You have ten seconds, literally ten seconds to explain why you don't have the best ccw gun in the world. What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'll wait. This should be entertaining.
Because I bought a P239 instead.
I really do wish Sig would make a DA/SA 9mm in the P938 size though.
I'm thinking about buying this for my... err, girlfriend.
$400 on sale. NIB.
What are some good holsters for it?
>Because I bought a P239 instead.
>I really do wish Sig would make a DA/SA 9mm in the P938 size though.
I completely agree 100%. I would buy a p239 if it were a bit more size efficient and the p224 just doesn't cut it. Fuck that thing.
I don't know, they're the same store that pays it's employees a week late, and bought a bunch of urban carry and other holsters that they haven't been able to sell.
Yeah the population of girlfriends is quite low where I live.
Anon, I don't think you get it. "She" has shot one before and loved it.
I didn't feel right in my hand. Also went with the 239 instead
Yeah, I'm 5'10 and 140 lbs and it's pretty easy to carry in a comp-tac MTAC. I'll probably just look for a smaller holster this spring or just and up picking up a Glock 43 or something for super hot temperature carry.
They're a back-alley store which was opened by the owner so he could have some fun toys to play with. Unfortunately he forgot that he still needs to pay people, and run a business.
The trigger is fucking awful. The sear is low quality stamped metal and many examples (including mine) have a lip that drags along the frame, making a heavy, gritty, and worst of all, inconsistent trigger pull. It would probably be trivial to fix, but I don't want to carry a gun that needs to be fixed before it's even usable.
Your rabid fanboy-ism is showing.
I don't like manual safeties on compact pistols. I have big hands, and am find carrying a 1911, but when it comes to small pistols like that I have trouble manipulating the safely smoothly under stress.
>this and the p225-a1 exist
fuck is sig doing
Raging pile of awkward, poorly-balanced shit and needs to be thrown back into the pits of hell
Literally just a larger P239 that takes proprietary mags. That's right, SIG decided that it wouldn't take original P225 magazines OR P239 magazines.
SIG needs to get their shit together and come out with a smaller P239 already
I was really interested in the 238 for a bit, but I just read a bunch of problems. Failures to eject, broken slide catch springs that would cause the slide to lock back randomly, and one case where the mags were denting the feed ramp and causing feeding problems. I was also considering the p224 at the time, so seeing bother the p238 and p224 being crappy really turned me off of Sigs.
Its pricey, its heavy for its capacity (borderline too big for pocket carry) and its single action only.
That said, I have also been contemplating one myself.
Its definitely on my short list along with the Colt Mustang XSP that it is modeled after, seecamp 380, LCP, NAA Guardian 380, Walther PPK and LC9.
All things considered the LCP is still the king of pocket guns; tiny, light, simple, reliable, cheap. I do like the looks of the 238/938/PPK the best though.
makes pimpin easy.
>didn't this all happen before?????
Because I prefer DA/SA sigs.
Though I will be buying a 938 in a couple of weeks.
Because I held it in a fun store and, while nice, the Kahr CM9 felt fantastic in my hands as well.
The price on the Sig killed me and I went with pic related.
Also to keep thread related. I have been carrying pic related all winter, and it has been easy.
If I lived somewhere colder where I had to wear a jacket, I could actually carry my p226.
I have carried this guy a couple of times as well, though I prefer the capacity of the P229. But its not hard to conceal a P226/P220/P227 under a flannel.
Have this very configuration. An awesome gun. Surprisingly accurate for its size. Pic related - 4x52 rounds in one visit. Then I got bored.
Damn, I just bought a P226 over a P229. I wanted another full sized handgun besides my 1911 since I already have a Glock 19 and a P239.
Eventually I'll pick up a P229 or M11.
>Oh boy, a Colt Mustang clone!
You got it wrong. P238 is, not P938.
>If I wanted a Colt Mustang, I'd buy...a Colt Mustang!
Rumors are Mustangs are crappy and overpriced these days, P238 is a better choice.
While we're shitting on everyone, can someone say something about the hawg 9mm.
I assume para ordinance sucks, but I never hear anything about them.
Seriously, who the fuck thought this color scheme was a good idea? They should have been fired immediately after suggesting it.
I mean, what the fuck.....seriously.....why? I just......I just can't.
It's a reinvention of a colt design. Colt made the Government .380 in a scaled down 1911 with a different trigger and no grip safety. Then they cut 1/4" off the barrel and called it the Mustang .380.
Sig started producing a new copy of the Government .380 called the P238. They Sigged up the slide but it's otherwise a direct copy of the Colt.
They upscaled the P238 from 9x17 to 9x19 and called it the P938. It's the same internals as the Colt, just scaled up a tiny bit.
