I love dogs, had dogs growing up, enjoy them a lot, but they are massive security risks. Especially pitbulls and such. They are killers.
What are the best solutions, other than guns, for defending against dogs? Does human pepper spray work on dogs or should I get special dog pepper spray? I wear steel toed boots so I think a kick would really mess a dog up. Are knives useful?
tl;dr how to fight a dog?
Never turn your back and run, always maintain a defense posture at a aggressive dog. If he charges you, maintain posture and prepare for the fight.
Protect your vitals, a dog bite is only serious if it penetrates an artery.
Fight by kicking, but insure you do not lose balance, do it swiftly and hard, aim for the underside of the dog.
Try your best to gain control of the dog, use your weight to get on top of the dog. Once you pin you have complete control, as they are very weak to throwing you off of them. Once in this position a knife would be an easy solution to ending the threat by slicing the throat or if long enough blade putting it through the rib cage to the heart.
Regular OC spray will work fine.
I've been charged by a dog once while walking my smaller dog. One swift kick to the rib area cause the dog much pain and it ran off.
You can kill it once it is pinned like this or you can actually force it to view you as the alpha by keeping it pinned until it calms down and accepts the fact that you are the superior.
A fixed blade knife is effective. You'll probably get chewed up a bit, but a good stab to the neck will take any dog out. Remember to jab the knife into the middle of the neck and punch it forward, or pull it back if the dog is on top of you. Don't try and get fancy with it.
>dog trying to kill you
>let me just lay on it until it obeys me
I fucked up a pit bull mix that got into my backyard with an aluminum baseball bat once. Didn't kill it, but I definitely fractured its skull and took out one of its eyes before it high-tailed it out of there.
May as well just kill it to be honest. Any dog that attacks someone (outside of properly trained police, military or guard dogs doing what they're supposed to do) is too dangerous to live.
Just remember that it's the fault of the owner, not you.
>Not aggressively cuddling an aggressive dog.
>Not braking its will so it becomes submissive to you.
>No feeding it jerky and fucking it.
Dug through my fence into my backyard while I was at work, but it was too stupid to get back out. I went back to let it out of the gate, but it immediately rushed me. I got a bat out of my garage, went back to the gate, opened it, and when it came back at me a second time I bashed him in the head as hard as I could twice. One blow to the left side of the head, and the other just above its left eye. It's eye actually popped out a bit after the second hit which is how I know it lost that eye at least.
I still have the bat. It's an old 34" Louisville slugger that belonged to my dad. Great for beating things. I also use it to kill moles my dog digs up.
I'm right handed, I have no idea where the dog was from, I hadn't seen it before. After I hit it, it ran a bit, stopped and looked back at me, but I yelled at it and shook the bat a bit and it ran and kept running. No idea what became of it afterwards.
It had a collar though, so it must have belonged to someone. I've got neighbors relatively close, but I don't live in a very built up area. No neighbors saw it, or if they did, they never said anything about it.
>yell at a guy
>he mounts me
>do it to another guy
>keep getting mounted
My friend's dog was attacked by a pitbull. It latched on to it's neck and took 15 minutes of kicking to dislodge it. Kicking it in the balls repeatedly finally did the trick. Fortunately, my friend's dog had a thick neck, so he just played defense until it was over.
But tl;dr don't rely on kicking to deter pits, once they latch on they aren't letting go
Spray will work, supposedly its more effective on dogs and certain animals as they have more sensitive noses. I wouldn't trust something marketed as dog spray, because like bear spray its probably less potent.
Don't turn your back and don't run unless you have a good distance and can make it over a fence or up a high enough tree real quick. Face it, yell at it (don't waste too much breath) and be aggressive. Dogs are very good at reading body language, this is how they communicate. If they feel they have the upper hand they'll fight more fearlessly, and they're already pretty fucking fearless. Kick the shit out of it, use your legs to maintain distance. Don't let it lock onto you, if it does lock onto a limb go in for the kill. Its a grappling game from here, at all times its of utmost importance to protect your fucking neck and head/face. You want to get on top of it, use your weight, dogs arms/legs are weak as shit (I mean they can jump but certainly not hold a human up like a horse). Get on that fuckers back and immediately rip its eyes to shreds. This must be your first move once you're close enough to do it, its hella deterrent and the dog won't be able to see you if it does get back in control.
