68W here. I've recently been assigned as a line medic for the first time in my career, and am looking for any medics or corpsmen here with any experience and wisdom to share. I was in a clinic and aid station before this.
Things like advice, packing tips, how did you set up your bags and what kind of bags you used, and other stuff.
Basically combat medic general.
Theres a video floating about of an ANA bloke getting slightly wrecked from an ied. The medic panicked during the blast and focused all of his attention on treating what they deemed as the priority casualty at the scene.
Unfortunately, they failed to take into account the well-being of the surrounding soldiers. 48 hours later a sergeant who was also caught up in blast died from a cerebral hemorrhage in his sleep.
Always be aware of the status of your comrades.
I remember that video. First time I saw it before I was a medic I thought it was cool as shit seeing the medic in action and blah blah blah. Now they show it as a perfect example of what not to do.
Dude got tunnel vision, took ages to get the TQ on and stood there for years contemplating whether to cric his throat when he didn't need it, he just needed to re-position himself to allow the blood to drain. Instead he kept forcing him back down in a bad position.
Good thing the platoon sergeant knew what the fuck he was doing
I'm infantry but with 68W equivalent training. I might be able to answer some questions.
First of foremost, bring a ton of Ibuprofen. We suck those things down but we don't drink enough water, so keep an eye on that.
Color code your shit for each area. Like bleeding, airway, etc.
Make IV prep kits: Iodine, needle/catheter, gauze, with the elastic band wrapped around it.
Make sure your dudes IFAKs are 100%. I know its hard to get new and sealed stuff in the Big Army side, but be headstrong and get that shit squared away.
Freshen up the guys on CLS, skedco drills, etc.
I'll try to answer as much as I can.
>I'm infantry but with 68W equivalent training
So your medic gave you a CLS class so now you think you're a medic?
Or you were a medic and now you're infantry? Or you were an EMT before you joined? I'm confused
Color code your pack* In our aidbags we tape the different sections with colored tape to represent whats inside the pouches for fast reference for yourself and for non-medics if you're getting help.
Speaking of help, don't be afraid to pull dudes aside for help. Obviously don't pull a 240 gunner whos dropping rounds downrange off the ground, instead pull the AB or a random rifleman not doing anything.
Question for medics who have been deployed:
How often did you have to fire your weapon?
Do you act offensively in an engagement?
If there's room clearing going on, do you ever draw the short straw and go first?
In general, what is expected of a medic? are you just another rifleman who happens to carry medical equipment? or are there other duties you perform?
if its just one medic and multiple wounded, he can't fix everyone at once, its common triage procedure to fix the most busted person first. not to mention theres only so much a dude can do with first aid equipment, brain hemorrhages are not something you can fix in the field.
That's what I assumed.
I have seen medics basically take that one guy in their platoon that actually gives a shit under their wing and teach them all they can, basically making them the backup medic. There's always that one guy that wants to learn more and I'm always happy to teach them
Never deployed yet, but in all the training we've ever done, my platoon sergeant kept me with him almost all the time, unless he wanted me with a particular squad.
And the always kept me in the back, always the last one in rooms, and stuff.
They keep us safe and generally leave the dirty stuff to the guys who's job it is.
When I was an infantry medic, I did everything they did, just because I enjoyed it. I learned the battle drills, and all that stuff. I was the only one who carried medical stuff, I had my aid bag. Of course everyone has an IFAK, so that doesn't count.
>its common triage procedure to fix the most busted person first
Not at all. There are specific guidelines we use to triage someone.
The most busted person could be the most unlikely to survive and would actually be left to be treated last, they're what is called "expectant". The one treated first is the one with the immediate life threats, which actually, are usually not that hard to treat, like respiratory failure because they need an NCD needle to the chest. An immediate life threat treated fairly quickly.
This basically. When you're in a combat zone everyone will basically help out any way they can, typically taking direction from the medic(s).
Off duty and all that, there's so much liability and stuff that I wouldn't risk getting sued, as fucking retarded as that is.
I've got a copy of my EMT card in my wallet so if I ever did need to do something off duty, I would have it to be safe
Stay current with your field medicine training.
Be in the best shape of your life, no exceptions.
Have your 9 lines dialed in!!!
On patrol or convoy know where the best LZ is at all times.
Educate your troops. Kick classes on self and buddy aid.
