>"I'd never open carry because a badguy would just take the gun away from me or I'd be the first person he'd target in a shooting!"
Is there a single, recorded event of this ever happening or is this just a fuddlore meme?
There's one story that gets trotted out every time of some guy having his Walther P22 taken from him because he was sitting in the middle of the ghetto in the middle of the night in the middle of the street paying no damn attention to anything around him.
Literally the only story I've heard of this happening.
>I'd be the first person he'd target in a shooting
>Is there a single, recorded event of this ever happening or is this just a fuddlore meme?
Yes. Green on Blue attacks in Afghanistan happen exactly like this, the first targets always end up being American and coalition soldiers who are armed, unarmed personnel are targets of opportunity. It's also the natural instinct of every attacker to prioritize the biggest noticeable threat, in this case, the idiots open-carrying.
No idea, but while we're on the subject of open carry
>be me, listening to npr
>story about oc now legal in Texas
>interview two BLACK gun instructors on what they carry and how no one stares at them
>talk a little about how oc has not led to numerous O.K. Corral style shootouts
>interview young trendy guy and girl millenials who have "just gotten their pistol permit"
>guy talks about how dumb oc is and you're just putting a target on your back
>girl starts shrieking and screaming about how oc'ers are just edgy men children who want to intimidate, scare, and get a rise out of people
>actually starts screaming on radio about how they have tiny penises with their guns and big trucks
Goddamn that pissed me off. Five bucks says they didn't have their "pistol licenses."
Talking about this article?
I saw it too. Back when they were going to legalize suppressors here, NPR played some interview with a MDA-type who was hysterical that silencers would lead to hitmen silently assassinating targets and a mass shooting every day, but no interviews with pro-gun people.
NPR usually has good reporting, but their bias is easy to spot.
the community is constantly looking for even the slightest edge. they will change recoil springs to prevent porpoising, they mill slides to remove a little weight, they coat internals with teflon nickel to reduce friction, upgrade sights, grips, triggers, barrels... etc for any small advantage in a fight.
OC is giving up such a **Massive** Advantage to almost be relegated to complete retardation.
Yes. Here in georgia there was a pawnshop where one of the employess was open carrying (I think he was the only guy working there, the rest were females) and to start the robbery the two guys shot him in the head then robbed the store.
Yup, that's the one. Yeah their bias does tend to slip out on the gun control reporting. Although, one of their shows, think it might have been radiolab, actually did a pretty decent little bias story on guns a few months ago.
That's not the reason I don't open carry. The real reason is that it's socially acceptable here to conceal but only guys with dick problems and cops carry open. Same reason I dint wear tats on my face or wear a swastika cape.
surrendering the advantage of surprise should not be understated. not only are you giving up a massive advantage point you cross over into putting yourself at a disadvantage to criminals that retain it.
>to start the robbery the two guys shot him in the head then robbed the store.
What exactly stops them from shooting him in the head if he's not carrying at all?
That's not exactly the realm of fantasy anon.
In fact a Cumberland farms in my home city about two years ago was robbed. The guy and his girlfriend who robbed it shot the kid behind the counter as they walked out.
He wasn't open carrying.
I see a civilian with a gun on his hip and I instantly feel like I'm in danger just by being around that person. Either because someone is going to grab that gun or he's going to see the wrong person eyeing his gun and shoot someone. Why open carry?
>Asks for sources, wondering if this actually happens or if it's just theoretical and anecdotal evidence
>People just provide theories and anecdotal evidence
Way to prove OP right, guys.
It does happen, tactically the advantage is for CC over OC: http://www.kptv.com/story/26729956/man-openly-carrying-new-gun-in-gresham-robbed-by-armed-man
In LEO shooting death statistics anywhere from 25-75% are killed with their own gun, depending upon the year.
>>guy talks about how dumb oc is and you're just putting a target on your back
>>girl starts shrieking and screaming about how oc'ers are just edgy men children who want to intimidate, scare, and get a rise out of people
>>actually starts screaming on radio about how they have tiny penises with their guns and big trucks
OMG I heard the same interview NPR here in Austin. I almost lost my shit listening to that one, it was so embarrassing.
