tavor

>>28618200
Was it ever broken?

>>28618200
Yes they did goyim

But seriously this rifle is far superior to the original tavor in every way and I will be getting one

>>28618200
>5.45x39
Why the fuck would that exist?
5.45 in AR mags?
The fuck?

>>28618215
Same, the only reason I didn't buy the original was because of the mag release. I spent a whole day at the range trying to figure out how to manipulate it and never really got comfortable with it.

I'm sort of disappointed on how the gun was made larger to fit US laws, but I like the new handguard better.

Fugly as hell

>>28618228
5.45x39 versions exist because in Ukraine a company called Fort (КП HBO "Фopт" MBC Укpaїни) makes Tavor clones on licence by IWI. As such, they've already paved the way for the 5.45 technology on the Tavor so it's an option IWI can provide to the U.S.

>>28618287
Can 5.45 even cycle out of AR mags?
Or is there a chance of a Tavor with Bakelite AK-74 goodness eventually habbening.

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>>28618297
they won't use AR mags but rather proprietary 5.45x39 magazines designed to work out of a STANAG magwell.

here's an image of the Ukrainian National Guard equipped with X-95s chambered in 5.45x39.

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>>28618338
>nead clear plastic tape to secure the mag
hope the samething don't happen to X-95 during paratrute

>>28618359
I was just about to post this image as well, which is an image of a and here's an image of a Ukrainian paratrooper deployed to Donetsk equipped with a full sized 5.45x39 Tavor

>>28618297
yeah there are ARs in 5.45x39 and they use different magazines, which just have slightly different feed lips and followers. rounds are about the same length and size though

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>>28618368
they are testing new equipment, not deloying to any where, Ukraine have virtually have no airforce

and it seen like only AZOV got X-95 and Negev

>>28618387
for full reliability the magazine shape has to be slightly different as well, most 5.45x39 AR magazines just use a 5.56 body with a modified feed lips and followers. Hopefully the 5.45x39 x95 imports will also bring new 5.45x39 magazines to the market with the correct curvature.

>>28618200
>be me
>own AR and Tavor
>mix up which mags are which and accidentally fill the wrong mag with the wrong round
>accidentally put the correct mag with the correct round in the wrong gun
>both guns get fucked up

At least they could have put a colored stripe down the middle or something.

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>>28618200
>5.45x39
>fixed

>>28618209
No
>>28618215
It is really an awesome improvement

>>28618359
thats not an X95 friendo

>>28618200
>special snowflake 5.45
>this 5.45 is being shot from a 16.5'' barrel
>fixed

>>28618531
It's a bit of a long barrel for 5.45 but it works with existing parts and isn't an SBR, so who cares

>>28618524
but this is a X-95 >>28618396
or i would say, a FORT 223

>>28618200

"And, uhh"

>>28618466
Put a dot of white out on your mag follower or something
Jesus, this isn't hard

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>>28618200
>Not selling it with the original round handguard
For shame.

>>28618396
>neo-nazi hohols using jewish weapons
top kek

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>>28618983
OP's video showed a version with a round handguard (2:50).

>>28619026
Why is the magazine upside down?

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>>28618200
>this ugly thing is the future of rifles

>>28619072
i think there is a rule where they cant keep a loaded mag in the weapon under certain circumstances.
they also have things like this for the same reason
>http://www.zahal.org/products/magazine-holder-mamach?path_parent=153453

>>28619084
implying cartridge fire has a future. implying we dont buy century old guns still

>>28619026
ugly as shit

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>>28619072
Bureaucracy I would guess. Looks like service rifles, which means they can't have loaded magazines until met with several conditions (like being in FOB or during activity etc.), so to make the photo they loaded the mags upside down to indicate it wasn't loaded.
>>28619084
> Dat young, hot sex machine
> Calling it ugly
Acquire better taste, shmok.

How much will it be?

>>28619120
>implying meme arrows aren't necessary for implying

>>28619011
It's almost like they aren't actually neo nazis

>>28619163
implying theyre called meme arrows

>>28619170
> implying that you're implying

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>>28619247

>>28619247
is it bad that I like the way the new hand-guards look?

>>28619294
FOR ALL LEGAL PURPOSES

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>>28618200
Still inferior to the M16 and M4 platforms.