I'm not a combat medic, I'm a paramedic and a prior active duty marine. Working my way to med school off of the HPSP. Other tips I would recommend are
Iv prep kits,
9 lines are a must
Know the fuck out of your equipment, where it is, you may need to grab a needle t in the dark, keep one in a molle weave.
Idk too many other style points, drop your knee on yoir buddy to stop the bleeding and return fire. Ect.
Can confirm that carrying an aid bag is the most uncomfortable shit on earth.
The hardest part of being a medic is finding a bag that doesn't dig into your armpits making your arms go numb.
First and foremost know your shit medically. Be confident with everything, including sick call related shit. Use your spare time to pick up shifts with your battalion PA at the clinic helping him out will build a strong working relationship that you'll be able to use to get shit later on, (like letters of reference for IPAP)
Learn as much as you can about your platoon's jobs. Make yourself available to your PSG, don't be the Medic who's never around. Spend time with your platoon outside of work. Get fit, you sho I ld be able to outperform, or at least out work EVERYONE in your platoon. I'm not a fast runner but I was always the strongest with a ruck. Find a gym rat in your platoon and hit the gym with them.
Take care of your boys, but don't baby them. Not everyone needs an IV in the field when they are a little flushed and woozy. Don't hand out bags in the barracks after a long night of drinking. You'll get more respect for being a professional and saying no than you will if you are perceived as a push over.
Spent 2 years as a platoon medic and 4 as a company senior. Working at a hospital now waiting to hear about an IPAP slot. Any questions feel free to hit me up.
What kind of bags do you use? We got issued the M9 which is okay, but once it's stocked there's basically no room to put things like fluid bags. Also how many fluid bags would you bring on average?
Depends on the job, when I was light I carried my London bridge, about 3/4 the size of a stomp 2, strapped to my ruck.
When I was in a mechanized unit I would have my London Bridge in the track and had my m9 with me and just restocked from my mounted bag.
I'll add that I much prefer light, people that like mech are over weight bitches or midgets. I fuck I NG hate the M9 bags.
The amount of fluids you bring is really mission and environmentally dependent. I always brought more fluids in training because it is much harder to come by in the field. Everyone always bogart what they have.
I was never denied resupply by a bird when we called for a medevac over seas. I generally had 2L LR, 1L NS, and 2 .5L of hextend (before they added the additional controls on it because no one knows how to use it correctly...).
I wasn't one to fill my bag with fluids out of fear of running out, know your shit and you won't waste supplies.
Flight medic is, or was a year ago, a simple 4187. Worst case reenlist for that shit.
I feel your pain, fuck 113s, and fuck Bradleys.
So you had 5 bags of fluids that you brought with you? Or did you leave them in a truck or something?
I'm just trying to get a good dismount bag going, since I'll be attached to a scout platoon and I'm not looking to be weighed down.
That is what I had in my truck bag, I never carried more than 1 of each when I was with 10th Mtn.
If you're with the scouts (dismounted?) you will always be weighed down. Carrying extra batteries, extra water, extra food. I covered down for our scout medic for a JRTC rotation and I never had less than 135 lbs of ruck and aid bag.
In a deployment situation you won't always have the opportunity for resupply, so your dismount bag is going to be packed full of shit.
Get good at deadlift bro.
If you are with a mech unit I don't really know how the scouts operate, I was only mech for a year. Do your scouts iterate out of brads or are they dismounted scouts?
Ours have brads too but they've also got a sniper section too. I really don't know much about them because up until now I never had anything to do with scouts.
I'm just going to try and get my shit all into an M9 bag and hope for the best. Our unit won't order new bags, so unless I can find a good one that's worth the price the M9 is what I've got.
Actual footage of 68Ws in action
Obviously it's up to you bud, but I wouldn't do dismount work for any extended period of time away from a truck/track.
Stomp 2 bags are pretty prevelent. You can find them for 100-175 I. Decent condition. They are bulky, but they are way easier to work with than an over stuffed m9, and you don't need to fill it all the way up.
Worst case ask around the medical platoon. People always have extra aid bags. I've got 5 or 6.
Medic is pretty cool because it's a best of both worlds kinda deal. Depending on how long you stay in and how far you're willing to go you can do all your moto line medic stuff with the infantry, and then sham out at a hospital or clinic.
Depending on if you're really feeling it and motivated, you can go as far as to get a masters degree and become a physicians assistant all through the military.
My old battalion PA was in the Ranger battalion before becoming a PA, all through the army.
Opportunity is there, quit making excuses and do it if you want!
