Why are there so many gun related accidents in US but so less in Switzerland?
Why are so many children (accidently) shot in US but so less in Switzerland?
I get confronted with that question all the time when i (try to) explain to ppl that guns are not bad.
The per capita rate isn't that bad but saying we have 30,000 deaths involving firearms every year sounds scary as fuck.
Basically all of your questions boil down to the fact that the US has 350 million people and Switzerland doesn't. Plus in Switzerland, IIRC, everyone is trained so they can act as a militia. Unlike the US where congress is too damn cheap and too many antis to have that happen.
>>28594275 I'm not being racist but look at most poor income neighborhoods, African Americans, gangs, hate crimes, all related and most gangs have guns, they don't value human life in these parts so they shoot each other, or an argument turns into a gun fight. The U.S. is fucked up in the head, we need help.
Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime for their population level in the US.
Pretty much. Though I don't think we're that bad off. Less lies and lower taxes will probably fix everything.
Yurop is fucked up as well, when i tell someone "I'm not racist, but..." any further arguments are invalid - they won't even listen to me anymore.
Fuck. I'm pretty sure i can go to jail if i said something like that.
What about Canada?
>between 14-21 million civilian owned guns
>assuming 21 million guns, 59.7 guns per 100 people
>US has 112.6 per 100 people
>Switzerland has 45.7 per 100 people
>Switzerland has 25 per 100 if you take out militia weapons
>780 people die from guns in Canada
>592 of those deaths were suicides
>15 of those deaths were accidents
>173 were homicides
>11 times more likely to be killed in a car accident than get shot by someone in Canada
Expanded Homicide Data Table 3
Murder Offenders by Age, Sex, and Race, 2011
Arrest by Race, 2011
American Indian or Alaskan Native 619
Asian or Pacific Islander 547
Expanded Homicide Data Table 6
Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Victim by Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Offender, 2013
Race of victim
Black or African American: 2491
Other race: 159
Race of offender (white victims)
Black or African American: 189
Other race: 32
Car argument doesn't work, most ppl say they would ban cars too if cars weren't so important for work.
Firearms are not important at all, atleast for the general public here in yurop.
I want my kids to have guns, but the current lookout is that its very unlikely that i will ever be able to buy guns with my weapons permit.
The fact still remains that white victims are murdered by white offenders over 90% of the time. White Americans fear and hate blacks for committing so much violent crime but the reality is that if whites are murdered, they are most likely going to be murdered by members of their own race.
Victimization of blacks follows a similar pattern. Basically, blacks are killing themselves and blaming whites.
If you are a white American, you don't have much reason to fear the black boogeyman. The thugs are killing other thugs. Stay in safe neighbourhoods.
you mean this one?
No CCW or open carry allowed here, also no idiotic gun culture like yours. You really can't compare our countries.
Yes they are pretty expensive guns. I've shot a few hundred shots with it and it's a pretty reliable gun. Never had any malfunction, pretty easy to maintain too.
>epidemic of firearm deaths
oh yes it'd all be such a peaceful and great society if those people were murdering each other with knives instead
it's the use of guns that make murder a bad thing
>White Americans fear and hate blacks for committing so much violent crime but the reality is that if whites are murdered, they are most likely going to be murdered by members of their own race.
That's because they're more likely to know other white people, dipshit. Put this another way: any given nigger is more likely to kill you than any given white man.
What is the price of a sig in the us?
They cost here aprox 3500 and you wont get them cheaper
If i was proud of the german heritage, noone would think of it as beeing racist - they would call me nazi but thats about it.
It's only racist if you insult blacks or asian ppl, well i wouldn't even have to insult them - if i use some out of date euphemisms for blacks i'm a racist as well.
That doesn't matter, any austrian who is proud of his race is proud of the german race - because they say its a race linked to the language
Ich bin Österreicher, wir haben hier keine idiotische waffenkultur - nur selten blöde waffengesetze.
What do you pay for one? In Austria they START at 3000 yuroshekels, and are poorly converted for austrian law.
I've shot with one before, i didn't like it because it was much heavier than the other guns i shot that day(Polish Beryll, German G36, Austrian Stg77)
You pay in kidneys.
Before you buy your Swarovski so you can get you glorious rifle to do glorious rifle things.
The answer is relatively simple: Switzerland has gun control, and doesn't allow every wacko to own a gun. Also, self defense with guns is discouraged, CC and OC are very limited. So finally, you have less wackos with guns walking around armed.
Gun control in the USA should be like this: everyone is automatically granted I gun purchase license. Get convicted for violent crimes or drug related offenses, or get placed in a nuthouse for any reason, and you lose your license. 2nd amendment is respected, gun control is in place.
The idea of licensing our Constitutionally guaranteed birth liberties is obscene and totalitarian.
Your lack of understanding of the founding ethos of our half of what used to be Western civilization is not our problem.
Now fuck off.
>implying I was implying we need national healthcare
We just need to way revamp how mental health is taught, and instead of having psychologists be a complete joke, maybe teach them to do something other than throw pills at schizophrenic people.
>Gun control in the USA should be like this:
Except that's effectively how it is, stinky foreigner. We try to keep bureaucracy to a minimum because you can't fathom how many people live here.
