Or "How I wasted my Saturday"
Hey /k/ you ever deal with somebody that didn't know about gun laws?
Somebody who logically should have known?
Here is the story about how my saturday was wasted
>I won a bid on gunbroker for an antique (pre 1898) H&R top break revolver
>I'm under 21, but because of legal shennanigans antique guns are not legally 'firearms'
>I recieve my gun in the mail and the gun has a few problems
>The hammer wouldnt engage the sear but it would work in DA
>My normal gunsmith wouldn't touch it, he only works on 1911s
>I asked around and the closest smith that'll work on it is a guy working out of garage 25 miles away
>I get there and there are tools all over the place
>even the freshmen at the machining college I went to are neater than this
>he takes a look at it for me
>He immediately calls it a saturday night special and says its only worth $50
>His dismissive attitude to a potential customer throws up a red flag for me right there
>Since I allready wasted my time driving there, I stay and ask him how much to fix it
>He pops the grips off and starts poking around the lockwork with a screwdriver
>He tells me it needs parts, and that It'll cost around $120
>Since I have no alternative I take his offer
>He asks me for my ID for paperwork and I give it to him
>inna California about to purchase an East German AK from Atlantic, specifically get the Cali legal option
>call up my FFL gun store to give them a heads up
>"okay sir what gun are you getting?"
>"what? You can't have an AK in California, that's illegal! It's a good thing you called to check otherwise we would've had to report you to the DOJ"
>uhhhh, okay. I'm pretty sure that's not how that would work but whatever
>do a quick Google maps search and call the next gun store on the list
>"yeah, no problem. We'll call you when the waiting period's up"
and that was the last time I dealt with that store
>He starts sperging out
>"THATS ILLEGAL YOU CAN'T HAVE A
PISTOL YOU'RE NOT 21"
>At this point I'm regretting not leaving when he lowballed me on the value of my gun
Then it happens
>He grabs the pistol of the counter and yells
>"YOU CAN HAVE THIS BACK WHEN YOU'RE 21"
>"NOW LEAVE MY PROPERTY OR I'LL CALL THE POLICE"
>Its at this point I realise that this fucking manchild is trying to steal my gun
>I tell him to give me back my property and I'll be on my way
>He refuses "NO YOU CANT HAVE IT THATS ILLEGAL YOU CANT OWN A PISTOL" and starts dialing 911
>I of course am not going to let this down syndrome motherfucker have only his side heard, so I too call 911
>we apparently both call the same dispatcher because I can hear Sloth from the goonies over the phone
>Lady says that the staties are the closest and will deal with the developing clusterfuck that is this situation
>I walk outside so I don't have to listen to sloth yell at me
>30 minutes later the state two cars roll up; the state police have arrived
>I don't remember their names so from this point forward I'll be referring to them as Barney Fife and Affirmitave Action (AA)
>The obviously mentally challanged smith waddles out and starts sperging at the cops who promptly tell him to shut the fuck up
>Barney acts as tard wrangler and guides him inside the shop for his statement
>The cop who talks to me is AA, a black woman who obviously doesn't know the first thing about gun laws
>tells me that I can't legally own a pistol
>I tell her that you can, you cant buy a pistol from a FFL dealer until 21, and that private transfers are a thing
>the cop inside walks out with Sloth in hot pursuit
>Fife has confiscated the gun from Sloth and starts talking to me about it
>The cop tells AA that the gun doesn't have a serial number and I point out that Its on the frame under the cylinder
>Sloth speaks up "HE CANT HAVE THAT THE GUN SHOOTS A MODERN CARTRIDGE SEE"
>he fumbles and drops a .32 long round and the cop tells him to go back inside
>Affirmitave Action asks to see my Drivers liscence and starts writing down my name
>She asks me to follow them back to the police barracks
>At this point I'm not getting my gun serviced by the smith, they have my gun and my ID so I say fuckit and just go along with it.
