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I want to get an entry level plate carrier / plate setup. I don't know much about this shit, I want something that is decent, and good value. Is a SAPI plate worth the enormous cost increase over AR500? Is there a better option? Help, I have nothing to attach my edgy moral patches to.

What I'm currently considering:

http://www.beezcombatsystems.com/AR500-Plate-Carrier-3-Cell-Elastic-Cummerbund-BCS-AR500-3cell.htm

+

http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-body-armor/level-iv-body-armor.html
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Let me go make some popcorn for this brewing shitstorm.

Also: "Condor"
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If you need a plate carrier you'll be issued one
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>>28528559
What's your budget?
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>>28528714

300-500 USD total for everything.
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Interceptor body armor can be found for 150-200 if you don't mind surplus.
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>>28528559

beez isn't the most retarded choice but ar500 is fucking garbage penetrable by some of the most common calibers and bullet types available.

Can't afford it? Then start saving money because if you buy AR500 you're basically throwing that cash in the trash anyway.
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>>28528698
>NEED
Fuck off.

Also, beez is good. I have one. Also check out Spartan Armor Systems. Their Ceramic Plates are amazing in tests.
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>>28528698
>If you need a gun you'll be issued one
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>>28528867
this is essentially what I was wondering, if buying an AR500 plate was buying in at the wrong level

>>28528868
Thanks
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>>28528868
>Spartan Armor Systems
http://www.thetargetman.com/product/level-iv-spartan-body-armor-triple-curve-comfort/

Is this what you're referring to?
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>>28528922
>http://www.thetargetman.com/product/level-iv-spartan-body-armor-triple-curve-comfort/
Yeah, a little more expensive but worth the extra cost, especially with Beez since their carriers are designed for these plates, or at least mine is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu4GH7FhrMg

Here is the test. Long video but shows all their plates being tested.
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>>28528943
Thanks man, which PC from Beez did you get and do you like it?
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>>28528959
This one. The Ar500 Cumber, but it looks like they changed it a bit. I haven't got a change to run it yet since I haven't bought plates since I just bought a new car.
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>>28528990
Looks like a good setup, I'll probably buy the Ar500 Cumber + front plate initially and then rear plate later.

Thanks for the help.
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>>28529007
No problem.
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>>28528868
>Their Ceramic Plates are amazing in tests.
>They perform like every other ceramic plate
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>ITT: People who plan on getting shot.
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>>28529171
Nigga I got a job, I can spend my money on shit I don't need
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>>28528867
III+ is good to go, watch some tests
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>>28528867
Good to know, I was also considering this since it's the only plates i've seen advertised. I've also seen some test vids, I wouldn't buy anything less than >>28529281 what anon said
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Question about this shit, is there any reason to double up on plates? Like would it be retarded and pointless to do so or would it help stop larger calibers, would most PC not be able to fit more than one plate in them? I have neither a PC or plates so I have no idea. Educate me please?
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Highcom has some sweet sales for certain holidays.
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>>28529327
Probably wouldn't fit and would be retarded anyways. Just get the highest level plate and trauma pads to go with it.
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>>28529327
redundant and super fucking heavy, pcs prolly couldnt fit them anyway
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>>28529327
Twice the weight. Also I don't think carriers could fit two plates.
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>>28529357
>>28529348
>>28529347
Not fitting is something I assumed. I don't know how much they weigh each so I didn't really think of that. So a new question:
Whats the highest rating available to civilians, and what calibers does it protect against?

also, what are trauma pads exactly?
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>>28529374
Level IV is the highest available that I know of. Protects up to 30.06
And trauma pads (help) absorb the energy transfer and impact from plate deformation caused by the impact.
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>>28529387
Thanks man. Have any recommendations, that are not listed in thread so far? Plate brands, PC brands, and trauma pad brands?

