ITT: Guns we Americans wish we could own but they're banned

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Saiga mk-107. Tbh very rare and expensive even in russia.

>>28530157

Saiga MK rifles in general.....its a fucking pity!

>>28530202
>doesn't have a dick on the stock
What the fuck man?

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It was Clinton who ruined getting Russian guns for us. And I want a gsh18

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>>28530157
>tfw no norinco

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>>28530157

>>28530954
They're more or less the same quality as any higher mid tier ak on the market right now.

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>>28530157

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>>28530157
NOBODY can own this sexy beast thanks to fucking Clinton.

>breaktop in .357 magnum
>looks like something a Shadowrunner would use
>never got past the prototype stage because Izmash wouldn't have been allowed to export them to America

fuck everything

Chinese Type 63/68, a weird hybrid of SKS and the Type 56. There are some in Australia...

>>28531133
>Breaktop
>.357
Ive seen it here before, isn't there too much pressure or it to work properly?

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So is this now the /daydreaming about Russian and Chinese guns general/? Not that I have a problem with that.
The idea of a bullpup, compact semi-auto 7.62x54mmR rifle makes my willy pete run wild if you catch my drift.

>>28530157

SVT40

I mean yeah you can buy them for about $1000-$1200 but over the border in canada they are getting them all day long for $350

goddamnit.

>>28531133
Frankly even though it looks awesome.A POLYMER frame revolver? That seems likely to be shit.

>>28530827
Okay this I am into

>>28531240

>never heard of the LCR

>>28530972
Confirmed for never owned a Norinco.

They were the cheapest AK you could buy, and now they're worth a fucking fortune because figured out they are THE top tier ak.

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>>28531372
You're right, I bought a Polytech legend instead. They're good quality aks, no doubt about that but they aren't the best thing since sliced bread.

>>28531216
That's because Garands sell up here for 1600-2000. Also they're 400 and up now.

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>>28531419
Post the best AK then. Import ban or not.

>inb4 Arsenal

Not sure whether they're banned by executive orders or don't fit some nonsense regulations, but there's the Singaporean SAR 80 and SR 88, apparently very good AR-18 copies that a habit of turning up anywhere such as the Yugoslav breakup wars, Somalia, and Middle Eastern conflicts.

>>28531588
East German.

>>28531588
What's wrong with Arsenal?

>>28531666
Some of them had shit triggers but that's more the US side of things.

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Hypothetically speaking, if it cannot be imported but some how manages to end up here and by a small, menial chance finds its way into a lgs... is it legal to own or does it have to be someone pre-1990 ban shit?

>>28531723
I doubt you'd go to jail for owning it. However, some astute LEO might confiscate it if you get in trouble.

>>28530827
But the GSh-18 is a piece of shit, and they're made very fucking poorly.

>>28531723
if its already here and does not violate the NFA then you are good, it just needs to have a serial number with alphanumeric letters and characters so you can put it in the books.

>>28530157
I would kill for a type81

>>28532218
>Kill yourself for an AK.

Jesus dude, just go knock on the backdoor of the local Chinese super buffet and get one yourself.

>>28531723

The laws are only against importation. Once it's in the country there isn't any mechanism for them to prosecute you.

You'll see Iraqi Tariq pistols on auction sites every once in a while. It's an open secret that these things get smuggled back in pieces in a duffel bag. Outside of a handful of examples that have been brought back by commanders for display in base museums, there is no way to bring them in legally.

But once they're here, they're here. Ain't shit the feds can do unless you explicitly admit that you, or the guy you bought it from, smuggled it in.

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>inb4 buy civilian version

I want the full thing, I don't trust any product pared down.

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polytec legends, easily.
>>28531372
Why the fuck would a milled ak47 or akm be "top tier"?

That's like saying the colt sp1 is much better than a bcm just because it's more expensive. It doesn't make any sense

>>28532262
Well, if you're feeling lucky, you can buy the only PE 90 in the country.

>>28532239
Not an AK, it is a strange SKS, AK bastard child.

>>28530157
Why were all Chinese manufacturers except Norinco banned in 1989. But Norinco wasn't banned until 1994?

lets say i wanted one of those chinese bullpups the canadians get, can i get a crate of them in canada, do some minor thing to them, wait a few years and then import them as canadian made guns?

