We know. And as always, they will get their way. And as always, it is about power and control and using any pretext to persecute your political enemies.
Expanded Homicide Data Table 11
Murder Circumstances by Weapon, 2011
Total firearms: 8583
Knives or cutting instruments: 1694
Personal weapons (hands/feet): 726
Oh, and lest you labor under the delusion that our blue-state overlords aren't coordinating with each other, take a look at this:
>The framers of the proposals claim that magazines that are non-detachable prevent the rapid reloading that can increase death tolls in mass shootings. The AR-15 style rifles used by terrorists in the San Bernardino shooting last December had their bullet buttons removed after they were illegally acquired through an alleged straw purchase.
>Levine’s measure, AB 1664, taken with a companion bill, AB 1663, would classify a semi-automatic centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept no more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon under state law and define a “detachable magazine” to mean an ammunition feeding device that can be removed from the firearm without disassembly of the action, including one that can be removed with the use of a tool.
>Those with a bullet button would have until 2018 to register their gun and those found after that date with such a device installed on an unregistered rifle would be liable to a felony charge and up to a year in prison.
>Gun control groups to include the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence and the Brady Campaign are supporting the bullet button ban, arguing the devices, only used in California, were a way for gun makers to circumvent state law.
Why don't they just ban terrorism instead and save some time?
its a mag release covered by an extremely long housing that requires a small tool like a screwdriver to press to release the magazine, until now this is how we in California have gone around the "assault weapon" ban, but they are not even content enough with that, they want to make the AR15 as functional as a mosin
Do you think california will get better when the withered cunts in charge finally keel over from their last drop of ancient blood crumbling into dust?
I kind of feel like they'll enact legislation where you have to donate 1/4 of your newborns blood to them every month before that happens.
One day they will actually get what they want, banning of guns, but that still won't stop criminals, because they are criminals obviously. So, the politicians will eventually start banning other things in absurd ways to appeal to their voter base.
No. It will destroy itself in slow motion like a North American version of Zimbabwe or Venezuala, and the agony will take all the longer because of Federal bailouts.
national polling shows the most pro-gun demographic are the youngest people, and speaking from personal experience being in a California university the students are far more pro-gun than you've been led to believe
>is there a younger generation of non-idiotic california politicians
LOLnope. They are almost all products of the San Fran machine. Not even the heavies from Sac or LA can successfully tangle with them.
Governor Newsom will sign it with relish. That plus retroactive mandatory registration of everything. And the suburbanites will nod and think it's reasonable and anyone who protests is a dangerous yahoo. After all, we already have registration of all guns sold now. What about all those OTHER guns? That's DANGEROUS...!
Kamala Harris is going to the Senate and Villaraigosa isn't an anointed child of the Bay Area elite, no matter how many Hispanic votes he says he can muster. Jesus Freak In Favor Of Queer Marriage And NYC-Tier Gun Control Who Fucked His Campaign Manager's Wife *is* going to be our next governor, and he *is* going to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment in this state, and that *will* be used as a template for elsewhere in the nation -- Oregon and Washington first. Get that through your head and lay your plans accordingly.
>this bullet button will stop murders!
>this bullet button didnt work!
>lets ban ban the bullet button!
Fucking now what? are they going to just make AR-15's fixed mags now? and the only way to reload them is through the ejection port?
time to load up. this country is fucked. it kinda makes me feel bad; it's basically the rich preparing for the economic collapse.
this place used to be great until the rich totally took it over.
no alternative for a populist; they make it so all the 'populists' are anti gun
The intent originally was to limit owners to fixed mags, and the bullet button was a workaround. Because you needed a tool to switch mags, thus it's fixed. Even if that tool is a bullet, or a screwdriver or a stick
I thought bullet buttons were required by law there because something something muh chilldrens?
>Is there anything they actually are good at besides whining and passing dumb laws?
Fucking shit up at home then spreading their shitty idea to other places because, "it doesn't feel like home" since it's not broken.
They fuckin' excel at that. It's almost impressive.