Once you pop its eyes like grapes you break its legs, this is second most important because again if it regains control its less effective in its future attacks if it can even move at all. Grab the front legs and pull back like you're arresting him, snap the shit out of its bones in any direction they aren't supposed to go. Don't let that fags crying deter you, it committed itself to killing you and you must do the same or face the consequences of showing mercy to a merciless beast.
I use my SLR. Killed my neighbors pits in July because he didn't take my warnings seriously. He never locked his dogs up and had no fence so they would run free if they wanted and once in a while they did. A few times my kids were out when the dog was loose but they managed to get inside. I told him a few times and them one day I was sitting there watching the news and I heard screaming and see my daughter sprinting to the house and knew immediately it was the neighbors dogs. Rifle was in the kitchen so as soon as she made it to the deck I had rounds going off towards the dogs. I shot them both and the neighbor called the sheriff, which made the neighbor clean his dogs from my property. Fuck dogs and their retarded owners, carry all the time. I don't think I would want any less than a gun.
Now it's pinned down, no doubt struggling, with bleeding eyes and broken front legs, you go for its weakness. Like humans they're weakest point is the neck and head. If you have a knife, use it. If you have only your hands, pick its head up and slam it into the ground using your weight but maintaining control. This won't be as effective on grass or dirt. You'll have to struggle with breaking its neck and I don't know how hard that is on a dog, its super easy on a human though trust me. If the thing seems fucked up and tired enough, and its legs are sufficiently mangled, you can try to run from there. Check yourself for bleeding and assess your level of consciousness. You should be calling for help about as much as your breath allows, save it for the valsalva maneuver which makes your movements twice as strong (this is why dogs growl and weightlifters grunt).
That's just one method, but believe me it's pretty ideal considering you're able to get on its back and maintain control without getting bit. Never let the fucker get close to your neck or head, you'll be overwhelmed in seconds and unable to continue. If the fucker can jump that high you'd best offer your arm, take it to the ground and push toward its bite, they tend to release the bite a bit as a reflex. If you end up on top and it rolls onto its back choke it, if you can't maintain control (its still able to bite you) go all in and shove your arm as far down its throat as possible until it suffocates. You can use your dick too if its big enough.
Cont one more time
Obviously avoidance is a far better option. Don't confuse this with running because running IS NOT. Some tiny ass dogs can outrun humans, shit Olympic sprinters go about as fast as the average housecat. We bank on tools, intellect, and endurance to some extent. Obviously if you have the right tools (gun, spray) you're fine. If you don't, quick thinking is your best friend. Make a quick getaway, know it's weaknesses and exploit them, call for help, throw dirt in its eyes, etc.
One thing about dogs and this goes back to the reading of body language. They communicate like this. If you seem like a threat they'll treat you like one. If you posture or act aggressive (in sound as well) they'll think you're a threat. This is why they hate black people, they always act brash and aggressive with quick movements and shit.
Working in security for apt. complexes I've come across a lot of irresponsible retards who think its okay to let their shitbulls run around freely. When a piece of shitbull comes running up to me if I stop and posture the dogs sees it as a challenge, if I act scared it sees me as a beta it can slap around. If I act calm and normal, even friendly by whistling or talking in a calm mid pitch tone it'll just come up to me and sniff me then run away. This is their language, if I step back like I'm going to kick it in the face its like some guy coming up to me to say hi and I yell HEY FUCK YOU ASSHOLE. Only with dogs they'll fight you for this. They're animals, like niggers. Around them never relax but know when to be assertive and even vicious if need be.
>steel toed boots
Yes, if you give a dog a swift kick in the ribs with steel capped boots, you will fucking destroy it. Why is this a question? You are literally applying the same force, with something harder to back it up.
