Why the hell is Swedish army so downtrodden? Are you totally relying Finland for defence?
I mean your "artillery" for example is formed by 24 Archer SPG:s and Mortars. What a joke.
Throwing rocks would probably be more efficient than that, no way would that be enough in a serious military conflict. That's what you get when you let leftist and feminists take care of your government, foreign policy and defense.
Get a grip Sweden!
Swedish doctrine has never focused on national defense. We just wanted to make it so expensive that the soviets wouldn't attack us in the first place.
>That's what you get when you let leftist and feminists take care of your government, foreign policy and defense.
Having a bunch of "good honest conservatives" manning the helm for the last 10 years didn't do Canada's military any good, fuck-o.
>Are you totally relying Finland for defence?
They are and always have.
>That's what you get when you let leftist and feminists take care of your government, foreign policy and defense.
We've recently had eight years of right wing rule. They slashed military spending to fund tax cuts and put conscription on hiatus. This is not a left/right issue. This is a case of politicians making short-sighted decisions to fund their own election promises and pet projects.
What should we be grateful for? Swedes destroyed much of Finnish culture during the occupation and used us as a meatshield for centuries. Not to forget eugenics and forced sterilizations among other things.
Nordics have sort of an unoffical understanding that they got each others back in a military conflict.
But I remember our defense minister (Norway) said we can't promise anything lol.
>Why the hell is Swedish army so downtrodden?
Sweden had armed up HARD from about 1945-1975, during that period they had some of the largest and best equipped armed forces in the world.
By the late 80s they had tons of gear, but a lot of it was old and obsolete.
They had massive bunkers full of gear that was just rotting away or getting lost in the logistical system.
When the Soviet Union fell the politicians naively thought they could reformat and scale down the armed forces.
All the old unnecessary shit was to go, the armed forces would be a smaller and more professional.
The army agreed it would work OK for about 10-15 years.
The army started a tear down project to cut off all the old fat and modernize.
Everything was cleared out, were talking hundreds of thousands of tons of infantry gear, dozens of ships, hundreds of planes.
But the politicians started cutting billions from the Army budgets so by the time the Army had torn itself apart there were no funds to build it up again and the Swedish armed forces were a shadow of their former self.
Closer cooperation with NATO forces also meant the whole army had to be restructured.
And with foreign powers demanding help from Sweden the little money that the Army had was spent on training and equipment suitable for foreign operations, not for national defense.
The only hope the Swedish armed forces have is if the people vote SD in with a majority and pour massive quantities of cash into the army for the next decade or so.
heard you guys are debating on bringing back conscription.
Anyone know how the debate is going thus far? Im not a big fan of conscription as professional armies are overall way better than those who have some conscripts. But It makes sense considering you guys have a manpower shortage.
Hopefully you guys go ahead with it, it would probably help un-cuck your country
>Swedish artillery: 24 archers
That is the projected goal.
They currently have 4 in operational condition.
It's pathetic what the politicians have done to this county.
All the money the army gets is instantly spent on foreign operations, or on the navy.
So Sweden has some of the best submarines in the world, but Swedes going through infantry training now lack basic gear like winter boots, which can be difficult because certain infantry educations can take over a year to complete.
>Allies best friend Russia wants to invade Flinland.
>Allies are all like "Uh-uh OKAY is okay, Russia best ally, im sure they are just peacekeeping"
>Germany willing to help them
What the fuck was Finland supposed to do? "Oh, lets not accept help against those russians wanting to enslave us. "
>Finland wasn't an aggressor
You guys were on board for Operation Barbossa from day 1.
Sure the Winter War was bullshit, but don't gimme that "they fired first" crap when it comes to WW2.
Is this what they teach you in schools in the eastern part of Sweden nowadays?
You fail to realize, Finland wasnt occupied, any more than any other part of Sweden was, Finland was Sweden.
>What should we be grateful for?