Unlike European countries, America is fuckhuge. Our population is large. Giving out licenses by default and then taking them away when crims crim is needlessly expensive, when simply putting the crims on a list of fuckers that can't gun is more efficient.
is basically how it is in the United States right now.
Except you never hear about some "wacko" with a CC permit waving his gun around, because if you fuck up with your CC on you, you get double fucked by the police.
Law is fine.
You can glorifiy and deny the holocaust, if you are an immigrant - no one would take you serious so no charges held.
The law that forbids that was only passed recently, i believe its up since 01.01.
So violent sex offending rapists should have guns? Cmon. I'm all for muh freedoms but use your fucking head.
I'm aware this is how the system is supposed to currently operate.
The paranoia is also ridiculous considering that most of those murders occur in their respective communities. It may be true that most black neighborhoods are absolutely riddled with murders and crime, and moreso than white neighborhoods, but that doesn't mean that the black family that moved next door in your sleepy suburb is more likely to mug you.
>No CCW or open carry allowed here
Neither of these contribute in any significant way to firearms deaths so I don't see the correlation there.
There are more gun related accidents in the US because there are both more people and guns in the US. Combine that with a worse education system and a lot of poor people and you end up with irresponsible parents who leave loaded firearms in easy reach of children.
Bullshit, unless you're a convicted felony offender. By and large we *do* encourage self defense, and most states allow CCW. there is an increasing movement for Constitutional carry.
The fuck is it with the sudden influx of junior highers into day/k/are today?
Cold race war because of a legacy of discrimination and trickle-down economic and social policy instead of investing in giving the next generation the tools to success.
Guns aren't the problem. Their presence makes violence more convenient and easy, but it's not like knife and machete attacks don't happen too for all the same reasons.
30% of the population is committing 60% percent of the crime.
And don't claim poverty as an excuse. That's racist. Your saying poor blacks are to stupid or to morally bankrupt to obey the law.
We need to get back to public executions for capital crimes.
Show somebody being quartered by cables and electric motors and those murder numbers will drop pretty fast.
Even if the average offender is stupid, watching his buddy get torn apart on national television will make him think twice.
What the fuck why is everyone completely misunderstanding me in this thread?
First rolf thinks I'm saying pederasts can have guns, then you whack yourself with the retard rake.
He says we need a license like the commie weirdo he is, then I say we effectively have a similar system because you can't have a gun if you have any breech of trust or violent convictions or felonies of any kind.
He doesn't understand our legal system, culture, anything. He's being european as fuck and I hate euros and their big momma mentality.
take care of yourself and your own. being forced to take care of someone you don't want to is theivery, plain and simple, eurocucks.
Collateral, not all car accidents result in only the irresponsible person getting killed but often result in innocent people dying as well, same goes for people handling firearms irresponsibly.
>implying the fucker that is hanging around someone with shit trigger discipline is going to do anything except work at a gas station until they die in a car wreck.
I don't think you realize just how many people die in car wrecks.
It's pretty simple actually, that and mental health institutions are rare now.
The answer is niggers and we've proven it. Sorry but it's true. Not even a /pol/fag, the statistics prove it. Blacks commit way more violent crime in the US, it's insanely disproportionate. If you want to know why niggers commit crime, well you have a couple choices in answers. Poverty, gang culture and the drugs it brings with it, Jewish manipulation, white oppression, melanin, welfare, inherent inferiority, plenty of answers you can latch on to but the truth is no one really knows.
If you want an answer that makes you feel good, just make one up.
Also another thing to bear in mind is Americans kill the shit out of eachother WITHOUT guns way more than Europeans do too. Our murder rate with all guns ruled out is still higher than western European nations total murder rate. We just kill eachother more here.
It is simple really. Who is in the US? Where did they come from? Why did they come here?
The US is comprised of religious fanatics, criminals, entrepreneurs, rebels, and every country's unwanted.
Almost everyone here is descended from someone running from something. We are the rejects of the rest of the civilized world and then everyone acts surprised when we fuck shit up all the time. Shit Americans have killed more Americans that the rest of the world combined.
Everyone here is related to fanatics and nutjobs... its part of our culture.
Also, fuck the kids that get shot. That means their parents are irresponsible shitheads and shouldn't be breeding. If people are stupid and they die as a result oh fucking well you can't fix stupid. Throw some bleach in the gene pool once in awhile its good for humanity.
In any case there were under 9.000 gun related HOMICIDES in 2014 (the most recent reliable year for data). Let us round up to 9000 and see that as a portion of the population. 319 million in 2014 leaves us with a .00002% chance as an American civilian to die in a gun related homicide. With those odds who gives a fuck?
You are 18,000 times more likely to get away with murder in the US than get killed by a gun in a homicide.
Chill out /pol/, MLK was a cool dude, not all blacks are niggers.
Getting good European guns over here is such an issue. The best you can get is a PS90 for ~$1300. Maybe one day enough /k/ommandos will have the money to get these companies to make more of their lineup available over here.
Thank you for being the only one that gives me an answer that won't make me sound like a stereotypical "racist gun owner" when I ever bring it up in a debate.
