Bear Hunting

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>>28584956
With thermobaric rounds

>>28584956
FAMAS as my primary.
HK USP as my secondary.

And usually I keep a Red-Dot Scope on the FAMAS. I get +3 accuracy that way.

>>28585044
That looks uncontrollable

I killed a bear with a Marlin .30-30. It was threatening my dog in West Virginia. I hit it in the neck then heart shot it cuz I didn't know if it was dead. Dropped in 1 though. Living the Fudd dream

Why would you hunt bears?

>>28585129
Tasty

>>28584956
On a serious note, .30-06 works well. The particular rifle it comes out of is a matter of personal preference.

>>28585129
>never had bear-stew

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>>28585176
Don't they have a fuck ton of worms?

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>>28585044
>2016
>not using thermobearic rounds

>>28584956
>Favorite
Henry big boy in .45-70. Get some 540 grain +P Hammerheads.

>Ideal sidearm
Ladies Home Companion in .45-70. Lighter loads though because "lol pistol".

AR-15 chambered in 450 bushmaster

>>28585243

>what is cooking?

>>28584956

A good mixed drink, and some good....woops, wrong type of bear. Just use a .308, had some good luck with that whole hunting.

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>>28585318

>>28584956

For black bear? I took an SKS, 20 gauge, and bow on a trip.

No kill :(

>>28585607
Would a twenty gauge do anything to a brown bear?

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>>28586478

>>28586279
Definitely, but shot placement would be important, as it is with anything on bears

>>28586478
>>28586490
I find it sad someone would want to kill a creature as unique as that one for something as stupid as sport

no I'm not a tree hugging hippy but trophy hunting is dumb

>>28584956
>trophy hunting
"yuaaaapp gitt me a gud ol' big buhrrrr fer ye fiyah playce"

>>28586649
>>28586719
You're idiots.

>>28586732
I mean, besides the fact that this is a role play thread for people that don't actually hunt, there is literally no way to justify hunting a fucking bear.

>>28586811
Controlling their impact on the environment. This includes the damage they will cause to other animals as well as damage the will cause through contact with humans.

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>>28586478
Is this real?

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>>28586925
If you are the literal fudd I am picturing living in the 100 acre woods and a bear walks up on your house and tries to break in to get food by all means shoot the thing.

However this thread is not about environmental homeostasis. Someone going out of there way to track and kill a large bear just for the pedestal is actually causing the "impact" you are talking about. Literally seeking and trophy hunting a bear is degenerate as hell.

>>28586811
I've killed and recovered 1 bear. Shot at 3 more but never found them.

I don't need to justify bear hunting to a gay man on a japanese fish market imageboard.

>>28586811
If the game department says there are too many bears tearing shit up and sells you the license cheap, and you bid fair to get a free rug and a couple hundred pounds of free meat, you shoot them.

Henry 44. repeater

so these mother fuckers will stop knocking over my goddamn beehives. i also use it for deer hunting, cause deer keep eating my motherfucking crop. sick of that shit.

>>28587102
>I don't need to justify bear hunting to you!!11!

Woah there Elmure. Put the 30-06 down and step back.

>>28586649
Yeah, can't say I agree with killing that animal, it's kind of cowardly in my opinion. I just posted it because the bear itself is a fucking monster.

>>28586967
Yup, shot by a doctor up in Alaska I believe.

>>28587124
you can also shoot beers if they are interfering with agriculture, i took out one last year trying to knock over my beehives. sold the pelt for a 600 bucks and got a glock 23 and ate like a king for a week.

>>28587136
>>28587145
Neither of you insular little fuckheads understand how wildlife conservation works, much less where your food comes from. Stop talking.

>>28587069
Alright, so we'll go with Kodiak bears specifically.

We have multiple settlements on Kodiak Island so there is a chance of them coming into contact with humans outside of hunting. Plus we have the local ecosystem that we want to take care of. So I guess we need to keep the bear numbers at a safe and sustainable level. Which "trophy" hunting helps to do. Then the money for "trophy" hunting goes straight towards conservation.

