Should've been a pilot edition
>implying anyone uses IRC
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For Ranger info, obviously.
All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
For all Army SF info.
For Navy Corpsman info.
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
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Ask questions, answer questions, bitch about recruiters. Just keep it contained to this general
someone recommended pic related. It's amazing and really breaks down its subject matter in a practical, detailed way. Gives a no bs idea of what it's like.
However it only covers BUD/S. Anything like this for actual SEAL deployment/career stuff? Warrior Elite?
Warrior Elite is pretty good. So is the previous book on BUD/s he did.
Not a ton of "technical" info, but a very cool "fly on the wall" view of what goes on and some decent insight into characters and the people who are in that world.
In fact, all of Couch's books are like that. A little dull in places, but you get a very clear documentary like picture of what goes on.
There's a saying that's basically universal among SOF types:
>Selection never ends
Getting in is literally the easiest part of the job. You're in? OK, develop some useful skills. You better be elite in those too? Got skills? Great. Get more skills. Done training? Really? Thinking about retirement or something? No? Get more skills!
If you're not increasing your value to your team each day, all you've got is skills that are degrading from lack of use and increasing age.
I'm about to graduate from college with a bachelors in EE in May and I realized that I hate engineering work. I also want to get away from my retarded family's problems. I have no idea what the military could offer in the way of electronics related jobs or whether I should even consider them.
>I'm about to graduate from college with a bachelors in EE in May and I realized that I hate engineering work.
Lol, that was literally me about ten years ago. My Junior year I realized I hated chemical engineering, but I was too far along to switch without having to spend another year.
I graduated and enlisted in the Marines into the Field Artillery branch. (Literally nothing that could help me in civilian life.) They made me a Fire Support Man.
Best decision I ever made.
Don't worry about applying your education. You'll use your academic experience and intellect in other places and you'll get ahead organically.
I think I just realized I prefer shooting guns to inhaling my own farts like everyone else does at this school. I really should have done ROTC at my school, but I don't even have an idea of which branch I would want either.
Dude, that is almost literally me. Spent four and a half years getting a BS in Microbiology, over a year without work and only a few interviews. Thought long and hard about it and decided to enlist over officer (big one being I want the actual job skills and not the management skills, plus I can always commission later since I did get the degree) and am now shipping out in April.
Anyway doing my research into what jobs I wanted I did see electrician like jobs in pretty much every branch that I considered for awhile. Find a good recruiter from whatever branch you're looking at and who's willing to wait for one of them to drop. Or if you're sick of anything like that, well, take a good long look at what you want to do and see what the military has that let's you go after it.
I still wanna be a pilote but for now I have the best seat in the house.
What are military intel jobs like? I'm like
but with an econometrics degree. I started out looking at SF stuff because civvie life just isn't for me, but i keep hearing little mentions of intel.
I'm hard working and want to go to cool-guy school, but even though i'm fit, I'm worried my familie's tendency toward fragility could be a liability in SF training. Being part of a team like
mentioned where it's all skillz all the time and everyone pulls their weight sounds awesome though. Maybe Intel has a middle ground?
The timer starts when you swear in and ship off to training.
There's high-speed opportunities in intel, but realize that even if you're attached to coolguys it is mostly desk work.
If you hate your intel job you'll never be good enough at it to get the cool opportunities, so make sure it is something you can stand doing.
I've heard that most people do end up hating it.
>a 10 year commitment is half my fucking life
No it isn't you dingus.
And if you're doing what you love, it shouldn't matter how long the time is. And if you aren't doing something that you love for 10 years why the fuck are you doing it?
but im 20 now 20/2 is 10 and thats half
yeah thats probably why i chose not to do that
planes are cool though
>his service commitment begins on the day the naval aviator is winged.
Student naval aviators incur an eight-year active duty service commitment that begins after they complete flight training.
>but im 20 now 20/2 is 10 and thats half
I see what you mean now.
At 30 years old you still have probably 60 years to live. If you really want to be a pilot I don't see a reason why you shouldn't do that, because you can be a pilot for a long ass time, getting payed some damn good money too (six digits), and retire fairly comfortably.
Then you could probably do whatever the fuck you want to afterwards if you've got connections. After a decade or two you should probably have some good connections.
No moreso than any other military job. Intel can be really cool if you have the right mindset for it. It is also a field that allows even junior service members to have a very high level of impact. The biggest cause of attrition in intel is not that people hate their jobs, but that they realize they can do their jobs full-time for twice the wages if they just go become civilians.
>this guy wears anal beads during flight
>Handle for the inflatable lifepreserver
Its weird to think in ~96 hours Ill be at lackland, and yet here I am at my PC a few states away just shitposting and playing a few video games.
I truly cant wait to get to the DLI though. I love learning languages.
>Where do I look to learn about these and what I need?
You get in, get good at your job, and ask around. Some of them are pretty well known (Rangers/SF recruiting intel guys for support billets), and some of them you won't get any details on unless you're inside a secure facility.
If you're wanting to do tactical intel stuff, getting airborne school and maintaining high PT scores is a good start.
I learned German during my short time in college and became pretty good at it, nearly fluent.
I learned how to read japanese and understand a basic level of it when I was bored, same with korean and russian.