I spent 6 years on the line, currently at a hospital waiting on word for a slot at PA school. Find out in march.
Hit me up if you have any questions.
>tfw cmb no longer has a feeling of prestige anymore, like you actually earned the medal
Knew a guy was in the far back of a convoy, and the front vehicle got hit by a pop shot and they gave everyone in the convoy a CAB
They've given officers Bronze Stars as PCS awards, so nothing really matters anymore
Help the junior out man he's probs nervous bein wet behind the ears n shit.
OP he's right though you'll likely have an SOP for your aid bag and all that bullshit. Ask your senior medic or even dudes in your aid station who've been on the line questions. Sure probably none of them have been in the co you're going to but some SOPs are the same.
Know where your shit's at. You should be able to reach into your bag completely blind and pull out whatever you need with zero hesitation.
That picture is ridiculous.
They didn't have utility poles like that in 1896.
My first unit's bde. Surgeon was at our BAS helping out with something or other when a mortar landed 75 m away, blasted the gator with shrapnel outside the aid station.
Every aid station Medic got their CMB because bde surgeon wanted one.
There were a total of 13 CMB awarded for that incident, those of us on the line earned a total of 4 CMB and 3 CAB in 13 months.
You can't even make this shit up...
... I still hold massive respect for CMB, so I'm going to try to forget I read this. I thought it was much different from a CAB in that you had to perform medical action while under fire/in combat?
You get a CAB if you were in contact with the enemy from my understanding, regardless of MOS, except infantry. That's what mine was for at least.
I was lucky enough to not have to treat anything more than booboos and the runs as a baby medic. Gave me a chance to learn my craft and not get someone killed from my stupidity.
I got mine in the worst possible way on my second deployment. Of course by that I mean the "right way".
That BDE Surgeon was a ladder climbing pole smoker. Went through USHSS or whatever the med school for armed forces is, was a medical equipment tech in the late 90s.
Giant fucking douchebag who had like 3 appointment slots a week when in garrison, and never came out to the FOB after we pushed out from our initial positions. Didn't visit a single COP from any maneuver bn. for the entire BDE. In 13 fucking months.
Last I heard he works at a hospital in butt fuck Idaho or Iowa.
>be a regular EMT
>work for a Casino because I'm tired of an Ambulance
>a veteran guy begins working there in security about 2 months after I do
>we become friends
>we work some serious shit together (our casino is right next to a highway and there's always some asshole plowing into someone else)
>he eventually starts calling me "Doc"
>don't pay much attention
>eventually find out it's a term of respect
>mfw no face but it's a humble looking one I assure you
Also, a story of what this veteran's brother did (who is also a vet and a medic) we'll call him Jay
>jay and his patrol/convoy thing were returning to base in Iraq (some place called hotel california or something I think)
>there had been a squad/platoon maybe that had gotten shot to shit and trapped in a village
>command wouldn't allow jay's patrol to assist
>jay told his commander he had to take a leak
>they pulled over
>jay jumped out with his shit and a ton of ammo
>his commander knew what the fuck he was gonna do
>his patrol resumes their shit
>jay takes off across the hard pan
>runs/jogs 2 kilometers to the guys
>manages to stabilize a couple of them
>apparently a couple of them did die
>got told this 2nd hand by his brother
I don't know about the validity of this story but his brother seemed to be convinced of it's authenticity.
by "line medic" do you mean just to some ash and trash unit, or to a combat arms unit? because if you have spent the lat 3-4 years in a large fixed hospital never going to the field and they dropped you into a Inf unit, you are fucked. I knew this was going to happen when they merged the two different MOSs into 68W. Look, if everyone knows you have been a no TA-50 having POG, just be honest and have the guys , not the girls, in your squad/platoon wisen you up. What to pack, how to pack it, etc. I've seen Sgt medics come from a hospital setting for the last 5-6 years and get dropped into a Inf unit and they may as well have been a spit tail the way they crumbled.
Nah man, it's true.
But a whole bunch of people who actually earned BS in combat complained and I haven't heard of it happening lately. But that shit definitely happened until recently.
Cheers! I take my job as a medic very seriously, even if I don't take the Army very seriously.
Nah, we're a combined arms battalion, infantry and tank companies. But until now I was always either in the TMC or the BAS.
got you beat. OIF II, the medics working at the MAS back at the support BN were told they had to "earn" their CMBs. Yet every single FOBBIT in the support BN got their CAB rubber stamped and handed to them. Was funny, the support BN didn't make this none until like the last month, so they shipped a bunch of these medics that had never left the FOB to our FOB and our Inf task force. We had to trow one of these sandbags into the back of one of our vehicles every time we went outside the wire in the hope we would get shot at so they could rate a CMB.