It's personal preference anyway. Just like .357 and .38, either caliber can be fired out of a gun chambered for the other. It's a personal style thing. I have thankfully never used it but I keep my Bersa Thunder loaded with 9mm.
>Para used to be good when they were in Canada.
>then they moved to the US and production got fucked for a few years, their QC went to shit
>then Remington bought Para, surprisingly didn't fuck with them at all, and after a while Para got their shit together and started making good pistols again
>...then Remington announced they were closing the factory and firing everyone
So good > shit > good > dead
Though they are not kill yet. They're still up and running, the "integration" into Remington's Alabama plant was delayed for unknown reasons.
Also worth noting is that, unlike all the other brands Remington has raped and absorbed, they are totally killing the Para brand once production moves to the Rem plant. Para's designs will be rebranded "Remington" and Para as a name will cease to exist.
except for weight price and all around usefulness as a carry gun
The P225 is a compact version of the P220. The P220 was originally sold in 9mm, and also .45 and a few other calibres. The P225 was introduced as a compact version of those, only in 9mm. It's rather large for a 9mm.
SIG released the P239 later, which is scaled down and meant to fit the 9mm, .40, and 357 SIG. It's smaller than the P225.
SIG's "P225-A1" takes new magazines for some undeclared reason. It's still an 8rnd 9mm single-stack pistol, just like the P225 and P239, but won't take either magazines.
In the end it's just functionally a larger P239 with proprietary magazines and a higher pricetag.
It doesn't feel very good either.
I was very excited at the thought of a tactical model. But after learning my mountain of P6 magazines won't work in them, I was pretty bummed.
>the barrel is shorter, which means inherently lower accuracy of the gun.
I have one. Going to be sending it back for the 3rd time or selling it soon. I'm so tired of Sigs bullshit.
>buy P938 SAS from PSA during a sale
>safety deeply scratches frame through the anodizing and rattles
>sent to Sig and get new frame installed
>new frame has the front strap checkering mauled and the magazine release sticks
>oh and the frame to slide fit is now loose as a whore
>get totally new pistol after bitching enough
>new pistol has machining marks on the frame under the anodizing and inside the slide serrations
I will never buy another Sig again after this fucking piece of shit.
enjoy your moonie gun
The P225 is a little bit chunkier than the P239.
Aside for people who wanted them to bring the P225 back for the sake of having a P225, I really don't quite understand it's place in Sig's line up now.
Plus I have no use for rails on my P239 and don't see the need for them on a P225.
>mfw read up on how sig is going to remake p225's
>mfw see the ad for it months later
Do your own fucking homework
I've put mine through about a thousand, yes, the aluminium is showing. However, how does this affect the shootability? You're aiming down the slide/barrel combo tightly held onto the frame by a spring, it will not jiggle, and your sight line is not affected.
Just asking. I have the same concern - not planning to baby it, and wondering how long it'll live, and what to do with it then.
Ok, take two 9mm rounds and one pistol.
Take one of the rounds and shoot it in ballistics gel.
Take the other and remove the bullet, dump the powder on a piece of paper, and grind the brass down 2 millimetres. Put the powder back in, put the bullet back, and recrimp.
Shoot that into ballistics gel.
The performance will be INDISTINGUISHABLE.
Way to fucking tony. I was all over one until I saw it in person. Its like the size of a cereal box toy. I wanted to love it but I could hold the thing comfortably and shooting it was worse. Pic related is my "pocket" gun. I wish more companies made single stack compacts that were just slightly bigger
Id love a single stack glock 19
I seriously don't know why Sig hasn't tried to make one in SA/DA or at least DAO instead of their worthless Legion shit and even more P320 versions.
I mean Kimber has the Solo striker system. Just remove the faggot safety and your halfway there. Not to mention the Colt Pocket Nine despite its horrendous trigger.
"The only right bimmer is a fiver. Everything else is either too small, or too big".
Surprisingly, this stays true even as the general sizes grow - F30 is probably bigger than E28.
Keep the size up, anon. Nice mountains, too.
Dude, honestly I don't care what coloration it is. If they're actually selling P938s for 400 bucks you need to buy one RIGHT FUCKING NOW. I have a P238 and love it. I've wanted a 938 since they came out, you know why I haven't bought one yet? Because they're fucking expensive. I can't find those shits for less than 700 dollars. If I walked into a gun store and saw them selling 938s for 400 bucks I'd literally buy every single one.They may as well be giving you the gun for free and then handing you 200 dollars on top of that. Who gives a fuck if it's rainbow.