I can read all their alphabets.
Chinese I got ok at a while ago but forgot some of it during some stressful times.
Arabic I started trying to learn but its tough
ich bin leider nicht nach deutschland gegangen.
I would but the whole shitfest going on there needs to die down a little first.
The language is hard to read beacuse its like cursive.
I have a friend who still cant read english cursive after like 5 years in america (hes from israel). I am sure if I get arabic at the DLI I will learn it quickly from good instructors but for now I will just hold off on it, not like i have much time anyway.
Leaving tuesday for Bmt
That's what i was lookin for. Thanks.
I'm kinda trying to get away from the desk. There's a huge chance my lumbar spine is gonna go for shit in 3-10 years (both sides of senpai have it bad) though, so I guess i'm fucked for cool-guy stuff. Oh well.
Maybe with your knowledge in Arabic, Germany wouldn't be so bad :^) But really that is some bad shit going down there. I got in and out right before that happened.
I can only imagine, not only cursive but right to left too.
Good luck anon, you sound like you've got a solid handle on languages already.
Languages is honestly the only thing I've found in my 22 years that I'm naturally gifted at learning. I'm good and ok at most other subjects, but language is the one that I want to learn most and I just feel like its so easy. It's almost to me like simple word replacement with a hint of grammar rules. I don't know how to explain.
Ausfag here. Just did my aptitude test and got martime warfare officer. From my understanding you can specialise into pwo or oceanology etc etc with majority into pwo. So what what does pwo do? Are they just generalist officers for the navy?
The recruiter said she would set it for me if i want it in my preferences. Im currently going for rmc. Tbh i got really interested in the navy cause ive heard its more team focused (maybe false). Then theres the adventure of travelling.
Pretty much but i really dont know what is considered max. The page is pretty full except line M. Where i only got martime warfare officer. Didnt get some intellegence roles also.
Got my EOD dream crushed at MEPS today because of my poor eyesight, but I'm being offered a Nuke contract if I want it.
Is Nuke life really as bad as I've heard on here? The Nuke recruiters who approached me in the liaison office said it's a great life after you get through the school.
Military doesn't seem like such a bad life if you decide it's what you want to do until you retire.
I think I'm interested in turning military into a career.
What are the downsides to being a career officer?
does anyone know of an ASVAB practice website that gives you individual scores of each category like CL, CO, EL, GT, GM, ST, SC, MM etc?
pic related is all i got from the test i just took. 135 questions.
I had a problem with this. My drill instructor was funny as fuck. (I found out later he actually did stand-up comedy on the side.)
Getting over it happens on its own. You gradually learn to mentally compartmentalize. If there's any skill you learn in boot camp, that's it.
i think he's just worried he'll accidentally laugh and the insturctors will shit on him i think
i too am nervous about, especially because i tend to find a lot of things funny in situations when i shouldnt be laughing
I can tell you that if you're a laugher, you're going to laugh. The hats will go apeshit on you and you will laugh some more. You laugh naturally as a stress response, right?
The Marines has seen this all before. You'll laugh, you'll get screamed at and, eventually, you'll learn to keep a straight face.
Like I said, I was a laugher. At one point, I was given a red rubber clown nose to wear. I was never to take it off. I was to keep it clean. It was now an element of inspection for me. Had to wear that fucker for two weeks until I learned to stop laughing.
Just keep reminding yourself:
>the DIs are not sadists, they are teachers.
>You are here to learn
Fresh OC since I saw what edition this thread is
>You laugh naturally as a stress response, right?
you nailed it
well hopefully i'll be able to keep a straight face, if not i'll just deal with the consequences i guess, hopefully they dont affect the rest of the guys
>Like I said, I was a laugher. At one point, I was given a red rubber clown nose to wear. I was never to take it off. I was to keep it clean. It was now an element of inspection for me. Had to wear that fucker for two weeks until I learned to stop laughing.
That is some comedy gold right there
>The Nuke recruiters who approached me in the liaison office said it's a great life after you get through the school.
Depends on what you value in life. Nukes get less free time than everyone else, but they get more pay and tend to be set up well for post-military life.
why do people click on threads they're not interested in, then shitpost in it?
there's a fictitious weapons thread
a star wars thread
a middle east thread
go shit up one of those. if you can't understand why a military thread is on /k/, i cant help you, you're too far gone.
have you ever even been to /adv/?
How long have you been in? "Imma do 20 years!" is a pretty common sentiment for people looking to join, but there's a good reason that 80%+ never make it.
An officer's pension is a pretty solid middle-class income that lets you retire in your 40s and never work again if you don't want to. You can also segue into a second career and comfortably stack up a few million for a lavish retirement or to give to your family when you die.
The downside is that you're going to give the military all of your best years. You could also put in 12+ years and get forced out since you weren't competitive enough, that's a pretty scary concept to a lot of people.
Depending on the field, you might also make less than your civilian counterparts, but this is vastly overblown. Unless you're a financial wizard or an experienced programmer, you won't easily beat military officer compensation.
Your height will not be a problem, but work on your strength. Weaklings can have trouble on the Abrams.