>wide eyed 19 y/o FOBBIT medic arrives in our company AO
>my platoon medic walks up to him and starts checking his gear
>"I see you only have 7 mags for your rifle, your going to need more. And do you have extra batteries for your NVGs?"
>FOBBIT medic "Uh...Uh.. they said this was only going to be a 1 hour day mission."
>my medic "HA! Right. Come on,follow me, I have some extra mags and batteries you can borrow."
Co and 1SG were standing right there and just poker faced it. Kid looked ready to shit himself.
Don't think any of them got a CAB because it was AOR hand over and with twice as many soldier around Alibaba laid low.
Medic here. Never had the chance to deploy yet, but I've spent two years as an infantry platoon medic, and when I see the soft pieces of shit at the aid station with no mags, or any of that it just makes me facepalm.
Ranger Batt sounds awesome desu. I'm one to strive to learn as much as possible and I think with all the cool guy schools Rangers do, that would be the perfect place to do it.
PA is honestly my end goal. As forementioned, I love learning new things so if I can soak up all the Army has to offer, that would be amazing.
Maybe I should do 68w/Opt 40?
Saw it every time the new baby's left the BAS for the first time to come to my company.
It's the ones who've been sitting at the BAS for years who are beyond help.
Wouldn't say you had me beat though.
Some background on that BDE Surgeon.
I'm doing a health sciences degree, this year is my final one and my majors are anatomy and physiology
Is this likely to help me in trying to become a medic? It's more of a backup plan in case I fail, but I chose anat and phys this year as majors for that reason.
I'm also thinking about joining the red cross and getting a first aid certificate.
Fucking do it man. That's what I wanted to do, but because of some minor medical bullshit(negligible pectus excavatum) they wouldn't let me get add-ons on my contract. So I went in as a regular 68W.
I've known a prior ranger guy and SF guy, and they're all cool as fuck and super knowledgeable since they train to paramedic level while we just go to EMT.
You'll need to spend a lot of time working with a provider to get the prerequisites for your clinic hours. Spend some time as a medic first though. Being the Medic in a rifle platoon is hands down the best job in the world. Nothing better.
I wish I would have stuck it out and kept my opt. 40, I wanted to go on leave and fuck my gf at the time though. Stupid ass kid I was.
Thanks brother, this thread motivated the fuck outta me.
I'm gonna talk to a recruiter soon. Cheers man.
Some advice when you talk to one, tell them you want medic with option 40 or nothing.
They'll try and whine and say how it's not available but that shit always is, they just want to play games.
They tried telling me I had to be infantry because nothing else was open and I told them to fuck off, and he was like "m-maybe they have m-medic, let me see" and of course they did.
You just gotta deal with their games
GOD DAMMIT DONKEY ENOUGH WITH THE FUCKING NDs.
You...I never noticed that. This makes it better. Cheers.
>tfw british humour, slang, and music are just fucking better
Yes, it will definitely help as you'll already know all of what is going to be taught and will be able to slack off on the studying and tests
If shit doesn't work out how you want, you'll do fine as a medic and being a medic in the Army(or corpsman in the Navy) is pretty fucking cool anyway.
As a medic you'll get a EMT certification that is a civilian cert too, and you'll get all that first aid, CPR certification too.
Don't worry man, medic is one of the few jobs where the certs transfer over to civilian side
You don't need any of that to be succesful, if anything it will lead you to believe you know better than people who've been doing it for a while.
But, it won't hurt if you aren't one of those people in classes that is constantly trying to prove how smart they are.
If you want to do it then do it, no one wants to listen to someone complain about how they only joined as a backup plan and they hate it. Quick way to make a great experience terrible for you and annoying for your peers and leadership.
because Ft Sham has to keep it's graduation rate up. I had a friend that did like 2-3 years of nurse training before she joined the Army. She was on med hold at Ft Sham and was stuck giving and grading tests. She told me all these idiots in the dif medical MOSs were dumb as rocks and that she wouldn't trust a one.
In my experience it's because most medic platoons in the Army do what they do out of necessity. They decide who goes where because they probably don't have enough people and other reasons.
The really good medics they keep in the aid station, when it should be the other way around. Good medics belong on the line. But they also have to put the fittest ones on the line, so if you're a good medic but not fit you're going to be in the aid station anyway.