I will only add that quite a few white Americans are descended from rowdy Ulster Scots who in turn were descended from rowdy Border Reivers. The difference in criminality between Hatfields and McCoys in Kentucky on the one hand and Johanssons and Haroldsons in Minnesota on the other is not NEARLY as significant as the difference between American whites and American blacks, but it's there.
The issue with the whole race thing is that, unfortunately, it IS very true that blacks and other minorities proportionally commit far more murders. It'll probably be brought up in those debates of someone asks why the US has a higher crime rate.
Where /pol/ gets wrong is that they try to use those statistics to make it seem that being black makes you a degenerate ape, even if you're a law abiding normie outside those statistics. It's exactly like anti-gun people claiming if YOU own a gun, YOU'RE more likely to murder someone.
Go to page 22. There were a whopping 505 accidental gun deaths in the US in 2013.
Thats 505 death by firearms out of a country of 350 million so
There is a rate of .0144 accidental firearms deaths per year per 10000 people in the US.
They don't just delineate by "child" and "adult", so lets break down those deaths by age group.
Age under 1 yrs: 3 deaths
0.00008 infants per 10000 people died of accidental firearm discharge.
Age 1-4 yrs: 27 deaths
,0007 children aged 1-4 yrs per 10000 people died of accidental firearms discharge.
Age 5-14 yrs: 39 deaths
0.001 people aged 5-14 per 10000 people died of accidental firearms discharge.
Deaths age 15-24:107
0.003 people aged 15-24 per 10000
No, Swissbro, we don't have a problem with accidental firearms deaths, this is especially true for children. Those that say so are faggots pushing the cultural marxist agenda or are stupid enough to listen to the media.
Not many in this country, much less those running for offices, are mature enough to:
1. Have a real civil talks about racial cultures and genetics.
2. Refrain from going to stupid extremes like genocide.
3. Not ending the discussion in some sort of physical altercation.
4. Not shutting down mentally whether from being some thin skinned cunt or the reality being to far big of a pill to swallow.
Few of us are some what mature enough to admit or open up about all this but I've met a few people like so here and IRL but it won't be enough.
statistics can be among the most misleading arguments by missing true cause and effect.
I would suspect poverty is playing into crime rates more than race. especially in area's where you have the generally wealthy in close proximity to generally poor. ie big cities.
I live in a nigger infested area and am from a place thats even worse. Black "culture" in america glorifies violence. Cant bring it up because das raysiss but its true. If there are any black anons here, please help your people understand that they are being their own worst enemy.
>be my dad.
>dindu in front of him in line to get helped.
>dindu fingerfucking glock. Turns to the black dude behind dad in line.
>tries to talk to other black dude about blasting mo'fuckas.
>black bro behind dad turns out to be an african that moved to england before coming to the US. Middle aged guy.
>black bro goes off on dindu in a british accent.
>tells him that he is part of the problem and why blacks have a bad rep across the world and to cut that shit out.
>dindu leaves in shame.
>dad and african/brit guy's faces when.
>Because there's more blacks, and pyscopaths here in USA, we have an epidemic of firearm deaths that most gun owners won't admit.
Which is why we need more guns for protection than any other country on earth.
Ever hear of the eighth amendment? Ya know, one of those RIGHTS that are intrinsically granted to us?
What if gun-grabbers took control and tried to make negligent discharge a capital crime?
-And a much, much wider income gap.
-And a diverse population of varying religions, traditions, backgrounds and experiences.
-And a deficit in available health care.
-And no free higher education for all able citizens.
-And a higher degree of religiosity inducing, buttressing, and protecting an entrenched anti-intellectualism/anti-science sphere.
-And authoritarian approval of victimization, perpetuating disunity.
If our citizens and, in turn, our government, were capable of achieving a socio/economic/political state like that enjoyed by the Nordic countries, both our gun rights and our citizens would be much safer.
Liberals point to socioeconomic causes for every single problem in society, and then point to the presence of an object when it comes to guns. Gun control advocates are the climate change deniers of the Left.
The NRA is stuck with a member base and political allies which outright refuse to pursue the very policies which would benefit everyone, including gun owners. Because of this, they can't point out the solutions to violence and crime because it will alienate their base, and because they can't do that their forced to contribute to the problem of political polarization in the US. The Left has historically been more pro-gun than the traditional Right, at least in the Anglo political tradition. It's only been the past few decades where the opposite alignment has become the galvanized norm. Because the majority of gun rights advocates bundle the entire conservative platform with the issue, the Left cannot be educated and persuaded.
You can unhelpfully say, "Oh the Left is just stupid, fuck them" and remain forever in the precarious situation of having our gun rights eroded and just one Congressional election away from terminal threat, OR we can actually examine why places like Japan (noguns extreme) and Switzerland (full auto ubiquitous) are comparably safe; and, then use that information to better our country and protect our rights.
I think CC should be limited to those who can prove they are reasonably proficient. If the police need to qualify on their firearms then the general public should face a similar measure of competence in order to CC in public.
That question itself proves that you are right.
If guns were the problem, there would be no difference.