And I ask for your opinions on this as well: PC or full body armor? Pros and cons? Pic related
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>>28529434
>>28529434
Im the same guy who recommended the targetman/beez combo sorry man
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>>28529439
Ain't no thang. I appreciate that advice regardless
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>>28529434
deff a PC

crye, pig, lbt are top tier
just no loadbearing condor stuff, pouches or watever are fine tho
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>>28528943
I like this vid and these plates, but I have a concern

I'm not a fat dude, but I'm a pretty big, tall guy. Why do all the plates I've seen (these and others) seem so small? I know weight's an issue but I'd rather carry around an extra couple lbs for better insurance.
I feel if I was wearing the plates shown in the vid, my lower stomach would be completely exposed. Do they make plates for big+tall? Lol
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>>28529501
you don't wear plates to cover your stomach, you wear them to cover your vitals
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>>28529501
b-but muh intestines
Sorta vital to me

I don't wanna get rekt'd m8.
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>>28528559
>>>28508687
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>>28529387
>Not knowing about XSAPI

>>28529501
Most people use medium SAPI cut plates. I'm 6'4" 210 and have large SAPIs (Hesco 4600). Most companies make them in up to XL sizes.
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>>28529327
>double up on plates
http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/
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>>28529564
oh man. good stuff.
I'm just looking for clarifying information. Not mall ninja-tier. Not stuper into tacticool stuff

thanks for that link tho
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>>28529533
skip to like 3:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CreBI5tPfVs

they also make this kinda stomach armor carrier thing for people into that kinda thing, unnecessary though
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>>28529533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC6RspjZYD4&list=UU35anPFZ0jqufRh8UhY9uog&feature=iv&src_vid=CreBI5tPfVs&annotation_id=annotation_3335215537
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>>28529564
The only thing worse than that autist was the guy who felt it necessary to archive the autism
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>>28529592
>>28529583
thanks for these, definitely clarified some things for me. But as someone with more experience in these things, why do you think stomach protection is unnecessary? I literally want to protect everything inside me. Getting gut shot would be terrifying and probably excruciatingly painful

I know if I saw a dude with chest protection I'd probably just go for his lower torso. I'm sure he'd drop.

But again, no exp in these type of things. I'm trying to learn and get into it
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>>28528867
>ar500 is fucking garbage penetrable by some of the most common calibers
could you source this or go into detail?
Because I wasn't able to penetrate the one i bought and I shot it from anything from .22 to 7mm Mag and haven't penetrated it.
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Any reviews on: http://www.gearhog.com/?did=68895
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>>28528559
Pic related. Need anything else?
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>>28528559
Beez is a good brand. You might want to go with ceramic for weight and whatnot.

https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/hard-plates/hard-plate-10-x-12-alum-level-4-stand-alone/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/cameronz/draft-ar500-armor-lightweight-level-iii-plates-review/
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Someone please post that juggernaut armor guide pic.
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I have a TAG Vanguard and really like it
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>>28528730
really? you can do better given you'll spend $300 on the plates,
cyre jpc
first spear stt
mayflower apc

all $250 and under.
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what if they shoot you in the face?
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>>28529171
>people who would rather not die on the off chance they get shot

it's significantly easier to deal with a injured limb or a gut shot than it is to deal with tension pneumothorax
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>>28528559
PIG plate carriers are GOAT if you have the cash.
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>>28531296
No it isn't. I would rather seal chests all day than deal with a femoral artery rupture. I'm an EMT; what are you basing your opinions on?

Also, Tension pneumos arent the worst, tension hemopneumos are.
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>>28531296
LOL and I totally overlooked where you said
>gut shot
No. Never. It is never easy to deal with a abdominal GSW. There are like 4 ways to "fix" (read: Make them survive the trip to the trauma center) a GSW to the chest as opposed to dealing with a GSW to the abdomen that just so happens to slam into your liver or kidneys.
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>>28529656
being mobile is more important than being armored. if your plate extended all the way down, how would you bend over?
engagements usually happen when it's dark or when people are far away from each other behind cover. You probably won't notice right away if they're wearing armor.