So, for that reason the line already gets less than the best.
And once a medic goes to the line they spend more time away from the aid station and less time doing sick call and training and getting experience so they almost come to a standstill by being a line medic.
Basically anything a line medic learns while on the line is because they taught themselves because the aid station basically disowns them, in my experience.
And to be honest, a medic really doesn't learn anything in garrison, all the real experience as a medic can only come from real hands on stuff on a deployment, so unless they've deployed you'll never know
it also depends on the leadership of the medic platoon. My second tour in Iraq, our BN PA was prior enlisted SF medic. He rode his men hard. They knew their shit and if they didn't they got buried.
It's different in this peace time garrison army, where the PA is in the TMC most of the time and rarely if ever sees their medics.
I've had a prior ranger and a prior SF PA, and both were awesome, but they were stuck listening to fat tankers whine at the TMC and didn't get to see us much
Great points, they never should have combined the MOS'.
A line medic really has to put in the extra effort to improve medically. Spending personal time working with the PA at the clinic, staying in shape, and staying on top of sick call/trauma skills.
You say they do these things out of necessity but in my experience that kind of thing happens when you have lazy med plt leadership. Not working with aid station medics to improve their shit and get ready to move to the line. If they don't improve then they are dumped to the BSB or BSTB.
I sent baby medics back that weren't ready for the line when I was a company senior. PT test on day one. Since we were on the ToE for the company it was easy enough to have the 1SG make 75/75/75 the minimum requirement for being in our company, as a medic. After 3 months that was a bn. SOP. After 8 months of being short handed in every company we had medics in all platoon's that could make that or better physically with a weekly rotation for clinic time with the PA.
It takes a lot of dedication from everyone to get good medics, but my third deployment showed that with perseverance it's totally doable with any group that can stick it out.
In my opinion a medic in an infantry bn might be proficient medically but if they can't do a pull up, barring some injury, they aren't a good medic.
It takes a lot of work to be a good medic in a maneuver bn, some people just belong in the BSB/CSH/Hospital.
I think so, I wanna pee in her butt.
Holy fuck dude, your unit sounds amazing. Ours doesn't do clinic rotations, only those who are close to ETSing they put in the clinic, basically just to dump them there and get them out of the way.
And no one here will ever get put in the BSB/BSTB if they suck. We keep our trash and still put them out on the line as our numbers require.
The only reason I ever spent time in the TMC working with the BN PA was because I arrived when my unit was in Afghanistan, and was immediately on read D, the only medic in my platoon basically, since everyone was already over seas. So they put me in the TMC.
And this whole SOP for fitness for line medics thing is amazing, and wish it was a thing here.
I don't know who you are or what unit you're in, but you sound like the kind of NCO I would love to be under. Keep it up man, and hopefully the IPAP thing works out, you sound like you definitely deserve it
Civie here. I go to a community college, but in the past few weeks, I've witnessed two accidents, a nasty bike accident while hiking, and don't believe I'm prepped for even basic scenarios. Where could I seek better medical education?
Most community colleges have an EMT course. It's easy to find one in your town and I recommend doing it, even if EMT/Paramedic isn't your career choice, it's all still good to know
It was a perfect storm of leadership. My CSM was getting ready to go to his first bde slot, and loved PT more than his grass, my BC was in Ranger Batt in the 80s and commissioned through an ivy league school in the late 80s. He was very pro anything that made our lives easier and deployments more survivable, and my 1SG loved me because I told him his son probably had secondary syphilis my 1st week in the company after meeting him at our company bbq. He did and got treated.
I'm just a lucky guy.
Depends state to state, look up good Samaritan laws for your state. If you have your email and aren't actively working for an ambulance company/the city or municipality you live in you'll be covered under those...I think.
If you're a nationally registered EMT, meaning you've passed the same EMT exam a combat medic has passed, you're fine because you have the certifications to intervene in that event.
It's all about liability, if you're a random guy who thinks he knows a thing or two and helps out at an accident and what you do ends up causing more harm than good and it's found out you have no certifications or anything to perform medial aid, than you're going to get fucked.
I think it's good though to be an EMT and not work in EMS but still maintain valid certs, than be without.
I'll never let my certs expire, even when my medic days are over
One more question:
To be a civilian PA, you need a BS. I'm in school right now, for Biochem and was considering getting my bachelors in it.
