I want to get an entry level plate carrier / plate setup. I don't know much about this shit, I want something that is decent, and good value. Is a SAPI plate worth the enormous cost increase over AR500? Is there a better option? Help, I have nothing to attach my edgy moral patches to.
What I'm currently considering:
beez isn't the most retarded choice but ar500 is fucking garbage penetrable by some of the most common calibers and bullet types available.
Can't afford it? Then start saving money because if you buy AR500 you're basically throwing that cash in the trash anyway.
Yeah, a little more expensive but worth the extra cost, especially with Beez since their carriers are designed for these plates, or at least mine is.
Here is the test. Long video but shows all their plates being tested.
This one. The Ar500 Cumber, but it looks like they changed it a bit. I haven't got a change to run it yet since I haven't bought plates since I just bought a new car.
Good to know, I was also considering this since it's the only plates i've seen advertised. I've also seen some test vids, I wouldn't buy anything less than >>28529281 what anon said
Question about this shit, is there any reason to double up on plates? Like would it be retarded and pointless to do so or would it help stop larger calibers, would most PC not be able to fit more than one plate in them? I have neither a PC or plates so I have no idea. Educate me please?
Highcom has some sweet sales for certain holidays.
Not fitting is something I assumed. I don't know how much they weigh each so I didn't really think of that. So a new question:
Whats the highest rating available to civilians, and what calibers does it protect against?
also, what are trauma pads exactly?
Thanks man. Have any recommendations, that are not listed in thread so far? Plate brands, PC brands, and trauma pad brands?
And I ask for your opinions on this as well: PC or full body armor? Pros and cons? Pic related
I like this vid and these plates, but I have a concern
I'm not a fat dude, but I'm a pretty big, tall guy. Why do all the plates I've seen (these and others) seem so small? I know weight's an issue but I'd rather carry around an extra couple lbs for better insurance.
I feel if I was wearing the plates shown in the vid, my lower stomach would be completely exposed. Do they make plates for big+tall? Lol
thanks for these, definitely clarified some things for me. But as someone with more experience in these things, why do you think stomach protection is unnecessary? I literally want to protect everything inside me. Getting gut shot would be terrifying and probably excruciatingly painful
I know if I saw a dude with chest protection I'd probably just go for his lower torso. I'm sure he'd drop.
But again, no exp in these type of things. I'm trying to learn and get into it
>ar500 is fucking garbage penetrable by some of the most common calibers
could you source this or go into detail?
Because I wasn't able to penetrate the one i bought and I shot it from anything from .22 to 7mm Mag and haven't penetrated it.
Beez is a good brand. You might want to go with ceramic for weight and whatnot.
No it isn't. I would rather seal chests all day than deal with a femoral artery rupture. I'm an EMT; what are you basing your opinions on?
Also, Tension pneumos arent the worst, tension hemopneumos are.
LOL and I totally overlooked where you said
No. Never. It is never easy to deal with a abdominal GSW. There are like 4 ways to "fix" (read: Make them survive the trip to the trauma center) a GSW to the chest as opposed to dealing with a GSW to the abdomen that just so happens to slam into your liver or kidneys.
being mobile is more important than being armored. if your plate extended all the way down, how would you bend over?
engagements usually happen when it's dark or when people are far away from each other behind cover. You probably won't notice right away if they're wearing armor.
the problem with steel is spall. when the bullet hits, you get fucked up by your own plate after a few shots, and the anti spall coating only last for a few shots anyhow. "steel multihit capability" is the biggest bullshit in the world, because just because the steel can take it doesn't mean you can.
2. you can amputate the patient. without surgery, in the hypothetical shtf situation OP's going to get shot in, how would you deal with a chest wound?
I also don't know an effective way to deal with hemothorax without a hospital.
if you're going to do it, do it right.
You CLEARLY have ZERO medical experience.
>Asherman chest seal
>FUCKING VAZELINE GAUZE, TIN FOIL, AND TAPE TO SEAL THE BACK AND ONE-WAY VALVE THE FRONT
If tension pneumo IS suspected:
Top fucking kek. Please never talk about emergency medical aid EVER again.
I was looking to buy ar500 armor and watched some videos on YouTube. Essentially the most important thing to take away is it's not about caliber with steel armor, it's speed. A .22-250 at supersonic speeds punched straight through steel armor like nothing.
all of which stall the problem, you have to replace the ncd eventually because it gets clogged full of shit. how many darts do you have?
also, doing a one way valve? fuck no, tape down all 4 sides, and use a ncd.
Are these shit?