TL;DR
We need to keep animal levels at a sustainable level and hunting is essential to this.

>>28587197
>beers
bears i ment.

>>28587217
Well both of them can interfere with agriculture and knock over your beehives....

>>28587197
>>28587124

I was mostly berating people that, for example, travel to a different state with the intentions to simply to outbid a license, shoot a bear with a fucking AR, and then skin it and head for the taxidermist.

If any animal is interfering with your lively hood, by all means shoot it and use it.

If you are shooting a bear in response to your game deps requests and are going to harvest the animal entirely, go for it.

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>>28587204
>where my food comes from
ahahahah Elmure please. We are not all inbred hicks eating bear in the fucking woods.

>>28587263
Leaving the meat behind isn't bad. Hell it's arguably more ethical as it provides more food for other animals in the environment.

>>28587145
>I just posted it because the bear itself is a fucking monster.

It's just a camera trick. The guy is probably sitting a couple meters behind the bear, making it look much larger than it is.

Never believe any hunting or fishing picture unless the thing is sitting on a scale or has a tape measure laid on top of it.

>>28587263
i don't like trophy hunters either. wasteful, they are. eat what you kill, or donate it, don't just leave it for the rot and the scavengers.

>>28587320
That looks to be a Kodiak bear and they are the largest breed in the world IIRC. Polar bears might be about the same size or a bit bigger, but Kodiaks are massive. There most likely wasn't any movie magic to make it look bigger.

>>28587303
not really more ethical, that animal you just killed could have produced more animals to hunt and live or, the meat will only be eaten by varmit like coyote.

>>28584956
Black Bear? SKS, mossberg 500. Brown Bear? Mauser 8mm, Mossberg 500.

>>28587445
opening a can of beans? Mossberg 500

>>28586279

Maybe, but I was hunting black bears.

>>28587279
vegan faggot detected

>>28587460
Turning the channel? Mossberg 500

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>>28587279

"meat comes from the store!"

>>28587069
>implying people don't hunt bears and eat the meat.

Heh

>>28587432
Older animals (which are the ones most people try to kill) don't breed as much as younger ones. So killing them does help. As for the meat, like I said it's arguable. Personally I don't agree with it. I'd rather have some meat in my fridge so I can save money on food.

>>28587131
Nice. What about hurr durr Henry long colt

>>28587197
>ate like a king for a week
>week
Was this a panda bear?

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>>28587493
Excellent post desu

>>28587501
well, i'm just saying, there are more ethical options than just leaving it. one of which is donating it to Hunters Feed the Hungry, its a much better idea than just letting it go to waste or donating actual money.

>>28587518
> Henry long colt
why would i want to go with the inferior ammo?

>>28587554
it wasn't very big, maybe like 40 pounds of meat, off season too. by the size is couldn't have been more than 2 or 3 years old.

>>28584956
30-06 or larger, especially for brown bears.

>>28586811
Defense of property, same reason to hunt coyotes.

>>28587708
The state of Minnesota destroyed like 20 tons of donated venison because the OMG LEAD POISONING environazis got on their tits.

Be very very careful who you donate your meat too.

>>28586649
Please kill yourself.
This was taken by an Alaskan in Alaska. This bear was eaten. It was shot less than 80 miles from my house. Now die in a car fire

>>28587493
"I hunt bears for my livelihood"
-Anonymous fat fuck on /k/

>>28587735
Coyotes are satan's k-9, i'd much rather replace them with wolves, they have much better pelts.

>>28585129

Food, for one.

Mainly because when they're in season, it's because experts decided their numbers needed to be controlled in order to ensure the local ecosystem remains stable.