>>28530308
the problem with steel is spall. when the bullet hits, you get fucked up by your own plate after a few shots, and the anti spall coating only last for a few shots anyhow. "steel multihit capability" is the biggest bullshit in the world, because just because the steel can take it doesn't mean you can.

>>28531323
1. cockplate
2. you can amputate the patient. without surgery, in the hypothetical shtf situation OP's going to get shot in, how would you deal with a chest wound?
I also don't know an effective way to deal with hemothorax without a hospital.
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if you're going to do it, do it right.

sapi
http://bulletproofme.com/RP-Level-4-Stand-Alone.html
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>>28531430
You CLEARLY have ZERO medical experience.
>Asherman chest seal
>HALO seal
>FUCKING VAZELINE GAUZE, TIN FOIL, AND TAPE TO SEAL THE BACK AND ONE-WAY VALVE THE FRONT

If tension pneumo IS suspected:
>Needle Decompression

Top fucking kek. Please never talk about emergency medical aid EVER again.
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>>28531430
No one would ever amputate anyone in the field. Ever.
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>>28530308
I was looking to buy ar500 armor and watched some videos on YouTube. Essentially the most important thing to take away is it's not about caliber with steel armor, it's speed. A .22-250 at supersonic speeds punched straight through steel armor like nothing.
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>>28531581
all of which stall the problem, you have to replace the ncd eventually because it gets clogged full of shit. how many darts do you have?
also, doing a one way valve? fuck no, tape down all 4 sides, and use a ncd.

>>28531595
probably not
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>>28528698
Who decides this?
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>>28529554
Where does one purchase/research XSAPI? I can only find dated info
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>>28529627
>all that autism can't possibly fit in one human
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Are these shit?
They're super cheap, but I've had blackhawk stuff that's decent in the past, so I'm interested.

Also, I want to put it under a chest rig, so not only do I give zero shits about MOLLE PCs, but I don't want to look like an operator wanabee.
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>>28531430
>being mobile part
All valid points you have there. I could possibly bend, just at the waist, but that wouldn't be very effective. Maybe design some sort of two-piece PC, one that covers the lower torso but is separate from the upper, possibly near the bottom of the ribcage to allow for ab movement? It would be smaller than the vital-area plate, and it wouldn't be a snug fit. But I srsly don't wanna get gut shot.

Also, without good lighting on the targets or night optics of some kind, I probably wouldn't engage anyone at night/in the dark. Unless I'm very close to them.

As for being behind cover, I wouldn't engage anyone unless they were in plain view or close enough to hit. I would not be in combat unless I took they by surprise, or they took me by surprise. In that case, I definitely would not notice if they had armor or not. I'd be more concerned with dipping out of there/flanking their position
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>>28531430
>the problem with steel is spall
AR500 turtlenecks and scarves when?
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I dont wanna be an operator tacticool af mall ninja

are there any "normal" looking PCs or do I have to design it myself? im talking like, civilian/not-in-the-armed-forces-and-i-DONT-want-you-to-think-i-am stuff. I'm no operator.
I want to carry plates on me for protection, stuff that's like rated III/IV but I can over my shirt and under a coat. NOT for everyday use, just in my SHTF fantasies.
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>>28533284
ar500 sells exactly what youre talking about
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>>28533443
oh rearry? But is AR500 good? People been shitting on them ITT
see>>28528867
But it's probably just bias

ill check it out
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>>28533381
>>28532345
?
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>>28533467
what?
>>28532345
and
>>28533381
are seperate people. I am
>>28533381
in case you wanted to know.
why the"?"
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>>28533381
LBT slick, PIG brigandine
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>>28533466
people are just buttmad that something came out that costs half as much as what they paid for their shit, III+ will stop anything that you would actually get shot with if shtf
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>>28533502
Isn't >>28532345 what you're looking for>
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>>28533595
Possibly...I'll keep that one in mind while I continue narrowing my choices
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>>28529171
>wears a seat belt
>must be a bad driver
Here's your (you)
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>>28533634
alternatively buy a Ferro concepts slickster.
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>>28531294