How about the fact that whenever Finland has been invaded by Russians in the last thousand years or so, Swedish men have stood by your side to protect your homes from the invading hordes? How about for sending you more than a third of our military materiel as military aid during the Winter War despite having no obligation to help you at all? How about building the world's fourth largest air force after WWII to cover for you not being allowed to have one worth the name according to your peace treaty with the Soviets?
>Swedes destroyed much of Finnish culture during the occupation and used us as a meatshield for centuries.
We are so very sorry for "destroying" the proud Finnish culture by teaching you to sauna in little huts rather than holes dug into the side of a hill, providing you with a written language and building your infrastructure from scratch. It must have been horrible to be full and equal citizens of Sweden during the 600 year long occupation. We also should have taken greater care with the obviously fragile and effeminate Finns and reduced the number of soldiers required of them even further below what was expected of the rest of the kingdom. It is truly a great injustice that Finnish men had to die alongside their Swedish countrymen while defending Finnish homes from Russian invaders.
>Not to forget eugenics and forced sterilizations among other things.
That was for gypsies and the like. Are you a gypsy?
Finns truly can really be whiny little bitches sometimes.
There's quite a big difference between practcing those things in your own country or in a foreign country. I have nothing against Nazis. They were the only ones, who helped us in our time of need. And Finn has two N:s.
Low quality bait.
War was inevitable with or without the help of Germany. We chose the better option.
The Swedes living here try their best to whitewash your crimes.
During WW2 you prevented Western countries from helping us before they allied with Soviets and also told us to surrender. So thanks.
As for the culture, there's barely any knowledge left of our past traditions and religion, because you forced christianity upon us. And we weren't equal because everything from education to occupations required Swedish. We could either abandon our roots or live outside society. It's a miracle Finnish language even exists today.
The sterilization program was for Finns, because you feared, that we would gain power in our own country.
And never call us your countrymen.
Basically all nordics are gambling on Finnish military + Norwegian AF to hold off a possible Russian invasion force untill NATO and most importantly Uncle Sam gets in to kick ass.. The problem is that everything counts on Finnish military which is largest of them all in terms of manpower but is terribly short on materials. Nordics used to have relatively huge and powerful militaries. Unified large enough to hold off a Russian invasion in terms of conventional warfare.
Now Finland is doing what every other Nordic country is doing which is downscaling its military. This will negatively influence the whole defensive and security situation of Fennoscandia and Baltic sea. Basically after all other Nordic countries saw their change to transfer the financial parts of their defense onto Finns who are the geographical buffer zone against Russians creating a situation where Finns are supposed to defend every other Nordic country when they keep spending their monies on humanitarian operations on and offshore and basically giving it to Jamal and Ahmed when they want to go to disco/club to find a girl to have sex with. Voluntary or not..
TL;DR: The rest of you guys are slacking of while Finns are supposed to defend the whole of Fennoscandia with shit material and basically no defense budget.. Start pulling your weight or we'll just let them invade the whole of northern Europe without a fight..
Basically politicians decided to switch from an armed force focused on defending from invasions to a professional army focused on doing missions abroad.
It's only now in the past year or so they've finally realized how stupid that was and now have to try to figure out how to get it back together after they sold or scrapped the whole invasion defense.
The current swedish defense isn't designed to withstand an invasion because politicians thought that since the cold war ended there would never be a threat to us ever again.
All military organisations in the world have some sort of ethical and moral guidelines. That doesn't necessarily mean the organisation is cucked.
Now that being said. What I have heard from friends and acquaitances who have served in Swedish armed forces it's totally SJW cucked and you'll get punished or even fired if you even look funny at someone who is member of a minority be that gender, sexuality, ethnic or whatever..
At leas they have some cuties while their country falls to into an arab/mudslime shithole with rape and "mixed" children.
>partly they know that there is currently no military threat to them.
I hate this stupid notion that there are no threats to Nordics at the moment. As if in the future when the need arises the required forces and materials will just magically appear out of some ass of an fucking unicorn.
"All countries have an army. Either one of their own or an invading one.."