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>>28618200

>Still no forward assist
>No adjustable gas
>Locking bolt to rear still clumsy
>Not lightened

Hey, keep up implementing these "fixes" every several years and maybe by 2025 they'll have something that can compete with a rifle designed in the 1960's.

Fun fact: "Tavor" is actually Hebrew for "Buyer's Remorse".

>>28618209
Nah, but you couldn't import it due it considered a SBR for some retarded reason.

X95 is cool for compactness.

If you like AR style mag release go for it.

It didnt 'fix' the Tavor.

Tavor still great rifle.

If youre too retarded to use the original mag release sucks for you.

Tim couldn't stop tweeting about this new X95 it must be good. He's at the IWI booth sighing autographs right now.

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Wake me up when the Navy Seals use the TAVOR over this.

>>28618531
whats wrong with 5.45 out of a 16 inch barrel?

>>28618531
>>28618579
>not knowing 5.45x39 was designed for a 16" barrel

newfags

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>>28619026
Am I dirty if I want more pictures of dirty, used M4's?

>>28620301
>Tim "I love sucking circumcised cocks for money" Harmsen is shilling out the tavor
How shocking

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>>28618200

>Quad rail
>2016

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>tavors already retail for close to $1800

Holy fuck, what? You can have a nice AR and a fucking acog for that much.

>>28619980
The x-95 (The authentic one) has a 13 inch barrel. Doesn't IWI have a factory state side or something? Couldn't they make civilian X-95s that mimic the length of the short one?

>>28620582
>tavors already retail for close to $1800
This isn't 2012 anymore anon. Tavors retail for $1500

>>28620582
>Expecting jews to sell anything for a reasonable price

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>Superior bullpup race coming through

>>28618200
They stopped making it out of plastic and brought it down to a 3-figure price point?

>>28618200
The older hand guards look better and more comfortable

>>28620706
see >>28619247
There will be a version with the original handguards

>>28618209

Seeing as they designed it to look like a fish before they ever actually figured out how it would work, yeah, it was pretty fucking broken.

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>>28618200
here's the actual rifle we'll be seeing, and I think it's a visual improvement

So uhh... what is different other than them releasing it in a new caliber?

>>28620677
>They stopped making it out of plastic
theres no point in complaining about this. its going to continue to be used in new rifles and handguns. best to just get over it.

>>28620776
ergonomics

>>28620758
That makes no sense.

>>28620840

Look it up. They designed its exterior before they considered how it would actually work. Only now are they actually going through the process of making a functional firearm.

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>>28618228
5.45x39 Ar15 mags work fine.
Never had a mag related failure in this gun.

>>28620904
Source? Can't find shit.

>>28618200
Wait a minute, is this the first time you hear about the X-95?

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>>28620776
No new caliber- OP's picture is around the web for years, and never seen light.
Tough the Ukrainians 'might' use in new caliber, as >>28618338 said, this was promised to included as conversion kit, but eventually got canceled (at least, the last time I checked it was canceled).

>>28620904
They did not "design its exterior before they considered how it would actually work". The guy was giving interview about importance of design in modern firearms, an brought up the Tavor as an example for a gun that was "developed with design and ergonomics in mind".
Stop being such a drama queen.

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>>28620904

I'm not your fucking intern, burden of proof is on you, shlomo.

So other than the barrel and foregrip, did they make anything else longer to reach the required OAL?

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>>28620998
MUH DICK

>>28620998
They added a buttpad.

>>28621063
Any word if it is removable or not?

>>28621074
Don't know. I hope so.

>>28620961
>>28620964
>>28620970

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/26/versia-military-design-tavor-prototype/

They most definitely put form before function.

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>>28621049
Christ, I thought the OG was pretty.

This is something else entirely. Also fuck yeah, when it comes to bullpup triggers, the only way left to go is UP.

>>28621124
Explain please? I really can't see what makes you say that.

>>28619026
No it didn't. There is no round, short handguard version, and the butt stock is longer than the real X95 too. All we get is the shitty quad-rail with rail-covers version.

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>>28621124
Again, if you weren't such a dense motherfucker, you would actually try and understand what people are talking about.
To the very least- no, design wasn't prioritized over the gun's performance. It was incorporated into the development philosophy as a feature that improves the gun.

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I would like to hear what's going on with the GL they were making for the X95/Tavor.
Anyone heard anything?

>>28620460
>dickmod
>2016

>>28618200
>$2000
>jew premium

So I have an opportunity to get a pre-ban Steyr AUG A1 through someone thats been well used but still in pretty good shape for $3250. Is it worth it?

