So you are in a subway enjoying a finely crafted sandwich, when a man runs up to the counter, pulls out his "problem solver" and attempts to rob the clerk.
What are you conceal carrying, and what do you do, if anything? Hard mode is two armed men.
>pointing a loaded gun at someone and making demands
>not a threat
Simple I would walk the fuck right out. If one of the dindus draws on me sure I'll defend "MY" life, but otherwise fuck the sheeple.
A- I have zero interest in risking my life for Libtards who vote against my RKBA, and the kind of people who want me to be shot and my guns taken.
B- Pull out a gun even in the most justified situation and you are risking being immediately shot by the cops who arrive on scene, and if you somehow are not shot, then years and all your money lost defending yourself in court ala Zimmerman.
tl;dr fuck the sheeple I'm out.
you think any of the liberal scum in the subway would do anything to save you?
do nothing unless you have reason to believe you're going to be shot. saving a bunch of sheeple isn't worth the legal headache.
>Go ahead and rob the place.
>Nobody gives a fuck.
>implying some dumb nigger won't kill you for the hell of it because they are fucking savages.
>What are you conceal carrying, and what do you do
I always have a USP .45 on me, I'll wait till he moves the gun off the clerk before blowing the scum bags brains out. Luckily subway has a glass shield to protect the food from getting brain matter on them.
Pic related is from Detroit, guess who is the majority of people who live in Detroit
Depends on the black folks. I used to live in Ontario and most of the black folks were recent African immigrants. They were pretty cool. Then I moved to Michigan and got to experience an entire city of true American niggers. I became real racist real fast.
>most people are anti-gun and actively campaign against the 2A
>using "sheeple" unironically
>if I pull out a gun the cops will suddenly appear and kill me
>shooting someone who's armed and actively threatening people with multiple witnesses nearby will get you Zimmerman'd
What the fuck am I reading
No anon, in this situation you're not the robber; you're the guy protecting the people being threatened by the guy who is willing to kill someone over a sandwich.
>>shooting someone who's armed and actively threatening people with multiple witnesses nearby will get you Zimmerman'd
Chances are if they are libs they will accost you immediately because "he didnu nuffin", " he was just trying to turn his life around", "he was just trying to feed his children", "Who are you to take a life" and so on.
So yes, if the witnesses are the liberal type they wont side with you even if you shot a man pointing a gun at them. Most people in metro areas are liberal and actively vote against your 2A rights. Also, not even the guy you were replying to.
Shoot him in the back.
>Hard mode is two armed men.
Position myself, if possible, so that both are next to each other on one plane. Shoot them both.
I live in a non-shit state. Deadly force is 100% OK to stop someone when you reasonable fear imminent death or serious harm. I wouldn't be charged for shooting armed men in the middle of a robbery, and have full civil immunity if them or their family wants to sue.
If any of you people seriously live in a place where you'd hesitate to act in a textbook situation like this with witnesses because you fear legal repercussions, you really need to leave and find somewhere else to live.
Glock 23 with 40 S&W hollowpoint.
Do nothing, they're just here for money. If I decide to pull my gun, someone will die, and that doesn't have to happen. If they begin acting excessive and pose an immediate probably threat to the clerk I will:
1. Move to a position where I can engage the perpetrators without the risk of hitting bystanders behind them.
2. Draw my weapon calmly, making no fast or sudden movements.
3. Acquire the perpetrator that poses the most immediate threat to life (i.e. is brandishing the weapon at the clerk/victim) and fire two or three shots.
4. Acquire the second perpetrator and fire as many shots as it takes to drop him.
5. Assess, if either of the perpetrators is still an immediate threat or reaching for their weapon, fire until they are stopped.
6. Reload, keep both perpetrators in sights while a willing bystander relieves them of their weapons, and proceed to check them for any additional weapons.
7. Safety and holster my weapon, and wait for police.
>So yes, if the witnesses are the liberal type they wont side with you even if you shot a man pointing a gun at them.
