THEY FIXED THE TAVOR
Same, the only reason I didn't buy the original was because of the mag release. I spent a whole day at the range trying to figure out how to manipulate it and never really got comfortable with it.
I'm sort of disappointed on how the gun was made larger to fit US laws, but I like the new handguard better.
5.45x39 versions exist because in Ukraine a company called Fort (КП HBO "Фopт" MBC Укpaїни) makes Tavor clones on licence by IWI. As such, they've already paved the way for the 5.45 technology on the Tavor so it's an option IWI can provide to the U.S.
they won't use AR mags but rather proprietary 5.45x39 magazines designed to work out of a STANAG magwell.
here's an image of the Ukrainian National Guard equipped with X-95s chambered in 5.45x39.
>nead clear plastic tape to secure the mag
hope the samething don't happen to X-95 during paratrute
they are testing new equipment, not deloying to any where, Ukraine have virtually have no airforce
and it seen like only AZOV got X-95 and Negev
for full reliability the magazine shape has to be slightly different as well, most 5.45x39 AR magazines just use a 5.56 body with a modified feed lips and followers. Hopefully the 5.45x39 x95 imports will also bring new 5.45x39 magazines to the market with the correct curvature.
>own AR and Tavor
>mix up which mags are which and accidentally fill the wrong mag with the wrong round
>accidentally put the correct mag with the correct round in the wrong gun
>both guns get fucked up
At least they could have put a colored stripe down the middle or something.
>Not selling it with the original round handguard
OP's video showed a version with a round handguard (2:50).
>this ugly thing is the future of rifles
i think there is a rule where they cant keep a loaded mag in the weapon under certain circumstances.
they also have things like this for the same reason
Bureaucracy I would guess. Looks like service rifles, which means they can't have loaded magazines until met with several conditions (like being in FOB or during activity etc.), so to make the photo they loaded the mags upside down to indicate it wasn't loaded.
> Dat young, hot sex machine
> Calling it ugly
Acquire better taste, shmok.
>Still no forward assist
>No adjustable gas
>Locking bolt to rear still clumsy
Hey, keep up implementing these "fixes" every several years and maybe by 2025 they'll have something that can compete with a rifle designed in the 1960's.
Fun fact: "Tavor" is actually Hebrew for "Buyer's Remorse".
X95 is cool for compactness.
If you like AR style mag release go for it.
It didnt 'fix' the Tavor.
Tavor still great rifle.
If youre too retarded to use the original mag release sucks for you.
Wake me up when the Navy Seals use the TAVOR over this.
Am I dirty if I want more pictures of dirty, used M4's?
>tavors already retail for close to $1800
Holy fuck, what? You can have a nice AR and a fucking acog for that much.
here's the actual rifle we'll be seeing, and I think it's a visual improvement
5.45x39 Ar15 mags work fine.
Never had a mag related failure in this gun.
No new caliber- OP's picture is around the web for years, and never seen light.
Tough the Ukrainians 'might' use in new caliber, as >>28618338 said, this was promised to included as conversion kit, but eventually got canceled (at least, the last time I checked it was canceled).
They did not "design its exterior before they considered how it would actually work". The guy was giving interview about importance of design in modern firearms, an brought up the Tavor as an example for a gun that was "developed with design and ergonomics in mind".
Stop being such a drama queen.
I'm not your fucking intern, burden of proof is on you, shlomo.
Christ, I thought the OG was pretty.
This is something else entirely. Also fuck yeah, when it comes to bullpup triggers, the only way left to go is UP.
Again, if you weren't such a dense motherfucker, you would actually try and understand what people are talking about.
To the very least- no, design wasn't prioritized over the gun's performance. It was incorporated into the development philosophy as a feature that improves the gun.
I would like to hear what's going on with the GL they were making for the X95/Tavor.
Anyone heard anything?
mlok master race
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Yeah, they are both ridiculously overpriced. To the point I doubt their ability to penetrate the market in any meaningful way.
Not when you can trick the fuck out of an AR/AK including an optic for the same price.
>being this poor
The .308 version is $300 more than I paid for my RFB (serial in the 200s out of ~7k today). I'd totally buy one just to be able to swap between 5.56 and 7.62. Its definitely better than a Tavor or RDB.
>Its definitely better than a Tavor or RDB
Anon, it hasn't even hit the market yet.
I went through all the hype bullshit with the Masada already, and we all saw how the end product came out. I know how quickly these things can go south in a shitstorm.
At least the tavor has actual military use going for it so a lot of bugs got ironed out before it ever came stateside, and it still had issues.
I want the damn thing to succeed, trust me, I do. I want that sexy little SBR to tool around with.
Who knows what the actual retail will be, but if it is anywhere close to $2k, the MDR is going to have one fucking hell of an uphill battle to prove it is worth that many bones. Especially for the standard 16" 5.56 model.
ARs and AKs are going to be cheaper than everything. Just get over it. The MDR, ACR, MCX, SCAR, etc are all going to be at least $1500. They aren't using mass produced parts on the scale of ARs and AKs. It's just not going to be the same price. If anything is similar in price to a good AR or AK it's likely a piece of shit quality wise.