It's like asking if brass knuckles will help your punches hurt more. It's a dumb question, but yes. If you put steel toed boots on and give a dog a kick in the ribs, it will hurt more than a normal pair of boots.
YAH GOTTA GET ON TOP OF IT AND JAM YOUR THUMB UP ITS BUTTOLE JUST LIKE A CROC
What the fuck kind of knife are you using?
You just grab the knife from your pocket
Thumb goes on thumb hole/knob
Rest of hand goes on handle
As you pull the knife out you slip your thumb up
Opening the knife as you move it in front of you
It takes like a half a second.
I had a dog about to attack me one day in my apt complex. Luckily my friend came out his apt and the dog left. I started carrying a kershaw after that for the future so i can just stab the dog if it tries to attack me. It's always good to be armed in some way, you never know what can happen
>massive security risks
I think you mean advantages
>they kill people
Nigger. Please. You're on a weapons board.
That said, half of the reason I want pit bulls and rottweilers at my house is because they have been known to kill whomever is infringing upon my territory AND take care of my kids' lives as if they were more precious than the dog's life.
These threads make me so sad. I live in a pretty quiet rural area, and all the pit bulls I've ever seen have always been total sweethearts. It's so fucked to think of them as being like they are I stories like >>28552350
Is it because of bad owners?
Most always bad owners though sometimes (rarely and this is backed by redneck logic) you get a dog that is just a stubborn/fighty bastard. Don't know why, but their sole purpose is to fuck other dogs/peoples shit up for no reason whatsoever.
Great chart, what is it supposed to be?
Number of times the Media uses the name as a buzzword per report?
>Still saying pitbull
>literally no pitbull breed
>yfw pitbull is a shitty made up term like assault weapon
>yfw there are at least 3 or 4 if not more "pitbull" breeds
>Tfw when you live in a quiet 4000 person farm Town and stray pitbulls come up to you at night just because they want someone to pet them.
The only thing they really do is scare the fuck out of you when it comes up to you at night. But they always just hunch over, and start wagging their tail.
pepper spray will fuck up any dog.
the unarmed option is jam your fist down it's fucking throat when it tries to bite you, then kick the shit out of it
the knife option is the same as unarmed, but instead of kicking it you stab it in the fucking neck and saw or stab it between the ribs a few times.
they need to make a "bicycle gun" law to let people carry NAA derringers and shit to scare/kill dogs.
>Is it because of bad owners?
niggers anon. niggers. Don't matter the color on the outside, it's niggers.
when you buy a pitbull and literally just chain it to a post in your backyard and feed it every other day, you make a dog that has to be fucking killed once it breaks the chain. You can rehabilitate a dog like that, but you're not thinking about that when it's charging down on you.
this. I've seen some goddamn beautiful short haired solid grey pitbulls that are built like linebackers. If you raise it as a pet/ inside dog with a fenced backyard it's a goddamn pet. The idea that pitts are baby killing assault dogs is because niggers "train" them as "guard dogs" by under feeding them, beating them, and leaving them chained to a post all day. Then little suzy walking through the ghetto gets mauled when it slips the chain.
should go nicely with "bicycle oil slick", "bicycle smoke screen" and "bicycle ejector seat"
>not owning a .32 rimfire micro pistol for shooting stray dogs from your bicycle.
It's easier to kill the dogs. Pit Bulls LOVE rat poison in those green beef-jerky slices like they sell.
It costs like $27 and 20 minutes to rid an entire neighborhood of dogs from inside your car or on your bike.
>being a histrionic housewife with too much free time
>muh baby killing assault dogs!
go be retarded somewhere else mildred, banning pit bulls won't make your husband sexually attracted to you again.
>nigguh, I need pit bulls to protect my chilluns
>they good dogs that dindu nuffin
>they just playin, homie
The sad part is, you won't change your mind until the dog decides to chow down on your sprogs.