What is the real answer? It's two-fold:
1. The entire population has had at least basic training. They served in the militia or whatever. So they're educated about gun use. In reality, this really only prevents accidents, which only account for like 2% of gun deaths in the US anyway, though. So what's the real answer?
2. They have a homogenized culture. There are not enough ethnic people to have identity politics and subcultures.
Break down the shootings in the US. Who is doing the shooting? The vast majority are young blacks who are in gangs. The whole "mass shooting" thing is something to look at, but accounts for less than 1% of gun homicides. The probably there is the media: it literally gives those crazies everything they want. It will make them a celebrity and even publish their manifesto for them.
The problem in the US is culture. Specifically multiculturalism. Mainstream America isn't doing the shooting, even though many of them think they are. It's the "problem populations".
There is no simple solution, because one of two things has to happen (which probably never will). Either those cultures have to integrate into mainstream culture (they never will, because they've been told their whole lives that they can't be liberals), or they have to grow up. In the case of blacks, this again won't happen because they are encouraged, by the same people who claim to be helping them, to keep doing what they are doing. They are told that "no, you cannot succeed. You will be spit and and treated like shit", which is another lie.
What the black community needs is strong, successful black men who will RETURN to those shitholes, and lift them up. The problem is, while the civil rights movement did let black men integrate into mainstream white culture, the blacks who weren't smart enough all got left behind.
The more heterogeneous a population is the more problems it will have. With firearms as a cornerstone of American culture it's no surprise that there's so much gun violence here when there wasn't 50, 60 years ago when the populations were segregated. Don't mistake it for an epidemic though, most gun violence is black on black between two poor parties, arising from their culture (however arrived at) of violence.
In Switzerland (and in other European gun states like CZ) the population is more homogenous and the culture is much less proud and much less violent, so gun violence is relatively unheard of
Racial homogeny is the tldr
All of the sudden, black neighborhoods, which used to have strong, proud leaders who could organize the population for constructive purposes, left. The people who didn't leave felt betrayed. This is why so many of them demonize trying to do well in school, dressing nice, etc.: they've conditioned themselves to see those people as race traitors. In other words, by acting like an upstanding citizen, you are acting "white" or like an "uncle tom".
Switzerland does even have a concept of these issues because they're not affected by them. Admittedly, we can't just get rid of our problem populations, so that is something we have to deal with. But the solution is not to disarm the people outside of those populations. The only solution is to either accept that blacks are going to keep killing each other due to gang violence, or to get black leaders to give poor, uneducated blacks their pride back. Which would be a monumental task.
Switzerland has very similar laws to us but they also have a much better healthcare system that addresses the mental issues of would be mass murderers. Also we have a couple hundred million more people than them and 60% of our deaths are suicide which ties in with the mental health issue
>a much better healthcare system that addresses the mental issues of would be mass murderers.
>implying healthcare is the problem
How percentage of gun deaths are "would be mass murderers"?
>Why are there so many gun related accidents in US but so less in Switzerland?
>Why are so many children (accidently) shot in US but so less in Switzerland?
>I get confronted with that question all the time when i (try to) explain to ppl that guns are not bad.
You should ask this in /pol/: they have stats for who shoots themselves and each other.
>here in yurop.
>the current lookout is that its very unlikely that i will ever be able to buy guns with my weapons permit.
>here in yurop.
So how long a drive is it from you to Serbia or Albania? Got cash or vodka?
>go home with a crate of AK.
You say this as though there is a rash of CC'ers blasting the wrong people. People who carry regularly (not including people who have a license but never carry, like my wife) almost universally shoot regularly as well.
Are they dealing drugs or robbing people so they can afford nice things?
It's not poverty in and of itself. It's several things that mix together to explode into violence. Sadly poverty is one of these.
>It's not poverty in and of itself. It's several things that mix together to explode into violence. Sadly poverty is one of these.
Ahhh anon, but that's not what you said the first time. Not at all.
are there? gun accidents in US are still pretty small, if youre going to make claims like that OP at least throw out the numbers per capita for both. lets start with facts instead of analyzing conjecture
car argument is retarded, its the same in america. only like .6% of accidental deaths in the USA are firearms related
>Because there's more blacks, and pyscopaths here in USA, we have an epidemic of firearm deaths that most gun owners won't admit.
It's not that there's blacks, it's that there's less conflict and tension in a country that's almost completely homogeneous.
Why not just have a "permit to purchase" like the swiss have?
Basically a background check that gives you a certificate. You hand said certificate in to the fun-store guy, show ID, and buy as many guns as you want of whatever type you want, no registration.
You get another permit if you wanna buy more funs.
>40 times bigger
this guy basically sums it all up. switzerland is a country of like 99% rich white people with low population density. america has 45 times greater population, 10% nigger, 20% mexican, living in urban metropolis cities larger than your entire country
That's pretty close to what I meant, except you seem to describe that it expires, which I hadn't considered. I figured some background check/proof of serious business training if you want the CC sticker, or full-fun sticker, and you can buy whatever, and carry whatever. Don't even need to get a new permit. It's not like you forgot really, you already passed your background check.
No, the biggest reason why is because there are more people in poverty here, and we have more blacks and mexicans here than you do, and yes that is apart of the issue, not because of their skin color, more to do with their upbringing and education, thus this leads to them causing an enormous amount of crime compared to whites and asians here. If you remove black and mexican crimes, our crime rates would drop like a rock.