[spoiler]My P238 is in rainbow[/spoiler]
>working on anything important on a BMW without a bay and full shop tools
end my life fám
Barrel length increases mechanical accuracy due to barrel harmonics. In practice, though, shorter barrel usually = shorter sight radius, so the shooter's ability to shoot accurately is diminished. Thus leading to the wide-spread misconception that short barrels are inaccurate,
Oh! E39, the love of my life.
So far, the only BMW tool I had to actually buy was the oversized ball joint extractor for front suspension. Had the car for... probably more years than the average /k/ age is.
Even if I said no, you wouldn't believe me. You also wouldn't believe how good panties smell after soccer practice.
The only thing I dislike on that pistol is the grips. That shit looks ass against the iridescent coating. Shoulda been matte black, or the same finish as the slide and levers. I love Sig pistols, but for fuck's sake, they need to fire the guy that comes up with their aesthetics.
Except for equinox. That shit is gorgeous.
Looks fucking retarded. That grip is atrocious. How fat it is, and has no curves. What are ergonomics? Unbalanced as shit. Awkward as fuck to hold. Could not engage safety without adjusting grip. Trigger sucks and is inconsisent, sear is probably cheap bullshit stamped garbage...Too expensive for being a turd.
Fix these things and I'll think about buying one. I like the size of it, And the low bore axis. Make it look nicer and maybe give me a polymer framed version that is light as shit. Actually, just copy the colt mustang XSP but make it 9mm. kthxbai
Slightly off topic, but still in the realm of carry handguns, I have the mk25 (I bought it because I really like the look to it and not for any performance gains, same reason I will be getting the sig elite with rosewood grips and I have a Buckmark with rosewood..it's really nice looking to me) But I also have a old Star PD 45 that shoots flawlessly and is really accurate. Would either of them work for concealed carry? I don't have my permit yet but want to get it soon. The PD is smaller than the mk25 and .45 not 9mm. I use it as a glove box gun since that's legal without a permit where I live and it's already beat up a good bit. Should I look into a compact size for every day carry, you think? Since most of you do carry it would be good to hear real life stuff. Thanks
Had to send mine to sig because the mags would drop automatically while firing causing FTF all the damn time. It's a great pistol but it has its problems. I occasionally would get FTEs with shittier ammo also. It's accurate as hell- shoots like it's a bigger gun and it has really nice sights. Would recommend but test thoroughly before carrying.
Typical idiot who is too poor to own a p938, or anything pricier than a Bersa Thunder.
I own a p938, it has never ftf, the trigger is good with a clean break around 5lbs, and it is accurate as fuck, shoots like a full size. Fits my hand like a glove, and even my girlfriend says it's a pleasure to shoot.
She used to get upset as a nogunz when she would pick up a Shield, LCP, Taurus etc and I'd call it a piece of shit.
Now that she's hasgunz, she understands why I was a bit impatient with her and scoffed at garbage.
She wants a p938 now and a Baby Eagle.
Nothing wrong with the Bersa Thunder. I carried one for years before I replaced it with my P238. I wouldn't say that the Thunder is an ideal CCW but it isn't the worst option out there.
My post isn't about calling the Bersa shit, it's about the fags that can barely afford a $250 gun calling superior weapons shit because they're poor.
Grady's in Anderson was selling p938s for $550 earlier this month, which is a steal.
I paid $525 for my Etreme. Worth every penny.
I say this all the time but I carry a Glock 30SF. One day my brother-in-law let me try his Glock 21SF for giggles and grins and it concealed just the same. There was hardly any difference. Then I tried a Glock 41 and a Beretta PX4 Storm .45 full-size. They all conceal great. I promise I don't have any attachment to .45, they all just happened to be .45.
So now I am shopping for a full-size carry gun. Some people are just hell bent that they absolutely cannot carry a full-size gun. It's like a mentally imposed limit. My advice would be to give the one you like better a try. Yeah Mk25 is big but how much bigger is it than a full-size Glock? So that's my take. Follow your dreemz, man. Don't listen to the people who say you NEED a mouse gun. They are all tightly-clothed fuccbois.
Also see: https://youtu.be/47QEgTSGnbA
Because I already have this one^
not really that good, thinking of buying a Glock
>Typical idiot who is too poor to own a p938
Typical inability to comprehend what was said. He said "Too expensive for being a turd". He did not say "Can not afford this expensive turd". Sounds like he doesn't want to sink money into something he thinks sucks. And you got butt mad because he pointed out issues with a gun you own, when this is a thread designed specifically to point out reasons not to own one. So you are a typical faggot who takes it personally when someone says something negative about a product you like or own. I wonder what happens when someone says something bad about you? lol. People with tiny dicks make me laugh.
