What's /k/'s thoughts on the Mirage 2000? Hell, what's

>>28588037
Nice plane overall, a little better than the F-16 I'd say (Performance wise)

>>28588037
RAZBAM really needs to incorporate IFF in the next update

>>28588252

F-16 has better sustained turn rate anon which makes it a better dog fighter compared to Mirage's better turn rate that gets worse and worse as the maneuvers go on as it's delta wings simply bleed too much energy for aircraft to sustain fast combat enviroment.

But that's not important right now, f-16 simply evolved much better and got continued avionics updates while French simply doesn't have the same avionic technology as US.

>>28588587
No that's because the french simply abandon their milk cow for something totally unproven

Seriously, there's only one company in France that could build a fighter aircraft, so it's understandable why they have to give priority to Rafale. Mirage 2000 only receive limited avionic update afaik (up to 2000-9 variant, and the only major upgrade is the targeting pod). This, and the increasing maintenance cost, is the reason why other countries began to retire them left and right.

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>>28588037

It shot down an F-16 once.

>>28589247
A greek mirage 2000 shot down a turkish F-16D.

Looks like turkish planes like to violate other countries airspace too...

>>28589433
It just dawned on me that the planes i saw buzzing the Elafonisi beach every 30 mins this summer while on Crete were Mirages.

I was confused because at a first glance they looked like Typhoons, but then when checking the Wiki about the Greek Airforce i didn't see any on the list. Seems I missed the Mirages as well though. Unrelated: Never realized that Greece had such a big Airforce. That's a shitload of planes considering their population/ finances.

>>28589753
Life insurance in case of Ottoman empire 2.0.

>>28589959

Oh yeah, they do hate the turks. They have their own "freedom fries/french fries" thing going on too. I mean you can't just order "turkish coffee" like in the rest of Europre, nope, It's called "greek coffee" there.
It's interesting though, because a lot of people looked distinctly Turkish on Crete, especially from an outsider point of view.

P.s. If you get the opportunity, go to Crete, cruise all over the island. There's a lot of /k/ related history to see(let's say the Germans left an impression).

>>28589753
The armed forces are one of the reasons why Greece is broke.

>>28588037
>What's /k/'s thoughts on the Mirage 2000?

Overpriced and less advanced plane than competition was when it was sold.

>what's /k/'s thoughts on French planes in general?

Overpriced for their performance, nightmare tier industrial cooperation and usually not as mature systems as their sales people say, might work as intended in decade after being delivered.

>>28589753
>Never realized that Greece had such a big Airforce. That's a shitload of planes considering their population/ finances.

Relatively fuck huge military might be a big part why their finances are as fucked up as those are.

>>28588587
>>28588999
The most recent issue of Défense & Sécurité Internationale says "45 of 71 Mirage 2000Ds will receive avionics and equipment upgrades for ground attack operations rendering them servicable til 2030 following the Livre Blanc (french strategic defense review) reduction of Rafale orders from 225 to 152. Mirage 2000-5s will also be upgraded. The upgrade will include a new RADAR, and "most notably, the navigation system". The suite will also allow the integration of AASM and MICA missiles and add two ventral stations for GBU 12s.

>>28590089
Correct me if this is indeed hyperbole, but hasnt this Greek Airforce managed to kill more NATO members than like Taliban in he last 15 years following that crash in Spain?

>>28590132
>Correct me if this is indeed hyperbole, but hasnt this Greek Airforce managed to kill more NATO members than like Taliban in he last 15 years following that crash in Spain?

Not even close. 11 died in that F-16 crash in Spain. It's less than non NATO personnel that have died in ISAF. Ironically it's as many casualties as New Zealand has had in Afghanistan. Entire coalition... 3500 or so casualties since 2001.

>>28590174
As in The Greeks have killed more NATO members than they have killed Taliban...considering their participation was 0.

>>28590132

I doubt greece has gotten 3000+ NATO killed.

>>28590061
>former untermensch haring their former overlords

It's a comon theme. Universal even. You won't find any chinks or gooks who would openly admit that they heart japan, no matter how weaboo they are

>>28588406
Have they fixed the flight model yet? Last time I played, it would do backflips if you turned off the FBW.

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If only the 4000 went into production....

>>28591067
>If only the 4000 went into production....
It would have been inferior to the Rafale

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>>28591083

I meant in the 1980s, when it was originally planned. An F-15 class heavy air superiority fighter like the Mirage 4000 would have given the French Air Force a very flexible High/Low combination of aircraft while at the same time being not terribly more expensive logistically, as both aircraft share a large amount of interchangeability of parts.

>>28591158
But there was the F-15, and the 4000 would have been inferior to it too.