Two problems there. First, it doesn't matter if they agree with me or not. They're not going to all lie and say "Tyrone just walked in to get a sub and this honky shot him", he wasn't trying to rob me." I don't give a shit if they think I was in the right or not, they still support me by acknowledging the guy was armed and threatening others. Secondly... cameras. They exist.
Unless you're going to assert that everyone who lives in a city is so "liberal" and vehemently anti-gun that the entire restaurant would conspire to destroy the surveillance footage, hide the evidence (guy's weapon), and lie about what happened.
>Most people in metro areas are liberal and actively vote against your 2A rights
I'm in the Detroit area. Are most people liberal? Yes. Are they anti-gun? Hell no. Everyone here is armed and nobody tries to tell all the victims of violent crime that they should have just waited 45 minutes for the police instead of protecting themselves.
They won't destroy evidence, but they will protest outside your courtroom until political pressure causes you to get convicted anyways. Seriously, just let him rob the place. It's fucking subway, they keep like 50 bucks in the till anyways. Detroit may be an exception, but most other major metro areas people are strongly anti gun.
Forgot to add: I carry an FN FNS in 9x19mm with 147gr +P HSTs.
tbqh I'd just let them have their way. I just came back from a subway and the lady picked up an onion off the ground before finishing my sandwich.
/r9k/ lied, sandwich artisan my ass smfh
>anything in .40
> but they will protest outside your courtroom until political pressure causes you to get convicted anyways
>Seriously, just let him rob the place. It's fucking subway, they keep like 50 bucks in the till anyways
IDGAF if someone rubs Subway. I care that someone's threatening other people's lives, and for petty cash at that. You act like nobody's ever decided to turn their robbery into a murder for no real reason.
>identifying your ammo as "40 S&W hollowpoint" instead of specifying the type of HP
>drawing your weapon before deciding what you're doing
>patting down the robbers for additional weapons
I don't believe you own or carry a gun, have any training, or have even thought about this very much
>You act like nobody's ever decided to turn their robbery into a murder for no real reason.
Very true, but I don't care the only thing I'm looking for is the door. If the dindu gets in between me and the door sure I open fire, otherwise fuck the sheeple.
>Save the same people who hate me and literally vote to have me disarmed and my guns taken from me.
On top of that the sheeple are constantly crying and sobbing about how we should never "take the law into our own hands" and I agree with them.
Slim to none. That wouldn't even constitute a manslaughter charge.
You can defend the lives of others if they are facing an imminent threat of bodily harm. Somebody pointing a gun at another human being is a threat of imminent bodily harm. You'd be perfectly fine to kill him on the spot. You'd be arrested and charged with criminal homicide, but if you keep your mouth shut and get a good lawyer that argues self-defense, you'd more than likely be acquitted of all charges.
>murdering 5 people for $170
>You'd be arrested and charged with criminal homicide
Is that likely? Is one basically guaranteed to be screwed with legal fees for defending himself or someone else with a firearm?
>A- I have zero interest in risking my life for Libtards who vote against my RKBA, and the kind of people who want me to be shot and my guns taken.
>B- Pull out a gun even in the most justified situation and you are risking being immediately shot by the cops who arrive on scene, and if you somehow are not shot, then years and all your money lost defending yourself in court ala Zimmerman.
Here in Chicago, CCLs have been shooting robbers without worry since we all managed to get our license to carry. And we're a liberal stronghold.
>Is that likely?
No. Not unless they have a reason to believe you did something illegal. If it's an open/shut case like OP's scenario, you won't be arrested, unless you live in a super shitty place.
Yes, it is likely, and it would happen.
I don't know what you've read, or seen on the news, but using lethal force to kill a human being is a criminal act regardless of your intentions or the circumstances surrounding it.
