Naval Special Forces

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>>28630943
Kampfschwimmer are pretty cool, but honestly I don't think they're better than SBS or certain SEAL teams.

>>28630943
If they had really wanted to defend Germany they would have shot that bitch.

>>28630943
How do you measure who is best?

>>28631007
Am I fucked up or are those nods tiny? They look quite a but smaller than pvs 14 or 15 tubes.

>>28630943
Sad but true.

>>28631089
Meant for >>28631060

>>28631089
I think they're tiny because everything else is located on the back of the helmet

Like the tubes send the info back to the shit on the helmet, and then that shit sends the image back

Or something like that

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>>28630943
how much combat experience do they have compared to seals, grom, sbs or the french frog man?

>>28631279

>finland
>relevant

nice meme, komrade.

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>>28630943
haha, no

These guys regularily train storming beaches under heavy machine gun fire, and were expected to engage russian defensive positions. They were calculated to have a 30-second lifespan in combat.

>>28630943
>Kampfschwimmer

when is the last time they actually did something?

Also, what in the fuck information are you using to deem SOF group X better than SOF group Y and Z?

I swear to god these threads are just as bad as 700 US MARINES VS 60000 SPARTANS WHO WOULD WIN

>>28631292


if you haven't heard of some SF it's not bad
it's the opposite

>>28631311
The spartans of course. they have power armour and shit.

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>>28630943
>>28631007

>Eurocuck nations pretending their uniformed swim teams are on par with any of the SEAL teams.

smhtbqhfam

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>>28631382

>only ever die because of shitty chopper pilots

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>>28631410

>>28631410
Does anyone know why devgru picked a lion for their symbol? I understand the trident on the tail obviously but I don't understand the lion.

>>28631511
Too late. That dog had to go into hiding.

>>28631546
DEVGRU has a few teams. They each have their own iconography. Not sure how they come up with it.

>>28631248
They've been around for 50 years so a lot. They are super secretive so not a lot is known about what they do.

>>28631310
You obviously dont know shit about them. They are nore elite than the KSK.

>>28631311
They have been active for the past 50 years. A former one told a newspaper a while ago about all the shit they do that doesn't even hit the news. They are as secretive as it gets none of that "muh SEALs did this and that" publicity/ego stroking bullshit

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>>28631382

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Brazilian GRUMEC are pretty cool too

>>28631717
Odd how all the sandbox guys are growing beards now. Seems more hipster than haji.

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>>28631708
If your SOF groups were doing 300 operations per month, some of them would be publicized as well.

>>28631382
>Fuck up a basic recon op due to incompetence
>All the team but one that hid rather than fight die to turboturbans
>Books and a movie about the heroism shown

SEALS OORAH

>>28631248
none

>>28631883

> Actually doing shit
> Shit goes bad every so often

vs

> never do anything
> dress up in gucci kit and pose for photos

Only lion tamers are killed by lions anon, the audience are at zero risk for harm.

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>>28631883
>actually going behind enemy lines
>gearing up for more than a photo-op
>refraining from killing talibeaner kids for the good of the cause
>Army gunships fuck off without any way of the ground team knowing

As i was saying

>>28631950
>actually going behind enemy lines
In a helicopter, far closer than they should have.

On a recon op.


>gearing up for more than a photo-op
Except, ironically they didn't. They failed to pack mission essential gear that could have saved their lives and the lives of the people that went in to save their lazy asses

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>>28631965
>In a helicopter, far closer than they should have.

> They failed to pack mission essential gear that could have saved their lives and the lives

hurr durr didn't pack an apache in case the QRF fucked off

>monday morning quarterback af

>>28632049
Or functional (but heavy ;( ) radios.

Or proper body armor.

Especially the former, which would have told them the QRF fucked off.

But no, keep blaming other people for their mistakes, cuck.

>>28630943
>germany
>best military anything
>cant even protect boarders

>>28631310
>They were calculated to have a 30-second lifespan in combat.

They sound pretty shitty senpai.

>>28631382
>photo op
>quick, everyone throw on all of your cool hsld shit!

>>28632080
Beleiving bullshit facts on /k/

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>>28631871
Considering the locations for some of them that map includes training missions. Whose to say they are the most experienced? brit sf have apparently been deployed permanently since 2001 but little info as to where or doing what.

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>>28632067
nyet, satphone is fine

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>>28632197
>doing the most shit
>not the most experienced

Please

The British are great I'm primarily talking about these EU sof shills. Fucking finland and sweden. JSOCs budget is twice that of their total combined military spending.

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>>28631248
Quite a lot in Afghanistan

>>28632455
>a picture, no numbers

so you've proven they have been to a place that looks like Afghanistan.

>>28631382
>What is the SBS?

>>28631845
You're also looking at a premier SOF posing for pictures while they aren't detailing ops in their books.

SEALs have become a joke and even their best, gold squadron, fell victim to the LOL LOOK HOW FUCKIN COOL WE ALL ARE mentality.

Notice how there aren't any "caught by bae" pictures of Delta?