Being a loader means having to lift and maneuver unwieldy 50 pound weights using basically only your arms. If you're not strong enough for that, you can't do anything else on the tank. Everyone in a tank crew is expected to be able to perform every task.
You'll have to be able to pull your incapacitated fellow crewmen out of the tank.
Tow bars are heavy. You'll have to be able to lift them
All the parts of a tank are heavy and you'll be expected to be able to lift them when servicing the tank.
Not just longer shifts, but staying behind to work while other people get to hang out in foreign ports and the like. You definitely earn that extra pay by putting in extra hours.
Went for a flight this morning. It was awesome, but the de-ice took forever cause of 5-7mm of frost on literally everything. I've given up on my dreams of flying for the military; civilian flying will do for me. Still one of the best jobs I could think of, even if it doesn't pay well at first
Actually, the loader's job is less strength dependent than technique. If you get enough practice and get into a good rhythm, it doesn't require brute strength.
The heaviest round, if I remember correctly, is the M830 HEAT, which is around 24kg.
This thread has been a regular general for months. It's not random dudes constantly making threads asking for advice. This general exists because otherwise there would be half a dozen short, useless threads of this every day instead of a single useful containment general.
>What are military intel jobs like?
It depends on the specific MOS.
All Source Analysis is going to give you less opportunities to do cool guy stuff (if your definition of cool guy stuff is kicking doors), but you'll gain a greater understanding of the entirety of the intelligence process, and intelligence as a field. You'll also work on predictive analysis, use tools like analysis of competing hypotheses, linchpin analysis etc.
Collector MOS like HUMINT collector (sometimes CI but they are special because they are credentialed agents of the US government and handle a wide variety of tasks) will have you pretty much just doing that one thing.
Other analyst positions like SIGINT and IMINT/GEOINT will have you just doing that one thing, which is analyzing a specific range of information collected in a specific way.
There are opportunities like Great Skill, going to the Ranger Regiment STB, or getting attached to an SF Group, but like the other anon said: if you don't like doing your job when you're not doing "cool guy stuff" then don't do it.
Good luck with that, sister!
When I finish my associate's degree I'm going to enlist in the Marines as infantry. My older brothers were both infantrymen and I've been working out with them to get me ready. (Pullups are hard, but once you can do that first one, the rest are a lot easier. I'm up to five now.)
Something I read that really stuck with me. I can't remember where I read it, though:
>I am not in favor of women in combat, but I am most certainly in favor of Marines in combat and anyone can be a Marine with proper training.
As long as the performance standards aren't relaxed, anyone has any right to any MOS. That's how USSOCOM is approaching it.
i dont give a shit about that
im talking about here on 4chan
there are no girls on 4chan
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
i dont know senpai, i think they should do women only platoons and shit
also pic related
not even "her" (i doubt its really a chick, probably just a troll looking for (You)s), but your lame as fuck rk9 frog reee shit is probably just as cancerous as "i'm a grill btw," if not worse
I read that article. She brought up some good points.
I noted that the writer was 5'6", 130lbs. I served in the Infantry with guys considerably smaller than that. Mexicans who were like 5'2". The minimum allowable size for a male Marine is 4'10", 91lbs.
We obviously won't know until there's a good amount of concrete on-battlefield data on how women do as infantrywomen.
I will say this, though: Take a male and a female and give them equal results. Lets say 3 pullups, 80 situps and a 24-minute 3-miler. That guy is going to be one of the sloppiest, least motivated fucks in the platoon. The woman who gets that score will be comparatively fitter and likely be considerably more motivated and competent.
All things being equal, I would rather have someone who is motivated and competent.
I think the Corps should be happy and take this order to integrate as an opportunity to weed out the fuckers who are skating and replace them with Marines who, while they may not be physically stronger, are certainly more motivated.
If you've never done pullups before, the hard part is just figuring out which muscles you're supposed to be using or how far apart your hands should be.
I started out with a chair under the pullup bar. Start doing pullups and give yourself a little boost with your feet.
After a while of doing that, and getting good arm and back workouts all the while, get rid of the box.
Once you can do one and you get the motion right, you can start doing more and more.
>How bad of an idea is enlisting as a 68W in order to pad resume and pay for med school?
Awful idea. 68Ws are slightly lower than EMTs in terms of medical knowledge. Though, that said, time spent as a 68W might turn you off the idea of becoming a doctor altogether.
A pa is as the name implies a Physician's assistant. But, they do a lot more than that are are quite autonomous. A PA is a health care provider, and can really work in ANY health care field. Pay is very good, easily 100k+ starting salary.
Becoming a PA is VERY competitive, many schools look for candidates with THOUSANDS of hours of direct patient contact experience. It's on par with medical school admissions, because slots are much more limited, even moreso than med school.
That is a good idea, in theory, but now you're kind of planning around passing something that, historically, has a 70% failure rate.
In the probable event that you fail RASP (7 in 10 chance) you will be stuck as a plain-Jane 68W. Also, 68Ws are not all combat medics. Very, very few of them are, in fact. Most of them work in hospital settings, doing banal things like patient paperwork.
Also forgot to mention, becoming a PA requires a bachelors, and is usually a 2-year program.