When you kill somebody in self-defense, the prosecutor will usually press charges even if there are 50 people standing nearby yelling "He did it in self defense." and there are 500 camera angles that would back you up. It's still a criminal act and you'll still face charges. However in the US we use an adversarial judicial system which assumes an offender is innocent until proven guilty. It is your duty (more likely your lawyer's duty) in court to prove that your homicide was justifiable using a self-defense argument.
>Stereo shop robbery turns into the torture of five and murder of three
>NAACP rallies to support the murderers because they are black and the jury was white
>>murderers forced victims to swallow draino
>>bu-bu-but muh racial bias
Just thinking about it makes me irate
>>you won't be charged with anything.
I recommend you take a criminal law course at your local community college.
There is a difference between being charged with something, and being convicted of it.
For example, George Zimmerman was charged with murder. But after his trial, he was found not guilty and acquitted of all charges because he argued self-defense and he had a good case.
"Excuse me while I whip this out."
They'll know how Mr. Hands felt.
>I don't know what you've read, or seen on the news
I can think of at least two cases where someone used lethal force and was not even charged is why I asked. One of them did, however, have to move out of the area because he was being harassed by the families of the deceased.
Uh, what kind of communist shit-hole do you live in? Because here in OK, as long as you don't pop a cap into an already-incapacitated criminal it's pretty unlikely for charges to even be filed.
>For example, George Zimmerman was charged with murder.
Initially, the police chose not to arrest him. He was only brought in for questioning and they decided that there wasn't enough evidence to contradict his self-defense claim so it fell under Florida Stand Your Ground and they couldn't make an arrest.
The arrest didn't come until after the media sensationalism.
That's fair. There are some jurisdictions where you might not face charges, such as a small town or county, it's mostly up to the prosecutor.
I live in a suburb of Omaha, Nebraska with about 20,000 people, surrounded by similar suburbs. Jurisdictions with greater population density have a political duty to charge people in self-defense shootings even if the evidence is clear. Even dead niggers deserve to have their killer charged and put up to trial.
You do realize that in the majority of legitimate self-defense cases, the shooter isn't even charged, right? You're only charged if the state has reason to believe you acted inappropriately. It sure it had to react with an inappropriate level of force when multiple armed men are threatening the lives of you and those around you.
You bring up Zimmerman. He wasn't charged (initially) because the police at the scene saw nothing suspicious to suggest he was in the wrong. He was only charged because of the public's witch-hunt.
I pull out my phone and record it.
I've never seen someone try to rob a place with a calculator before.
take out my wallet, take my cards and leave it on the table.
if they want what pittance I have its better than spending the day at the station explaining why I shot some nig over $30 and a bus pass
Omaha, Nebraska. It's all right here, but when self-defense shootings happen the shooter is usually charged. Just because you're charged with a crime doesn't mean you committed it, that's why we have courts, in order to prove your innocence.
Only CC a spring assist knife because living on commiefagia
If there's only one guy,
and I'm in arm's reach,
The sandwich is particularly good,
And the cashier is at least a 7,
Obviously I'm going to stab him repeatedly from behind
it's not about the sandwhich retard, its about the desperate scum might snap and start unloading on people.
There is a difference between someone who wants to murder people, and someone who's threatening people because he didn't get extra mayo on his sub or he wants the 234$ in the cash register.
There is no need to escalate if you think all they want is the money.
It kinda depends on how they behave, really. The best options are doing nothing, or shooting them, and I feel like I'd need a better reason than "they're robbing a subway" to shoot them.
If they start acting like they actually want to kill people that's different.
>Ansley, still begging for her life, was forced to drink the drain cleaner
>The moment it touched the hostages' lips, enormous blisters rose, and it began to burn their tongues and throats and peel away the flesh around their mouths
>Pierre then took Ansley to the far corner of the basement, forced her at gunpoint to remove her clothes, then repeatedly and brutally raped her
>When he was done, he allowed her to use the bathroom while he watched, then dragged her, still naked, back to the other hostages, threw her on her face, and fatally shot her in the back of the head.