>I'm terrified he won't give me my gun back
>I walk up to him and whip out his Johnson
>start delivering the best blowjowski of my life
>get my pistol back and the cops have just arrived
>sloth the cops and I are now orgy buddies and we all laugh about that day
>I arrive at the barracks and they fucking pat me down before they'll talk to me
>They say I'm not under arrest and can leave, but they want to see if they "can legally return the gun" to me
>I give them my side of events- went to get shit fixed and instead got sperged at
>They tell me that they need to consult with some officer on duty that has a FFL about the laws
>The guy comes into the room with AA me and I finally talk to somebody competent
>I tell him the gun is antique and that I legally acquired it
>he tells AA that he looked at the laws and "that due to a Loophole he can own the gun"
>He tells me that everything looks legal and he 'just' needs for me to pass a background check before they can return my property
>I wait for three fucking hours before they remember that I'm there and tell me "PICS isn't picking up, come back tuesday to pick your gun up"
>OP GOES TO A SMITH TO HAVE AN ANTIQUE FIXED AND ENDS UP TRYING TO GET HIS PROPERTY BACK FROM THE STATE POLICE
somehow I doubt a smith that dumb can afford a johnson, let alone have one just lying around for you to grab.
This happened to me back in September.
>get gifted a Springfield 1911
>a year later, something happens to it that requires a gun smith to fix
>take it to the smith and he agrees to work on it
>a week or so later, get a call from him telling me it's done and to come and pick it up.
>go down to pick it up
>all of a sudden telling me that he can't give it back to me because I was 19 at the time
>have to wait a year to get it back
Learned a valuable lesson.
>Hey /k/ you ever deal with somebody that didn't know about gun laws?
You mean EVERYONE??
There are an estimated 10,000 Federal laws and codes... nobody has been able to count them all, apparently. Top that off with thousands more city, state, and county laws... and how many laws regulating firearms are there?
More than anyone on /k/ can count?
why would op want to avoid fucking retard gunsmith over? Retard gunsmith tried to steal his gun and got it confiscated by the police for no reason. if he doesn't know basic gun laws, he shouldn't be running a business fixing guns.
because when the faggot calls the cops it's going to come back to him.
Also he doesn't have his gun back yet
>there's nothing that says you need to be 21 to own a pistol
There is a law that says you have to be atleast 18 to own a pistol though.
he's not really your regular gunsmith if you just buy guns and ammo from him. I wouldn't consider chevron my mechanic because I buy gas from them.
it's not a loophole though. It's specifically allowed by the law, written in plain writing. fucking gungrabbers don't seem to know what that actually means.
>muh gun show loophole that doesn't exist
Honestly OP, you could have probably avoided all this shit if you were more insistent on referring to it as an antique. You're seem to be treating it like a modern firearm by how you talk.
Start throwing Gatorade bottles filled with piss and shit at the guys house for revenge. Put an MRE in one and put it on his door step. The gases will build up and explode shit and piss on his door.
But state/local governments are not obligated to enforce federal statutes.
Source: 10th Amendment
The problem is that instead of getting a visit from your friendly town sheriff, you get a visit from mister FBI/ATF/CIA/DEA/NSA/EPA/DOE
OP I hope they gave you a receipt or something
I would not be surprised if those faggots go "hey, do we have an antique gun here? someone take one in on Saturday?" "no"
"sorry kid, we ain't got nothing"
normally I'd agree with you, but these little top breaks are a bit tricky unless you're really well tooled up and have some experience, I'll happily do a centerfire conversion on my swiss vetterli or peen the gas block spline on my garand, but I still haven't worked up the courage to deal with the cylinder gap issue on my H&R that I've owned for probably 6 years now
wouldn't call them good... adequate maybe, for self defense in 1903 or earlier. much better alternatives started popping up after that.
they're neat because they're top breaks, but other then that they're pretty meh, triggers will suck, sights kinda suck, they frequently will have mechanical issues because they were cheap guns that got abused as people's EDC before getting thrown in a drawer and neglected for decades.
I bought this one >>28572202 years ago, but I've only shot it once in that time and another range trip with it is not especially high on my priority list. still take it out and play with it occasionally because I do like the mechanism.
It's not a fucking loophole. Antique firearms are exempt, and private sales are exempted from the Youth Handgun Safety Act.
Exemptions are NOT loopholes, especially not when the gun grabbers who suggest they ARE loopholes are the ones who agreed to them in the first fucking place.
so, while we're on the subject of pre-1898 legalities, if I I buy a swiss model 1889 with it's 12 round box mag and bring it into new york or CT with their current ban on mags over 10 rounds, is it technicaly legal or not? the mag is technically "detachable" but is never actually supposed to be removed in practice except for cleaning, just like with the mag on the SMLE.
I'm pretty sure "It's a fucking antique rifle" should basically trump the magazine bullshit but it's pretty grey area.