Most schools require prereqs similar to med school prereqs, such as Bio 2, Chem 2, Orgo, Inorgo, stats, microbiology, etc, etc.
Might get chapter 11'd in AIT. crossing my fingers, this life ain't for me. Everyone thinking of joining PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE think long on it. I made the mistake of letting my friend convince me to join and I jumped in way too fast.
Just clarifying. It requires a Bachelors to enter PA school, which is 2 years.
It's the next big thing US healthcare, and as a result it's almost to just as hard to get into as an American med school. Benefits are it's much shorter and you'll be working in your speciality within a year or two after getting your license. Even if you're going into something rockstar like surgery. Meanwhile an MD surgeon will spend 4 years of residency after 4 years of med school to become a legit surgeon.
Also a huge benefit of a PA is being to go into any field, unlike an MD/DO you aren't as "stuck".
As long as someone will hire oyu, you can work in any field. But yes, becoming a PA is extremely competitive.
ja ein Deutsch forum wuerdet gut sein. aber ich bin ein arme Oesterreicher, darf ich bitte auch beim Deutsch forum sein? und ich habe gesehen du hebst auch gewichte auf. wir sind zu zweit!
>Why is tanker an awful job?
Because you won't actually be doing any tanking. It costs too much to take the infrastructure needed to support tanks to places like Afghanistan where there are no tanks but a whole shit ton of anti-tank weaponry.
So you'll ride around in a Bradley or Stryker and/or go on foot patrols, while listening to grunts giggling to themselves about how "cav wants to be like the infantry now".
Compare that to the Thunder Runs in 2003 during the Battle of Baghdad when the 1-64 led the way and a tank kill was something that could actually happen.
I'm just depressed as fuck and have anxiety. Can't sleep for more than 3 hours and I feel like a zombie everyday. I don't like the environment, surrounded by loud obnoxious assholes. It's cold as fuck. I'm lonely and I want to go home. I just can't deal with it anymore. It grew and grew throughout basic and now I'm at AIT, I just can't deal with it anymore. I'm done I'm miserable and this isn't for me. I don't care if you guys make fun of me but I'm being completely honest when I say that I just want out.
Went to mental health place and told them how I feel (see my last lost) and they wanted to do a trial of antidepressants medication to see if I got better or the doc would recommend a chapter. But clearly I haven't so I'm gunna tell him on Tuesday. On top of that I went to another doctor cause my leg was hurting and he thinks I have a stress fraction. So I got that and now I have a cold too. I'm just all fucked up.
A nurse is a 2-year program, a PA has a bachelors, plus a 2 year graduate program. A nurse's responsibilities really end at simple shit like drawing blood, shots, etc. Their responsibilities will depend on where you are. My son's neurologist doesn't do much besides giving authorization, and interpreting charts/etc. his PA honestly does almost everything that involves direct patient care.
In some states a PA can even prescribe medication.
A lot of these posters are underaged faggots who have never served, or are in DEP Why do you think a lot of the good posters like Ricky have almost completely stopped posting?
You need to be court martialed to get a dishonorable I believe.
Well maybe things have changed. Where I did my undergrad plenty of people were walking out of 2 year programs into good jobs.
They said its not a dishonorable. I'm still under ELS (180 Days of starting training) so I qualified for that. The doctor will make the recommendation however it's up to the commander. And since I have been trying this medicine hopefully he sees that I at least put in the effort to TRY something instead of just straight up quitting. I'm praying that he approves it.
Would a 12A be able to attend Ranger or Special Forces selection and serve in an SFG or in Ranger batt?
>I want to operate
>but I also want to be an officer
>but I also want a cool sounding job that isn't just the same pew pew that everyone else is
>but I don't want to be a medic because everyone in /meg/ wants to be a special forces medic
>special forces engineer officer. Yeah. That's what I want to be.
>Then, in like 10 years when I'm done with my career and I won like all the medals, I'll go back on /meg/ and tell all the anons I was a special forces engineer and an officer and they'll all be like "no way" and I'll show them all.
*if you have a degree related to the field in some way
That's what they don't tell you when they get you to sign nuke. Oh yeah 100k+ civilian sector jobs easy money man just do 6 and get out hooyha.
In reality, without a college degree, you aren't going to get shit civilian side. My instructor (about to graduate STS A-school in a few weeks) has a brother who went nuke, did his 6 years, got out, and the best job he could get was a 20-30k job in the civilian sector since he doesn't have an engineering degree.
Nukes don't get out after one stint because they get good civilian jobs. They get out because it's the shittiest life in the military. I've talk to a ton of nukes who straight up said they would give their 100k bonus back if they could just go back in time and not sign a nuke contract. It's pretty much doing 6 years of prison for a taxed-to-shit 100k (actually becomes 60k or so) and I have yet to meet anyone who isn't autistic and says it's worth it.
Also, a lot more people drop from nuke school than they let on. They begged me to go nuke, said only like 3 percent drop out or some bullshit number like that, then I get to sub school and nuke drops are flying in left and right, saying tons of guys drop all the time.
Don't believe the liaison lies.
Not all of the credits you earn in the military really transfer directly into one type of degree.
