Thoughts on beanbag rounds? I'd like to have some for home

If you need to use a less than lethal means to defend yourself, do you really need to defend yourself?

>>28583422
Why the hell would you use beanbag rounds for home defense are you stupid?

>>28583422

You are not legally allowed to use beanbag rounds or rubber bullets.

>>28583422
>I'd like to have some for home defense

If you're considering beanbag rounds for defense, I suggest looking at acquiring some medium-to-large anal speculums to help you with being a gigantic faggot.

>>28583422
Use dimes

>>28583491
I don't know if that's true or not, but the legality will be the least of his worries if he tries to shoot some crack fiend with bean bag rounds inside his house.

That's considered shooting to maim op... your robber might try to sue you after you magdump 6 or 7 bean bags into him with the adrenaline

but then again, you do live in texas and i don't think most texas judges would give a shit

>>28583528

true

>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If he's not a immediate threat to your life, why are you shooting him with a gun (assault with a deadly weapon under current law, even with less-lethal munitions loaded) instead of using pepper spray/blinding white light/verbal commands/placing him under citizen's arrest by pointing a fucking gun at him and waiting for the cops/all of the above?

If he IS an immediate threat to your life, why the fuck are you shooting him with beanbags that don't work quickly and consistently on deadly threats?

Drugs make people resist the pain of impact rounds.

Emotional disturbance makes people resist the pain of impact rounds.

Motorcycle clothing or sports padding can make people resist the pain of impact rounds.

The point of defending yourself with a firearm is to end an armored/drugged/emotionally disturbed threat the fastest way practicable by causing a rapid drop in blood pressure and/or catastrophic nervous system damage.

>>28583422
If by "bean bag" you mean "3" HP Slug", then it's excellent for HD.

OP here,

Because I don't want to clean blood and fecal matter out of my house, I'd rather just grant them the TBI or heart issue they deserve and wait for the cops to show up.

>>28583554

A robber won't be able to sue if they're inside of my fucking home going through my shit, and are hit in the solar plexus with a non-lethal round.

>>28583827

Just, out of personal curiosity have you been trained with beanbag munitions or do you have a medical background that can back-up these statements?

>>28583422

Because if the threat is so dire that you need to draw a gun, then the threat is so dire that you must kill.

Less lethal rounds make little to no sense, unless you're a riot control officer. If that's the case then go hog wild.

>>28583510

Maybe you could recommend some? I'm sure you and your boyfriend have a very vast combined knowledge of anal probing.

I don't really think it'll help me though, but hey, post what you're passionate about.

>>28585315

You have no idea what you're talking about and you should start asking more questions rather than jamming your own foot in your mouth with ridiculous statements like that.

>>28583491

Even if you were, this is a great way to get sued by an intruder.

>ending up on the wrong side of a court room across from the nigger that tried to steal your tv

You're in Texas. Just kill them in a self defense situation.

>>28585388

see

>>28585315

and lol

>>28585334
That what people on drugs don't react to pain very well?
That thick clothing reduces the effectiveness of bean bag rounds?

You don't need medical training to not be an idiot. Let me guess, when people get shot they immediately fall to the ground too?

>>28585268
If you don't want to clean blood and fecal matter up, then don't shoot a gun. Blind them with a giant can of riot spray/bear spray, or shine a flashlight into their eyes and tell them to hold still and lie on the ground and that if they try anything funny you'll blow them out of their shoes with your shotgun.

Shooting them with a gun using less-lethal ammunition when they're trying to kill/cripple you is an extreme gamble that professionals using less-lethal never take.

Shooting them non-fatally with any gun when they're not a threat where you can justify assaulting them under self-defense laws is illegal, unless you're lawfully suppressing a riot.

There is no place for less lethal outside of a full-blown riot.