>>28587205
Kodiak Bears arnt a thing you dumb fuck. They are brown bears that happen to live on kodiak. Kill yourself

>>28587303
That is the highest non felony crime in Alaska. If you hunt you must take all usable meat or the court will nail you to the wall for wanton waste

>>28587777
You shouldn't wish death on others, anon. It's bad for the soul.

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>>28584956

For hunting black bear: Winchester Model 70 Super Grade in .338-06

For hunting brown/grizzly bears: Winchester Model 70 Safari Express in .375 H&H Mag OR .358 Norma Mag.

For bear defense: Mossberg 590A1 model #51668, 12ga., loaded with Brenneke Magnum Crush slugs (666grs of lead traveling at 1604fps)

For bear defense if I can only carry a pistol: Ruger Super Redhawk in .480 Ruger.

>>28587501
This

>>28587818
he got quads, all is forgiven.

>>28587818
Your not even my real dad!
>I do as I please faggot

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>>28587823
>338-06
Hi, I'm Elmer Keith and I approve this post.

>>28587791
This.

Culling of predators is the hallmark of a well managed ecological institution.

>>28587780

>getting this asspained about anything on a outdated mongolian pottery forum, let alone in a hunting thread...on /k/

take your faggotry elsewhere

>>28587823
>338-06
Wanna know how I know your nofuns?

>>28587777
Angelic quads. The heavens call for >>28586649 's death

>>28587867

Not him but .338-06 is an actual cartridge.

Pretty popular for big game actually.

Want to know how I know you're noguns?

>>28587893
>special snowflake wildcat
>popular for big game
YaBlewIt.jpeg

>>28587912

>implying any big game cartridge is "popular"

damagecontrol.exe

>>28587708
>ethical
Yeah. Honestly I agree with you. Fill my freezer with meat and then donate anything else.

>>28587801
>Kodiak Bears arn't a thing!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodiak_bear
Look at the taxonomy section. It's recognized as the only sub-species of brown bear. So they are a thing. Dumb fuck.

>>28587813
Huh, well the more you know I guess. I don't live in Alaska so I didn't know that.

>>28587968
Well played. I admit defeat. Brb. Commiting sodoku

>>28587968
Ahem
>.300 winmag
>.338 winmag
>7mm mag

Walk into any gunstore in america and you will see at least two of those, if not all three.

The .338-06 is a snowflake wildcat. The .300 winmag will persist until the 2100s

>>28587976
Only sub-species?
It's not even the only sub-species found in Alaska.
There's something like 5 sub-species in NA and another 10 in Europe/Asia.

>>28587976
>Huh, well the more you know I guess. I don't live in Alaska so I didn
The fish and game don't play around at all up here. If you fuck up they can take your animal and any and all equipment used to harvest said animal. Including truck/boat/snow machine/guns etc. never have I seen stricter game regs and penalties.

>>28588023
No. Just no. Eurasian bears and american bears are completely different species. I think you need to go re-learn taxonomy.

>Shooting essentially a large dog.

No.

>>28588039
Ursus arctos is the same species world wide.
http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=180543

>>28588066
>a large dog
Babbys fust twoll

>>28588014

more common =/= popular

in northern MI a lot of folks seem to like 338-06 but theyre all reloading it so i dont know maybe its a regional thing

>>28588113
>just because its more widespread doesn't mean that it's more prevalent.

You're a special kind of stupid. Your reloading friends are fudds

>>28588153

>reading comprehension

stay retarded, anon

>>28586967
Its real, but hes standing a bit behind the bear to make it seem alot larger than it actually is. It's common with alot of these types of pictures.

>>28585243
So does bacon, my good friend.

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>>28587818

>>28588153
>can't reload
>makes fun of people who do
>"being stupid is cool"

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>>28588153
"ammo comes from the store!"

>>28588035
Truth.

My dad was buddies with one of my high school friends' dad, who was a state trooper. Since the kid and I hung out a lot, our parents all knew each other.

My dad was out hunting, I don't recall the season, when state trooper came across my dad's truck when he was out patrolling hunting spots. He sat and waited for my dad to return, and when he did, he checked his license, his gun, and some other shit. Basically the full run down.