Nukes might have 70 credits worth, but it isn't 70 credits in one field. For example, they might have some elective credits from boot camp (everyone gets those), maybe some basic engineering credits from nuke school, leadership class credits from rank, oceanography credits for boat-related qualifications, and so on. It isn't exactly 70 credits toward an engineering degree.
Regardless, that asterisk needs to be there. Nuke liaisons tell you it's easy to snag a civilian job immediately after leaving the military and make big bux. In reality, you have to go to college and get an engineering degree after your stint in the military (doing them both at the same time is extremely difficult as a no-free-time nuke), wherein you would be making big bucks fucking regardless with an engineering degree. The military service part becomes nearly irrelevant.
Plus, civilian side nuke shit is just as miserable as military nuke shit. The hours are just as long, and you have to deal with civilian-tier workplace issues. There's really no light at the end of the tunnel for nukes other than a forced smile and watery eyes as you tell people, "A-at least I made a lot of m-money."
Ah okay that makes more sense.
That's kind of fucked up, my recruiter was telling me the same shit.
He also told me about the STA-21 program, that sounded pretty awesome but I'm sure he buttered it up for me.
>Shipping in 9 days
>Haven't heard anything about my clearance
>Can barely run worth a shit
STA-21 is actually a really good deal if you want to commit to being in that long. I'm personally going to stay the enlisted route if I decide to make it a career since I want to be an RDC and ACINT rider later down the road. If you're set on making it a career, do STA-21. It's super competitive right now, but you'd be an idiot to say no if STA-21 was offered to you.
I'm gonna be on my twitch for shits and giggles for an hour or two. Like I said earlier, I'm late in the SECF pipeline so I don't have sea stories or shit like that, but if you wanna swing through and ask questions about boot camp or the submarine pipeline, feel free to swing through. I went through boot about a year ago, more recent than the salty guys so I'm a little more updated. They change a lot pretty frequently though, they were trying out the iPad thing when I was finishing up, ended up being a canned program.
mavericksts on twitch.
Yeah, I should have mentioned (with a degree), it was a given in my head. Get out, use your GI Bill and after nuke school regular college will seem like a breeze.
Some people do actually want to work in that field. There are people who work long, stressful hours and enjoy their job (see: doctors).
Here's the thing: Nukes aren't the only job that gets a lot of applicable civilian skills or college credits. CTNs also get a ton of college credits and training in an extremely high demand civilian field...but CTN is one of the cushiest fields in the entire military while Nuke is one of the least cushy.
If you want to set yourself up for civilian life, there's choices that are just as good as Nuke without being as soul-destroying.
im studying civil engineering right now and have some computer certifications (CompTIA A+, CCNA, CCNA security) and am learning how to wrench on cars.
i was trying to eithe rbe a 12d or something in the engineering corps
i understand that there is a formula, but the online test i took did not give me individual section scores of the categories like WK, PC, MK, AR etc. it just gave me a total percentage score of correct/total. see >>28564834
13F back again. I just bought this to make myself feel better. Might be a while before the chaptering paperwork is finished so I figured I'd occupy myself with this. Now I just gotta wait for my dad to ship my ps4
Just a heads up.. if your recruiter tells you about the sweet college credits your military training will get you. NO college is obligated to take ANY of them. They might take 1, they might take 15, or maybe even nine, it's up to them entirely. Do not rely on them.
No college worth its salt is going to take a very large amount of credits for your military training.
Hope you bought Bloodborne along with it :^)
Very few jobs are as cool as their title would suggest:
Mostly spent in hospitals filing paperwork
Manager, mostly paperwork
Mall security guard
"OK, if I treat your brother Ahmed's infected toe, will you promise not to mortar the base for three weeks? What if I throw in a Toyota Hilux and three goats?"
get an asvab book (i recommend Kaplan)
it breaks down all the sections, tells you how to interpret your line scores, and guarantees a great score. the book is way harder than the real test.
>.3% fun flying
is this true?
this sounds like it would be true.
/k/orpsman friend deployed with marines has a few months of action and then seemingly years of putzing around doing paperwork. at least that's what his facebook feed suggests
more like dumb dumb frogposter
this sounds lame as fuck, but i was worried about the percentile thing like the anon earlier, so i made my buddies take the practice test too. we all sat down, timed it correctly, added up the scores, then averaged it out to get our "actual" scores. it wasn't 6000, but 5 was good enough
Yup. Nearly all of military life is astoundingly boring and the amount of moronic bureaucracy is just staggering.
On top of that, if you have a cool job, there's no guarantee that your commanding officer will know how to best apply your skills.
In the Marines, it doesn't matter what you do, you will be used as a basic grunt.
When I was in the Corps, I started as Machine Gunner and later became a Scout Sniper.
The tour I did as a Machine Gunner was EXACTLY like the tour I did as a Scout Sniper because the officers didn't use their sniper platoons as God intended.
Honestly man just study shit you know you suck at. For me it was the mechanical stuff, I didn't know any of that shit. Just freshen up on arithmetic and shit, and you will be absolutely fine.
>Sit around all day, getting bitched at for something one of your subordinates did
>Barely make your minimums for flying, if you do at all
>Sit around all day, do paper work related to flying
>Beg for flight hours, barely make minimums like everyone else
Most pilots spend more time officering than flying. I believe WO pilots (just Army helicopter pilots as far as I know) spend a larger amount of time flying and have fewer bureaucratic duties.