Then you're dead and you have nothing to worry about.
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>>28531294
>he doesn't know about ballistic mandibles and visors
laughingsluts.tif
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>>28533892
gimme more deets. i want one
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>>28533892
thats IIIA. it's meant to stop grenade fragments
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>>28533939
>it's meant to stop grenade fragments
And 44mags

>>28533919
Ops core and other people make them. Go to tnvc.com and go wild with their helmet builder.
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>>28534043
fucking nice, thanks
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>>28534043
>44 mags
and yet wont stop that 7.62 tok thats readily available.
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>>28534161
>oh shit looks like that guy has a ballistic helmet on, good thing i just happen to carry a tok around
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>>28534220
point is the helmet is only designed to take slow heavy bullets.
any guy with a rifle will still dome you
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>>28534161
oh hey, its a trip saying retarded things again, how surprising. 7.62 tok doesn't penetrate IIIa you retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_3_DBeU_HI

>inb4 mac is a kike shill
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>>28534248
I don't know what sort of crack you're smoking but .44 magnum is substantially faster than military loads of Tokarev
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>>28534349
>>28534371

did you even watch that video?
it went straight through
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>>28534763
It only penetrates after multiple rounds hit the same place... as any other cartridge would. Now stay butthurt that this will follow you around because youre an attention whore with shitty gear.
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>>28534784
>2 rounds
>multiple
good thing guys only shoot once.
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>>28534795
with all the retarded shit you say I wouldn't be surprised that your plan involves just standing there letting some guy pump rounds in to over and over again with a tok from 7 yards. now stay butthurt you know even know what armor your poorfag handgun can penetrate day/k/are.
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>>28534825
you're implying you can move faster than 1700 fps in under a second to avoid getting shot twice.
beyond that helmets purpose has always been to avoid explosive fragments, not bullets.
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>>28534901
>He thinks bullet speed is the same as "aim and fire" speed
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>>28528559
NIJ III AR500 plates are shit and will fail to stop M193 from a 16" barrel, NIJ III+ AR500 plates will protect against most everything you might go up against now depending on who makes them (some failing to M193 from a 24" barrel, others such as AR500 Armor's non lightweight NIJ III+ line are able to stop 7.62 NATO AP ammo). In a few years you might run into a problem though as the M855A1 that was adopted by the US military a few years back will penetrate all NIJ III+ AR500 plates when fired from a 16" barrel sans AR500 Armors non lightweight NIJ III+ line which will only fail if it's being fired from a 20" barrel. If you aren't concerned with M855A1 you can go with AR500 Armor's lightweight NIJ III+ line and get their 10x12 6.5 lb ASC plates for $140 each (as opposed to the ALSC which sacrifice quite a bit of coverage but weigh even less).
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I got my Condor in today.

Similar question to OP, what are the most cost effective 10x12 plates I can get that can stop a 7.62x54? Are ones rated that high going to be heavy as hell? Should I just get the ones that stop bullshit .223 & 7.62x39?
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>>28536367
>Condor
lol, fucking faggot
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>>28534957
>he thinks "aim and fire" speed isn't the gun's cyclic rate divided by 60.
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>>28536457
I'm asking a serious question though.
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>>28537024
Just get regular SAPI plates in either medium or small.
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>>28537070
>small
manlet confirmed
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>>28536367
I got my plates off eBay...front and back level 3 plates for 99 bucks. Better than nothing I suppose though I got them in a shitty airsoft carrier my buddy gave me
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>>28537070
But what kind? The only armor I've heard of is ar500 and spartan armor. I'm pretty set on steel because I don't care much about the weight, I wanna see what it's like being a fat guy anyway, and it can take multiple hits.