>>28632049
>lol let's just land a buncha whirlybirds all close to the village n shit that'll definitely attract zero attention
>lol let's drop em off close to said village after all the fake drops lol
>lol what the fuck is an IFAK
nigger fuck off

>>28632424
>mfw picture time and i bring the wrong jacket

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>>28632636
>tfw forgot my scissors

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>>28632477
Look it up yourself, faggot. They've been there since the start of OEF
I'm not going to spoonfeed you because you're too retarded to know how to use google

Are there a lot of female officers in the U.S armed forces? I've been reading a lot of military sci-fi and there are a lot women in high positions and I can't tell if it's based on realism or if a lot of nerds like fetishizing this kind of stuff.

>>28632563
Like it or not fake drops have been around for a long time, and have been used successfully.

What people forget is that SR is dangerous as fuck, especially when the enemy knows the terrain better than you. MACV-SOG recon guys back in 'nam took over 100% casualties some years, and SR was their specialty (and pretty much sole tasking).

Also the SEALs had IFAKs. I doubt they brought a dedicated med pack.

>>28630943
>Who are the best X and why is it Y?

Who is the niggermost fag and why is it OP?

>>28632777
They're certainly a minority.

>>28632777
>women
>holding high rank for any other reason than affirmative action.

Outside of aviation and maaaaaybe medcom, women are nothing but liabilities.

>>28632900

I don't know, they made a black woman into an admiral a few months back

>>28632906
What was her branch specialty before pinning on her star?

>>28632915

from google she held the title of Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for Operations

>>28631845
Spec ops guys grow beards because they can get away with it unlike regular guys. Anyone talking about fitting in with the locals is an idiot

>>28632860
>MACV-SOG recon guys back in 'nam took over 100% casualties some years
MACV operators were also inserting into north vietnam, laos, cambodia, where 2000+ slants are waiting for less than 12 guys.

Not remotely comparable, the SEALs McFucked up.

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>>28630943
David Schwimmer, because he made them famous with his role in saving private ryan.

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FYI, a certain African nations MRS (Maritime Reaction Squadron) whooped MARSOC during Joint Accord 14 (or 13??)

MARSOC was supposed to lead a diversion on a local harbor while 101'st + local para's did a TALO op.

The 1st MARSOC team got wiped out on the beach and the second got taken out on the quays - neither made any objectives.

And it "counts" because they were using MILES.

>>28632860
Cut it with the seal damage control, your boutique unit fucked up hard, deal with it - its not like you have a personal stake like a friend who was a seal died and even so I hope this isnt how you would honor him.

Stop.

>>28631871

I can see one place on that map that should have a marker but dosent

>>28630943
I'm surprised she isn't covering up the German flags with EU logos.

What a cunt.

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>>28630943
>tfw you will never operate unnawater.
Why live?

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>>28632975
Are those denim coveralls?

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>>28632477

The krauts have an entire RC in the 'stan.
But youre not an actual soldier so I guess you wouldnt know that.

>>28630943
> Who are the best n...
It's amazing: not even 5 words into the thread and you're already fucked it up. You should get a medal or something.

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>>28633080
>Its happening

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>>28633102
>>28632724


You guys are such clowns. The point was that homeboy said they were doing "quite a lot" in Afghan.

Maybe quite a lot for a European nation, but these things are relative.

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>>28630943
>Traitor bitch Merkel

>>28633041

Not that guy, and I agree that Red Wings was a clear example of a fuck up, but I also think it's ridiculous that most of /k/ takes the position that the SEALs are completely incompetent and are only good for movies.

If they're truly as bad as everyone thinks, JSOC would have kicked DEVGRU out a long time ago.

>>28633879
I don't think I've ever seriously heard a case around here for how SEALs have issues with performance.

The only criticisms I ever see leveled against them are for their showmanship.

SF and SOF forces shouldn't display any showmanship, or write books detailing classified ops, or write a bunch of lies in a book to pass off a fuck up as a story of heroism.

I take personal offense to any asshole trying to equate a team of 4 or so white devils leading 6-8 locals literally onto the Ho Chi Minh trail to snatch prisoners to a group of our "finest" getting kicked in the cunt by ~12 fighters, after which they felt a MERICA FUCK YEAH book and movie was necessary.

and now that you fucks got me riled up on that nam shit, here you go. the last true operators

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7vsU8_bZn8

still laffing at fags not knowing that NVA had commando hunting teams specifically in place to catch these particular people.
>that means literally about a brigade of regulars waiting for your 12 man team
>they know you're coming
>they set up prime looking LZs to try to get you
but sure, those guys had it easy compared to SEALs rite?

>>28634177

I agree whole-heartedly with the showmanship. And it's fucking hypocritcal as all hell for NSW leadership to wag the finger and then fucking make Act of Valor.

But I've definitely seen a lot of /k/ posts talking about how terrible the SEALs are generally, with one guy (I think it was tripfag) going so far as to argue that they should disband them entirely and the rest of the Navy for good measure.

And to keep things in perspective, all the books, movies, video games, etc stem from the writings of a handful of SEALs, comparatively speaking, out of a pool of thousands. The problem of showmanship is definitely worse, but I personally think this stems from two issues: the bin Laden raid which guaranteed a shitload of attention and the fact that Navy leadership actually encourages this to ensure a steady stream of recruits, most of which who will drop out and become unhappy bosun's mates chipping paint until their contract runs out.