>he said as he ignored the 5 bites a day from his spastic Chihuahua as he sipped a chai latte and watched cuck porn
give a nigger a $10,000 pure bred greyhound puppy and it'll bite kids too after being beaten daily, fed weekly, and chained to post for it's entire natural life.
The difference being, the black person only needs an education and a better neighbourhood to reform; the pit bull is forever a risk. You can train people far more effectively than you can train beasts, domesticated or otherwise.
There are a relatively disproportionate number of dindu nuffin "angel" dogs that have mauled their owner or their owner's kids in wealthy neighbourhoods. No amount of good care will remove centuries of killer breeding from an animal, while human beings can overcome their genetics.
What you sound like:
>for a million dollars your little faggot dog couldn't be a man sucking dicks and eating french fries with my diesel pickup up its ass and your wife going down on a nigger tranny piece of shit from outer space
You're a fucking idiot. Pitbulls are aggressive, powerful fighting dogs. That is their breed. You don't think all breeds are the same, do you? Pitbulls are inherently more dangerous and can snap at any time.
Some niggers are civilized too but the exception does not make the rule.
>he was a good dog, he dindu nuffin
Ohh I like this one a lot:
"On October 7, 2014, she shared a video popular with pit bull advocates on her Facebook page depicting a pit bull crawling into a baby's bed and stated: "Too all pit haters, or people who dislike the bread due to being violent., here is a fun fact. Anybody know what they were originally bread for? Anybody? The nanny... to look over and protect the babies. #Lovemypit""
And then that same pitbull killed her little brother: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article53003700.html
>awww look they're so cute and cuddly, they're not vicious animals, we raised them correctly!
Whoops they killed me lol
Aw look, her own cute and cuddly and raised-correctly dog killed her after being her pet for 5 years.
I get tired of these "hur dur pit bulls are friendly" posts on Facebook, shit man they were bred to fuck up someone, taught by even the most aggressive white trash fuckers in your local trailer park. I never come across a pit bull living in iowa but if I do, god help me
Yep. People need to stop feeling sorry for "muh poor wibble pitbull babies" and realize that they are killers. It's like having a freaking wolf as a pet.
>b-but you can raise a wolf correctly too
These idiots don't understand genetics. Ironic since they're all fedora tipping evolution grovelers.
I looked at the article.
>Authorities believe Hardy had gone into the backyard of the home where the dogs were being kept and was attacked there, the newspaper reported. It is not known why she had gone into the backyard.
>Hardy's fiance, Matthew Grattan, told the Detroit Free Press that he is not sure how she ended up in the neighbor's backyard.
>Grattan thinks she might have traveled down the alleyway behind the homes on that street and tried to take a shortcut by going across the neighbor's backyard to get to 10th Street, the Detroit Free Press reported.
You link the wrong one or just retarded?
Yeah I mean the point of them isn't that they're 24/7 attack mode, but that they can snap at any time for any reason and when they do they kill. A pitbull could be a dindu good boy for 10 years and then snap and kill the owner one day for no reason.
A gun is an inanimate object. An animal is not, faggot.
Must have linked the wrong one, I just googled and came up with a bunch of links.
One is too many. Not to mention the amount of people they injure and maim.
Animal vs inanimate object
Guns DON'T kill people. Dogs actually DO.
I knew you'd be a gun control faggot.
I know what you intended, I'm saying it's only a matter of time before they get mauled.
Countless others before you have made the same mistake, with honest intentions. Why do you so willingly want your children to become a statistic?
I'm not an expert in dog fighting or anything but if you have a jacket or sweater on, i would wrap that around my arm and give the dog an arm to latch onto. Then beat its head in / gash its eyes out with your other hand.
Beats having the dog chomp an unprotected arm or go for your throat
And placing an animal bred to savage humans in a guardian position to some children is an absurdity.
This is just pseudophilosophical hot air.
By all means, though, remove your genes from the pool.
All the pit hate here damn.
Currently have a female blue nose on my couch, inside dog and well fed at that.