What puzzles me is that organizations like NAACP would (I think, at least?) gain more support if they instead chose to vocally condemn actions like that.
Unless the card-carrying members of the NAACP are absolutely disgusting human beings, it would be a boon for them.
>NAACP are absolutely disgusting human beings
I conceal carry to protect myself, not to be a hero.
I'll fucking finish my sandwich that I paid for and leave. Though if they try to rob me, I'll shoot them in the head and then finish my sandwich.
Pro tip: the clerk is CCing a Mak, and running straight out the backdoor, ready to pop some shots if the baddie is dumb enough to follow him outside.
Let him do whatever he wants in the store.
noice, drop some 9x18 in the meatball juice
Put my hands up in a non-threatening manner. Step back either out of his peripheral vision or somehow get behind him or behind something. When I know he isn't looking, draw and kill the robber. Then the police show up and I ask for my lawyer.
If it's just one I'd probably draw on him and tell him to keep his hands up and not turn around or I'll shoot, and then have him slowly lay the gun down.
Assuming I feel like killing someone, because there's a good chance he'd turn around and I'd have to shoot, and I really don't want to have to kill someone.
If there's two I would probably unholster but keep my weapon out of view and hope to god I don't have to use it and they'll just take the money and leave. Getting into a gunfight with 2 armed men is just not something I want to do, it's just money, and it's not even my money. I want to live to 70.
If I suspect they're about to get violent I'd probably get violent and try shooting one in the back of the head when they're not looking, then magdumping into the other guy.
Someone robbed the subway in the town next to mine., dunno why, I work at a subway and we don't have nearly enough money to make it worth the risk. If someone robbed me i'd tell them I'll give them all the money and ask them to not point the gun at me.
I would have hell a lot of fun kicking his ass. Starting by doing a CHI NO KATA (attack to the neck), followed by a KERI (punch) below the sternum. Then let him recover from those two respiratory system damaging attacks... Then the Koppo Jutsu begin (bones breaking technique), I would walk toward him confidently and let him grab my clocth... and then perform the technique i'm specialize into a Onikudaki (tradition: crushing the demon). So at ther point in the fight he got his -lets say- right arm completely crushed. I would profit the fact that he's crying from pain to grab his left hand and perform another breaking technique (I don't remember the name... shame on me sensei). which would break and twist his wrist and if i'm lucky, his elbow and shoulder. Immediatly after, I'd lift his broken arm to give the deadly blow : a very powerful punch in the underarm causing a big artery present there to pierce. Before leaving i'd use a Shako Ken (clawn hand) on the temples to damage his optic nerve. And maybe profit that he's lying on the ground to break one leg or two (easy thing to do). Then bow to him while saying <<Domo arigato gozaimashita>> (Thank you very much for the training). And walk away.
>During the trial, it was revealed that Pierre and Andrews had robbed the store with the intention of killing anyone they came across, and in the months prior to the robbery had been looking for a way to commit the murders quietly and cleanly. The two then repeatedly watched the film Magnum Force, in which a prostitute (played by Margaret Avery) is forced to drink Drano and is then shown immediately dropping dead. Pierre and Andrews decided that this would be an efficient method of murder and decided to use it in their crime.
I look at my "bad motherfucker" wallet and I know what I must do. The lines are engraved in my mind. It's go time.
>found the nogunz
Role player get the fuck out
>Andrews and Pierre noted that Orren was still alive, so Pierre mounted him, wrapped a wire around his throat, and tried to strangle him. When this failed, Pierre and Andrews inserted a ballpoint pen into Orren's ear, and Pierre stomped it until it punctured his eardrum, broke, and exited the side of his throat.
This made me cringe so hard, and the part with the "drano" what the fuck, all this shit for 170 dollars
>hard mode is two armed men
I don't know what the fuck y'all do but I only sit and stay while eating at a fast food place if I'm with a friend or friends, and we all carry. Else I'm already out the door because I can eat and walk at the same time without choking or tripping.