Should I finish school and get my bachelors and then enlist or enlist now and get it after I get out?
I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just like to have a general bearing on my future
To be a civilian PA you need a masters, usually in Physician Assistant Studies or something similar. Either way, it's a masters.
The thing is, becoming a PA through the army is actually a pretty hard thing to do, and I have met one person in 3 years who got accepted for it. All the other guys I know who've done it were prior ranger or SF.
There's a lot of bullshit involved, but if you have the prereqs, I say go for it.
If you can go for it as a civilian, I say do it. The only reason me and others who are already medics want to do it is because at this point the Army will pay for it, since we're already in.
Depending on how much of your degree you've finished you could meet all the IPAP pre reqs. If you Google IPAP pre reqs you'll be able to compare your completed credits.
I dropped my packet for IPAP With a little more done and good SATs, and a good rec from my PA and BDE surgeon. I'll find out if it was enough in march.
Your biggest hurdle will probably be getting clinic hours in. But if you get accepted over two years you'll complete a BS in biology I think from University of nebraska, and get a masters from nebraska or Baylor. Can't remember which. All in two years and it only requires like 30 or 40 credits to apply.
Supposedly if you are a male with food processor in their mid 20s you also get a leg up. We'll see about that though.
Holy fuck...male with good PT. God damn it auto correct. I'm done.
I hate taking guys up to the BAS for this very reason. I half carry some concussed guy in there after week two in the field with no shower and they are all in there sipping coffee in t shirts.
The best is when they're new and start talking to you like your some NCO from a rifle platoon, and they're a dumbass private or slick know it all SPC.
>Bitch get away from my guy.
>The SOAP note is already done. >Nobody wants your greasy MRE cheese fingers on them.
>Go find the PA.
The masters is all through University of Nebraska.
IPAP is an awesome program until you realize you're still stuck dealing with pieces of POG shit all day whining about profiles because they don't feel like doing the ruck march coming up
I remember a guy on /k/ once told a story about how his guys kept getting hemorrhoids due to all the anal sex that was going on. This was due to them not using enough lube so he started handing it out to his guys.
Shit, I've only finished my GE last semester. So a first year, basically.
That's why I was on the fence about either finishing school or enlisting and then finishing school.
But 10/10 info thanks to both of you.
>Join Navy specifically to be a green side doc
>Deal with a lot of bs just to get sent to field med
>Pass, but get sent to clinic
>mfw POG as fuck
Thread is inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time. Have a degree, passed up OCS cause I wanted to be all rough and tumble and shit. At this rate I think I should just shoot for med school so I can work an ER setting.
>Maybe I should do 68w/Opt 40?
Do it m8, they hand em out pretty freely. You have nothing to lose really. Worst that can happen is that you end up in the 82nd or something.
If you can't get opt. 40, try for Opt. 4 (Airborne), then submit your package at Benning
Happy to help.
From 2008 to 2015 I finished a total of about 60 credits of random shit just using tuition assistance. In that time I was deployed 3 times and spent a year in Korea. Most everyone is in garrison mode now. You'll have a lot more time than I did to work on classes.
They weren't from places like Kaplan or AMU either. Most of my credits came from UW Tacoma or SUNY Oswego. By no means top tier schools, they aren't degree mills either.
I left UNR after my first semester in because I got passed up for a 4 year ROTC scholarship by some tool with a lower GPA and PT than me because he spent all his time blowing the MSIs.
If it's in your heart to go into the military then you should go for it. Most people just bumble through their time and have shit to show for it. But it doesn't have to be that way.
That sucks dude, navy was first choice but when they said I wasn't guaranteed to get corpsman, and I "probably wouldn't have to worry about being Green side" I told them thanks but no thanks and went next door.
My grandpa was a Green side corpsman in vietnam. I have mad respect for green Corpsman, worked with them in Korea for a CALFX. Had my first real world casualties from 3/5 (I think).
>The one treated first is the one with the immediate life threats
Which is usually the most busted one. At the very least he's the first you check out to see whether there's something left to save.
>finishing BS in biology this year
>tfw GPA is just under med school cutoff
>might join as a 68W
If I can't do med school, I might as well do something worthwhile.
I'm an army medic, but let me tell you that everything in the military revolves around physical fitness.
Lots of people do the minimum, but you won't get promoted beyond e3-4 with a minimum PT score. Won't get picked for schools, and definitely won't be on the line.