You know nothing of California politics. The water is being managed exactly as planned. Hold the south hostage by being dependent on the norths water while draining the north of its water thereby controlling everything from agriculture to development. They play one against the other perfectly and the only ones getting screwed are The People.
Sounds like another group I know.
Don't forget WA 2354. We're just marching right along to the tune. Interesting how they propose this shortly after 594 went into effect. It's almost like they're trying to track everything before the big squeeze.....
I594 basically make sure uncle Sam gets his cut of the panic buying/selling when they decide they want to enact 2354. They sure don't waste time.
At least in your state and Oregon there are large angry crowds of people willing to openly defy it and tell the blue-state metrosexual fascisti to fuck off -- usually accompanied by local law enforcement.
Here? Nothing. We got boiled to death over a twenty-year period. Now nobody wants to risk making a fuss... though that'll prolly change in a hurry if people start getting raided north of Sacramento. Mountain people are kind of prickly. But they're also not into demonstrating. It's a little tough to explain.
I expect they would go full "the grinch in a ski mask holding a gun".
>house fort under siege
>a bastardized black lives matter group are clawing at the boards placed in the windows
>only 2 mags left
>luckily you have your Bulletbutton™
>a calm washes over you as you press it, the button showing a green-lined circle to notify you it has successfully ordered your new rounds
>you're brought back to your adrenaline state as your front door smashes open
>Excuse me Sir! Sir! Hand over your weapon and once! We are arresting you civilianly!
>"It's citizen's arrest ass-douche" you mutter as you pop a round into his guilt-ridden white face
>screams and panicking ensure, but this only fuels the crowd in their mad frenzy
>they want blood now, they've secretly wanted it ever since you openly disagreed with something Bernie Sanders stated weeks ago
>you finish your mag and are almost through with the next, backing into your study room
>you barricade the door, but it'll only hold for a few minutes
>you ponder an America without guns, an America with another Democrat in charge as they tear your house around you
>"give me strength Lord", you whisper as you pull up your rifle one last time
>but wait! A faint whirring sound, a shadow passes - you look up, out the sunroof
>It's an BulletButton™ Delivery Drone!
>"Thank you for your purchases Mr. Anon; we thought you might need a little extra - enjoy your day" as it flies off again
>a neatly wrapped parcel with a parachute lands flawlessly by your feet
>inside, a thousand rounds of ammo glistens in the light
Yes, you do.
a loophole that got invented to allow ar15s in california. it basically replaces the standard button mag release on AR15 with one that has a tiny deep hole, that you cant push with a finger. but you can push it with the tip of a bullet from a spare cartridge. this with 10 round mags makes an ar15 legal in faggotry kalifornia
dont worry you faggots it will never pass. its just a feel good law for the fucker in state assembly to tout as an achievement in battling "violence".
if it passes, thousands and thousands of previously fucked up neutered ar15s in california get registered, and instantly become normal ar15s without all this stupid bulletbutton bullshit and sharkfin grips. thats the last thing in the world the faggot antigunners want
no it was a loophole smart progun people figured out in the law. the original intent of the california AW ban was to ban completely all ar15s and ak47 type rifles among other assaulty looking guns
To ALL Californians in this thread, the bullet button ban was stopped twice before, with Jerry Brown actually vetoing the shit out of it last year.
Send letters to the Governor asking him to stop this clearly unconstitutional move once again. He will be in Sacramento until 2018.
It wasn't a loophole. It was a compromise made by gun groups with California legislators so that people can have their rifles, while at the same time, reload times would be completely hampered, especially during times of stress.
No, it really was a loop hole that some guys came up with after reading the proposed text of the law. The actual wording is the way it is because there were some types of SKS's that they didn't want to ban.
I cannot for the life of me understand why someone who loves guns lives in fucking california to begin with.
>i-its not that bad you guys!
Seems like you want to play /k/ommando but you can't live without having LA an hour away. Califags want to live that beach life and city life but want to be weekend warriors too.
You live in one of the most liberal fucking states in the union I don't know how you can even stand being around all the cholos and fags.
Seriously just move.