Also in addition to the thanks for the info, >>28630450
I'm 6' 4 and 225 pounds and wear 34 inch waist jeans/pants so probably a lot like that guy except slightly different build just a little so it would probably work out just as well. I will just try and see.
>into something he thinks sucks
There's the rub.
The difference between poorfags and richfags is that poorfags *think* something, and richfags say "hmm, let me see if shit they're saying is true", buy the thing, test the thing, and make their own conclusion. Then yes, they may agree, having first fucking hand experience with it and not guessing.
Also note, fiddling with something for five minutes, or even firing a couple of hundred rounds through the rental, doesn't count. You have to have prolonged, sustained experience with anything to be eligible to judge it.
STFU, buy one, and come back enlightened.
>I own a p938, it has never ftf, the trigger is good with a clean break around 5lbs
Well now I know this is bullshit since the trigger pull is rated for 7.5-8lbs. I like the P938, the trigger is heavy but very crisp, but you sound like a shilling cocksucker.
Is it that important? I too wish that the trigger was lighter - but once in a while, my finger jerks spontaneously - and the shot is fired prematurely.
It all depends on how well you're trained. People shoot just fine with much heavier DAO.
Not really, the trigger is short and crisp so the weight doesn't matter as much. I'm just pointing out that anon is lying out his ass if he says the trigger breaks at 5lbs like a normal 1911.
What you should know for it being a first handgun is you are supposed to carry 1911 style handguns cocked & locked. (One in the chamber, with the hammer cocked back). It intimidates alot of first time gun operators.
I hate safeties on carry guns, and it's too "nice" to get scuffed up every day. I like my carry gun to be like a beater car, usable yet reliable and something you don't mind getting banged up.
Fuck off faget. I carry my P938 without one in the chamber, with no magazine inserted, and locked inside a hard case. I also have the ammunition unloaded from the mag and the mag and loose ammo locked up separately as well. At least until I get used to the fact that the safety doesn't release by itself.
My EDC is a P238, but on my last range trip I had light primer strikes every single time I pulled the trigger. Scared me shitless because I'd been carrying what was more or less a small paperweight for weeks since my last time shooting.
I'm 99% sure it's because I overlubed it, I stripped the thing down and found the firing pin channel full of gunk. Cleaned it thoroughly, haven't had the chance to test it again yet. It's almost definitely my fault, but I don't know how much I trust it after that scare.
So yeah, word of warning to all the P938 owners. Fucking detail strip and clean out your firing pin channel now and then.
>So yeah, word of warning to all the P938 owners. Fucking detail strip and clean out your firing pin channel now and then.
No you retard. Next time don't overlube it like a tard. You actually lubed the firing pin, didn't you?
I actually didn't, but I'm sure some dripped in there and gummed up. I was scrubbing the fuck out of the chamber with more CLP than needed, and then wiped out the excess afterward.
Whatever, live and learn.
If they made a p239 with just a 2 finger grip I would be all over that, even if it did only have 6 rounds. But I don't see much point in carrying a p239 when it's overall height is greater than Glock 19 and grip is almost as thick. I'll take the 15 rounds over 8.
How so, I am also looking a p2000, does something make it hard to conceal?
Because of the primary purpose of it being a CC gun. Old fudds that have gone through Vietnam and Iraq said this: "you need to learn to shoot the gun you carry". 938 is a good compromise.
I shot a few other guns as well before buying it, and gotta tell that this one feels very good to shoot in comparison to bigger ones - I didn't expect it to be this comfortable. Grows on me as I keep training, too.
I held one at academy the other day. Super light and slim. But goddam it was expensive. Seems like a fun niche gun at 350ish dollars. But the browning logo almost doubles the price apparently
Para ordnance is legit as fuck. They have features that people go out ofnthwir way to look for in 1911s, the reason peope look for older para models is because those features were standard and with time they learned to put them on their higher end models. A la awesome feedramp. Implying a company that makes 1911s and nothing but 1911s is bad. Implying a company that actually improved/innovated on the 1911 design is bad.
Save up the money. Surely you know how to save money.
Not sure about where you live but you only have to be 21 by federal law to purchase from a dealer. Missouri it is 18 to buy a handgun from a private sale. You only have to be 19 to get your concealed carry here. Some states want you to be 21 because some states are just shitty with their gun laws.
It's too late though - they cornered the singlestack market and everything else is 2nd place (except, of course, the objectively superior P938)
You're a glockfag, right? hell you have to use this argument all the time to defend it
I mean, if you want to nearly double max recommended load.. do share your experiences. I used to load very hot (maybe 130% max listed load on a few calibers) but backed off when I started seeing damage to my guns. I'd share my data if I knew some bastard now short some fingers wouldn't sue me.