>>28532352
You're talking about the QBZ-97? Right?

>>28532330
Norinco made "sporting" rifles and shotguns which weren't covered in the Bush Sr import bans. Because all the other factory produced firearms that would qualify as "assault weapons" and thus not be importable.

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>>28532364
yes i am

>>28532372
But they were still importing MAK-90s, Tokarevs, and other things before the 1994 ban.

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>>28532218
mah nigga.

>>28530157
Weren't those banned before any could be imported?

>>28532420
I believe the very few that are in the U.S. were presentation guns from the Norinco booth during the 1989 SHOT show. A bunch were present at the booth, and they planned on starting importation in February 1989.

When the ban happened, they probably just sold off the 10 or so presentation guns at a loss.

>>28532275
>Why the fuck would a milled ak47
Why fuck would a shitty stamped ak47 be top tier? Enjoy your split receiver after 80,000 rounds faggot.

>>28532391
In sporter configs

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>>28532400
Type 81 masterrace. Type 63 awesome too.

>>28532250
We may or may not have used our aid bags.

All you gotta do is mention the location of the sharps container.

In Russia they "demilitarise" old AKs that have been sitting around in warehouses and sell them to civilians, sometimes you can get AK-47's with everything they would have been issued with.

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>>28530202
;-;

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>>28532573
type 63 is cool as fuck but I've heard it was kind of shit. would still own one for the novelty factor.

SVD
Legit HK93, HK91, and other variants
AKs of various flavors

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AK12

>>28530157
Anyone want those Hungarian GM6 .50 bmg rifles too?

Stupid importation restrictions banning destructive devices.

>>28533114
.50 isnt a DD in america

>>28531322

The poly framed LCRs are .38 only. .357 versions are steel.

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>>28532573
The side-folding stock is what really drives it home for me, I just really like the way it looks. However my white whale will always be the TOZ-123, the smooth-bore sporting variant of the the KS-23. I hear that some managed to make it to the US before Clint got to em, but the ammo is probably an arm and a leg per round.

>>28532390
Is that the safety selector at the very rear of the stock? Or is that some kind of take-down device?

BTW. QBZ is one of the more aesthetic bullpups IMO. Looks 80s/90s-robocop-angular-fantastic..

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>>28533169
it really does look aesthetically pleasing but i cant put my finger on why, but i have no idea what that lever is for, im american so i haven't even held one which is odd to think about

>>28531429

i guess id rather have an affordable garand than affordable svt's

>>28533154

Taurus makes a polymer 357 but you know....

taurus.

>>28533389
Garands are only going to be affordable until the CMP runs out.
Probably this year.

>>28532183
So if I managed to sneak one of those norinco bullpups over here, could I have it legally?

>>28533405
It blows my mind that we made more M1/M2 Carbines than we did Garand, and they somehow dried up while Garands are still plentiful? This logic is confusing.

>>28533154
Nope, the .357 LCR is also polymer. The materials changes are in the cylinder frame (aluminum to steel).

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>>28532162
I too have heard these are very shit quality. Are these fucking machining marks? If so, I didnt think lack of quality would be so visible on these

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>>28533821
Just got my 1944 GM M1 Carbine monday!

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SAKO
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>>28532262
>buy civilian version
Sig Sauer stopped making them.

>>28533206
>>28532390
The lever back there is in fact the fire selector, for whatever the fuck reason the Chinese thought it would be good there.

>>28533821
Most of the carbines are still overseas.
The US has been giving them away like candy to the moderate and secular jihadis in Syria.

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>>28532162
that because the one you postted and Karen's gun are early production gun
and that is acceptable for slav military issued weapon
late production on is a lot better
they even have rail and shit for the military version
you can even order a chrome one for the spoter version

>>28531133
I don't get it though, why not just do what Arsenal did and licensed the manufacturing of the design to someone else and just do that to bypass it.

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>>28534068

>>28532479

How many barrels would that require? 8? Also, with current ammo prices, that would be anywhere between $20,000-40,000 in ammo costs, for comparison.

Not bad for sheet metal and some trunions. When the rifle is less than $1500, I consider that a pretty good ROI.