If you have a good PT score you will generally have less scrutiny and will be looked favorably upon by your leadership. Joining the military is a personal decision, but not being in shape is going to make it less enjoyable. My medics had the second highest PT average in my company when compared to the fire teams.
I'm not saying you have to be an extended scale stud, I have never run a 2 mile faster than 14:45 and currently run a 15:00, but I can do a 12 miler in about 2:45.00 and max pu and su.
Fitness is probably 70% of the intra personal workings of the military, or the army at least.
A lot of us wanted green side orders. Ironically the few guys who got orders to a division didn't want those orders and/or weren't in shape for it. I wouldn't be so butthurt about not getting orders like that if I saw some shit hot PT stud who was a genius at his job get picked instead of me. But when it's a guy who falls out of PT all the time and barely passed academically getting orders like that it stings.
Yeah, I had to deal with a lot of shit from my recruiter because I was so stubborn about it. Kept pushing me to go officer or nuke cause of my school stuff. Finally got my way though.
It's not hard at all physically to become a corpsman. FMF corpsman though, completely different. You're expected to do as much as a Marine can do, not just for functional reasons, but they hammered it into us that nobody is going to trust us if we can't keep up.
>doing anything other than handing out motrin
Don't do it, take your ASVAB, get the minimum GT for Xray/Delta(110 for xray/115 Delta), go to selection, put delta on your wishlist, do SOCM.
Anything less is a waste of time
IET Soldiers have the highest wash out rate for Ranger and SF. There's nothing wrong with starting as a 68W, spend 4-5 years getting a solid grasp of basic soldier tasks and then moving onto SFAS.
SFAS actively discourages 68W going 18D to the point where they literally brief "we dont make whiskeys into deltas because most of you learn a bunch of stupid shit that is a pain in the ass to un-learn"
Trust me bro, i wouldnt go onto the internet and lie
I had a platoon mate who recently passed selection. He's the only guy I know personally who's gone and passed. He wanted to be an 18B, weapons sergeant, but they told him he's going to be a Delta and there's no ifs ands or buts about it
A medic who passes selection is going to be a Delta, period
And yes the washout rate is fucking atrocious for the SOCM course, no matter what your backround, but either way if you plan on coming from ranger or going through for SF, washout means you go 82nd, so might as well try it right out the gate, if you fail, get some time under tour belt and go back. If your gonna be in for a few years anyway, go for the gold ring right off the bat. It'd be dumb not to
At the risk of being "one of those guys" every class is different, understandably. But i can throw my anecdotal evidence out there too. When i got selected there were 8 whiskeys going for delta slots, they gave them all to xrays
>if you aren't one of those people in classes that is constantly trying to prove how smart they are.
My mistake, read incorrectly
No. Not really. I know fuckall from what I've done but at least I've been exposed to it once hopefully.
Bottom line is you need a 115 gt score to even be considered, first and foremost. Im telling you though, going in as a whiskey and the assumption that you are going to get a delta slot is bad juju
Listen to the old man (PSG), but don't let him push you around. Casualties are his lane, but you're the subject matter expert. Don't bitch at him about the locations of casualty collection points or who's carrying the talon litter, but don't let him dictate triage either. He will fight you on every single call you make, but that's his job. Let him deal with the logistics, just make sure the boys are packaged properly to survive the flight.
and for the love of god, listen to your senior medic on SOPs for the company. Don't be a special snowflake and do a chest tube on somebody on a filthy trashcanistan street.
Fixed blade? a small one?
How's this shit?
Benchmade triage or some shit like that?
One of those fabric cutting hooks ?
You can be sensitive about what I said, but none of it was an attack on you.
I didn't say you were any of those things.I didn't say there was anything wrong with having a back up plan. Or anything about you personally.
I'm speaking from experience. Ask anyone here what they think about those guys who come in with degrees, get their e4 and think they know it all. Or how often people come in with their E4 from basic and aren't giant douchebags about it.
The army should do away with SPC since they got rid of all the other SPC grades. The other three branches have it right, e4 ought to be an NCO, and unattainable regardless of education level from IET.
What do you guys think of SARC?
So I just looked up SOCM and how it was.
Wow, that seems like a lot of fucking info shoved down your throat.
If I was to be interested in going the SF/Ranger route, what could I possibly do now that could prepare me for SOCM if I were to get there?
And possibly EMT cert.