Quietest dog I've ever owned/seen.
Only barks when a bear/fox is outside or someone pulls into the driveway.
Granted whenever she shows even an iota of disobedience I ensure she gets reeducated.
Only time I've ever seen her nip/bite was when a puppy approached her at 6 in the morning while she was dead asleep and literally latched onto her eyelid.
The puppy got away with a tiny pin prick on its paw.
Oh god the irony.
She lived in a fucking trailer with no functioning bathroom with 3 other pit bulls. That's a recipe for fuckign disaster, medium build dogs don't do well with cramped spaces.
also pitbullfags btfo
>What are the best solutions, other than guns, for defending against dogs?
call in an ATF raid on yourself
Pitbulls and mice
Uhh hello, ATF?
>How did you even get this number?
Nevermind that, look, I'm building this imported FAL I purchased
>DAVE START THE VAN
And I'm stuck trying to figure out how this fucking sear goes together
>DAVE WE GOTTA GO NOW
Yeah if you guys could like come around and help that'd be great, oh and don't mind the dog, he'll be playing out the front with my shoe strings.
>DAVE HOLY SHIT TODAY IS GOING TO BE THE BEST DAY EVER
>They're bred to fight dogs, not people
You are one stupid motherfucker. They are bred to fight. Period.
>being afraid of dogs
>being afraid of pitbulls
No. They;'re bred to fight dogs. Again. Dogs.
Say it. Say the word. DOOOOOGS.
On top of that-
IT'S NOT EVEN AN ACTUAL FUCKING BREED. It's a type, encompassing multiple breeds, and some dogs that just sort of look the part.
>lel they're totally safe guys they weren't bread to rip apart and kill humans, they were only bred to rip apart and kill other mammals!
Lions aren't bred to kill humans either you doofus but they still will.
One of my shit neighbors has a pit. It charged at his friend as he was walking on his lawn. Hopefully he doesn't fuck with me or my family otherwise he is getting a nice steak marinated in antifreeze. Fucking shitbulls.
>Bearded man talking about plebs
>Shaving your face was a mark of manhood and being patrician
Pit bull? Just stand your ground, keep on your feet, and fight back.
Seriously you're probably twice as heavy, you've got much larger range of motion on all your limbs, you have hands to grab and (probably) have shoes on to kick with. All you have to do is keep it away from your neck, which is easy as long as you don't lose your balance and let it get on top of you. Keep up against a wall if you can.
You're going to get injured but the average pit bull vs. adult man should be no contest. It's a weight and strength mismatch on the scale of man with knife vs. grizzly bear or silverback gorilla. Any kind of full force hit is going to do serious fucking damage. Getting on top of the dog, or getting any sort of blunt instrument like a stone or brick, and any hit is going to be compound fractures or death outright for the dog.
The process of domestication has left dogs with little appreciation for their own mortality and lack any real sense of self-preservation. Just because a dog might attack aggressively doesn't mean it has any sort of real advantage over a human in the fight. It has teeth and it can outrun you, that's it. The majority of dog attack fatalities either young children, or the elderly for a reason.
Being scared of pit bulls is gun-grabber tier paranoid retardation. Of course multiple dogs, or larger breeds of dogs are different situations.
An adult pitball can easily fuck up and kill an adult male human if they don't fight back correctly.
Have you fuckine seen those things fight? Pain isn't enough to stop them. You have to physically stop their bodies from functioning. Broken bones are just a minor problem.
Enjoy dying if you're alone and get an artery puntured.
>An adult pitball can easily fuck up and kill an adult male human if they don't fight back correctly.
And yet the only people that die to them are the elderly or children.
Seriously this is like saying that an 8 year old with a knife can easily fuck up and kill an adult male human.
Sure.. if the adult male human is completely fucking retarded. You have so much more power and control. You can just pick the dog up, throw it on ground by its neck, and drive your knee into its chest and kill it.
You are fucking delusional. A pitbull can and will kill anyone 1v1 if that person isn't ready for a fight to the death. Not to mention the immense pain, injuries, and infections even if one "wins" the fight.