You need a minimum of 4 flight hours per month and at least 1 hour of NVG flight in 60 days.
>go to flight school
be a navigator
>I'mma fly a fighter jet
I'm flying a C-130
>I'mma fly all over the world
I only fly transport runs in the continental US
>I'm a fighter pilot, I'm going to shoot down an enemy fighter
The US does not fight countries with Air Forces
>I'm a fighter pilot, modern day knight of the sky, master of the heavens
The mechanics know my plane better than I do and they tell me what I can and cannot do with it.
Am I good looking /k/? I've gotten a little tubby lately.
sure it is. Just replace the volleyball scene with beer pong, make it even gayer, and have everyone without a shirt on look like a wad of bubble gum that's been rolled around a barbershop floor.
New W1s to the company
>Fridge fund bitches, gets yelled at if the fridge isn't stocked at all times
W2s and above:
>Gets lots of hours training new pilots and doing check rides with the old ones
>90% of hours are traffic patterns
>Assload of paper work when not flying
>Tries to run maintenance program over the NCOs' heads
>Gets a little more hours, 90% of extra hours is traffic patterns or circles in the maintenance test flight area trying to break the helicopter
>Stays late every day with the crewchiefs trying to get helicopters fixed
>Locked in a secure room all day
>Face buried in a computer screen making sure the map data on the helicopter memory cards are up to date
>Does all the secret squirrel SPINS crap
>Does all the threat assessments
>Gets off at 1500 every day
>Super fuddie duddie
>No fun allowed
>Stick in the mud
>Does investigation if anything bad happens
>Remains of a bird that hit the hoist hook in flight
Colleges with articulation agreements at military training posts are obligated to take them. That's what an articulation agreement is.
That's pretty much limited to a small range of very academic MOSs though.
>Submariner, literally any job
Do repetitive busywork for months on end.
Eat powdered eggs.
Breathe the farts of your crew for months on end.
Sleep in the farts of the guys you hotbunk with.
You go through what is basically a two-year infosec academy in six months, then go work for cybercom. With a TS and X number of years of resume experience as a "SOC analyst", or "enterprise penetration tester" you'll basically get poached for six-figure jobs as soon as you're ready to leave the service. Netsec/infosec is booming right now.
>Their MCAT prep course starts at $2000
>I'm flying a C-130
So? That sounds fucking awesome too.
>I only fly transport runs in the continental US
Cool, I'll get to see more than the two states I've been to
>the mechanics know my plane better than I do
Personally, I would learn every inch of my plane, but then again I'm an aerospace major
I get where you're coming from, but I still want to be a pilot, no matter what I'm flying, or how much flying that actually entails.
>Personally, I would learn every inch of my plane
lolno. Here's how that would go:
>Do you have a mission scheduled? No? What are you doing near that aircraft? What business do you have near that aircraft?
I want to learn more about it
>That's all classified above your pay grade
Two days later your flight status is revoked and you're called in by your commanding officer. While he's yelling at you, you notice the two guys who aren't wearing any uniforms, who don't say anything and who your CO has introduced you to.
Two days later, you are transferred to McMurdo Station and for the rest of your career, any attempt to leave Antarctica is "lost in a paperwork shuffle"
You don't need to know the two gentlemen. They're not even here.
You casually mentioned them to your roommate. Three hours later he's gone and when you ask anyone if they've seen him around, they have no idea who you're talking about.
>Roommate, sir? You've never had a roommate, sir.
A clearance isn't a blanket blessing to learn any sort of classified information you want. It's a certification of a certain level of trust. Along with your clearance, you also need to have "need to know" a given bit of information. Pilots need to know everything about operating their aircraft, but they do not need to know absolutely everything about the aircraft.
This is exactly why pilots are being replaced with drones as fast as possible. As soon as we can get those drones mostly autonomous, we'll do that too.
Pilot jobs are about as safe as truck driver jobs in the long run. Human operators are a necessary liability that will be removed at the earliest convenience.
Seamanship is a hard sell these days.
The Marines and the Army sell the promise of being oper8tor. The Air Force sells the promise of being a pilot.
The Navy sells the promise of...being a very small part of a very large crew.
Potential for endless, unappreciated, backbreaking, mind-numbing labor: high
Potential for personal glory: effectively zero
Now why would millennial kids raised on constant praise and trophies want that?
Bullshit. The Army shows people running around with rifles and body armor, but the average soldier works in an office.
>Your daily reminder that 80% of Army jobs in 2016 never get anywhere near a fight.
Because everyone else is trying to make them.
2040 is 24 years away. That's like one generation of airframe development. It is very possible that we're seeing the last airframes intended for pilots being developed right now.
Your kids might be able to fly fighter jets. Your grand kids? Maybe not.
most definitely not a meme. The high-school and college-age kids right now were raised considerably differently than folks in their 30s.
The idea of failure has effectively been abolished, the thinking in education circles being that failure discourages the child from further attempts. If, instead, you praise the effort, the child will want to garner more praise by doing even better.