>few days after turning 18
>get "gifted" a pistol after paying a few hundred bucks to someone special
>terrified of incompetent cops so I carry around a copy of the laws with my gun in my car because I can't carry it yet outside of my car
That blows man, his site is linked to on the local guy in Schwenskville that I use as my FFL. I was hoping it wasn't swamp pike, but I figured it wasn't since he doesn't do gunsmithing.
you can buy a handgun in a private sale at 18 and pre 1899 firearms are not legally firearms, even if they take self enclosed cartridges.
OP should have done the right (bitch) move of calling his dad and having him knifehand that retarded fudd and call the goddamn police.
>Only have one local gunsmith
>Old retired Navy guy
>As fudd as fudd can be: shop is only hunting rifles, O/U shotguns, sporterized milsurp, single action revolvers, vintage S&W revolvers, and black powder
>Guy even CCs a 4.5" Gen 2 SAA
>Go in to get my beat up surplus Hi Power re blued
>Expect to get shit because it isn't a rimmed cartridge revolver or some shit
>We start talking
>Turns out throughout the 70s and 80s he worked with a whole bunch of top competition shooters
>Made PCC guns from S&W revolvers for famous competition shooters, two of which won national competitions with his guns
>He was S&W's very first company trained out of factory gunsmith from the early 70s
>Worked with Dan Wesson for a few years
>Knows everything there is to know about Browning's guns
>I only wanted the gun re blued and to remove the mag disconnect
>Leave and get a call when it's done and go pick it up
>He not only blues and removes the disconnect but polishes the feed ramp, gives it a (not super extensive but good enough and free) trigger job, and replaces the worn out surplus springs for only the cost of the bluing
>Tells me he always got shit on in the 70s by 1911fags because he was a huge Hi Power fan
>Says it was a treat because he doesn't see people bringing in Hi Powers into his shop much anymore
I'm thinking about having him rig up a PCC gun for me out of one of my old beat up surplus S&Ws because PCC revolvers are neat
You're wrong, when tbey return the gun to you it is a transfer, that does require a background check and you'd need to be 21 to get it back. Don't bother getting pistols under 21, its a pain in the ass to get ammo and work done
it isn't a gun, it's a pre 1899 firearm. IE in the same legal category as a paperweight.
If OP wasn't so autistic he'd be walking into that place with his father and a lawyer on monday and asking to talk to whoever is high enough up the ladder to not have thier head up thier own ass.
Curious question, is it still a straw purchase if it's in the family. For example: say I got a job mowing lawns at 14 and saved up a few hundred dollars. Would it be legal to give my dad the money, walk into the gun store with him, point to the one I want and have him buy it with my money?
It's irrelevant now, since the last time I did that was a few years ago. I just wanna know if the gaytf would have fucked a 14 year old for his nugget.
I think this kinda answers this question-
because it's only an "ammunition magazine" if it is used by a firearm. since the M1889 is legally "a paperweight" and not a firearm, then its magazine is merely "a metal box that gp90 rounds happen to fit in" since there are no post-1898 firearms that will accept it.
it's all kinda moot anyway, since there are something like a few million unregistered mags in CT and people actively smuggling them in all the time and pretty much no fucks are given because the law is fucking unenforceable.
This. California has lot's of fudd gunstores with just wild west stuff, hunting or ww2 guns.
Always look for tactical gunstores in CA, sure, lot's of mall nonja shit, but they won't freak out and know about bullet buttons, featureless builds and the like.
Hell, the rifle store I go to is a favorite of the cops.
that is literally, entirely wrong
have you even heard of Abramski v. US? You can buy a gun as a gift for someone, but if they pay you for it it's a straw purchase. Being absolutely unenforceable unless you literally pay with someones personal check with "for gun" in the memo line (like abramski v US), you can straw purchase a gun, consider it a gift, and be "gifted" the price you paid for aforementioned gun legally.
A straw purchase is buying a gun on behalf of someone else.
Buying a gun for someone as a GIFT is perfectly legal.
If a buddy wants a gun that costs $400, he gives you $400 and tells you to go buy it. That is a straw purchase. Doesn't matter if he could have legally done it himself.
Say you want to give a buddy a $400 gun, you go in buy it and give it to him. That is fine.
If someone wants a gun for $386 and asks you to buy it and you buy it and give it to them, then later they give you $386 for "backrent" or "friendship fee" or w/e you're in a grey area