If you shoot them, then you have to put up with the legal shit.
If you don't draw, at the most you're called on as a witness to identify the suspect.
Eh, if the situation isn't likely to escalate, then I wouldn't draw. Drawing only increases the risk of someone innocent or yourself getting shot, and is it really worth it for the about $200 they keep in the drawer?
It is never worth it for money, and I would never try to defend someone's business for them, that would be their job.
The problem is that you never know if some guy who is crazy enough to perform an armed robbery in daylight is also crazy enough to start plugging customers. This thread has a couple examples of robberies going bad for absolutely no reason other than the robber wanted to hurt somebody.
The reason I would think about drawing or firing would be to protect innocent life, never to defend property that isn't my own.
>because I can eat and walk
But can you eat, walk, and hold an open topped drink at the same time without losing any portions of food and drink? Additionally, bear in mind, it's proper British conduct to eat with a knife and fork.
Can you pull off such a feat?
> try to be a hero
anyone who has actually had a chl instructor with half a damn brain knows money isn't worth shooting anyone over.
have fun spending thousands of dollars in attorney fees because you wanted to impress people at a subway.
Then you're a fine potential officer for the Yorkshire Subway Pals battalion.
Our motto is "Quid acetaria? Quid condimentum?"
I'm carrying a CZ RAMI.
I draw behind him slowly if possible.
I aim center mass and tell him to put his god damn hands up I've got a gun on him.
Then he'll start to turn and I'll shoot him 3-5 times until he goes down.
Unless I'm at work.
Then I probably left the gun in the glovebox while grabbing lunch, so depending on the situation I either do nothing or I slit the guy's throat with my CRKT heiho from behind.
Most likely I do nothing though.
It all depend on the sandwich. Did they short me on the meat and give me a lettuce sandwich like the Pakis down the block used to do? Did I get a stink-eye from the cashier for refilling my soda on the way out the door last time I ate there? These are important questions that must be considered.
It warms my heart that my home state is unfucking itself since Rauner got elected. But it also pisses me off, because I left when things are getting better while MO is fucking itself.
I work in the beginning sections of the blighted area in St Louis, and they really are bad.
There is a huge difference between Africans, who tend to be based as fuck and are pretty much Uncle Ruckus from Boondawks, and the native niggers that do nothing but depress an entire country and make things worse for everyone in every way possible.
Here you go you cunts.
I live in a mid-sized college town, in the cheapest apartment complex in town.
Never a problem.
The rest of my family lives in Philadelphia and New Orleans.
They have nigger problems like you wouldn't believe.
If you're in the same state as me, then you have the same opportunity to carry as I do. If you choose not to protect yourself adequately, that's your problem. If you choose to work or frequent somewhere that doesn't allow you to defend yourself, also your problem. My wife and I carry and train to protect ourselves and our family. So if Subway was getting robed, I would get GTFO and not look back. Its not my responsibility to protect anyone except me and mine.
I already have my shit sandwich so it's not my problem. Only thing that would happen would be marking down yet another reason not to eat at subway who has a pedophile as a mascot.
Down south Publix makes better subs than subway
You are threatened. A criminal with a gun is a threat, if he's willing to drop a qt in a Polo he's damn sure willing to drop you. If you wait until his gun is trained on you it is already to late.
Removing poor disenfranchised criminals is a good deterrent for other would be disenfranchised criminals.
Sorry liberals have made making the world a better place such a hassel. Don't let it force you into becoming a victim.
I CC a g42. 1 person at 5-15 ft I'd be pretty confident at 3 or 4 to the chest, then rush, disarm and detain.
> bleed out idgaf.
2 people, try to posture about 5 feet from the closest 1 to the dome and 1 to the chest of the closest. Assuming that went well, I'd put 3 to 5 in the next guys chest. Reload, approach disarm and detain if not head spaghettied.
Of course that's assuming I don't shit the bed.
Better to go down trying.