Tell me why this isn't a good value for a first rifle. Main use is for home protection and occasional trips to the range.
>Tell me why this isn't a good value for a first rifle.
because they willfully make it look fucking terrible.
because stop being a poorfag and just accept the beretta master race
because for 200 dollarydoos more you can buy/build an entry level assault rifle 15
because 10 round mags
Literally the only problem is how fucking ugly it looks. That being said it's a pretty good carbine and uses inexpensive 9mm rounds, so it's not too bad for stuff like home protection once you can get over how disgusting it looks.
yea can someone explain why it looks so nasty? i personally feel like its a conspiracy to give a con to such an affordable rifle. "you guys cant sell this for that cheap unless you make it fuck ugly, youll monopolize a market"
Rifle is cheap and reliable. Ammo is cheap. Gun as a tool doesn't matter how it looks. Hey dude, your hammer is ugly.... Why you buy such an ugly screwdriver
.. It's stupid. It's not even ugly anyway.
Stop being dumb and buy a 10/22 or a model 60 or model 795. If you won't do that then spend $600 and buy an AR. The new Sport II is pretty decent.
Pistol-caliber carbines are pretty dumb in general. A 995 is not a good first or second gun. It's a good tenth gun.
The family of some columbine victim sued Hi Point nearly into the ground. They have little incentive to spend R&D time on a $200 carbine.
Their CEO has explicitly stated they have no interest in developing higher capacity or dual stack magazines.
Blowback disassembly is generally pretty bad.
OP here. Not too good for a 22. Already have a 9mm handgun. Hi Point 9 mm carbine around the same price as a 22. Can use the same ammo. Want to eventually build an AR, but live in PR of NJ, ban compliant parts not as readily available and are normally cost more.
>i live in new jersey
That's something you mention in the OP numb nuts.
You already fucked up by buying a handgun first. Buy a lower receiver now and keep buying parts as you can afford them.
>Want to eventually build an AR, but live in PR of NJ
I'm fully aware of the New Jersey "assault firearm" rules. You get one evil feature which you can spend on a threaded barrel/pinned flash suppressor, pistol grip, folding/telescoping stock, or (lol) a grenade launcher.
You can make an off the shelf AR NJ legal merely by pop riveting the stock open and pinning a muzzle brake or thread protector (but not a flash suppressor!) in place.
>Main use is for home protection
>largest capacity "reliable" magazines are 10 rounds
>even then the "reliable" magazines regularly have problems relating to misaligned or bent feed lips
>gun has a problem bending or breaking the firing pin if you shoot it to much
>gun is a pain in the ass to disassemble and clean
>gun is basically a glorified pistol and not even a good one at that
>risk hollow points over expanding and under penetrating due to being fired at a higher velocity than they're meant for
If you want something for home defense that's cheap and effective, get a Mossberg 500/590/Maverick 88 new or used or an older used Remington 870 and load it with your choice of buckshot (I prefer #4 buckshot but some prefer 00 buck or #1 buckshot). Generally a quality used gun > a similarly priced new gun as long as it isn't completely beat to shit.
>The family of some columbine victim sued Hi Point nearly into the ground.
>things that didn't happen
>Blowback disassembly is generally pretty bad.
Decently designed straight blowback guns are generally easier to disassemble than most other guns.
>implying field stripping isn't what gun owners who aren't autistic mean when they talk about disassembling their guns
>implying that you can remove the barrel on most rifles with just a $20 armorer's wrench
Besides, exactly why do you plan on needing to remove the barrel in the first place? Pistol ammunition put so little wear on the barrel that gun will likely suffer irreparable damage elsewhere that will either require you to replace the gun or will make more sense financially to replace the gun before any loss of accuracy at the ranges you will be using it at ever becomes an issue.
And dat warranty.
I wouldnt get it for HD, pistol calibers arent exactly known for being super deadly. And the magazine capacity is shit. But for a range toy, this fits the bill.
If anything breaks, you get a new one. And i dont know if you own a pistol, but the cross capabilities would be a plus.
Hi-Point pistols are super bad (super good for their price, but super bad otherwise) but the carbines are ACTUALLY pretty good. I have one and don't often have malfunctions with it. Excellent for its price.
Also, if it's good enough for the Columbine shooters, it's good enough for you.
>Their CEO has explicitly stated they have no interest in developing higher capacity or dual stack magazines.
funny, I can remember an announcement exactly the opposite of that.
they claimed they'd been working on a doublestack 995 for several years new but continue to hit engineering and financial setbacks
ITs not even that bad if you upgrade it yourself
And probably the only actual downside is that it has 10 rounds, and the 15 round aftermarket mags are terrible.
/k/ hates it because its not oper8r and /k/ is holier than thou about every gun so you shouldn't be surprised.
Nah, I've got AKs and ARs, but there's something about super cheap guns that I really love. They have a certain charm.
It's just like a moped or a fat chick. I want to try one but I don't want to be seen with one.
Hi-point 9mm carbine + 15 round mags + good ammo + flashlight is a decent CQC setup.
10-15 easy-to-aim and low-recoil rounds entering lower .357 magnum ranges isn't a bad dealio.
>ITs not even that bad if you upgrade it yourself
Yes, it is. All the extra shit that the one in that pic has slapped on it brings the price of the gun up to the same price as a PSA Freedom AR build which would significantly better. Seriously, that's $250-$300 worth of accessories on a $250 gun.
>And probably the only actual downside is that it has 10 rounds
Don't forget how those magazines regularly have problems with out of spec feed lips from the factory and can be damaged easily.
>Don't forget how those magazines regularly have problems with out of spec feed lips from the factory and can be damaged easily.
and? just test your mags and if they don't work spend all of 10 minutes tweaking the feed lips or send them back to beemiller
if garbage is what you love, Godspeed
far be it from me to stand between s man and his irrational live
>anon doesn't already own a spare set of MBUIS, a TRS-25, and an AFG
Literally the only thing that was put on that carbine that is unique to it is the full top rail which cost $60
Nobody says you have to buy all that shit for your carbine. And maybe some people want a cheap plinking gun to suit up just for fun?
I've never had this problem. The factory mags work fine and I've never damaged them before.
You're probably thinking about the aftermarket mags which do have feed lip problems that can damage the gun apparently.
>potentially weaken the feed lips of already weak magazines or spend the money to ship them back to the factory
>it better be for how expensive it is.
What? They start at about $600, that's not expensive at all for what you're getting. Keep in mind that the only reason AR-15s are as cheap as they are is because the market is flooded with them.
>I've never had this problem. The factory mags work fine and I've never damaged them before.
I've seen complaints about reliability with Hi Point guns and they almost always end up being due to out of spec feed lips on the magazines. I know the magazines are weaker than those from other manufacturers because I've read about people attempting to weld Suomi drums to them (as people have done with other pistol magazines) and the pressure from the spring of the drum bending the feed lips to the point where the magazines spew the rounds out.