What we are now coming to realize is that they are simply praise junkies who don't see anything as worth doing unless it comes with a prize at the end (and in the very short term).
The draw of military life for them is the medals. THEY go on the super-secret missions, THEY kill the end-boss, THEY get a medal and everyone around them will see their achievements like it's their Xbox profile.
What does life as an electrician's mate second-class offer them?
It isn't that bad in the Army. I could maybe see that with some secret squirrel black plane, but that'll never happen in the Army.
In fact, you're encouraged to know the ins and outs of the aircraft, considered a shitbag if you don't. If an IP asks you what a certain component does and where it is and you don't know, you'll likely get grounded until you fix yourself. I can't count on ten hands the number of times that I've seen pilots on top of a helicopter with a manual studying, putting eyes and hands on the parts its talking about.
>anyone has any right to any MOS.
No, they don't.
No one has a right to any MOS, and no one has the right to enlist or commission. Or every kid who thought he could be an operator after playing Cowadoody would be filling up all the "Needs of ..." MOS in each branch.
>A lot of these posters are underaged faggots who have never served, or are in DEP
I've been out for about 3 years now, currently using my chapter 33.
It is objectively better for him to stick it out until his ETS.
Not only because TRADOC is garbage, and so are most of the recruits, and things will likely get better once you're out of there, but because there are more benefits to sticking it out than getting chaptered.
This desu senpai.
Most schools might not even take the credits at all.
I took my AARTS (Joint Service Transcript now) to community college when I was getting my gen eds/AA out of the way, and I got two PE credits. They looked at the credits I got for my MI MOS and said "fuck off".
The military regularly discriminates against people for countless numbers of reasons. Does that sound like a right to you? It's a privilege, and can be revoked at any time really.
/meg/ threads are cancer. If you would like legitimate advice, don't ask your questions in them.
Unlike what everyone has said (wrongly) so far; Yes, there are 12A slots in the 75th.
Candidates branches are immaterial for the purpose of SFAS. It doesn't matter where you come from.
I'm not sure if it's still required or not, but non-combat arms (or Ranger tabbed) officers were previously required to attend a short course/refresher on combat leadership/small unit tactics prior to attending SFAS.
>That's pretty much limited to a small range of very academic MOSs though.
And a very small range of schools.
Cochise college outside of Fort Huachuca gives credit hours for intel AIT. For ~$100 I got all of the non gen ed credit hours for an Associate's of Applied Science in Intelligence Operations.
I need to send in my gen eds so I can finish that out now that I think about it.
>Any citizen has the right to serve his or her country in its defense
In what capacity depends on that person's capabilities.
And as far as how USSOCOM is approaching it, women are still barred from SOF aside from being attached as enablers - even that is something that is extremely limited in its scope and practice.
It doesn't matter what quotes from this senator or that senator you've read, there are no female Rangers. There are no female Special Forces soldiers. There are no female SEALs, PJs, CSOs, etc.
And they're barred from even attending selection.
>A bunch of shit made up by someone who thinks their job as a line cook makes them an expert on an entire generation of people below 30.
I'm using my Chapter 33 right now to go to school, and most of these kids are actually worried about what they are going to do after school, they are aware that they are likely a shitty final away from losing financial aid (inb4 loans, scholarships are financial aid too and subject to performance qualifications), and despite this weird meme that millennials are flooding into liberal arts and social sciences programs, I've met just as many that are in STEM programs. And many work as well as go to school.
The only reason I'm not working while I go to school is because of the GI Bill. My younger girlfriend paid her way through school with Bright Futures (performance based scholarship) and working 80 hours a week.
The anon you quoted, I don't know if they are still doing it, but after you get out of Huachuca and to your unit look into MASINT (Measurements and Signatures INT) and FMV (Full Motion Video).
I know a few GEOINT guys who managed to go to those courses, and they are good skills to have.
DESU SENPAI, try to get as many skills as you can related to your MOS. Cool Guy stuff is cool, and fun, I love shooting guns and throwing grenades and shit, but keep up with the skills that are important for your MOS.
You won't understand it now, but intelligence collections and analysis is probably the most important thing you will ever do with your life, and truly is the "first line" for national security. That goes for collectors and analysts, military and civilian. You might think you understand this now, but I really didn't when I was in Huachuca. I was 19 and thought "fugg I want to shoot stuff and kick doors, schucks". Then I did a few MOS related courses, deployed to two different commands doing two significantly different missions, and realized not only was I good at it and enjoyed it, but it's super fucking important.
The state is under not obligation to allow you to serve in the Regular Army, Active Reserve, or National Guard.
Re-read the last sentence of my post.
Shit man, I'm sorry to hear that. I was the 35 Guy making up new names every time I came into the channel and generally dicking around.
I still stand by my opinion that it's objectively better for you to stick it out than get chaptered.
>mfw tutoring some applicants/poolees for ASVAB
You're so right, holy shit.
>I got a Master's in teaching special ed students.
You're like an expert Mark.
I'm turning in my SF86 tuesday for 35G, anything i should know? what to look out for? things you should have done/would have done differently? what are your plans now that you're out?