How does a gun culture increase violence again? I'd like to hear your argument on that.
Oh, well, okay, not on your ID I guess. Separate gun license so you don't need to whip it out and show the cop everytime you get stopped for a bad tail light or whatever.
I would say just on my license because I hate carrying a ton of shit in my wallet.
first off you start with a false premise
>accidental (unintentional) gun deaths per 100,000 people
so pretty comparable. now as far as the firearms (not total) homicide rate disparity:
that is easily explained by:
population switzerland: 8 million
population los angeles: 18 million
single american cities are more than twice as large as their whole country, and we have 10 times the nigger problem and 20 times the mexican problem they do.
Yeah, but the Swiss way you are not singled out as a gun owner. It's not a licence, its a permit to buy guns, with no limit on that purchase.
Basically, it proves that you're not a criminal, etc. Much as the existing US background check does. Except that Switzerland is not a nofuns-government dystopia.
You don't need one to buy ammo, for example. Just to buy guns.
But there is no permanent record of firearm ownership, unlike the US system. No stack of forms at the gun store, just waiting for a change in law for an ATF raid...
I know a lot of yurofags will read through many of these posts and accuse a lot of the americans here of racism, and while some of them maybe racist, the "Black and mexican" argument isn't wrong, maybe the way it's delivered is wrong but the end result IS correct. The Mexican and Black populations do contribute to crime far more than Whites and Asians do for example.
The gun "Issue" in the US (This issue is actually going away regardless of gun control) is more to do about demographics than the culture or access to guns.
you have limits on ownership though right? isnt there a limit on how many you can buy? i seem to remember there are multiple permits. do you get a permit every time to buy a new gun, or one permit you bring with you to store every time you want a new one?
Why don't we put a little F tattood or attached to all felons so that we may identify them in the streets and know instantly not to allow them the same rights as we have. Then maybe we can come up with a solution to the issue, a Final Solution, if you will.
Swiss: German 65%, French 18%, Italian 10%, Romansch 1%, other 6%
US: White: 211,460,626 (75.1%); Black: 34,658,190 (12.3%); Asian: 10,242,998 (3.6%); American Indian and Alaska Native: 2,475,956 (0.9%); Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander: 398,835 (0.1%); other race: 15,359,073 (5.5%); Hispanic origin:1 35,305,818 (12.5%)
There is a far larger variety of races in the US than Switzerland, you're a fucking imbecile if you're being serious.
Right a population with the vast majority being white and very little, if any, non white communities is totally not homogenous. Are you serious dude? America IS called a melting pot for a reason dude, who refers to Switzerland in the same manner? No one outside of that country.
What has shade of brownness has to do with diversity?
I guess Serb and Norwegian are the same because they are white.
But Jamal is diverse, despite that he lives 400 years in the USA.
What the fuck being white has to do with it? America is nowhere near diverse comparing with similar sized countries. Even tons of countries in Europe are more diverse.
Diversity isn't the shade of brownness you Mongol.
Tyrone and Pedro that speaks English and live in US for 5 generations only count as diverse in some twisted WASP reality.
Foreign born population is much better metric.
No, it's not because both whites and blacks can speak English or German or French, the ORIGINS of language are indeed based off race, however to suggest that your race has anything to do with your current language is laughable in western modern countries. I for example speak Russian, yet have no relation to Russia or any slavic country.
In addition the difference between and African and a European descendant is far greater and FAR more noticeable than one who comes from Norway or Serbia.
If what I am saying isn't true why is it that the black or mexican populations tend to not only cause more crime but also have higher poverty levels in them?
Let me ask you this, how many purely french or Italian communities are there in Switzerland compared to African or Mexican communities in the US for example?
White has a lot to do with it because there are communities in the country that are pure white or predominately white, there are also communities here that are also pure black, mexican, asian, etc. And in these communities the people are brought up with different culture and morality, some of which are similar yet a lot are vastly different, when you compare an African American to a Caucasian American, both of who were raised in there respective communities you will notice a big difference in morality, and culture.
And as I said before, it's much easier to get along with someone who is the same color of skin as you are than someone who is not, it's human nature to be tribalistic.
I know you guys don't understand this because you've met like two or three blacks in your entire lives, but trust me, race DOES have a big impact, at least here in the US.
There are more people from actual Africa per capita in Switzerland.
US blacks that you use for crime statistics are 400 years removed from any African culture.
That Bosnian who is Muslim and moved to Switzerland is way more diverse than any US black.
You again aren't getting my point you blistering thick headed moron, that black in the US is not the same as the black that is from Africa, that is true, however, that black from Africa is similar to the black in the US because both are brought up in a different culture that you and I are, I grew up in a largely white community, we have different morality and culture that a black community from Detroit for example.
You see, the US is a huge nation, geographically, Switzerland is a puny nation comparably, as someone pointed out the entire population in that country is smaller than a lot of our major cities. They are also spread out far more than the swiss are, this allows for a large variation of cultures to spring up. A man from Texas is going to have a different culture and upbringing than a man from New York or California. Simply because they are both Americans does not automatically mean we all have the same culture.
