Who are the best naval special forces and why is it the Kampfschwimmer?
Kampfschwimmer are pretty cool, but honestly I don't think they're better than SBS or certain SEAL teams.
I think they're tiny because everything else is located on the back of the helmet
Like the tubes send the info back to the shit on the helmet, and then that shit sends the image back
Or something like that
how much combat experience do they have compared to seals, grom, sbs or the french frog man?
These guys regularily train storming beaches under heavy machine gun fire, and were expected to engage russian defensive positions. They were calculated to have a 30-second lifespan in combat.
when is the last time they actually did something?
Also, what in the fuck information are you using to deem SOF group X better than SOF group Y and Z?
I swear to god these threads are just as bad as 700 US MARINES VS 60000 SPARTANS WHO WOULD WIN
>Eurocuck nations pretending their uniformed swim teams are on par with any of the SEAL teams.
They have been active for the past 50 years. A former one told a newspaper a while ago about all the shit they do that doesn't even hit the news. They are as secretive as it gets none of that "muh SEALs did this and that" publicity/ego stroking bullshit
If your SOF groups were doing 300 operations per month, some of them would be publicized as well.
> Actually doing shit
> Shit goes bad every so often
> never do anything
> dress up in gucci kit and pose for photos
Only lion tamers are killed by lions anon, the audience are at zero risk for harm.
>actually going behind enemy lines
>gearing up for more than a photo-op
>refraining from killing talibeaner kids for the good of the cause
>Army gunships fuck off without any way of the ground team knowing
As i was saying
>actually going behind enemy lines
In a helicopter, far closer than they should have.
On a recon op.
>gearing up for more than a photo-op
Except, ironically they didn't. They failed to pack mission essential gear that could have saved their lives and the lives of the people that went in to save their lazy asses
>In a helicopter, far closer than they should have.
> They failed to pack mission essential gear that could have saved their lives and the lives
hurr durr didn't pack an apache in case the QRF fucked off
>monday morning quarterback af
Or functional (but heavy ;( ) radios.
Or proper body armor.
Especially the former, which would have told them the QRF fucked off.
But no, keep blaming other people for their mistakes, cuck.
Considering the locations for some of them that map includes training missions. Whose to say they are the most experienced? brit sf have apparently been deployed permanently since 2001 but little info as to where or doing what.
>doing the most shit
>not the most experienced
The British are great I'm primarily talking about these EU sof shills. Fucking finland and sweden. JSOCs budget is twice that of their total combined military spending.
Quite a lot in Afghanistan
You're also looking at a premier SOF posing for pictures while they aren't detailing ops in their books.
SEALs have become a joke and even their best, gold squadron, fell victim to the LOL LOOK HOW FUCKIN COOL WE ALL ARE mentality.
Notice how there aren't any "caught by bae" pictures of Delta?
>lol let's just land a buncha whirlybirds all close to the village n shit that'll definitely attract zero attention
>lol let's drop em off close to said village after all the fake drops lol
>lol what the fuck is an IFAK
nigger fuck off
Look it up yourself, faggot. They've been there since the start of OEF
I'm not going to spoonfeed you because you're too retarded to know how to use google
Are there a lot of female officers in the U.S armed forces? I've been reading a lot of military sci-fi and there are a lot women in high positions and I can't tell if it's based on realism or if a lot of nerds like fetishizing this kind of stuff.
Like it or not fake drops have been around for a long time, and have been used successfully.
What people forget is that SR is dangerous as fuck, especially when the enemy knows the terrain better than you. MACV-SOG recon guys back in 'nam took over 100% casualties some years, and SR was their specialty (and pretty much sole tasking).
Also the SEALs had IFAKs. I doubt they brought a dedicated med pack.
>MACV-SOG recon guys back in 'nam took over 100% casualties some years
MACV operators were also inserting into north vietnam, laos, cambodia, where 2000+ slants are waiting for less than 12 guys.
Not remotely comparable, the SEALs McFucked up.
David Schwimmer, because he made them famous with his role in saving private ryan.
FYI, a certain African nations MRS (Maritime Reaction Squadron) whooped MARSOC during Joint Accord 14 (or 13??)
MARSOC was supposed to lead a diversion on a local harbor while 101'st + local para's did a TALO op.
The 1st MARSOC team got wiped out on the beach and the second got taken out on the quays - neither made any objectives.
And it "counts" because they were using MILES.
Cut it with the seal damage control, your boutique unit fucked up hard, deal with it - its not like you have a personal stake like a friend who was a seal died and even so I hope this isnt how you would honor him.
>tfw you will never operate unnawater.
The krauts have an entire RC in the 'stan.
But youre not an actual soldier so I guess you wouldnt know that.
You guys are such clowns. The point was that homeboy said they were doing "quite a lot" in Afghan.
Maybe quite a lot for a European nation, but these things are relative.
Not that guy, and I agree that Red Wings was a clear example of a fuck up, but I also think it's ridiculous that most of /k/ takes the position that the SEALs are completely incompetent and are only good for movies.
If they're truly as bad as everyone thinks, JSOC would have kicked DEVGRU out a long time ago.
I don't think I've ever seriously heard a case around here for how SEALs have issues with performance.
The only criticisms I ever see leveled against them are for their showmanship.
SF and SOF forces shouldn't display any showmanship, or write books detailing classified ops, or write a bunch of lies in a book to pass off a fuck up as a story of heroism.
I take personal offense to any asshole trying to equate a team of 4 or so white devils leading 6-8 locals literally onto the Ho Chi Minh trail to snatch prisoners to a group of our "finest" getting kicked in the cunt by ~12 fighters, after which they felt a MERICA FUCK YEAH book and movie was necessary.
and now that you fucks got me riled up on that nam shit, here you go. the last true operators
still laffing at fags not knowing that NVA had commando hunting teams specifically in place to catch these particular people.
>that means literally about a brigade of regulars waiting for your 12 man team
>they know you're coming
>they set up prime looking LZs to try to get you
but sure, those guys had it easy compared to SEALs rite?
I agree whole-heartedly with the showmanship. And it's fucking hypocritcal as all hell for NSW leadership to wag the finger and then fucking make Act of Valor.
But I've definitely seen a lot of /k/ posts talking about how terrible the SEALs are generally, with one guy (I think it was tripfag) going so far as to argue that they should disband them entirely and the rest of the Navy for good measure.
And to keep things in perspective, all the books, movies, video games, etc stem from the writings of a handful of SEALs, comparatively speaking, out of a pool of thousands. The problem of showmanship is definitely worse, but I personally think this stems from two issues: the bin Laden raid which guaranteed a shitload of attention and the fact that Navy leadership actually encourages this to ensure a steady stream of recruits, most of which who will drop out and become unhappy bosun's mates chipping paint until their contract runs out.