Another great saying from which 9x19mm gets its name: "Si vis pacem, para bellum"
I swear to god non-nordics are the ones obsessed with interracial sex and mixed race than us
you're always the ones bringing this up, it tells what your dirty mind always obsess over
U.S. Territories could be considered colonies so basically Costa Rica is being occupied by U.S armed forces.
The difference between colonies and territories is in certain legal issues which are too complicated to be discussed here but if I had to simplify them to you I'd say that the America wanted to get into colonialism while riding a high horse of not being Imperialistic power so americans came up with a brilliant system that will let them have colonies while not calling them colonies..
yeah sure, I bet you're just dying to indulge even further into your interracial fetish though so you come here to tell us about it with your pictures of swedish women saved on your computer
>During WW2 you prevented Western countries from helping us before they allied with Soviets and also told us to surrender. So thanks.
The Allied force you speak of was never intended to reach Finland or fight against the USSR. Sweden knew, Norway knew and later British documents have confirmed that the real purpose of the force was to enter Norway and Sweden on false pretexts and then seize Swedish iron mines and the Norwegian ports that would ship the ore. This was to be the first step of a larger Allied invasion intended to make Scandinavia instead of France the battlefield between the western Allies and Germany.
>As for the culture, there's barely any knowledge left of our past traditions and religion, because we didn't have a written language before the Swedes taught us how to read and write
>And we weren't equal because everything from education to occupations required Swedish.
We are so very sorry. We should all have learned your special snowflake minority language instead so you wouldn't have to learn the language of the people you wanted something from.
>We could either abandon our roots or live outside society.
What language are you writing this in? Have you abandoned your roots by learning a language that allows you to communicate with others?
>It's a miracle Finnish language even exists today.
A miracle assured by Swedish rule. You don't see a lot of surviving Finno-Ugric languages in Russia, do you?
>The sterilization program was for Finns, because you feared, that we would gain power in our own country.
You know Finland hasn't been part of Sweden for over 200 years, right? We didn't even have sterilization programs back then and when we finally got them, they were not for Finns.
>And never call us your countrymen.
You specifically I would be ashamed to call my countryman because you are an ungrateful little whiny bitch who spits at his family.
>Handouts to NEETS, single mothers, and shitskins is more important than national defense
Military spending is a tiny fraction of these government budgets too
Even in the US, the military spending is only a very small part of government.
Or you could have just minded your own business and let us rule our land. Was that too much to ask?
Unfortunately all Swedes didn't disappear from Finland after Russian occupation started. There are still Swedes living in hear and they still force us to learn their language.
We are not family.
Tell that to liberals who see the millions going on individual tanks or fighter jets but don't seem to even start to grasp the amounts of taxmoney poured into the pockets of these newly arrived "refugees" daily let alone annually.
Don't know about the Swedish numbers but in Finland it's been calculated to be one million euros per 1000 refugees monthly. Now I can pretty much make and educated guess that you guys are giving them somewhat more so that kind of gives you an idea.
Because you were doing such a swell job of ruling Finland before Sweden intervened, top kek...
And be glad that they force you to learn a civilized language, mongol. You didn't have a culture before we gave you one.
Remember what your politicians have constantly said, Sven. Sweden has no culture not without Jamal, Ahmed, Mohammed and Ozmongo. So you couldn't have given it to anyone. What Finns got from you was just some lame midsummer pole and even that was so lame that Finns hack it down to pieces and set in fire annually.
>Or you could have just minded your own business and let us rule our land. Was that too much to ask?
We let the Vepsians, the Votes, the Izhorians, the Maris, the Meryas, the Chud, the Meshchera, the Muromians and other Finnic peoples mind their own business and rule their own land. Where are they now? Extinct or assimilated by the Russians. Only those ruled by Swedes remain.
>tfw close friend of the family who is a colonel in the Swedish Army tells us that behind closed doors some officers are drawing up plans for when the country goes to shit and there are murmurs of agreement that the current government is betraying the country
Forgive my rather salty countryman. The truth is that our Finnish hate of Swedes isn't really about the you guys living in your side of the border but the Finnish hating assholes living on this side of the border..