There is no point. Black Panthers being armed at the state capitol is what got the whole thing rolling in the first place. The only way it will work is if we start shooting when they start go door to door to take the guns by force.
you moron. it was a loophole. gun people figured out that the wording of the ban said rifles couldnt have a "detachable magazine" and the definition of detachable meant removable without the use of a tool.
the bullet button meant magazines were only attachable, since once fixed to the rifle, they required a tool to remove. you fucking idiot, the legislators made the ban back in 2000. a few years later people figured out how to fix magazines in ARs by screwing/riveting a magazine in place, making the only way to load the rifle by pulling out action pin and top breaking it. in 2007 some people from the calguns forums community including lawyers drew up plans for a device to circumvent the law. not long after some guys made a prototype bullet button which allowed a bullet or small diameter poking implement but not a finger to release a magazine.
Radium style mags when? If youre anyway capped at 10 single stack is fine, and the design in pic related works fine for that. Now we just need some kind of speedloader to make this work
Because I don't want to register my shit? Because after they know where they are they're going to send the goon squads in for confiscations. And before you say "noooo way anon that would never happen!" They've fucking did it before with sks's.
There's a LOT of time for shit scandals to come up that fucks Newsom up and even fuck the Democrat supermajority in the Legislature.
This is why people should talk to their Assemblymembers and Senators, then politely let them know why this shit is a bad idea.
California law stipulates that for a gun to be an "assault weapon," it has to have evil features and have a magazine that's easily detachable. A non-detachable magazine is defined as any magazine which can be removed without the use of a tool.
By putting the magazine release under a casing that requires a person to poke it with something other than their fingers - such as a narrow bullet or a screwdriver - it technically fits the definition of a gun with a fixed magazine, thus letting it have banned features.
California is now closing this "loophole."
This bill doesn't just ban the bullet buttons. It goes straight up full retard and bans all rifles with detachable mags. I have a hard time understanding how this could possibly pass, but... fucking california... so who knows.
>tfw stuck in Cali until I get my degree
>tfw even then I might still want to do my masters here
Goddammit California why must you have good universities
Goddammit other states why must your out of state tuition be so high
Goddammit California why must you have such shitty fun laws
>It goes straight up full retard and bans all rifles with detachable mags.
There is no way that would pass the higher counts for being constitutional. Rifles, pistols, and shotguns with magazines are all common use across the country and the world. it is sad when Canada has better gun laws than a U.S state although I live in WV were they are passing a law letting people 18 years old get CCWs and once you reach 21 you don't need a license to carry.
Might want to read the law...
Title 11, Division 5, Chapter 39, Department of Justice Regulations for Assault Weapons and Large Capacity Magazines.
5469. Definitions: (a) "detachable magazine" means any ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required. A bullet or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool.
It also makes them non-transferable. When you die it's either sold out of state or turned in to the government for destruction. In one generation they will have wiped out legal black rifles in the state.
>There's a LOT of time for shit scandals to come up that fucks Newsom up and even fuck the Democrat supermajority in the Legislature.
Nope. These dumb fucks will pull the "D" lever regardless.
Under the proposed law there is no more "featureless" rifles. Mini-14's, M1A's, M-1 carbines, and the like will all be banned.
>This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept no more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon.
Not OP but I was born in North county san diego. For me it's more or less because it's all iv ever known. Most of my family is here and the other few live in England so that's even worse. I hate using the excuse "it's not that bad" because some times it really sucks its true. But I guess I can't justify (to myself) leaving my family friends and life long home for better gun rights.
Californians are super attached to their popular lifestyle. Just how they are.
They'll always counter with 'at least we're not flyover' 'muh parties' 'muh social equality' 'muh not redkneck' 'it's not a big deal' 'I'm not a single issue voter' etc.
It's the same as /o/ Californians really. The state hates you but you care more about other crap.
Hey, remember that one CA senator that was antigun as fuck, he got mixed up in an FBI sting where he agreed to gun run for terrorists in exchange for cash?
What's that? Barely any national or even local coverage?