>>28621370
yes

>>28621370
You better buy that

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>>28620460
>>28621346
mlok master race

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>>28621496
>posting vaporware

>>28621514
>Anonymous 01/20/16(Wed)16:07:38 No.28620970 ▶>>28621124
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>>>28620904
http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/01/20/desert-tech-begins-production-of-mdr-plans-for-q2-release/
>begins
>production

>>28619962
>forward assist
does it need one?

can't you just slam the charging handle forward.

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>>28621554
>$1999 msrp for the base 5.56 model

X-95 in 5.45, damn do I want one if I ever move out of this shithole.

>>28621562
Charging handle isn't fixed to the bolt, AKA, non reciprocating.

>>28621581
http://www.ammoland.com/2016/01/256862/#axzz3xpRUalNN
>MSRP for the TAVOR® X95 is $1,999.00 and the Conversion Kits are $899.00 in 5.56 NATO and 9mm and $499.00 in .300 Blackout.

7.62x39 tavor that takes AK mags when?

>>28621604
Yeah, they are both ridiculously overpriced. To the point I doubt their ability to penetrate the market in any meaningful way.

Not when you can trick the fuck out of an AR/AK including an optic for the same price.

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>>28621581
>being this poor
The .308 version is $300 more than I paid for my RFB (serial in the 200s out of ~7k today). I'd totally buy one just to be able to swap between 5.56 and 7.62. Its definitely better than a Tavor or RDB.

>>28621591
Why is this such a big deal to people? A reciprocating charging handle can double as a forward assist.

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>>28621626
>Its definitely better than a Tavor or RDB
Anon, it hasn't even hit the market yet.

I went through all the hype bullshit with the Masada already, and we all saw how the end product came out. I know how quickly these things can go south in a shitstorm.

At least the tavor has actual military use going for it so a lot of bugs got ironed out before it ever came stateside, and it still had issues.

I want the damn thing to succeed, trust me, I do. I want that sexy little SBR to tool around with.

Who knows what the actual retail will be, but if it is anywhere close to $2k, the MDR is going to have one fucking hell of an uphill battle to prove it is worth that many bones. Especially for the standard 16" 5.56 model.

>>28620582
ARs and AKs are going to be cheaper than everything. Just get over it. The MDR, ACR, MCX, SCAR, etc are all going to be at least $1500. They aren't using mass produced parts on the scale of ARs and AKs. It's just not going to be the same price. If anything is similar in price to a good AR or AK it's likely a piece of shit quality wise.

>>28621699
It's a big deal for rifles that DON'T have reciprocating charging handles, doofus.

>>28621715
>Anon, it hasn't even hit the market yet.
If its from DT I think its safe to assume the trigger wont be 12lbs, and the RDB is just a cheaper and not as nice version of the RFB.

>At least the tavor has actual military use going for it
Oh god, you're one of those faggots. So are Liberator and Nambu pistols, it doesnt mean either of those are nice guns.

>a lot of bugs got ironed out before it ever came stateside, and it still had issues.
But this one isnt made by Jews.

>Who knows what the actual retail will be, but if it is anywhere close to $2k, the MDR is going to have one fucking hell of an uphill battle to prove it is worth that many bones.
Just look at the RFB. For ~5 years they couldn't be found in stores because as soon as it went up on the shelf, it would go out the door (or on gunbroker) in less than 24 hours. If Kel-Tec of all companies can do that, I can only assume DT would be able to as well.

There is definitely a market for expensive bullpups, not as big as the AR/AK market, but its there. I'm sure this will dominate if not just for the ability to swap calibers.

>>28621778
>If its from DT I think its safe to assume the trigger wont be 12lbs, and the RDB is just a cheaper and not as nice version of the RFB.
There was all of that same sentiment about the Masada. I mean it was from Magpul, how could it possibly fail?

>liberator/nambu strawman

>the juden meme

And the RFB couldn't be found for 5 years because Kel-tec made like eight of them. The same as the PMR and all of that.

>dominate
Everyone said the same shit about the Masada.

>>28621250

Then why was the design so flawed from the start? Go watch the interview in that link and tell me you believe they actually did that. Look at the 2012 revision they designed. This is what happens when you let graphic designers build your service rifle.