Sad truth is the program was cancelled because there was no market for an F-15 competitor, unless it was VERY cheaper.

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>>28593108

idk why but i'm having a really hard time landing this shithawk in DCS. set to approach mode, on glidslope and my flare always results in excessive sink rate and subsequent harsh impact. wtf i thought delta wings were supposed to be easy.

>>28593603
Why are Mirages so close to the Buran Shuttle in Soviet Union??

>>28593020
It looks like a blowjob plane

>>28593608
Deltas require a higher AoA when flaring, which gives you a lot of lift, but also a lot of drag. Add more thrust to keep your velocity vector closer to the horizon on your HUD.

>>28593608
Mirage 2000 is different from the older deltas in that it's dynamically unstable. It has a FBW system to deal with that, but it means it won't handle like an old delta.

Plus, what this guy is saying>>28593682

>>28593608
If your on speed AOA is correct, you shouldn't need much of a flare if at all. Try flaring closer to the tarmac, also try flaring more slowly, the flare should start out just enough to gently drop your MLG onto the runway and then transition into aerobraking.

Fuck captcha's obsession with fucking street signs.

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>>28593616
>Buran shuttle
>tropical jungle
>soviet union

>>28593616
Bait. This must be bait.

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>>28593909

What's up with the french and their abuse of external fuel tanks?

>>28593924
it's still wealthy

>>28593909
What's the large circle on the bottom of this?

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>>28594022
It’s a cartographic radar. This aircraft had a virtual map of its path to target that allow it to navigate with inertial coordinates. In order to synchronize the internal map and the outside it had to spot specific points with this radar.

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>>28588037
France used to be such a huge player in aerospace, making a number of air-frames. Now they just make Rafales.

France just doesn't have the political capabilities to force other countries to buy their shit like US, and don't have the money to compete with 5th generation planes. UK is the same story though, but even worse.

France needs to stop being so difficult and actually pool their resources with other Euro countries and come out with a 5th/6th generation Eurojet 2.0. Europe is just falling behind in general.

>>28588252
Compared to the F-16 it has crap avionics and crap payload. Last I heard soldiers in Afghanistan ranked the Mirage 2000 as "about as good as receiving CAS from a biplane with hand grenades".

>>28595823
>Europe is just falling behind in general.

it is not. the euros actually have a solid air defense strategy. they just dont invest in crappy planes that have over promising advertising (im looking at you f22 f35).

>>28593924
It's not France, it's Dassault who doesn't quite understand the idea of internal fuel tanks yet.

They'll get there. eventually.

>>28595823
>combined European military projects

That shit just doesn't work. Look at NFR-90 programme, the Eurofighter, the NH90, etc. Too many egos, too much pushing own agendas (ie. preference for contractors from your own country), too much difference in military doctrine, too many language/communication barriers and also a big difference in military spending between the European countries. Bi-national European projects seem to fair much better, but they're always on a smaller scale.

But there is and was no need for Europe to develop a 5th gen fighter. All the European countries that wanted one have already committed to the F-35 years ago, and no fucking way that Dassault would try to develop a 5th gen fighter on their own. They should focus on their nEUROn UCAV, same with BAE and their Taranis.

>>28595823

>UK is the same story though, but even worse.

In what way? The plane the UK pretty much makes (and is the only member of the consortium to have complete independant ability to create alone if needs be) is outselling the Typhoon by a fuck ton, while also putting huge scope into a 5th gen platform, as part of the 2nd largest aerospace industry in the world. Not to mention still selling Hawks by the dozen, and making 33% of every Gripen that sells. And engines for fucktons of military aircraft.

>France needs to stop being so difficult and actually pool their resources with other Euro countries and come out with a 5th/6th generation Eurojet 2.0. Europe is just falling behind in general.

Fuck off. France had that chance half a dozen times before, and they screwed us all every. Single. Fucking. Time. France can take a hike if they think we want to get a pan-European one going with them anymore.

>>28596310

>They should focus on their nEUROn UCAV, same with BAE and their Taranis.

Neuron (which isn't actually French, it's pan-European) and Taranis are pooling for a joint UK/French UCAV, which thus far seems to be following the British model more (Given the British experience in developing these sorts of platforms with Replica and suchlike). So I'm just waiting for the inevitable French tantrum to emerge.

They've already screwed the pooch on the European MALE. Italy, Germany and France agreed to develop one. They asked the Brits, but they told them to take a hike and bought the Reaper. (Smart move) Years on, and suddenly France comes out and says they don't want the MALE to be armed. Italy and German flip the fucking table and order Reaper and (eventually) Heron respectively.

France is once again left on its own, and ends up with Reapers it can't arm instead.

It's always France. ALWAYS.

>>28596620
>bias. The post.