This is the same board that talks about jets and tanks and shit, yet only a fraction of this board has ever been near one. Let alone operated these machines to the point they can discuss them. They just argue numbers and MUH COUNTRY BETTA UH HUH.
Same thing with people that don't have guns.
Beats me, but there are a few accounts of OC fagtards being robbed at gunpoint:
I wouldn't expect someone so fucking stupid he OC's to grasp the concept, but when you OC you surrender all tactical advantage of surprise, so it wouldn't startle me at all to hear of a future mass shooting where an OCer was the first victim.
just imagine if everyone in america open carried on a daily basis.
instead of talking about the weather by default people would talk about guns.
sounds like a damn good and safe society to me.
Are you active duty? If not, you're a fucking civilian too. If you are active duty, that still doesn't make you special or anymore qualified to handle firearms. Fuck off faggot.
>At this point, what difference does it make?
>give me proof
>I refuse to accept the proof you give me - give me proof
I'm not the OP and wasn't the one asking for proof. I'm pointing out the lack of evidence. One guy in a ghetto being retarded doesn't mean OC is a bad idea. It means OC in the ghetto at 2am with an unloaded .22lr and not paying attention to what's around you means you're a fucking retard who deserved to have your shit stolen.
Most people who bother to go through the trouble of OC (especially where it's licensed) aren't going to be that stupid.
What you and the other anons are doing is literally like me saying women drivers are horrible because one cut me off one time, and just repeating that story every time driving comes up.
The only case of it happening that I've heard of is the one already posted about the dude in the ghetto at night. But I don't really care much for OC. I did it for a few years because CC wasn't allowed until I was 21, and it was somewhat uncomfortable being out and about with a visible gun, even if it was the most pro gun area ever. My situational awareness was always super high and every time I would walk past someone I would make sure to position myself in a way to defend against someone trying to snatch my gun. If that's for you, fine, but I CC now and it lets me be more calm and I really don't notice a difference in draw speed.
I would also like to point out to the people of this thread that there is a difference between cops and regular guys OCing. A criminal may target a cop first because he's decked out head to toe in a cop uniform, while that same criminal may not have been able to spot a seemingly average dude with a pistol on his hip.
Holy shit, the mayor got shot twice in the head with a .40 and lived.
If your CCW then your okay because you are not being arrested immediately on sight and you will not be killed immediately on sight by some cop or jamal or tyrone or who ever the fuck and also NO ONE KNOWS YOU HAVE A FUCKING GODDAMN GUN SO NO FUCKING IMMEDIATE DRAMA BULLSHIT BY THE PUBLIC!!!
Thats why ccw is better than oc because if your oc then everything I have stated above would be 100% the opposite!!!
Now look open carry is one thing when it is just out in the county or on your land but open carrying in public places like campuses, malls, parks and government places then your at that point just pure asking to get arrested or to be shot either way besides conceal carry is better because at least when like for example your in a store and some jamal guy goes in and goes all crazy and the guy next to you is open carrying well jamal is gonna shoot the oc guy first but your conceal carrying and he doesn't know you have a gun so when he goes to turn his back on you then you take your gun out and shoot his jamal ass and there you saved the day and your alive but the oc guy what did he prove well he's dead because jamal saw he had a gun and he was the first to go so there you go there is your fucking reason!
Also open carrying does not make all the niggies run away like little bitches all the time so you don't go throwing that shit at me because just because this other nigger ran off from the sight does not mean that all and every single individual niggers would run off when they see a gun! It's just like saying that if a burglar ran off from the sound of your shotgun going click-clack! Does not mean that all burglars will run off when they hear your shotgun being pumped.
Conceal carry is a common sense and it does not give gun owners a bad view but open carrying faggots go around and just draw attention to themselves and give the libtards more ammo to throw shit at us because of an open carrying jackass.