Even if they know you, and your kids are like best friends, they don't screw around.

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>>28587263
I actually agree with you, but honestly who the fuck are you to tell people "oh doing this with these motivations is okay but doing the same thing with slightly different motivations is totally wrong". People will do what they want, if there's a legitimate problem with bear poaching, then yeah lets prosecute them. If out-of-staters want to pay exorbitant prices for hunting licenses that's a good thing for the local conservation efforts too. Stop thinking so parochially and see the big picture.

>>28588035
>>28588889

That's pretty much everywhere.

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What would you do, /k/?

>>28586649
That bear would eat you and everyone you love.

>>28587460
>>28587484
Well smart asses, what else would you use for opening beans or digging channels?

>>28585129
Fur and bones. Meat quality varies by area. Fish fed bears are nasty. Game and berry fed bears are better.
>>28587303
It is bad. Don't waste.
>>28587335
>Doesn't know how any type of hunting actually works.
>Doesn't want a bear rug.
>Bitches love bear rugs
>>28584956
So as far as hunting goes. You want something you can reach out and touch it with. I would use a 300WM or 338WM. 45-70 and 12ga slugs are great but don't expect any real accuracy past 200yds. Those are better suited if your watching a bait station or just hiking. As a side arm I would use a buddy with a 45-70 and I'd have a .357 or larger caliber revolver.

>>28587342
you're fucking retarded if you don't think the pictures are hunter's tricks. Do you not see how he is clearly sitting several yards behind the bear in the other picture? or how the arm of the bear in the other picture is kept out of frame? besides from that obvious trick, you can clearly see with any depth perception whatsoever that the hand is much closer to the camera than the face.

>>28590544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_the_Bear

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>>28590544
Not him. They might be exaggerated in the photos but bears top out around 1500 lbs here. 1500 lbs is a massive fucking bear. And there have been bigger ones killed.

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>>28587069
>mfw this nigger will literally cry himself to sleep tonight because MUH BEARS.

>>28588153

The sad thing is, retarded mall ninjas like this retard make up the majority of /k/ posters.

He literally had no idea that .338-06 was a real round and then tries damage control by screaming fudd.

If more people on /k/ actually went out and used their firearms, rather than sit online and jerk off over made up self defense/tactical scenarios, /k/ would be a better place.

>>28585243
No more so than any other meat. What do you think people ate before supermarkets - wild game.

>>28591358

welcome to /k/, where half the users own one gun and think that makes them a gun guru.

>>28586649
Agreed.

>>28587303
wew you're fucking stupid

>>28585044

BLOOP

ITT

>almost everyone on here lives 100s of miles from the nearest brown bear
>what sidearm for hunting
>sidearm
>for hunting black bears
>for hunting in the mountains period
>all this shit understanding of bear behaviour

People are happy to buy $1000, 4lb unshootable revolvers in fear of an animal they'll never even see, but a few $20 books on bear behaviour and bear hunting requires too much effort, I guess.

>>28586649
this. people are sick

>>28593231
Hunting bear with a pistol seems similar to hunting bear with a bow.

Best sidearm is a buddy with a bigger gun.

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>>28593254
Cartoons =/= real life

45-70 levergun
.454 casul wheelgun as side

>>28587791
>>28587857

Black bears are mainly herbivores and hunt very very rarely.

So, what kind of ''impact'' they can have on ecosystem by eating walnuts and trash?

>>28586478
>>28586490
all dat forced perspective

>fag

>>28593231
Majority of Alaskans carry a .44 Magnum for bear defense.

I personally think it's too light, but studies have shown bear attacks are successfully thwarted by handguns more often than long guns. something like 96% success vs 90%.

>>28593348
wow

the disney is strong with this one

>>28593378
85% of the black bear's diet consists of vegetation

>The great bear almanac. Lyons & Burford. ISBN 978-1-55821-210-7.