Imagine if we were reversed, imagine Europe as one giant Nation instead of multiple countries put together and the US as many countries. The fact remains that throughout both countries you will find a variation in culture regardless if they both fall under the same nation or not.
In addition, to make sure you finally get it, but to be honest I know you won't, I'm just doing this to laugh at your stupidity, "Jamal" didn't just do nothing for 400 years, his people developed a new culture of there own alongside the Europeans who also came here.
Tl;dr (Since I know this will help someone like you) America isn't just one giant singular culture throughout it's 312+ million population.
url has a troll sounding name but its stats of murders in chicago, one city in america, since January 1, 2016.
in 19 days, 186 people shot, 29 killed. thats ONE city, which has 1/3 the population of the entire country of switzerland. out of those 29 homicides in the last 2.5 weeks, 21 were blacks, 6 were hispanic, 2 were white/unknown. no city in switzerland has this rate of homicide, because no city in switzerland is 32% black by population
to add, i dont think europeans understand the difference between their blacks and american blacks. the closest analogy you euros might understand is american black subculture is like your arab rapefugee subculture. they are programmed that the world owes them, they dont respect shit because they grew up that way with shit/no parenting, they dont mind killing someone for "disrespeckting", anything seen as "white owned" like corporate businesses, retail outlets, quickie marts, is fair game for the taking, because they believe whites deserve it and owe them
Are you all inbred dropouts from Kentucky?
Is pretty capita concept not taught US schools?
By any metric besides the shades of brownness, Switzerland is more diverse than USA.
I'm out of this thread.
Awh, did the poor baby not get his way? Poor poor swissbro :(
Just gfto and cry about how much you hate Americans to your predominately white friends, you weren't adding anything to the conversation anyways you faggot.
do you even know what diversity is? you are operating under the assumption that foreign born = diversity. this is not correct. 10% of americans are black, but were born in america. they were brought to america 300 years ago as slaves. how else does this basic information need to be spoonfed to you?
This retard thinks that since a lot of people in Swiszterland are immigrants that it makes them more diverse, what this moron doesn't realize is that the vast majority of these people are from neighboring nations with cultures very similar to theres who hold the same moral values while in the US their immigrants are from vastly different places with completely different morals and culture.
A man from France will have more in common with a man from Germany than a man from the US will have with a man from Mexico.
thats what im trying to tell him. his idea of diversity in switzerland is absolutely retarded. white european germans and french living in white eurpoean switzerland is not much of a cultural change. most of those european countries were all the same country at some point in recent history anyway
america is a million times more diverse, travel there sometime buddy>>28602873
heres typical american crowd
and typical swiss crowd
There isn't much else you can do about schizoid type disorders retard. Psychologists can't give medication. Psychiatrists(or completely inept general practicitioner family doctors) can.
fuck off dickweed I dont need more barriers to the medication keeping me sane
Because the US doesn't have storage requirements so a disproportionate amount of people leave loaded firearms in the home/vehicles within access of thieves, children and visitors.
Also, handguns are huge in the US like no other country, these are easier to self-sweep with than long arms.
You have too get a special license to "import" yourself a weapon, and it can get denied for no reason other than "suspicion". And because Serbia is not in EU you will be checked at the croatian (Schengen) border.
Because if you have them your a fat ameriburger LMAO XD go get shot by police hahaha we have no problem in europe please move along nothing to see here. We are better because we don't let anyone own weapons of mass destruction. Leellle how long since you got shot at by crazy whitetotinggunfooltype?
The constitution does not grant any rights. It simply recognizes natural born rights. Self defence is a natural right. You have it too dispite your governments best efforts.
Self defence is discouraged? Self defence is the preservation of ones life.
Sure it would be great if the fantasy was true and criminals only nig cause the system gave them no other option, and that all nigs could be rehabilitated and all crimes got solved and bad things never happen to someone who doesn't deserve it
> the terrorists only attacked because we made an enemy out of them. INTEGRATION INTEGRATION!!!
But that's not the world we live in. I or my family worked hard for what we have. Why should a dindu get a free pass at whatever I own? Is it because my ancestors supported the slave trade? Is it because me being white some how oppresses him?
> If you kill a criminal. You prevent him from creating more crime. Both directly and indirectly.
He is dead and cannot crime anymore. Other criminals will see that people are killing criminals and get smarter or give up the life.
> if you let him escape, he will be imboldened.
Self explanatory on why that's bad.
> if he is dumb enough to get caught.
He becomes a drain on the system to only be released back into the public.
Your governments are slowly realizing that they are overly complicated, wasteful and, just all around bad at their jobs.
> job security.
As long as you keep the criminals on the streets there will need to be police to clean them up, and politicans to control the police. That's what they tell us.
> Why approach the source of the problem, when solving the problem is what keeps us in business?
> Use a bunch of feel good temporary answers to keep the sheepole happy.
The real deal breaker that no one wants to admit.
> crime is good for the economy we created.
Now that certainly sucks. How much have we fucked up as a species that so many people make legal comfortable livings off of the fear of crime.
Seriously? I often visit /pol/, but that's more than even they will ask for for felons.