>>28621842
>I mean it was from Magpul, how could it possibly fail?
Fagpul had never made a production firearm before had they? Also they never finished the design on it, and only licensed the design to Bushmaster who finished the design and produced it. So why do you keep on bringing up Fagpul? And inb4 you say Bushmaster is just as iconic as Fagpul, keep in mind this is after they sold out to the Jews on Wall Street (Freedom Group) who will cut any corner they can to make an extra shekel.

>And the RFB couldn't be found for 5 years because Kel-tec made like eight of them.
Nigger I said my serial was in the 200s out of > 7000 today. They were always available on gunbroker and could be had if you were willing to MSRP or slightly over ($1880 at the time).
http://www.thektog.org/forum/f91/highest-number-rfb-seen-date-241450/index42.html

>The same as the PMR and all of that.
I dont pay attention to their other guns so I can't comment on them.

>>28621358
>semi auto bullpup rifle
>one of the best bullpups so far
>2k
>"LE JEWS!"

>>28621370
>preban automatic for only 3k


Bitch are you mentally challenged? buy that shit.

>>28618200
>fixed
>still made by jews
>kek

>>28620658
Fuck the Australians made that look good

>>28621911
>muh jews
You're missing the point. All of the shit said about the MDR being amazing was said about the Masada. And then it hit the markets and everyone learned that the hype was all just hype.

And kel-tec is notorious for having ridiculously low production numbers. Even 7000 is pitiful considering the timeframe.

>>28622012
>And then it hit the markets and everyone learned that the hype was all just hype.
I think you're missing my point. The Masada that was hyped was an entirely different gun than the one which was released, made and designed by an entirely different company.

>And kel-tec is notorious for having ridiculously low production numbers
They make shit tons of pocket pistols. And if you watch any of the Hank Strange RDB videos, Andrew (or Chad?) from KT talks about how the RDB was designed to simplify production and costs to address this. The RFB was meant to be their flagship rifle and will remain so even after they discontinue it when the 308 RDB comes out.

And bringing up the PMR/CMR isnt exactly fair as that market is far more niche than the bullpup market. If someone wanted a high cap 22 pistol, i'm sure the only reason they'd go for a PMR over a 5.7 is due to cost.

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>>28621996

>>28619247
i must have a grabber blue bullpup. it is a moral imperative.

>>28618200
Mfw the rifle has a goy detector that locks the rifle off unless you're a pureblood kike

>>28621937
You are a moron

>>28622287
no u

>>28618200
>still ejects to the side
>fixed

Nope.

>>28620582
What do you consider a nice AR and where the hell do you get your ACOGs?

>>28618200
MFW MORE 5.45 AMMO HAHAHA

>>28619011
RIDF GTFO

>nazis
>cyborgs
>proofs

>>28622121
Ewww, never mind. What the hell were they thinking?
>sand barrel and upper
>OD stock
>black accessories

>>28619247
Is that one clear? That's awesome

>>28622860
That's just a prototype; the production ones (the ones going into ADF service) are black, with battalions able to paint them if their CO permits.

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>>28621124
lel, this concept update is fucking retarded. Looks like a video game model "hey the gun doesn't look cool enough. Add more lines and shit, make it bigger"

>>28618200
Is it half-price or something?

>>28622882
Seriously. This is more exciting to me than anything else they've shown.

>>28618338
Considering Ukraines long history of fucking with the Jews I find this picture hilarious. Any videos of slav removing slav with this gun?

>>28619049
is that a fucking tree cut out attached to his pack? I thought the puffy helmet cover was cool, but dressing up like trees? Chaim pls.

>>28618338
can anyone really deny the jews involvement in the civil war with yats the yid and now this so blatant push of jewish rifles

>>28623128
>Ukie neo nazis think Putin is a Jew and Crimea was a Jewish plot
>Russians call the Ukies zionist puppets trying to steal rightful Russian clay to murder Russian babies on
>Ukraine receives weapons/training from IDF advisors while Russia coordinates with Israel in removing kebab in Syria.
The nose knows what it wants, goy
Does IWI make the Galil or Uzi? I would cream myself for a full size Uzi with wood stock

>>28618200
Function over form, but what could be done to make bullpups more visually appealing?

>>28621937
its a semi, not an auto

>>28618200

>Make it .308
>make it have a trigger that isn't pure ass
>make it have a good barrel that can keep it MOA

I'll buy one then and only then.