>>28585334
Corrections training. Less-lethal 12 gauge beanbag and 37mm baton round is only used as "warning shots" to lock down areas (area denial/roadblocking), maintain crowd control distance from formations of riot police, and to encourage a prisoner or subject from a distance to drop a contact weapon such as a knife or razorblade, if TASER isn't available.

Another use is during riot suppression, anyone attempting to pick up a tear gas canister to throw back at us gets harassed with 12 gauge stinger or beanbags until they fuck off away from the canister.

>>28585375

Just google it, nigger.

>>28585552

Fair enough, thank you for posting that.

>>28585554

I don't have to, you're the one making the claim. If you wanna ignore everybody on here calling you a dumbass then that's your prerogative but if you're actually looking to convince anybody then you're going to have to come up with some evidence to back it up.

>>28583422
Actually these are illegal in Texas because they aren't deadly enough. Texas ammunition has a "minimum deadliness factor" to prevent shitty ammunition from being sold. This is also why .22, 5.56 and 9mm are illegal here.

>>28585533

You don't sound very familiar with drugs. The only drugs that make you truly numb to pain are opioids and dissacociatives. Someone on heroin/morphine isn't going to bring scurrying through my house and if someone's on PCP in my home I'd just shoot them. It should be noted it is VERY fucking easy to identify when someone is on pcp, and typically they don't break into houses.

>>28585552
>when they're trying to kill/cripple you
I'm pro-bullets myself, but it's still incorrect to imply that most burglars are at all interested in killing/assaulting the people who live in the home they're burglarizing.

>>28585616
>You don't sound very familiar with drugs.
kek
>The only drugs that make you truly numb to pain are opioids and dissacociatives
And alcohol, and cocaine, and meth, oh and even pot to an extent. You sir, don't know shit about drugs. I'd trust me on this one.

Thinking pain, even if felt, will stop someone is retard tier. People don't even stop after being shot, a bean bag round ain't going to do shit to someone intent on hurting you.

>>28585584

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/206089.pdf

>>28585584

>>28583422
you always want to be the only one in court telling what went down.

>>28585584

The PDF I posted cites research that found that crippling and debilitating hits can be placed with beanbag rounds, in areas like the solar plexus or the chest of someone wearing say, a t-shirt, that this can disrupt a heartbeat, and possibly send them into shock.

>>28585642

>cocaine, pot, meth

Fucking lel, someone's watched a few movies. Honestly, would someone who's so high on cannabis that they could straight up shrug-off a non-lethal round enter a home?

Meth and cocaine is a HILARIOUS assumption too. Amphetamines and benzo's will just make you MORE AWARE of being shot.

>>28585702
Considering the fact i've actually done these drugs and you haven't i'd probably stop talking. Amphetamines and crack especially are powerful pain killers. The point isn't that someone high on drugs or drunk wouldn't feel pain at all, its that a bean bag round and pain won't stop a sober person you dumb fuck. Pain is a compliance tool, it will not stop someone intent on harming you. Not even a bullet will.

>>28585668
>>28585643

That's real neat and all but it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not someone can sue you for maiming them when they break into your house.

Here is my personal outlook on it. about 3/4th of break ins occur when somebody is not home, almost the entire 1/4 left is breaking in and taking shit without you noticing, IE breaking into the garage while you're having a party in the backyard or living room with the TV up or whacking off watching anime porn on an oculus rift.

I would have to say that most burglars are smart enough to know not to go into a house while somebody is in there and will take steps to ensure that nobody is there before attempting, ie ringing the door bell.

If somebody has that much of a disregard for their own safety that they are willing to illegally enter somebody's property, regardless if they know if they are home or not, that person is dangerous.

More than likely they are on drugs or have some other kind of mental issue. It could also be because they know whoever lives there is old and can't defend themselves.

The chances overall of somebody illegally entering your property while you're home are extremely low and if they're putting themselves in jeopardy without taking precautions to ensure they don't get caught, that is a very dangerous individual and won't give a shit about getting hit with bean bags.

tl;dr
Chances of a home invasion are so low it probably won't ever happen, but if it does that person doesn't give a shit about their own life, what makes you think they will care about yours?