They're super cheap, but I've had blackhawk stuff that's decent in the past, so I'm interested.
Also, I want to put it under a chest rig, so not only do I give zero shits about MOLLE PCs, but I don't want to look like an operator wanabee.
>being mobile part
All valid points you have there. I could possibly bend, just at the waist, but that wouldn't be very effective. Maybe design some sort of two-piece PC, one that covers the lower torso but is separate from the upper, possibly near the bottom of the ribcage to allow for ab movement? It would be smaller than the vital-area plate, and it wouldn't be a snug fit. But I srsly don't wanna get gut shot.
Also, without good lighting on the targets or night optics of some kind, I probably wouldn't engage anyone at night/in the dark. Unless I'm very close to them.
As for being behind cover, I wouldn't engage anyone unless they were in plain view or close enough to hit. I would not be in combat unless I took they by surprise, or they took me by surprise. In that case, I definitely would not notice if they had armor or not. I'd be more concerned with dipping out of there/flanking their position
I dont wanna be an operator tacticool af mall ninja
are there any "normal" looking PCs or do I have to design it myself? im talking like, civilian/not-in-the-armed-forces-and-i-DONT-want-you-to-think-i-am stuff. I'm no operator.
I want to carry plates on me for protection, stuff that's like rated III/IV but I can over my shirt and under a coat. NOT for everyday use, just in my SHTF fantasies.
alternatively buy a Ferro concepts slickster.
>he doesn't know about ballistic mandibles and visors
>oh shit looks like that guy has a ballistic helmet on, good thing i just happen to carry a tok around
It only penetrates after multiple rounds hit the same place... as any other cartridge would. Now stay butthurt that this will follow you around because youre an attention whore with shitty gear.
good thing guys only shoot once.
with all the retarded shit you say I wouldn't be surprised that your plan involves just standing there letting some guy pump rounds in to over and over again with a tok from 7 yards. now stay butthurt you know even know what armor your poorfag handgun can penetrate day/k/are.
you're implying you can move faster than 1700 fps in under a second to avoid getting shot twice.
beyond that helmets purpose has always been to avoid explosive fragments, not bullets.
NIJ III AR500 plates are shit and will fail to stop M193 from a 16" barrel, NIJ III+ AR500 plates will protect against most everything you might go up against now depending on who makes them (some failing to M193 from a 24" barrel, others such as AR500 Armor's non lightweight NIJ III+ line are able to stop 7.62 NATO AP ammo). In a few years you might run into a problem though as the M855A1 that was adopted by the US military a few years back will penetrate all NIJ III+ AR500 plates when fired from a 16" barrel sans AR500 Armors non lightweight NIJ III+ line which will only fail if it's being fired from a 20" barrel. If you aren't concerned with M855A1 you can go with AR500 Armor's lightweight NIJ III+ line and get their 10x12 6.5 lb ASC plates for $140 each (as opposed to the ALSC which sacrifice quite a bit of coverage but weigh even less).
I got my Condor in today.
Similar question to OP, what are the most cost effective 10x12 plates I can get that can stop a 7.62x54? Are ones rated that high going to be heavy as hell? Should I just get the ones that stop bullshit .223 & 7.62x39?
But what kind? The only armor I've heard of is ar500 and spartan armor. I'm pretty set on steel because I don't care much about the weight, I wanna see what it's like being a fat guy anyway, and it can take multiple hits.
Also I was the fag that posted the condor thread the other day. Sorry I didn't know it was a meme, I don't lurk gear threads often enough. It doesn't seem to be terrible quality, but its not up to par with other tactical gear I have (even my no-brand pack for example). If it rips I decided on the beez plate carrier with molle to replace it.
>I'm pretty set on steel because I don't care much about the weight
oh you soon will once you get your carrier setup with a full ammo load. I have decent ceramics and its somewhat tiring just sitting around with the vest on.
>But what kind?
Its more important to state your budget
>I'm just big boned
Small will offer coverage of vitals for the vast majority of the population.
>I don't care much about the weight
>it can take multiple hits
If you ever develop your kit enough, you will probably get to well over 50 pounds of shit with steel plates - and that's without a sustainment pack. Weight will make a difference with a gallon of water, a day or two of food, 8-12 loaded mags, and any other bs you want to include in your kits. Ceramics are just better in every regard. Ceramics are rated to a minimum number of spaced hits anyways. There is no point to steel when the cheapest ceramics are just above 100 obongo bux a plate.
Interceptor a shit. I wore one for 5 years before it was replaced
Spend your money on other things. Your first priority should be not getting shot, not how to mitigate the effects of being shot. You will be much more effective with a chest or belt rig, staying highly mobile and out maneuvering your opponent.