Conceal Carry +1
Open carry -0
Check mate open carry fags
>bending over to libcucks because you don't want to upset them or "draw attention" to expressing your right to have a gun to defend yourself
>being scared of someone shooting you first or taking your gun instead of gitting gud at drawing and situational awareness and getting a good holster
Open carry is /comfy/ as fuck if I'm going to the range or innawoods, but those are the only times I'd consider doing it. I'm not afraid of being a target or having the gun taken away from me, I just want to pick up bread and milk without having some crazy soccer mom come up to me and ask "Why do you NEED that?!?" Simple as that.
>bending over to libcucks because you don't want to upset them or "draw attention" to expressing your right to have a gun to defend yourself
I don't see how not wanting to draw attention to myself is "bending over to liberals." I just prefer to keep a low profile. Not every gun owner is on some crusade to
>express muh gun right
>I see a civilian
>I think, therefore facts are irrelevant
I am but I've lived in the midwest and the south for the last 7 years. There's a reason why the places that are the most poor and least educated are also the ones who walk around with guns on their hip.
There would be a lot less police from the force saturation who would be way more hesitant on messing with other civilians.
Police don't make skyscrapers, civilians do. So an armed society can increase their productivity without paying millions per cop to do nothing but fuck around.
You're just too easily offended.
Yeah they interview a couple of retards, but guess what? Most people, even gun owners, are retarded and can't eloquently defend their position in the 5 seconds it takes to get a sound bite. Anti-gun girl came out sounding really retarded though, and most people will see it that way.
Also the majority of the interview was about how OC affected CC, which it fucking has and it pisses me off. Almost everywhere I go, they've put up 30.06 and 30.07 where before they had nothing.
Yeah, I don't get ppl who think putting an NRA sign in their front yard keeps undesirables away. What it really says is...
>Guns in house. Break in and take them when I leave for work.
I caught that, too.
The black couple were the first two they interviewed and they ended their opening statement with "OH, AND WE'RE BLACK."
Couple of race baiting shitheads. I was really disappointed NPR aired that, they're normally much better than that.
>Having my arms amputated so I can assure my "opponent" filled world that I am no threat
I'm not a fat fuck, so I tend to print.
Which, by the way, is perfectly fine to do in Texas when you are CC legally, so I don't get why so many faggots bring up printing as an excuse for OC.
Also not poor either, but if some cucked judge wants to they can give you up to a year of jail time which of course WILL make me poor.
well in theory simply OCing would be enough to prevent a confrontation since the offending party knows you have a gun.
CCing gives you an advantage in a confrontation but still has the issue of a confrontation starting in the first place.
>if some cucked judge wants to they can give you up to a year of jail time
Umm, no retard, the punishment for carrying in a place with a 30.06 sign was changed to a class C misdemeanor, no jail time. Your stupidity is probably why you are poor.
They wouldn't just try to grab it. They'd smash you in the back on the head and take it while you're knocked out. Or, if you're somewhere with bad enough crime, they'll probably shoot you and take it.
Okay, I didn't notice the change from Class A to Class C.
It's still fucking retarded to have to break the law like a nigger just because you stupid fucks can't just leave something that works alone. Also, I probably make more money off of dividends than you do at your job.
>I probably make more money off of dividends than you do at your job.
Yet, you're not smart enough to pick up a newspaper or follow a story on an avocation you have a interest in, right...
I think I've heard of one other instance previously of an open carrier being robbed of his gun at gunpoint where it wasn't 2 AM. Don't remember the source though
Still, a whopping TWO incidents
I think open carry is dumb when concealed carry is an option, but that being said there's no reason people shouldn't be able to do it.
If anything I think there needs to be open carry laws just so that you can take your jacket off and such without suddenly breaking the law
if you're in a county not near the coast, yes, because those areas are reasonable. if you're near the coast, no, because that's where all the liberals congregate. the only way you can get a license is if you have some big bucks to contribute to someone
Not even those. The term comes from Elmer Fudd, and refers to those who only want people to be able to own hunting firearms, generally they don't want semiautos around at all, even if they are sporting rifles and shotguns. A fudd doesn't think you should have handguns at all because they aren't good fer nothin' but killin'. Someone being a fudd isn't about them liking old things, it's about them only wanting to hunt.