ITT: Guns we Americans wish we could own but they're banned from import by executive orders of the past that go above and beyond the place of the executive.
Pic related, fuck you Bush senior.
Saiga mk-107. Tbh very rare and expensive even in russia.
It was Clinton who ruined getting Russian guns for us. And I want a gsh18
NOBODY can own this sexy beast thanks to fucking Clinton.
>breaktop in .357 magnum
>looks like something a Shadowrunner would use
>never got past the prototype stage because Izmash wouldn't have been allowed to export them to America
So is this now the /daydreaming about Russian and Chinese guns general/? Not that I have a problem with that.
The idea of a bullpup, compact semi-auto 7.62x54mmR rifle makes my willy pete run wild if you catch my drift.
You're right, I bought a Polytech legend instead. They're good quality aks, no doubt about that but they aren't the best thing since sliced bread.
Post the best AK then. Import ban or not.
Not sure whether they're banned by executive orders or don't fit some nonsense regulations, but there's the Singaporean SAR 80 and SR 88, apparently very good AR-18 copies that a habit of turning up anywhere such as the Yugoslav breakup wars, Somalia, and Middle Eastern conflicts.
Hypothetically speaking, if it cannot be imported but some how manages to end up here and by a small, menial chance finds its way into a lgs... is it legal to own or does it have to be someone pre-1990 ban shit?
if its already here and does not violate the NFA then you are good, it just needs to have a serial number with alphanumeric letters and characters so you can put it in the books.
The laws are only against importation. Once it's in the country there isn't any mechanism for them to prosecute you.
You'll see Iraqi Tariq pistols on auction sites every once in a while. It's an open secret that these things get smuggled back in pieces in a duffel bag. Outside of a handful of examples that have been brought back by commanders for display in base museums, there is no way to bring them in legally.
But once they're here, they're here. Ain't shit the feds can do unless you explicitly admit that you, or the guy you bought it from, smuggled it in.
>inb4 buy civilian version
I want the full thing, I don't trust any product pared down.
polytec legends, easily.
Why the fuck would a milled ak47 or akm be "top tier"?
That's like saying the colt sp1 is much better than a bcm just because it's more expensive. It doesn't make any sense
lets say i wanted one of those chinese bullpups the canadians get, can i get a crate of them in canada, do some minor thing to them, wait a few years and then import them as canadian made guns?
Norinco made "sporting" rifles and shotguns which weren't covered in the Bush Sr import bans. Because all the other factory produced firearms that would qualify as "assault weapons" and thus not be importable.
I believe the very few that are in the U.S. were presentation guns from the Norinco booth during the 1989 SHOT show. A bunch were present at the booth, and they planned on starting importation in February 1989.
When the ban happened, they probably just sold off the 10 or so presentation guns at a loss.
In Russia they "demilitarise" old AKs that have been sitting around in warehouses and sell them to civilians, sometimes you can get AK-47's with everything they would have been issued with.
type 63 is cool as fuck but I've heard it was kind of shit. would still own one for the novelty factor.
The side-folding stock is what really drives it home for me, I just really like the way it looks. However my white whale will always be the TOZ-123, the smooth-bore sporting variant of the the KS-23. I hear that some managed to make it to the US before Clint got to em, but the ammo is probably an arm and a leg per round.
Is that the safety selector at the very rear of the stock? Or is that some kind of take-down device?
BTW. QBZ is one of the more aesthetic bullpups IMO. Looks 80s/90s-robocop-angular-fantastic..
it really does look aesthetically pleasing but i cant put my finger on why, but i have no idea what that lever is for, im american so i haven't even held one which is odd to think about
I too have heard these are very shit quality. Are these fucking machining marks? If so, I didnt think lack of quality would be so visible on these
Just got my 1944 GM M1 Carbine monday!
that because the one you postted and Karen's gun are early production gun
and that is acceptable for slav military issued weapon
late production on is a lot better
they even have rail and shit for the military version
you can even order a chrome one for the spoter version
How many barrels would that require? 8? Also, with current ammo prices, that would be anywhere between $20,000-40,000 in ammo costs, for comparison.
Not bad for sheet metal and some trunions. When the rifle is less than $1500, I consider that a pretty good ROI.
They're not perfect, the fact that you could get them blued was awesome though. It would be nice if it was just easier to export small runs of guns anyway and we could get things like limited run high gloss blued milled receiver AKs with some type of fancy wood furniture that you know the russians probably make as show pieces.
I'm somewhat incredelous that any .30 caliber rifling would survive 80,000 rounds. Not when the must smaller .223 barrels are only rated for something like 15,000.
Hell, .308s lose some accuracy after just 3,000.
- We have yet to shoot out a factory WASR barrel. The barrels on three of our C39's started to keyhole and were pulled.
- We have WASR's on the line that have last OVER two and half years and the barrels are NOT shot out and they continue to run. We installed new bolts to bring headspace back up but they keep running.
It's not as much an import issue as much as a who knows what issue, but after playing Stalker has anyone else wanted a Fort 12?
>implying their's anything magic about a 30 cal low velocity barrel lasting long and the shot c39 barrel life just being because of the shit finish those had
>implying AK 74 barrels don't burn out as fast as a military AR barrel
>implying foreign magic to parts
>implying you can't just buy US made DD or FN CHF barrel
Quality on shit always varies in the US, but it always varies from low tier to top tier, you can't imply the top tier doesn't exist in the US
They don't make AK barrels, friend.
If it were just a question of finish, then why do Green Mountain 7.62x39 barrels- made by a company known to have fine QC and finish- suffer from the same problems as the rest of the domestic button-rifled barrels at the end of their life?
I've had an idea in regards to that. Tell me if I'm fucking retarded or something.
Instead of a small hinged latch, why not a big fuckoff bolt that immobilizes the swing hinge?
it seems like you could even leave the whole top of the frame open above the cylinder, which would look unique as hell.
I would do terrible, terrible things for a Stechkin
they would do that for a 9x39 gun, not a 9x18 gun
but Stechkin is cool though
I just read through 3 pages of that thread. I can conclude 1 of 2 things:
Either the author is leaving out just how inaccurate those 80,000 round barrels have become...
Or metallurgists in Romania have discovered how to extend the lands in their rifles well past 400% of *any* other manufacterer, including their Soviet predecessors and other CHF barrel manufacterers like FN.
>I am heavy weapons pistol
>can never fire it on full retard without every soccer mom in a 40 mi radius calling the cops about the school shooter wanting to murder their babies
>can't get cheapass surplus 9x18 to feed it anymore so even if you can fire it full retard you'll instantly regret it deep in the pit of your wallet