Do not do this. Even if you wanted to, your PC probably won't support the extra plate.
>Small will offer coverage of vitals for the vast majority of the population.
lol no, pic related is a medium plate
6'4" masterrace, stay jelly manlet
The difference between small and medium is half an inch in width and 3/4 an inch in height, if you somehow can use medium but cannot forgo that 1/2 by 3/4 inch difference I'd like to see that. The correct sizing is to cover the sternum and down to the 9th rib. The biggest difference in sapi sizes is height and not width. A large size SAPI is still barely an inch wider than a small, which is not that much compared to their height differences. For the average person in the US if they place an 11 inch tall piece of paper to the top of their sternum the bottom will likely be just shy of their 9th rib by an inch or so. That also happens to be the exact size of a small plate.
How many inches is it from the top of your sternum to your 9th rib?
>I dont know how to calculate surface area
Small 102 sq/in
Medium 118 sq/in
Large 149 sq/in
>A large size SAPI is still barely an inch wider than a small
Yet has 50% more surface area
special snowflake body armor coming through
already posted that here>>28537895 and ordered my own set of HASPs
>evading the question: the post
Show me the average person cannot forgo the 1/2 by 3/4 inch difference between a small and medium plate or measure from your sternum to your 9th rib.
>The average person should forgo 20% less coverage
Its pretty fucking easy to size a plate, buy the same size as t-shirt you wear, assuming you dont dress like a nigger. If you wear small sized t-shirts then you're a manlet. End of story.
I did, the numbers are slightly off but the differences between sizes remains essentially the same.
>you bought the special snowflake armor?
Just their level IV plates (which are just Hesco 4600s - not even rebranded as they picture on their website) and their shoulder plates, I dont have no plans to order that silly plate carrier because of the proprietary mounting system for pouches and limited area to mount shit to.
>It's because of the pauldrons isn't it?
Yes because fuck Crye Precision wanting 3x as much for essentially the same thing.
Depends on load out.
Going light to semi light a condor will do
Medium then a good surplus or other carriers
Heavy a pig will do great.
My condor so far lasted pretty well with 3 rifle mags and 4 pistol mags and soft inserts. Only thing is you'll want to reinforce the cumnerbun and maybe the shoulder strap if there somewhat loose. Few miles here and there , hiking and running it hasn't fell apart or any rips.
As for the plates it depends on your want for protection and weight. Ceramic is great for stopping high level threats like 30-06 AP and high velocity rounds no problem but shit at taking multiple blows , also has a life span but it dosent really matter as long as you take care of them. Also that 3 - 4lbs.
Steel ( talking ar500+ ) can stop greater threats than its counter part but still has trouble with taking UP close ( 0-25 yards ) high velocity shots and some AP rounds , but can soak up a ungodly amount of rounds from lesser threats and lesser velocity. Weights a bit ( 7 lbs for regular and I think 5 for the lightweight. ).
Depends on what you want and cost. Either way they will protect you. Just food for thought.
>20% less coverage of non-vitals is mandatory
>just buy your t-shirt size bro
Or you know you could use the plates to protect your vital organs from a front and/or rear hit. But hey let's not get into the specifics of actually measuring whether or not we need that 20% more coverage so we don't get grazing boo-boos to our sides :^)
I got a set of these:
to go into one of these:
and I was pleasantly surprised how well I could conceal it
Definetly is a very, very solid option if you ever happen to be in a situation where you want the protection of steel but the concealment of soft body armor
My philosophy is layers of equipment so I can customize what I need and when I need it...
I use a pretty basic chest rig for mags and accessories and this concealment plate carrier.
The optional shoulder pads make it easier to wear long term ( 4+ hour ) but if you're not a little bitch, the standard straps work well enough ( total weight of both of those plates inside of concealment carrier comes out to 13.75lbs so it is lighter than I expected )
I'm not a retard that thinks I will ever need to throw on battle gear and fight in the street against the big bad wolf.
I've worn my concealment plate carrier with plates + conceal carry pistol on me during random times or when I go to shittier parts to kinda test it and get a feel for it...
Very nice to know if I ever need to get somewhere I can have the protection of a plate carrier with steel plates without all the headache and attention that comes with a plate carrier and all that gear people usually run off of their rigs.
Guys, do you think that's enough protection? Higly probable that i won't be shot at with AP rifle rounds. 5a Russian gost plates, can stop special ap 7.62x39 and steel core 54r. Good thing that these plates are very light and thin.