fucking ridiculous ranges and altitudes now with modern PGMs
In theory, you could use an SDB to provide CAS from standoff ranges as far as 60 nmi.
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>>28635056
You can, but literally no anti drone aircraft exist yet.
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>>28637185
Because the gun runs would consist of less than 3.3 seconds of firing time from the 180 rounds in the F-35A and 4 seconds of firing time from the 220 rounds in the F-35B and F-35C.
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BRRRRRRRRRT
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>>28637354
The F-35 has no range, look it up. The VTOL system meant the fuel tank had to be removed and they didn't put it back in for the non vtol variants.
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>>28639246
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>>28639567
>close air support
>standoff from 60 miles

Are you retarded?
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>>28637185

>2016
>gun runs on ground targets

I'd have to ask why. you're better off leaving the gun ammo at home and bringing more bombs or rockets or something.
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I'll never understand why I love the A-10 so much.
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>>28639661
>HURRR DURR CLOSE MEANS U HAVE TO BE CLOSE TO THE GROUND!

Fuck off, moron
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>>28639689
Quite the explosive personality you have.
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>>28639631
An M4 Carbine has 1.9 seconds of firing time, but how often is that an issue? You're not meant to just use all 180-220 rounds all at once.

>>28639661
Not quite 60 miles, but
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>>28639321
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>>28639661
"Close" as in striking enemy targets that are close to the front lines and therefore to your own forces. Not "close" as in you actually have to be close to what you're shooting at.

CAS is in contrast with Deep Air Support (DAS), or interdiction, where you fly beyond the front lines and hit targets inside enemy territory.
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>>28639766

I know what cas is.

historically CAS is not firing weapons from dozens of miles away.
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>>28639506

Kawaii as fuck.
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>>28639787

LOLOL HISTORICALLY JETS ARE ACTUALLY NOT REAL PLANES CUZ IN WW1 LOL THEY USED ROTORS TO FLY AND ONLY ENGAGED AT LIKE 3 METRES
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>>28639750

You can put fresh magazines in an M4. You can't in an F35.
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>>28637273
>-it goes too fast to put enough rounds on the target
Just because it CAN go fast doesn't mean it HAS to go fast.
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>>28639799
Why are you being silly on purpose?
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>>28639822

why are you on 4chan on purpose?
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>>28639841
>Implying anyone is here on purpose
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>>28639799

kill yourself, you little faggot piece of shit.

You're literally worthless.

Please ban me mods, since you wont' ban little faggot nigger shitlords who troll all day. Mods are fags mods are fags mods are fags mods are fags
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>>28639854

>implying you've been here for more than 3 years using funny maymays like that
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>>28639856

i pray for (USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THIS POST)

his argument was flawless, even though he was baiting hard.
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>>28633249
>189 KB
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the dragon lives!
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>>28639800
The gun is mainly a secondary armament, akin to the last magazine. Your other magazines are your bombs and missiles.
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>>28639856
I'M NUUUUUCLEAR
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>>28639861
>2011+5
>Implying implications
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>>28639861
>2005
It's been a long ride.
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>>28633249
You have been blessed by the A-10 saving ISIS. You will sleep well but only if you say "goodnight sweet A-10 saving ISIS".
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>>28639921
No.
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>>28639567
I've been told that the SDB is not exactly ideal for CAS.
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>>28633249
That's some good news. I may be a bit of a slavboo but more than anything I'm a military enthusiast. I have personally always found the A-10 to be a marvelous and beautiful weapon.
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>>28640005
Only because it's not as cheap as a JDAM
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