>>28534147
If you have a good foreign barrel, 1.

>>28531419
They're not perfect, the fact that you could get them blued was awesome though. It would be nice if it was just easier to export small runs of guns anyway and we could get things like limited run high gloss blued milled receiver AKs with some type of fancy wood furniture that you know the russians probably make as show pieces.

>>28534154

I'm somewhat incredelous that any .30 caliber rifling would survive 80,000 rounds. Not when the must smaller .223 barrels are only rated for something like 15,000.

Hell, .308s lose some accuracy after just 3,000.

>>28534188
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/159106_AK_abuse__home_built_version_update_on_Page_6_.html&page=1
- We have yet to shoot out a factory WASR barrel. The barrels on three of our C39's started to keyhole and were pulled.

- We have WASR's on the line that have last OVER two and half years and the barrels are NOT shot out and they continue to run. We installed new bolts to bring headspace back up but they keep running.

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It's not as much an import issue as much as a who knows what issue, but after playing Stalker has anyone else wanted a Fort 12?

>>28534199
>implying their's anything magic about a 30 cal low velocity barrel lasting long and the shot c39 barrel life just being because of the shit finish those had
>implying AK 74 barrels don't burn out as fast as a military AR barrel
>implying foreign magic to parts
>current year

>>28534201
It would be neat to have one but nothing more.

>>28534222
They last longer due to being CHF'd ,rather than button rifling like most Western barrels.

>>28531195
Those ware produced of very, very low quality, my friend.
Do not want.

>>28531133
Don't worry friend. For the past year I've been drawing plans up for a break top in .357, .45 lc/acp, and possibly 44 mag if I can design a latch that can take the pressure

>>28534061
So most of the Garands have stayed state-side since the late 50's?

>>28534234
>implying you can't just buy US made DD or FN CHF barrel

Quality on shit always varies in the US, but it always varies from low tier to top tier, you can't imply the top tier doesn't exist in the US

>>28534287
They don't make AK barrels, friend.
If it were just a question of finish, then why do Green Mountain 7.62x39 barrels- made by a company known to have fine QC and finish- suffer from the same problems as the rest of the domestic button-rifled barrels at the end of their life?

>>28534255
Shh, let me dream.

>>28534259
I've had an idea in regards to that. Tell me if I'm fucking retarded or something.

Instead of a small hinged latch, why not a big fuckoff bolt that immobilizes the swing hinge?

it seems like you could even leave the whole top of the frame open above the cylinder, which would look unique as hell.

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9\10 would shoot

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>>28534466
I would do terrible, terrible things for a Stechkin

>>28534497
In Chechnya, back in the fun days, chechens could give you a nice Lada for a Stechkin

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>>28534522
they would do that for a 9x39 gun, not a 9x18 gun
but Stechkin is cool though

>>28534199

I just read through 3 pages of that thread. I can conclude 1 of 2 things:

Either the author is leaving out just how inaccurate those 80,000 round barrels have become...

Or metallurgists in Romania have discovered how to extend the lands in their rifles well past 400% of *any* other manufacterer, including their Soviet predecessors and other CHF barrel manufacterers like FN.

>>28530827

Steyrski? Glockeyev?

>>28532330
Wasn't the US ban due to China selling weapons to Iran?

Doesn't TPP give manufacturers the right to sue the Federal government for making imported guns illegal?

>>28530157
awww poor baby can't get your assault rifle.

>>28534466
A longer Makarov. WOW

>>28535731

Man, wouldn't that be some grade A come-uppins?

>>28533904
How much?

>>28535731
Yeah, but China isn't a part of the TPP.

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>>28535753
can't tell if retarded or making a joke

>>28535757
1000 no mags
War build 1944 on blue moon barrel
Bore is great

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>no howa type 64

>>28537373
Mimi is best raifu

>>28535775
damson.jpg

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>>28534466
>I am heavy weapons pistol
>can never fire it on full retard without every soccer mom in a 40 mi radius calling the cops about the school shooter wanting to murder their babies
>can't get cheapass surplus 9x18 to feed it anymore so even if you can fire it full retard you'll instantly regret it deep in the pit of your wallet
y tho