>>28623436
Why not go full retard and have a 50 bmg Tavor?

>>28623458
maximum tavor eye

>>28619859
MUH M16 MUH M4!!!

when do you amerifats realize its utter fucking shit and needs to be updated QUICKLY !

>>28624153
The day it becomes true.

>so never

>>28618200
MAC pls go

Why support israeli war criminals when you can buy the DesertTech® MDR™?

>>28624153

Never, because it's not. DI is inherently superior to piston, the AR facefucks every other service rifle in terms of accuracy. It's light as all hell, cheap as dirt to procure for the government, it is the perfect rifle.

>>28624388
Why isn't there a DI bullpup? could be light af

>>28621074
it has to be, thats how you service the rifle.

>>28621626
did you say .308? The MDR will be in .308?

shawinggg

>>28622637
>giving a fuck about minorities

>>28624388
Cheap to produce but...
>the government has contracts through colt for them and pays out the ass for them because muh buddy runs a government sales section for colt so I'll get the contract set up for the military to buy our rifles through them for a bloated price to help him out and get a kickback.
That's how it actually works anon.
The government always pays at least 130% price of the item.

>>28624388
Except the HK 416 is far more reliable and accurate than the M4 and M16

>>28618209
Its weight.

>>28624764
Not that guy but both my parents are left handed. That's where the Desert Tech MDR comes out on top over the Tavor.

>>28624731
>did you say .308? The MDR will be in .308?
Yeah, they said that 2 years ago, and continue to say that today. Get out from under your rock.

>>28624792

Not the case anymore m8, they've been telling colt to fuck off for quite a while now, they get their guns way cheaper than the civilian market now. Little under $700 per rifle.

>>28624821
>more reliable
Nah, it gets less fouling. If you're shooting a dozen endless magdumps with the dirtiest slavshit ammo you might notice the difference.

>more accurate
Absolute bullshit, no other service rifle has the effective range of an m16/m4, and no company/country even claims to match it.

They're also heavier.

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>>28624969
>Absolute bullshit, no other service rifle has the effective range of an m16/m4, and no company/country even claims to match it.
Really? No country claims to match it? When did the M16 come with sights that go out to 2km?

>>28624969
That's funny because last time we had to order M4s at my unit they cost $2600 each

>>28621562
It doesn't need a forward assist.

>>28625000
lel

>>28625057

Cool shit, someone's stealing then.

As of 2012 the price per unit was $670. This was after telling colt to get fucked, because Colt jacked their prices up to $1200. An m4 has never costed $2600.

http://gearscout.militarytimes.com/2012/04/20/us-army-places-order-for-24000-m4-carbines-with-remington/

How many of you have actually fired a Tavor?

>>28625000
>Hey Yuri, look what I did. I made the range markings go out to 2 kilometers.
>Lol, those dumb farmboys from the Urals will probably believe it, too.

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>>28622994
its nerf
or nothing

>>28624764
>try to shoot around a right turn
>eat brass

>>28625630
Jesus christ it looks like garbage. They made it huge and added absolutely nothing to the design.
>hurr durr it looks cool guys

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>>28623123
That's the symbol of the "Golani" division.
You can see the same tree printed on his battalion's/company's flag (51st- The Last Samurai).

>>28618983
That's a different gun, the Micro Tavor. Smaller, more compact, pretty badass.

>>28629099
Micro tavor IS the X95.

>>28629099
The Micro Tavor IS the X95.

>>28618200
>2016
>Quad rails

How much does that thing weigh?

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>>28623128
OK, kiddo

>>28629114

Kinda but not really the X-95 is a slightly improved version of the MTAR

>>28631098
They are the same thing, you mongoloid.
http://www.israel-weapon.com/default.asp?catid=%7B184BBB3C-DBA5-445D-A83A-C73E6A6D53B4%7D

>>28620658
Now only marginally homosexual looking!

Seriously, AUG's look gay as fuck.

>>28620904
You're full of shit.

>>28624380
>War crimes
Nigger, how? Palestinians are literally sub human. They are trash that deserve everything coming to them. No other nation in the region will take them for a reason.

>>28624821
HK 416!!!!!!!!
>25% Heavier
>More small parts to break
>Less accurate (your shilling notwithstanding)
>Twice the price
>Manufacturer hates civilian gun ownership
Lol no.

>>28618359
That's why they moved the mag release on the new X95