Two more bills were just introduced today:
>Assembly Bill 1673, authored by Assemblyman Mike Gipson (D – Carson), would expand the definition of “firearm” to include “an unfinished frame or receiver of a weapon.”
> Assembly Bill 1674 authored by Assemblyman Miguel Santiago (D – Los Angeles), would make all firearms subject to an existing criminal law that limits the ability of law-abiding Californians to purchase more than one handgun at a time.
So... pic related would be a firearm in the DPR of Kommifornia... what a bunch of retarded politicians. SF and LA should be their own states, for the good of the rest of the people.
AB 1673 adds this clause to the definition of "firearm":
>"or the unfinished frame or receiver of a weapon that can be readily converted to the functional condition of a finished frame or receiver:"
So nicely vague as per usual with our crap legislators.
>Assembly Bill 1673, authored by Assemblyman Mike Gipson (D – Carson), would expand the definition of “firearm” to include “an unfinished frame or receiver of a weapon.”
Oh my fucking god, this is the fucking tipping point where any god damn tool that could remotely be used to create a firearm is going to be regulated sooner or later.
Just start the nuclear fucking cleansing. I don't even fucking care if I'm in the middle of it with my family.
Yes, I'm fucking mad.
California doesn't care about Heller, and SCOTUS won't take up any more 2A cases. Most recently they passed on an AWB circuit case where the lower court said the ban didn't violate 2A or something because it could make some people "feel safer". It's literally feels before facts, and the Supreme Court refused to take the case. As far as I am concerned Heller doesn't exist.
They are California bills, so they only affect California.
Further reading on Newsome's bullshit, the one they have people out in front of my local Walmart getting signatures for from idiots.
It's a statement from Michele Hanisee, Vice President of the Association of Los Angeles Deputy District Attorneys.
>Confiscatory ban on mags over 10rds
>Redefines ammo, now includes magazines, clips, speed loaders, etc.
>$50 permit to purchase ammo, renewed every 2 years, takes a month to obtain
>Creates a registry of ammunition purchasers
>Must process and register through DROS every single ammo purchase
>Private ammo sales, importation from out of state banned
>All ammo dealers now need a CADOJ issued licence to sell ammo
>Ammo bought at a range can't be removed from the range
Hold me /k/, I'm going to have a fucking stroke.
It's California. I really don't care. I know how that sounds but to me, pro-gun Californians are like battered housewives that refuse to leave their abusive husbands. My sympathy only goes so far.
Stay strong, inform friends and family. Attend any local political events where you can bring this up. Don't get angry, just stay calm an rational in the face of this madness. Godspeed, anon.
Yeah this shit is so getting shot down in federal appealate court.
California is about to go too far and fuck themselves in the ass with even more lost lawsuits (which they'd probably enjoy).
And lord help em if the Republicans win and the progun californians go crying to progun Congress to pass gun right laws that enforce the 2nd amendment with federal LEOs and whatnot.
I don't think Newson's proposals will get too much mileage before reality comes in.
They need 300,000 signatures to get their bullshit on the ballot, if it gets to a vote I think we are screwed judging by how many people in this state actually bother to vote. Problem with the big lawsuits is they take years if not decades to make any traction, and by that time the damage is already done.
The assembly and house bills that effectively ban almost all semi-autos with removable mags is what scares me, from M1 Garands to Mini-14s. Gov Brown will probably veto them but he's term locked in 2018.
Eventually they will, but for the time being I'm considering getting into reloading if I can afford it.
>Yeah this shit is so getting shot down in federal appealate court.
Possibly. But they will continue to pass more onerous laws faster than they can be shot down. Our 10-day wait period was shot down months ago... and yet mysteriously remains in effect. This is how they operate. They literally shovel shit faster than you can clean yourself off.
The Boomers are half-dead already. I'm afraid the onus is on us, sport.
>Possibly. But they will continue to pass more onerous laws faster than they can be shot down. Our 10-day wait period was shot down months ago... and yet mysteriously remains in effect. This is how they operate. They literally shovel shit faster than you can clean yourself off.