How about- if you can't trust them to not reoffend if they are allowed guns, why not just not let them out until you can?
The only limit on ownership is special conditions in case of full-auto stuff, which IS registered. (Storage requirements, deeper checks.)
No barrel length limits like the US, no quantity limits. No CC (except with a special and hard to get permit) so that sucks, but OTOH, remember the Swiss don't have massive sub-cultures sharing their nation like the US does.
You need a permit to buy guns. Basically, its a certificate that shows you passed the background check. You need to re-do it each time you wish to buy guns. Let's say that on Monday you got your permit so you go to the store, show ID, hand over the permit, and you bought a StG-57, a HK-94, a Mossberg 500, a Winchester Model 70, and a 1917 Luger.
You go home a very happy, but less rich, man.
On Tuesday, you wake up, remember the cash stuffed in the mattress of the spare bed and think: "oh man, I really should have gotten that phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range" you need to get another permit to purchase.
I fully support this. Wear your F in shame of the acts you committed.
I also fully support killing would be criminals willy nilly.
> if you try to rob me, my house or place of business I will drop you without warning.
It's best for society that way. The only real solution to preventing crime is killing criminals. Sad? Maybe. Some people might honestly be victims of the white majority. But the only way to be sure your solving the problem is to remove it. Stamp it out.... kill niggers.
I have a Swiss and American passport. Grew up in states, and never did Swiss army -- went to college hear, thinking about going back and doing it. Anyway, do you know if there's anyway for me to import a 550 to us? I plan on buying one next time I'm in Switzerland and keeping at my parents house there. But I'd rather have it stateside, or both
>nyway for me to import a 550 to us
Not really. Under US law, it is still technically "convertible" to automatic, so no.
Isn't there a rifle almost exactly the same made by SIG USA?
30,000 gun deaths, of which over 60% are suicides.
A major reason for the violence in america is the pervasive use and advertisement of psychiatric drugs. What other country allows television ads for zoloft, paxil, etc., to the point where our babied, hypochondriac, crazed, webMD addicted society can see the ad and say "yeah, i get sad sometimes" and go to their doctor who is handsomely compensated for every script he writes to get these major drugs thrown at them?
America really ought to look to its mental health institutions and glorification of mass murders perpetrated by the media.
If you stop making big headline stories about the deranged narcissistic fucks and actually treat people for their mental health issues; that way you can stop that kind of violence.
Having people concealed carrying and stopping these suicidal mass-murderers is an excellent back-up option though.
Excluding terrorism, 90% of mass shooters in the last 20 years have been on long-term SSRI use. (A class of psychoactive prescription drugs.)
>Here is what Google provided on page 1 when I typed in "SSRI mass killer":
Interestingly enough, early SSRI's were tested by the CIA as part of MK-ULTRA.
No, it's not "heavily regulated". Why do you faggots keep lying about this? Even faggots on Swiss proxies to lie about it. How fucking much does Bloomberg pay you to shit this crap out?
It's true to say that there are higher crime rates in black communities in general, and not even a little racist (unless you literally just believe blacks are the problem). The problem is that black men grow up in poor ghettos with little exposure to ways of life beyond slinging drugs and stealing, and so they go on to reciprocate - why bother working hard and getting a job when your friend Jack just got $10,000 slinging rock? And you have the connections to start doing it yourself. Cue the cycle of poor black kids growing up poor and never seeing a better way.
That's why it's important to put an emphasis on integrated housing projects which take poor black families that meet the eligibility requirements, and gives them a huge discount on upper-class homes in predominately white neighborhoods. In most cases (90%+), the black transplantees go on to college, crime rates wither and die, and it's proven to break the "cycle" of the ghetto. The kids of blacks who go through programs like this grow up to raise their kids in a similar manner and impart similar values.
Look up "Baltimore Housing Project" for a good example.
>thinks the background check is for ammo.
>not for the initial purchase of guns.
>Has no idea there is no license or other check for ammo purchases in CH.
I cannot grasp how the US school system must have tried and yet failed so badly at teaching you basic English grammar and coherent sentence structure.
Not quite- you can be a male adult who opted for the non-military service, which is longer than the military one, and you can still buy firearms.
Mr. Picard was referring to the service rifle that Swiss men keep for military service. Soldiers are no longer issued a sealed tin of ammo to keep with their military equipment at home.
Look man. You keep posting that memetale shit and I might just have to click that report option. Just a few clicks and key strokes and boom you're banned like a AGM-114 Hellfire atomizing some jihadi. Your /k/ days are over and you'll have to try some forum to socialize or one of the shitty chan spin offs. Don't temp me.
>That's why it's important to put an emphasis on integrated housing projects which take poor black families that meet the eligibility requirements, and gives them a huge discount on upper-class homes in predominately white neighborhoods.
No, this is false. All this does is spread the crime across a wide area. The city likes it because it gets ride of high-crime areas at the expense of the suburbs.
>In most cases (90%+), the black transplantees go on to college, crime rates wither and die, and it's proven to break the "cycle" of the ghetto
Citation fucking needed.