Understandable when the current government is basically letting in an invasion force without a fight and constantly cutting of the few remaining means of defense.. What is a soldier supposed to do? There comes a point when honor dictates that Fidelity to country out weighs fidelity to government. This is how many coup'détas have began.
>military overthrowing democracy
gotta let the government fail before they intervene (though that won't take long), otherwise they risk becoming international pariahs all while alienating the citizens considering the small size of the Swedish armed forces and the lack of contact it has with the civilian population.
If they wanna instigate a coup, they gotta be the saviours, not the usurpers.
Considering the current migrant crisis, it won't take long for the state to be in crisis. How they rule/hand over power will be important in how the state of Sweden progresses. Because if they misgovern badly, Sweden will just revert back to what it was. Especially if the Armed forces retain power.
I hope this is true. How the swedish military still hasn't done a coup is beyond me. What the hell is there otherwise left to protect?
>a million euros per 1000 refugees a month
So basically not a lot in the grand scheme of things.
A Eurofighter costs roughly 90 million Euros. So one eurofighter costs as much as looking after 1000 thousand refugess for 90 months. Given that Finland took in 1034 refugees in 2015, I'd say that not a lot is really being spent on them in Finland, so you can stop loosing your shit now.
Fine, who's going to invade, give me one credible threat from another countries military that would require large numbes of tanks, artillery, helicopters, fighter jets, bombers, SPG's. APC's etc etc
All Sweden needs a military for is disaster relief and occasionally pissing about in NATO excercises.
If we go by purely Swedish numbers, increasing the amount of economic migrants (because, let's not kid ourselves, these are not refugees) is an irreversible economic loss for society, as only about 40% of them are employed taxpayers after ten years in country.
Increasing the size of a group that contributes far less than it consumes is a fucking death sentence for us and this is why, at least in Sweden, there have been numerous leaked reports from government institutions that Sweden's public infrastructure WILL IRREVERSIBLY start to fail within the next few years, with MSB most notably having established that the healthcare system started to fail in December of 2015.
15 000 elderly are destined to fucking starve to death since the government is so fucking happy throwing at least 260 BILLION SEK to invading hordes of shitskins.
The government stole our collective fucking future and gave it to people who just got done fucking over their part of the world completely.
>Given that Finland took in 1034 refugees in 2015
I don't know where you get your numbers but multiply that with ten and some and you're at the general direction of the truth.
But yeah sure it's not really that much in grand scheme of things as you said however there is only so much a small economy can take. Once they get from the refugee system into the general benefits system the price tag gets considerably higher. The northern welfare state -model was never designed to be used as a world welfare office that it has become.
The best bit is that I know that you know there's nothing you can do to change anything. I know that you'll sit at your computer and rage and rant, but you go about your daily business, grumbling, but you'll do nothing.
You're history, your way of thinking is dieing and you know it friend.
So how come /k/ has had a daily thread about Sweden for the past few weeks, and they've all been /pol/ tier as fuck? I'm all for talking about any country's military, but these threads are all just the word cuc.k getting thrown back and forth, with almost no relevant discussion
Why can't we all just be friends?
Aside from being little bit cucked these days, I have no problem Sweden.
brothers 4 lyf
Allah is arabic for god. Whether you're jewish, muslim, or christian.
Not that there's many christians or jews who speak only arabic anymore. But if you can't wrap your stupid head around simple facts then go back to /pol/.
>/k/ thread not about a specific weapon or type of weapon
>not wanting /pol/ to invade
Very good living standards really, maybe Americans, who come from a first world country that still has slums, should look at themselves before attacking others.
>Now the military is seen as a threat to "progress"/globalism, so liberals seek to cut its funding everywhere.
Except in Sweden >>28606044 (and Canada too >>28605905 ) the conservative government was the one who was fucking over the military. Not the liberals.
Which aren't going to increase those numbers by as large a margin as a lot of people here seem to think.
Honestly, if you want to go all the way from Iraq to goddamn Finland, then I'd almost just let you get away with it, you almost certainly have a good reason to be doing it.