But seriously, those poor bastards get run ragged, on top of all the school work. Got some friends that passed, got some friends that can tell you the exact test question that got them booted. Shits stressful as fuck
I have a question. I joined the navy in December because I wanted to be an fmf corpsman, but according to my recruiter because the asvab score required is so low, the likelihood of getting that position is also low. I think I was tricked by the petty officer at Meps to become an electronic tech on a sub. I've applied for a DAR, but my recruiter says that it is unlikely that I will get corpsman before my leaving date, which is in May. According to my recruiter, I'll be able to become a corpsman after three years. Is that true? Will I have a better chance? I really want to be a medic.
If you were already an EMT you'd already have a head start on the information. In fact, if you were already paramedic level you'd be way prepared, since they'll train you to paramedic level through SOCM.
Also vet courses if you can find any, specifically goats
Dude, go to an army recruiter and see what they can do for you to get that shit nullified.
Your not truly committed until you leave if I remember correctly.
Should have told him to shove his electrician job, you were going to the army recruiter.
Until you're on that bus going to basic training, you're not in yet.
Go to the army, tell them what's up and don't take no for an answer. It's your life and your future and if the navy won't give you what you want and need, maybe the army will.
I'm a junior in hs,I want to be a FMF Corpsman. Any books i could get to study?What contract do I ask my recruiter for?What physically should I work on the most at the gym?Can I become a Corpsman straight out of highschool or do I have to get a degree of some sort?I don't want to be stuck in FOB or a clinic, i'd like to go out on patrols, out of the wire, but do i get to decide that or does the Navy?Any help is appreciated thxs.
Would also like to add, that if you are set on being a navy corpsman you could go back to PO2 fuck nuts and tell him unless he gets your contract renegotiated your going to go to the army recruiter. Threaten to do it rather than doing it. See if that lights a fire under his ass.
Then tell him that he fucked you over and go to another recruiter.
But tell him that you're dropping out of DEP too.
Also make sure to explain the situation fully to your new recruiter so he knows you didn't just drop out bc you changed your mind
Hi, combat medic of 3 years + reserve,
I think two of the under-stressed things in training that you have to remember to do are
1. body temperature - the circumstances that lead a person to get injured in combat and the bodies reaction to said injury and immediate treatment will usually leave the person in a condition where he is rapidly losing heat, make sure to keep the patient covered as much as possible, for colder/night activity I suggest carrying extra blankets and if you can spare the weight - actual blankets - especially important is to note the feet.
2. immediate ptsd prevention - an often neglected part of the medics job is to calm his patient down - talk to him throughout the entire treatment and explain in detail what is happening, if he can reply try chatting with him and asking about the current situation, maybe ask him to identify some objects, people or landmarks around you, anything pertaining to his profession is well also good, for instance if he's a comms guy ask him to do some simple action with your comms, if you have several patients try getting them to talk to each other - the point is to keep them mentally active, don't let them drift into thoughts - I found that by combining feeding a patient information about his situation, what happened and where he is with asking him to perform easy familiar tasks your patient will be able to come out of initial trauma and you'll greatly reduce chances of ptsd.
I've sat down with some battalion's psychologist once and he even suggested a method of keeping a few small cutouts of crossword puzzles and to giving them to a patient to occupy himself with if you need to leave him. Also, carry some hardcandy (not charms) to give patients, I find it greatly improves mood and can even get a couple of laughs.
by prevention I don't want you to think that this is in any way absolute, but in my experience and that of many medics I've talked to these things do help and quite a lot.
That picture was taken at the top of the main temple at Xunantunich, a Mayan temple complex in Belize.
I've stood on that exact same spot.
Not particularly relevant to the thread, but it caught my eye.
>If that's true
Just pulled this off my external hard drive. Was there last summer.
I'm the one in blue.
Oh yeah, Was there for 17 days. Mostly saw the interior and the outlying islands, because the coastal areas are pretty sketchy (stay away from Dangriga) but that's where everything interesting is.
Absolutely gorgeous country. Unfortunately the locals don't treat it particularly well. Littering is a massive problem.
Bumping this question.
I really want to go for SARC, but also considering trying to go for 18D if Navy recruiter does not give me the option to go Corpsman and keeps pushing me to nuke. Is the training and education comparable? And is MARSOC or other units you can be stationed with as unorganized and useless as I have heard some people say?
Become a medic.
Get good at PT.
Fill out 4187 (personnel action, how you ask for shit in the army), your unit will support you because you're not a shitbag.
You could also reenlist for it as of a year ago, don't know if that is still the case. One of my soldiers was able to do it though.