I'm looking to get a good "all-around" rifle for deer, long range shooting, possibly wild hog, and anything else you'd want a big dangerous black rifle for.
What's the most economical choice for a beginner? I've narrowed it down to a DSA FAL, ar10, and CETME sporter. That's in decreasing price point.
Which of these platforms is the best performer for the price? Anything I need to look for when buying one of these? Any other viable candidates I forgot?
If you get a well built CETME they'll be just as good as the G3. The CETME only differes in terms of the sights and magazines. Other than that it's just a Spaniard G3. But technically speaking the G3 is a CETME clone.
A lot of gun youtubers and magazines have given the new Century Arms C308 good reviews, but /k/ still believes in the Century meme, so I would take what most of the guys say about the C308 on here with a grain of salt. Handle one for yourself and see if you like it.
>Which of these platforms is the best performer for the price?
A .308AR is going to be the most accurate.
Get .308 Verp.
Literally a .308 AK, damn sexy in standard configuration, as spoopy and tacticool as you want with aftermarket crap.
I got a Sporter model myself just 6 months ago, and I love it.
>people ever trying to justify spending money on a cetme
>ever considering a cetme ever
>buying a .308 sporter
>cheaping out on a fucking rifle that shoots .308 in semi auto
You're shooting yourself in the foot if you ever buy one of those things. Just save up and fork the extra $200 and get something nice like a ptr91 or build your own ar10. They're better built and much more accurate than a shit cetme can ever hope to be.
If you seriously cannot fathom or see the benefits of buying either of those rifles over a cetme, you're fucking lost and honestly shouldn't ever consider touching anything other than a budget ar15. I'll speak for the majority of people especially poorfags on this board.
SAVE UP. STOP BEING SO SUSPECTABLE TO INSTANT GRATIFICATION AND SAVE UP FOR NICE THINGS.
Take a look at the new version of the PTR91 with the paddle may release. Its about 400 shekels more than a C308 about 200 shekels less than a DSA FAL
>nice like a ptr91
Stop fucking compromising.
I don't even own a ptr91. Just an observation from someone who has a functioning brain and only buys not shit guns.
But whatever floats your boat. I understand realizing how shitty your cetme is will only make you sad, considering it has literally no resale value and for all the right reasons.
And way to go deleting your comment fagboii
C308 Sporter owner here
They're really hit or miss. Mine ran great out of the box the first time I took it to the range and then the bolt-gap shat on me after that. Sent it in to get it fixed (they're fixed by PTR believe it or not) and it runs great. Not a very accurate shooter by any means, but it's still a fun rifle to use.
I deleted that comment because he wasn't shilling the PTR.
Maybe everyones sick and tired about hearing the PTR when someone just wants a CETME? Ever think of that? You don't have to interject the PTR into every fucking roller-delayed thread.
>You don't have to interject the PTR into every fucking roller-delayed thread.
OP specifically asked for a good "all-around" rifle. And the ptr91 fits the bill much better than the cetme. Just fucking deal with it.
Give me one, ONE good reason to buy a cetme over a ptr91. And no, I won't take your retort seriously if you actually unironically mention the cost on a platform that shoots 50 cent bullets for every pull of a trigger.
>give us Century owners a safe space, will ya?
>give us Century owners a safe space, will ya?
I think there's a place for that. If you really do want a circlejerk of your inferior guns, you can go to pic related.
There's really nothing that bad about century's other guns like wasrs but when you're trying to skimp on a few hundred dollars on a .308, you deserve all the mockery you will get.
Oh and here's the URL for the website incase you didn't know www.reddit.com
not that guy but why in the fuck would you ever even consider buying a piece of shit CETME when PTR exists?
You are literally setting yourself up for failure and disappointment at that point.
>Any other viable candidates I forgot?
The one that isn't ancient shit.
>the only one with a free floating barrel
>the only one with custom barrel options available
>the only one with a match trigger available
>the only one with a fully adjustable stock available
>the lightest recoil
>the least harsh recoil impulse
>the only one that doesn't smash scopes to splinters
So like are you just pretending to be retarded or what? $10,000 PSG1/MSG90s struggle to beat 2 MOA on a great day, and FALs are minute of cantaloupe if you can manage to get five shots off without turning the scope glass to glitter.
If a lightweight rifle that doesn't murder your shoulder is a priority, DPMS G2 Recon. It's less than $1500 and is ~80% parts interchangeable with an AR15.
If accuracy is your main concern, build one yourself.
If money is no concern, Noveske.
>If you get a well built CETME
This is kind of the tricky part, no?
Anyway, OP, if you're not particularly tied to roller-delayed blowback and glorious stamped-steel Kraut space magic, you can probably do better on a given budget by building an AR-10 from parts.
That being said, I would still say AR10/DPMS GII variant because they are lighter and more modular.
Also, trigger doesn't make the gun more accurate, it makes YOU more accurate, so trigger is always related.
>almost all commercially available complete .308AR's come with a 1MOA guarantee
>nearly half of them guarantee 3/4 MOA
Can your CETME/G3/FAL/Hakim/whatever else consistently shoot 3 shots into a <1" group with run of the mill M80 ball? Didn't think so.
>1 MOA guarantee
Who the fuck is guaranteeing that with their .308 ARs? The fucking military standard out of fixed-bench breechloading test barrels is 1.6 MOA.
Sorry for the late reply, I just got a new PTR FR from Atlantic. Has the bull barrel (IraqVeteran8888 did a video on it recently, very very accurate) and a rail already on it. Finish is amazing and they now all come standard with paddles (a $200 smith job typically) and ar10 threading for muzzle devices. You have a good budget so don't sell yourself short. Nothing really that bad about the Cetme sporter from what I have seen but you are getting so much more with a new PTR.