As I said earlier ( >>28607837 ) We could be if there weren't a group of swedish speaking people in Finland constantly showing utter disgust about anything finnish and constantly trying to push for their own elitistic and separistic agenda. This group is at the same time ensuring that swedish speaking population has their own educational system that's built so that they will have higher education than native finns while not having to put in as much effort to get and pushing language quotas that ensure that they will remain in their higher positions in government. They're also the families with old money so they are pretty well entrenched in the business elite and they make pretty god damn good job at ensuring that finnish new money doesn't get the same benefits as they do..
And as the cherry on the top of the fucking cake they push for more 3.rd world immigration while making sure that swedish speaking communities don't have to see one goddamn shitskin. When it comes to rural communities even those that are well of it's only the finnish ones that get shitskins and other unpopular policies pushed down their throats.
So it's the swedes in Finland that are causing the Finns to hate swedes as a whole.
>you almost certainly have a good reason to be doing it.
Apparently free discomoney and beautiful girls are reasons enough. Don't get me wrong there are genuine refugees in the mix but the ones that are complaining about not getting the money and freedom to go to the clubs all day like the smugglers they paid advertised aren't part of that group.
I work in immigration sector. I see these assholes everyday. And believe me once my contract is up I'm changing my field of work completely.
>Random thread about American shit
>Euros flock to make fat jokes and post pictures of rednecks
>Random thread about Yuro shit
>Americans mock multiculturalism and make cuck jokes
It's just the way it goes
>your conservatives are actually liberals
I can't speak for Sweden, but the Canadian Conservative Party is pretty conservative.
Especially because the American Republicans have swung so far to the right, that they've gone beyond what would be considered 'regular' conservatism.
While the Democrats seem to have become the 'big tent' party. Where everyone from fiscal conservatives to full on socialists congregate, because the Republicans are just too crazy and narrow when it comes to what political platforms they'll accept (the same thing happened on a much smaller scale with the Canadian Tories, a lot of the moderates jumped ship after Harper. and Peter MacKay was the last real moderate conservative in the party with any power... and he read the writing on the wall last election and retired).
That first one seems to happen a lot less than the second.
>especially on other parts of 4chan
You go to other parts of 4chan REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
But seriously I suppose you're right. I used to hang out a lot on /tg/ before finding my 'home' in /k/. And there is a lot less of the first one there (a lot less of the 2nd one too, thankfully).
While /g/, which I occasionally visit because technology is the field I'm entering, seems to bitch about Indians and women more than anything.
I agree it happens a lot on other boards, but even then it's just usually
>lol stupid/fat americans
The whole Sweden yes thing seems to get the whole world engaged in shitposting.
Beyond that, /k/ strikes me as a fairly american board, and generally more respected on /k/ then elsewhere considering U.S gun laws.
You do realize thats accepted refugees (Pakolainen) and does not include refugee-applicants (Turvapaikanhakija), I hope you can realize now that Finland is slowly being turned to Sweden with endless amounts of shitskin pouring through the cracks in the feeble attempts of closing the borders by the Finnish goverment realizing their idiotic error.
While sweden has done a lot of nasty shit to Finland, most of which swedes dont even know or realize (like buying Finnish gold for the price of scrap iron during ww2, becaue Finn's had to sell to afford the war, or having a nuke-finland plans on cold war.. that sort of fuck-finns mentality)
We couldn't risk political incidents so foreign volunteers during the wars were kept out of combat. Long story short, Sweden hasn't been much use to Finland after the reneissance..
Still, there have always been Swede-bros that have been on our side, and the rivalry between Sweden and Finland have been in the recent years more of a brotherly competition than anything else.
So now that Sweden is lost to shitskin invasion, I welcome our Swede-bros to Finland to enjoy the few years Finland has left before it too drowns in shit.
As for the defence.. we're all fucked here. Won't get better, don't expect it to. Just hope there wont be a war. And thats coming from a active VIP Reservist.
I don't know man, it's becoming borderline.. atleast here in Finland.
I'd go as far to say: "Visit us now, while you still can visit the true Finland."