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>>28593378

>Not even arguing against it other than meming...


For fucks sake you inbred, hunted mammals doesn't even make 10% of black bears diet. majority of it comes from nuts, grass and berries while their vast majority of theri ''carnivorous'' diet comes from insects and fish.

>>28586478
>>28586490

Rich white nigger is better at taking pictures than hunting trophy animals.

>>28593407

40% of all moose calves killed by black bears
>Osborne, T. O., Paragi, T. F., Bodkin, J. L., Loranger, A. J., Johnson, W. N. 1991. Extent, Cause, and Timing of Moose Calf Mortality in Western Interior Alaska. Alces 27:24-30.

6 - 30% of caribou calves and up to 5% of adults may be killed by black bears.
>Ballard, W. B. 1994. Effects of Black Bear Predation on Caribou. Alces 30:25-35.


Grizzly and black bears accounted for approximately 55–60% of all deaths (including both predation and non-predation) for tagged elk calves during their first 30 days of life.
>Barber, S. M., D. L. Mech, and P. J. White. 2005. Yellowstone elk calf mortality following wolf restoration: Bears remain top summer predators. Yellowstone Science 13:37–44.

>>28593407
>>28593409

Black bears appear to have greater reproductive
rates and survival when neonate ungulates are available as prey.
>C. C., SCHWARTZ, AND A. W FRANZMANN. 1991. Interrelationship of black bears to moose and forest succession in the northern coniferous forest. Wildlife Monographs 113.

Black bears were responsible for 541 livestock kills in Alberta from 1974-79, 90% of these were cattle.
>
Louise P. Horstman and John R. Gunson. (Spring, 1982) Black Bear Predation on Livestock in Alberta. Wildlife Society Bulletin (1973-2006) Vol. 10, No. 1, pp. 34-39.

49% of white-tailed fawn mortalities in this study were by black bears.
Kyran E. Kunkel, L. David Mech. (1994) Wolf and bear predation on white-tailed deer fawns in northeastern Minnesota. Canadian Journal of Zoology, 72(9): 1557-1565, 10.1139/z94-207

Serious predation by interior Alaskan black bears upon the nests of some waterfowl has been recorded
>Hatler, David F. (1967) Some aspects in the ecology of the black bear (Ursus Americanus) in interior Alaska. Thesis (M.S.) University of Alaska Fairbanks.

>>28593407
>>28593409

Black bears kill 8% of spawning female salmon.
>Frame,
GW 1974. Black bear predation on salmon at Olsen Creek, Alaska. Zeitschrift für
Tierpsychologie 35:23–38.

Black bears fuck up beehives in Massachusettes.
>Sandra A. Jonker, James A. Parkhurst, Rebecca Field and Todd K. Fuller. (1998) Black Bear Depredation on Agricultural Commodities in Massachusetts. Wildlife Society Bulletin (1973-2006) Vol. 26, No. 2, pp. 318-324

Predation by black bears accounted for 66% of the total mortality of elk calves by predators in Idaho.
>SCHLEGEL, M.W. 1986. Movements and population dynamics of the Lochsa elk herd. Factors affecting calf survival in the Lochsa elk herd. Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration, Job Completion Report, Project W-160-R, Subproject 38. Idaho Department of Fish and Game, Boise, Idaho, USA.

>>28593407
>>28593409

WHAT? WHY SO SILENT?

IS MY WILDLIFE BIO-ASPERGERS COCK CHOKING YOU?

>>28593979
because you don't know how to math.
An individual black bear's diet is 85% vegetation.
Since there are a lot of black bears, even 15% of their diet can add up to a whole lot of other shit

>>28590026
Good thing we're humans, and we can hold ourselves to higher ethical standards than fucking bears

>>28595028
WHICH IS WHY CULLING THEM IS SO IMPORTANT

yay

>>28593368
I would hazard to guess that has a lot to do with the circumstances of the encounter.