About six months ago, they decided to put a hunch to the test. Janikowski merged his computer map of crime patterns with Betts’s map of Section8 rentals. Where Janikowski saw a bunny rabbit, Betts saw a sideways horseshoe (“He has a better imagination,” she said). Otherwise, the match was near-perfect. On the merged map, dense violent-crime areas are shaded dark blue, and Section8 addresses are represented by little red dots. All of the dark-blue areas are covered in little red dots, like bursts of gunfire. The rest of the city has almost no dots.
Betts remembers her discomfort as she looked at the map. The couple had been musing about the connection for months, but they were amazed—and deflated—to see how perfectly the two data sets fit together. She knew right away that this would be a “hard thing to say or write.” Nobody in the antipoverty community and nobody in city leadership was going to welcome the news that the noble experiment that they’d been engaged in for the past decade had been bringing the city down, in ways they’d never expected. But the connection was too obvious to ignore, and Betts and Janikowski figured that the same thing must be happening all around the country. Eventually, they thought, they’d find other researchers who connected the dots the way they had, and then maybe they could get city leaders, and even national leaders, to listen.
Because there isn't such a class gap in Switzerland, they have virtually no poor people, and with that there's less drug abuse, less violent crimes, robberies and shit.
Basically Switzerland is the closest thing there is to a utopia.
The whole point of this article is that by not screening the candidates the negative groups followed them. Putting a criminal in a new neighborhood doesn't make a citizen. Interesting read though
You don't need a gun course anywhere in Switzerland, bud
It's closely linked, really, since you get to take your rifle home while you're still doing yearly rep courses (a dozen years or so) and the very same gun gets used for private sports shooting.
Of course, that doesn't make it any less wrong
>It's closely linked
Except for the people who refuse to do military service, and instead spend much longer doing the Zivildienst, the civilian service, instead.
They still can buy guns.
If pointing out that the reason blacks commit a disproportionate crime isn't because they are black but instead a combination of their socioeconomic status, local culture, and other factors, then sure. I guess I was defending them dirty nig nogs. Time for the day of the rope right guys?
>hurr durr you disagree with me and that makes you a racist nazi, go to /pol/
Fuck off anon. If black americans buy into the "ghetto" culture and glorify crime and drug-dealing, it is just as inexcusable as when a white american decides that he'll rob armoured cars for a living because working 9 to 5 is too boring.
If pointing out that many black americans, especially, young inner-city ones, CHOOSE to take the route they do is racist, well shit, I guess I must be racist.
The poor people in the Appalachians have a population density of about 1 per square mile.
It's easy to have no crime when you have no neighbors (or noone to report your crimes). Fuck, I know a guy who's family is still "feuding" with another bunch of rednecks, Hatfield and McKoy style. I doubt they report it every time one of their family or the other has a 'hunting accident'.
I think the other anon misunderstood you, and thought you were claiming that race (ie: genetics) was the cause. And not culture and other factors.
Oh, you're just retarded and can't read. Okay. I'll break it down.
I said that it isn't because a black person is black. That is saying, it isn't because of their race.
I was saying it was the local culture, their poverty stricken status, and other factors (like the rates of single motherhood and other stuff) which leads to their increased rates of crime.
Then another anon decided that must mean I was defending them evil dindus.
Then you responded to my post at which point I said similar shit to what you just did. If pointing out that it isn't their race and instead other factors, whelp guess I'm defending them.
its a shame because /pol/ was great for the first week or so when it still talked about political issues, then stormfront washed through and its impossible to talk about anything but race there anymore. we really do need a containment containment board, a /kkk/ or something, so people can actually fucking talk about politics
The car argument is stupid because cars are already subject to licensing and a host of other rules and restrictions regarding their use. Because people have no problem understanding that a car, when misused or used irresponsibly, can lead to someone's injury or death. While firearms are generally built for that express purpose (ie: causing death to people and animals).
This matters to the gun debate because the same idiots who make the case that, "Cars kill more people, ban cars!" are also (or seem to be) the ones that want zero restrictions or safety measures for firearms built into the laws, no matter how sensible a training course or required license would be.
Not to mention if there's anything the US (and certainly Canada) has more of than guns, it's cars.
OP here, he only talks about the service weapons
Its much easier, i'm not an swiss citizen - all i needed would be a valid stay permit and a residence in switzerland and i could spend all my money and get broke
Usually swiss ppl dont know their gunlaws, even if they own one - atleast thats what they made me believe when i talked to some swiss army bros.
Don't know if you saw this already, but it is really well written.
Here you go.
The correlation goes the other way. They give SSRIs to anyone for any reason now. The vast majority on SSRIs don't become mass killers, and the vast majority also aren't really helped by or don;t need them.
Novice bait. 45 million people equals 50% of us population somehow.
>Acting like the biggest economy on the planet isn't developed because we have poor people.
If you read it you would understand how stupid your post is.
Took some digging, but here it is.
Was this a kids book from the early 90s? I've been trying to remember what these were called for ages if so. I remember a whole rack of them at the library on post when I was a kid.
While whites are mostly killed by whites and blacks are mostly killed by blacks, it's still true that just as many blacks commit murders as whites, despite being a very small fraction of our population. If you took them out of the equation, our murder rates would be comparable to Europe's.