Will a foreclosure disqualify me from enlisting, I know it fucks me on security clearances but what about the shittiest mos imaginable
>work same job for 9 years
>factory closes its doors and gives me 60 days notice
>can't find a job making $32/hr
Been hearing the same shit for years.
>inb4 someone brings up females going to RS
A) It has nothing to do with Regiment
B) They were pushed through on political pressure (TRADOC doesn't have the luxury of saying no)
C) There's a reason that there's been no further news of female applicants/female graduates.
Absolutely not. A large part of the reason I joined the military was to pursue skills in career fields I was interested in.
Also, people are more motivated to keep and excel at a job they actually want to do.
I probably wouldn't. Even as someone who doesn't have some high-tier role in mind anyways, the prospect of potentially spending 4 years as a laundry specialist is enough to scare me off.
>I'm turning in my SF86 tuesday for 35G, anything i should know?
Don't knowingly lie about anything. And if you put something down that, outside of your immediate knowledge, is untrue (like if a former employer gives a different story about your end of employment), don't panic. The investigators exist to fix those discrepancies.
>Have job in senior year of high school
>Have disagreement with manager of whether I should be waiting tables or sitting in AP Bio at 2:30
>He never says I'm fired, but says I was no call no show for two days I wasn't scheduled for
>Walk out put this on SF86
>They tell investigators I was fired
>Explain to investigator at Huachuca
>what to look out for? things you should have done/would have done differently?
The only thing I would have done differently was make them give me the 35L (Counter Intelligence Agent) contract I was originally going to MEPS for. But I don't regret being a 35F at all and I think it gave me a great appreciation for intelligence as a whole.
>what are your plans now that you're out?
I'm going into my last year of school on the Chapter 33 (Post 9/11). My major is International and Global Studies (a lot of foreign area studies and specific topics like Politics of International Terrorism, Chinese Politics taught by former Chinese diplomat, and an additional 2 year language requirement) and a minor in Intelligence in National Security (new minor at this school because of DIA grant to set up an Intelligence Community Center of Academic Excellence) which is only available at 10-20 schools in the US.
>Why is MEG cancer Rick?
99.9% of the information in them is posted by people who have no idea what they're talking about, and it's passed off as fact.
>12A? No. Of course not. You'd be an officer leading engineers.
Stuff like this.
>99.9% of the information in them is posted by people who have no idea what they're talking about, and it's passed off as fact.
That figure seems low.
These threads exist for entertainment purposes only and letting guys who've never served and never will served pretend to be Army Rangers for gullible kids.
Nein. I would never do something that I wouldn't think could give me skills to at least start the path of getting a good job when I get out. Why would they do that? Just going to get a bunch of kids in things they absolutely hate and will do a piss poor job for their enlistment/until they get kicked out.
99.9% of /meg/ is
>I'm gonna be a Ranger/SEAL/SF
>No you're not
>fuck you you can't tell me what I can't do
>I'm a Ranger/SEAL/SF/literally anything in the Armed Forces, AMA
>These threads exist for entertainment purposes only and letting guys who've never served and never will served pretend to be Army Rangers for gullible kids.
Well, there's a huge vacuum now that the majority of the old military trip crowd are gone. I literally never see any of them anymore, even then I mostly just lurk when I'm bored.
But, I'm gonna go stick my dick in a hot 19 year old - ya'll take it easy.
Everyone has hero pics of some sort; I post plenty of shit. That's really the only reason I trip, to avoid the headache of re-vetting over, and over, and over.
But like I was saying, 19 year old snatch is waiting for me. Later gators
Basically. I don't think it's feasible to give everyone the dream job they want, or even desirable. Picture 500,000 18 year old neckbeards in Ranger School (picture it, it will make your night) and see what that gets us.
That is literally backwards. If your country needs you, it is not just your right but your legal requirement to be in the military. The military is not some fancy job that you have the privilege of joining. Literally anybody with all 4 limbs and a 60+ IQ can be in the military.
> The military is not some fancy job that you have the privilege of joining. Literally anybody with all 4 limbs and a 60+ IQ can be in the military.
Dunno what military you're talking about, but the US military has relatively high standards as far as entry-level jobs go. Most jobs give much less of a shit about your criminal/health records, fitness, debt, mental aptitude, etc.
I think the mistake you're making is that you think the military needs people badly, when really it needs far less people than actually want to join. That's why they can afford to have standards.
>Literally anybody with all 4 limbs and a 60+ IQ can be in the military.
That must be why they don't turn away shit loads of people at MEPS, and anyone has the right to any MOS regardless of ASVAB scores.
Even the Army doesn't just give out jobs. They do aptitude tests, then let you pick a training pipeline to attempt. It's absolutely feasible and has been for decades. Want less people in a certain field? Just increase the standards or make the training more difficult.
your haircut makes me want to smack the shit out of you. youre probably a decent person to hang out with though. so if we became friends id let you know that i dont like your haircut. also, your shirt has a lot going on. is this what (you) wanted?
Fuck. Getting yelled at isn't anything new to me, I worked construction for a few years and pouring concrete turned my foreman into a raging DS, but I am terrible at controlling when I laugh/smile. Just thinking about funny shit that's happened in my past or remembering a hilarious movie scene makes me giggle like a girl irl. It's put me into some pretty awkward moments.