>>28585702
>doesn't know what benzos are
>thinks he knows shit about drugs
please use beanbags exclusively for home defense.

>>28585807
What I'm trying to say though is that if you're even going to take precautions to protect yourself from something that has a very low likely hood of occurring, and if it does the perpetrator is very likely a crazed individual, why not use something that you know for a fact will put him down? Do you really think you're going to hit somebody's solar plexus while you're shaking from adrenaline?

>>28585890

>shaking from adrenaline
Ha, good one. I'll bet this guy's a stone cold motherfucker with a cool head in a pitched firefight

>>28585861

I hope some big angry nigger's family takes everything you own in a lawsuit.

The "I know more than you, kid" shtick will get you so far. You sound like some kind of army fuckup.

>>28585890
I used that as an example, you're supposed to aim for extremities, but honestly, I feel like a well placed shot can cause a fracture or internal bleeding.

>>28583554
It'll be a grand jury, so..

>>28586002
Don't be stupid dude. Somebody that comes into your house while you're in there is fucked in the head.

Unless you're some millionaire and being targeted specifically for ransom or some shit (in which case you're fucked because they are probably well armed and have really worked everything out) then you are going to be dealing with a deranged fucked up person that is either on drugs or just completely fucked.

Either way you won't be able to stop them with a fucking bean bag, once you dump your 8 rounds on them they are going to get up grab that shotgun and beat your face into a fine pulp and then kill and rape your wife in that order if she's fortunate.

You'd rather incapacitate somebody so they'd get fucked by the long arm of the law, so you want rounds to do that. That wouldn't be bad in premise except for two things.

1. Beanbags have no guarantee of stopping somebody on drugs. They aren't going to act like you are and get hit and stop what they are doing.

2. People that do shit like that are lifelong repeat offenders and will get out in a couple years and go do it all over again and maybe get somebody else killed.

So you're willing to risk your life and your families life because you want to try to incapacitate and get a criminal arrested because you don't want to kill somebody even if they're trying to kill you.

Just don't defend yourself. If you're going to keep a gun loaded next to your bed to protect your family and yourself and you're not willing to put somebody down that's threatening either of those then you really need to reconsider what's important to you.

In fact I hear you don't even need a gun since the police prevent all crimes since obama got elected.

>>28585986
no, i meant you exclusively should use bean bag rounds. just you.

>>28585354
umad

also still retarded

>>28585631
Most residential burglars fall into scenario 2, the ones you SHOULDN'T (legally-speaking) shoot, in states with stricter self-defense laws.

Then again, most burglars with the sense to run away instead of assaulting the homeowner tend to break in during daytime working hours where the chance of getting shot, beanbag or otherwise, is fairly low.

If you're getting your door kicked in at night, they're either trying to kill or maim you, or on enough drugs to not care about any resident inside, in which case assaultive behavior is likely. Those need bullets for fixing.

>>28586683

You're not raising any other points. Keep telling tall tales.

>>28586263

You don't get it, I meant after you shoot that big angry nigger. I hope whatever family members still send you Christmas money get raped.

>>28586189

I didn't consider the repeat offender bit, thank you for your constructive criticisms.

>>28583422
If someone gets hurt on your property, they can sue you.
If someone dies on your property, they cannot sue you.

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>>28585354
Your a fucking retard. Do you really need anyone to recommend something other then a shitty bean bag?

Since your having trouble thinking for yourself, try buckshot you fucking faggot.

I do not know about home defense with a bean bag or rubber shot but they both work well on black bear you want gone from your property

>>28583422
>2 crackniggers brake in to your house
>engage bean bag
>one is hit in the gutt, goes down
>other one is hit in the chest, goes down
>call cops
>cops arrive
>dindu that got hit in the chest died from cardiac arrest
>dindu nr 2 witness in court that they dindu nuffing and that you told them to kneel and they did and then you basically executed dindu nr 1.
>Get sentenced to prison
>Get raped by obamas sons
>Get AIDS
>Die

You have a higher chance winning in court against two corpses then one corpse and one person.