As for your false equivalencies - I would much rather fight an 8 year old with a knife than an adult pitbull. No question.
And pitbulls attack and kill many more people than 8 year olds, so, nice false equivalency.
>be in Moscow alley
>be my Russian as hell dad
>feral dog attacks
> smack it with your fucking backpack
>backpack full of heavy shit and cigarettes
>light cigarette, leave alley
This is a family tradition now
>out hunting by a stream, alarmist innawoods
>walk along stream
>trying to get ducks on the wing
> suddenly, a bull shows up
>don't care, won't kill me
>hospital not far
>god damn fearless ducks more important than bull
>what about my gun
>he'll break MY GUN if he charges
>can't shoot him, belongs to someone
>bull gets ready to charge
>point shotgun at bull, then at ground in front of bull
>bull starts moving, pull trigger,
>noise, dust scares bull. He immediately schreeches to a halt
>bull runs away
>casually keep hunting ducks.
There are a lot of stories like this from when they and my mom were in internal exile (Russia is so damn big you don't need to kick people out to exile them).
In the morning maybe a wwii story.
While I won't claim to have "fought" a pitbull to the death, I HAVE had a violent encounter with one before.
>riding my bike, just hit the 4th mile
>stop for a moment to catch my breath
>angry pitbull from some redneck's house comes up to me
>advances very aggressively towards me, isn't stopping
>give it a solid kick to the neck
>A pitbull can and will kill anyone 1v1 if that person isn't ready for a fight to the death.
85lb dog vs. 180-200lb human
-greater range of motion
pit bull has:
That's literally it. If you think a dog is going to have any fight left in it after taking a boot to the ribcage, or being picked up and slammed onto the ground, or being hit in the head with a rock, it is you who is fucking delusional. A pit bull is neither large, nor heavy. It's aggression doesn't match its actual ability to kill you.
The vast majority of single dog attack victims are children, and after that, people older than 50. Try to find a case of a 18-40 year old male of average height and weight being attacked and killed by a single pit bull. Nearly every victim in that age range is either a woman, or was attacked by multiple dogs.
For something as small as a pit bull to kill you, you have to be not fighting back, at all.
>Be walking tiny Chihuahua and large chow mix
>same 2 mile loop every day
>pass by house with owner outside and malamute
>malamute immediately comes up to my dogs
>I pull my dogs tight on their leashes
>things get tense malamute rears up and puts its paws on the chow, both dogs rear up and start grabbing each others necks teeth and spit and fur is flying
>mace the shit out of the malamute
>directly into mouth nose and eyes
>it yelps back running to the owner still on the cellphone oblivious
>owner grabs dogs leash does not even look at me
>I yell out, your dog got maced, you need to wash it
>guy is guido
>"you maced my fucking dog?"
>he lets his dog inside and runs inside and slams the door
>door opens up a second later "No one maces my dog! I'll fucking kill you"
>door slams shut again
>I put my mace up and walk on
>be walking same route
>its summer now and hot as fuck
>walking with girlfriend, with same 2 dogs
>only wearing my tiny shorts and t shirt so only carrying 5 shot compact and no mace
>large german shepard mix appears out of around the corner
>it gets belly down and hides its nose behind a shrub as if watching or stalking us
>tell girl to pick up chihuahuha
>reign in my big dog, hand on the pistol grip, some shit is about to go down
>the shepard rushes full out snarling rather than barking
>draw pistol with right hand keeping my dog under control
>snubby pistol is kept up high I don't want to expend my arm or hand for the dog to jump up and bite and disarm me
>dog circles around like hes trying to get into my guard
>My dog like a good girl is on alert too
>shepard looks over and notices a hobo walking
>runs and chases him down biting him instead
>call animal control
>head right back home and learn to not leave without the mace even if it is hot.
lt;dr Mace is the ideal weapon to deter a dog. Maybe not an attack dog, but aggressive dogs in general.