>Anon, it hasn't even hit the market yet.
If its from DT I think its safe to assume the trigger wont be 12lbs, and the RDB is just a cheaper and not as nice version of the RFB.
>At least the tavor has actual military use going for it
Oh god, you're one of those faggots. So are Liberator and Nambu pistols, it doesnt mean either of those are nice guns.
>a lot of bugs got ironed out before it ever came stateside, and it still had issues.
But this one isnt made by Jews.
>Who knows what the actual retail will be, but if it is anywhere close to $2k, the MDR is going to have one fucking hell of an uphill battle to prove it is worth that many bones.
Just look at the RFB. For ~5 years they couldn't be found in stores because as soon as it went up on the shelf, it would go out the door (or on gunbroker) in less than 24 hours. If Kel-Tec of all companies can do that, I can only assume DT would be able to as well.
There is definitely a market for expensive bullpups, not as big as the AR/AK market, but its there. I'm sure this will dominate if not just for the ability to swap calibers.
>If its from DT I think its safe to assume the trigger wont be 12lbs, and the RDB is just a cheaper and not as nice version of the RFB.
There was all of that same sentiment about the Masada. I mean it was from Magpul, how could it possibly fail?
>the juden meme
And the RFB couldn't be found for 5 years because Kel-tec made like eight of them. The same as the PMR and all of that.
Everyone said the same shit about the Masada.
Then why was the design so flawed from the start? Go watch the interview in that link and tell me you believe they actually did that. Look at the 2012 revision they designed. This is what happens when you let graphic designers build your service rifle.
>I mean it was from Magpul, how could it possibly fail?
Fagpul had never made a production firearm before had they? Also they never finished the design on it, and only licensed the design to Bushmaster who finished the design and produced it. So why do you keep on bringing up Fagpul? And inb4 you say Bushmaster is just as iconic as Fagpul, keep in mind this is after they sold out to the Jews on Wall Street (Freedom Group) who will cut any corner they can to make an extra shekel.
>And the RFB couldn't be found for 5 years because Kel-tec made like eight of them.
Nigger I said my serial was in the 200s out of > 7000 today. They were always available on gunbroker and could be had if you were willing to MSRP or slightly over ($1880 at the time).
>The same as the PMR and all of that.
I dont pay attention to their other guns so I can't comment on them.
You're missing the point. All of the shit said about the MDR being amazing was said about the Masada. And then it hit the markets and everyone learned that the hype was all just hype.
And kel-tec is notorious for having ridiculously low production numbers. Even 7000 is pitiful considering the timeframe.
>And then it hit the markets and everyone learned that the hype was all just hype.
I think you're missing my point. The Masada that was hyped was an entirely different gun than the one which was released, made and designed by an entirely different company.
>And kel-tec is notorious for having ridiculously low production numbers
They make shit tons of pocket pistols. And if you watch any of the Hank Strange RDB videos, Andrew (or Chad?) from KT talks about how the RDB was designed to simplify production and costs to address this. The RFB was meant to be their flagship rifle and will remain so even after they discontinue it when the 308 RDB comes out.
And bringing up the PMR/CMR isnt exactly fair as that market is far more niche than the bullpup market. If someone wanted a high cap 22 pistol, i'm sure the only reason they'd go for a PMR over a 5.7 is due to cost.
lel, this concept update is fucking retarded. Looks like a video game model "hey the gun doesn't look cool enough. Add more lines and shit, make it bigger"
>Ukie neo nazis think Putin is a Jew and Crimea was a Jewish plot
>Russians call the Ukies zionist puppets trying to steal rightful Russian clay to murder Russian babies on
>Ukraine receives weapons/training from IDF advisors while Russia coordinates with Israel in removing kebab in Syria.
The nose knows what it wants, goy
Does IWI make the Galil or Uzi? I would cream myself for a full size Uzi with wood stock
Never, because it's not. DI is inherently superior to piston, the AR facefucks every other service rifle in terms of accuracy. It's light as all hell, cheap as dirt to procure for the government, it is the perfect rifle.
Cheap to produce but...
>the government has contracts through colt for them and pays out the ass for them because muh buddy runs a government sales section for colt so I'll get the contract set up for the military to buy our rifles through them for a bloated price to help him out and get a kickback.
That's how it actually works anon.
The government always pays at least 130% price of the item.
Not the case anymore m8, they've been telling colt to fuck off for quite a while now, they get their guns way cheaper than the civilian market now. Little under $700 per rifle.
Nah, it gets less fouling. If you're shooting a dozen endless magdumps with the dirtiest slavshit ammo you might notice the difference.
Absolute bullshit, no other service rifle has the effective range of an m16/m4, and no company/country even claims to match it.
They're also heavier.
>Absolute bullshit, no other service rifle has the effective range of an m16/m4, and no company/country even claims to match it.
Really? No country claims to match it? When did the M16 come with sights that go out to 2km?
Cool shit, someone's stealing then.
As of 2012 the price per unit was $670. This was after telling colt to get fucked, because Colt jacked their prices up to $1200. An m4 has never costed $2600.
That's the symbol of the "Golani" division.
You can see the same tree printed on his battalion's/company's flag (51st- The Last Samurai).