>>28589781

You're*

And no, I was reffering to the anal speculum a you were passionately discussing.

I am aware of buckshot.

A lot of people underestimating these rounds in this thread. In the distances inside your home and aiming for centre mass there's a very high chance that 'less lethal' round is still going to kill or permanently damage the person. They're not going to shrug it off and probably won't have any choice whether they go down or not

I use them at work and can tell you they're not to be fucked with. Not advocating their use in this situation, but fuck some of you people seem to think it's like being shot by a BB gun. It's not. Its a heavy bag of lead shot moving at 90 meters per second and it will definitely ruin your day.

We use them to put someone down who is about to attack us I.e arm back to throw a molotov, or to put down a leader prior to snatching him, or simply the intimidation factor of aiming the guns to create space in which we then move to fill and shield. And they work

>>28590822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zutfi0oQYmg

dude here takes them pretty damn well

ITT OP is incompetent and lacks applicable knowledge. OP is told its a bad idea. OP begins arguing and insulting people for informing him of his mental handicap.

Move along, either intentional troll thread or someone too stupid to save.

Also, OP, I've taken a bag from a 12ga to the ribs. Light fracture on two ribs, but I ran/evaded just fine under my own power. Before people superb, a dickhead deputy just started lobbing bean rounds into a crowd after a football game/celebration and I was lucky enough to catch one from the side.

>>28590909
Didn't take the last one very well.

>>28590920
Thing about these rounds is they lose their power and accuracy very quickly with range. At 5m or less they are extremely dangerous, at 25 they are dropping considerably (aiming at the chest to hit the thighs and slowed considerably)

>>28590985
last one was either in the head or the hand

if he had a gun, he could shoot back

and notice they only used them while there was a cop ready to use lethal force next to him

>>28591002
If he had a gun of course they wouldnt have bothered with the beanbag.

In riot control the idea is to disperse the crowd not to take any individual. Unless you deem it's going to help because he is a main instigator of the violence. To be honest when we showed up they usually dispersed right away. Turns out people who will attack their local police all morning don't have the balls to attack foreign infantrymen. Had better riots from the boys in training sometimes, running logs at us as battering rams and throwing molotovs and shit.

Tldr these are a riot control tool and not the best self defence weapon. But personally I don't mind the idea of having a beanbag in the chamber followed by buckshot in the magazine

>>28583422
Beanbag rounds are two of things:
>a fucking useless civilian tool
>an amazing tool for law enforcement, that law enforcement has stopped using for some reason

Beanbag rounds are fantastic for any situation where a taswr needs to be employed (examples of cops tasering someone they already have in custody but need to calm down do not apply because that's a misuse of a taser)

Example - kid has a knife and is threatening you as an officer. You have backup, one additional officer. Beanbag shotgun can be employed as a strike first tool to deescalate the situation. Hit him first and multiple times to drop him, then control the situation. Maybe some broken ribs but nothing too severe.

Tasers are a one shot system that have questionable effective rates and regularly miss. When they do hit they also have a nasty habit of fucking killing people on rare occasions even when employed correctly.

They are great tools and I don't understand why no one uses them anymore. Lots of EDP that could be easily deescalated through use of slamming bean bags into them.

>>28591178
>Minimum safe distance
>two hands required to operate
>long gun instead of easily maneuverable handgun
>no laser sight
>can't expect multi-second incapacitation the same way a solid TASER hit does
>have to remove from car instead of duty belt

TASER is by far the easier option

>>28591246
>TASER is by far the easier option
yeah if OP wants to live his fantasy of capturing a criminal and having the police show up and high 5 him saying "we got him guys" then he should just do this