This is why we need a federal gun rights law that makes it illegal for state or local officials to pass gun bans of all sorts. Because I want to cum buckets when they drag Kevin Leon to buttrape jail like his grabber buddy Yee.
Not gonna happen. Pic related. We held them off at the Federal level, so they're going after restrictions at the granular level. They never sleep.
Oregon gun owners need to show up for PROTESTS, not rallies, PROTESTS. Protest outside the legislator's homes if we have to, show up to the capitol OCing. Do whatever, we need to get this shit to STOP before it's too late.
In short, the circuit court ruled that the individual right to bear arms --- discovered by the Supreme Court in its 2008 Heller decision --- is not nearly as absolute as the NRA would have America believe.
It's as absolute as freedom of speech. The court has changed since it's insurrection. It's more closely related to what the people who made it were fighting against at this point. These people are lampreys, I hope they live see what happens when they beach the whale.
I have an idea for a mag that would be legal under this new law. It has basically feed lips on the bottom so it can be filled from a clip and then a strong can be clipped on. If this passes the work around is already done.
Alright so I have an idea for a mag that is actually even easier than a bullet button but is completely non removable from the gun. the basic ide is you have 2 separate 10 rounders modified to be tilted away from each other at ~20 degree angle that both use the same spring so that both sides can not be used at the same time. the mag well is then modified and this mag dropped in so that it can only be removed by disassembly. So now it has one portion of a mag that can be loaded from clips and one that is feeding. It is built so that loading one mag pushes down both springs just as when the mag is fully empty it can not be tilted.
That's a lawsuit.
I'm talking about a federal LAW passed by NRA + friends to make california's gun control go away. Similar to how civil rights legislation applied in the 60s to the states.
Hell they already have progun laws in the pipeline like the deregulation of suppressors, national carry reciprocity etc. Only problem of course is the veto but who knows how much longer that'll last.
You're an optimist. I live in Califailia and I've seen the culture wars up close. In the late 90's I bought a .22 gallery gun at an antique show in Sunnyvale and walked home to my apartment with it and zero fucks were given. Open carry was the law and everybody knew it. Now? I'd have to go through an FFL, wait ten days, register it with the Cali DOJ, and if I walked on the sidewalk with it I'd get shot down with a MP-5, because that's what the Sunnyvale PD are packing these days.
And they *would* shoot me, these days. They murdered Andy Lopez in broad daylight for going over to his friends house with an Airsoft gun to play Army Man and got away with it.
As California goes, so goes the nation. We've always been a belwether state.
A lot of the anti-gun sentiments are from young people. In fact, you have a 50/50 chance of running into someone who is vocally anti-gun, at least in so-cal where im at right now.
Also, CA has positive GDP? Could you elaborate about the govt subsidy thing?
Well I am, but that's where I differ from you.
Don't forget that open carry, AWBs, and stand your ground laws were far more restrictive nationwide during the 80s and 90s during the height of gun grabbing bullshit.
And now that the bulk of the country is now shifting progun, and definately unfucking themselves, its the ones in the swing states and liberal pockets who still have to deal with the remnant of gun control and worse.
But once the population as a whole continues to go more progun (especially since we already have a majority in polls for the first time ever), these enclaves will continue to weaken from repeated lawsuits and eventually federal action like we've seen in DC and the Territories going from some of the worst gun control to having all their laws wiped out.
We WILL win, but we will have to keep fighting against the left's last breath before we can deliver the critical kinds of strikes that cripple any efforts at any future gun control for decades.
oh hey my idea already basically exists. >>28623974
although it would be an improvement with a way smaller footprint and the ability to reload a bit quicker since you dont need to pull the old one out. just clip and give ti a slap.
In their world anything not explicitly allowed by the all-mighty state is a "loophole". Basically they used the current law to try and ban AR-15s and other modern sporting rifles.
Prior to the bullet button people were top loading AR, it was unappealing and a giant pain in the ass. Right now they aren't just pushing to ban bullet buttons, they are trying to push a ban on semi-autos with removable mags period.
They will keep trying to regulate semi-autos out of legal existence in California. Right now that means any and all "featureless" rifles and anything with a prince 50 or Bullet Button.
This will become popular, along with other means of legal compliance until the same people come back around next session and claim OEMs are exploiting another "loophole".
It's like in CT when Stag started shipping 22LR AR-15s and the gov immediately tried to stop them from selling it on the basis that it "looks scary and violates the spirit of the law".
These people will never stop, their ultimate goal is civilian disarmament.
arizona actually has some of the best water management in the world.
>because its a fucking desert
The problem the Dems have is that they've assigned prizes to everybody, only they don't have the prizes in hand, yet. Newsome gets governor as a consolation prize for standing aside so Harris gets a clear shot at Boxer's seat. Problem is, he might not win the election. If that happens, him and Harris duke it out for the Senate seat. They both want the White House, they're being groomed for sequential shots at it. All it takes is one little glitch in the program and they'll turn on each other like rabid badgers.
I live on the north coast in the redwoods and it's fuckin awesome here. The problem is the people down south are scared of all the niggers and they have the majority, which means we get fucked whenever they start "fearing for the children." The also take all our water for their lawns because someone thought it was a good idea to put a god damn metropolis in a desert.
In the north we still have a fair share of proguns, mostly fudds and hill people but damn well good enough for me. A majority of the guys in my highschool would call themselves hunters at least, idk if they've kept the sentiment after moving away from their fudd parents but it's better than nothing.
Fight NOW, goddamit. I'm going to be buying some property up near Klamath Falls in the coming year, and I don't want to trade one regulatory mafiosi for another.
All these years of laughing at Jew York and California and not doing anything to stop them is finally being taken to it's logical conclusion.
Most of /k/ probably lives in blue states because most Americans live in blue states. They will come for you, state by state, legislature by legislature, because you viewed California and New York as idiot quarantines instead of what they truly are: beachheads.
It's always a Trader Joe's. Are those stores like, the warning sign? Because ity seems like if there's one near you, or one is getting built near you, you're fucked. Also, Sanfran, L.A., and Sac need to be turned into special economic zones, let them have their own retarded bullshit without it affecting the red counties.
Not enough money to move, don't know where I'd go if I did
Besides, not all parts of it are bad
I live in a red necky part of it, everyone hates this shit where I'm from, as well as everyone who supports it.
But yeah, most of this state is a bunch of shit bags, not that I go shooting much, I've been trying to get into it, but there's no shooting range that I know of besides bottles and plant pots I set up in the woods
what are you going to do? They're just going to surround themselves with armed security. If you even talk about going physical, they'll blow that incident up 100x in the media and scare everyone ones about the home-grown terrorists with guns.
You need to get the majority of people on your side and put a negative picture on the politicians. Then whatever you do, majority will give you benefit of the doubt. Whatever they do, the majority will be suspicious.
The politicians will continue to have the means to live away or in safety from the bad things they create and the voter base will continue to be mislead by those politican's misguided and misinformed views of society.
It's a horrible circle.
There was this one ar mag my dad bought that the front slides down, pulling down the follower and locking it in place.Then you just drop in the 30 rounds, and slide the part back, unlocking the follower and good to go. perhaps a modified version of this?
I have my way of living in CA even with all the gun control laws in place. I choose to ignore them. I choose that I won't comply. This is a sentiment shared by many other fellow gun owners in my area. Even my sheriff wrote a "get fucked" letter to Feinstein when she tried to push another assault weapons ban after Sandyhook.
If such a ban were to pass, I highly doubt any region outside of San Fran and Los Angeles would obey and enforce them.
So if those motherfuckers in SF and LA insist on treating us gun owners like second class citizens, it's about time we do as the people in the Civil Rights movement did, and refuse to comply. We should be pulling shit like sitting in the front of the bus.
>>28627137 the issue is that the rails would add height to the gun, look at >>28624279 for an example of a similar idea to yours and see how bulky it is. My design, while requiring modifications to the mag well would be sleeker and look OK as well. I am actually having my draftsman do a model of my idea now.