Also I was the fag that posted the condor thread the other day. Sorry I didn't know it was a meme, I don't lurk gear threads often enough. It doesn't seem to be terrible quality, but its not up to par with other tactical gear I have (even my no-brand pack for example). If it rips I decided on the beez plate carrier with molle to replace it.
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>>28537174
>I'm pretty set on steel because I don't care much about the weight
oh you soon will once you get your carrier setup with a full ammo load. I have decent ceramics and its somewhat tiring just sitting around with the vest on.

>But what kind?
Its more important to state your budget
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>>28537174
>But what kind?
Just search for "SAPI" on Ebay... jeez
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>>28537119
>I'm just big boned

Small will offer coverage of vitals for the vast majority of the population.

>>28537174
>I don't care much about the weight
>it can take multiple hits

If you ever develop your kit enough, you will probably get to well over 50 pounds of shit with steel plates - and that's without a sustainment pack. Weight will make a difference with a gallon of water, a day or two of food, 8-12 loaded mags, and any other bs you want to include in your kits. Ceramics are just better in every regard. Ceramics are rated to a minimum number of spaced hits anyways. There is no point to steel when the cheapest ceramics are just above 100 obongo bux a plate.
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>>28528774
Interceptor a shit. I wore one for 5 years before it was replaced

>>28528730
Spend your money on other things. Your first priority should be not getting shot, not how to mitigate the effects of being shot. You will be much more effective with a chest or belt rig, staying highly mobile and out maneuvering your opponent.

>>28529327
Do not do this. Even if you wanted to, your PC probably won't support the extra plate.
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>>28537615
>Small will offer coverage of vitals for the vast majority of the population.
lol no, pic related is a medium plate

>big boned
6'4" masterrace, stay jelly manlet
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>>28537895
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>>28538019
>doesnt have any reference for size for the plate or body
>lungs still aren't covered
you're still a manlet for recommending small plates
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>>28538167
The difference between small and medium is half an inch in width and 3/4 an inch in height, if you somehow can use medium but cannot forgo that 1/2 by 3/4 inch difference I'd like to see that. The correct sizing is to cover the sternum and down to the 9th rib. The biggest difference in sapi sizes is height and not width. A large size SAPI is still barely an inch wider than a small, which is not that much compared to their height differences. For the average person in the US if they place an 11 inch tall piece of paper to the top of their sternum the bottom will likely be just shy of their 9th rib by an inch or so. That also happens to be the exact size of a small plate.

How many inches is it from the top of your sternum to your 9th rib?
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>>28538354
>I dont know how to calculate surface area
Small 102 sq/in
Medium 118 sq/in
Large 149 sq/in

>A large size SAPI is still barely an inch wider than a small
Yet has 50% more surface area
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special snowflake body armor coming through

http://hoplitearmor.com/
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>>28538477
already posted that here>>28537895 and ordered my own set of HASPs
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>>28538468
>evading the question: the post

Show me the average person cannot forgo the 1/2 by 3/4 inch difference between a small and medium plate or measure from your sternum to your 9th rib.
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>>28538468
The irony is that you calculated the surface area of a square.
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>>28538561
>The average person should forgo 20% less coverage
Its pretty fucking easy to size a plate, buy the same size as t-shirt you wear, assuming you dont dress like a nigger. If you wear small sized t-shirts then you're a manlet. End of story.

>>28538581
I did, the numbers are slightly off but the differences between sizes remains essentially the same.
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>>28538494
you bought the special snowflake armor? It's because of the pauldrons isn't it?
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>>28538657
>you bought the special snowflake armor?
Just their level IV plates (which are just Hesco 4600s - not even rebranded as they picture on their website) and their shoulder plates, I dont have no plans to order that silly plate carrier because of the proprietary mounting system for pouches and limited area to mount shit to.

>It's because of the pauldrons isn't it?
Yes because fuck Crye Precision wanting 3x as much for essentially the same thing.
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>>28528559

Depends on load out.

Going light to semi light a condor will do

Medium then a good surplus or other carriers

Heavy a pig will do great.

My condor so far lasted pretty well with 3 rifle mags and 4 pistol mags and soft inserts. Only thing is you'll want to reinforce the cumnerbun and maybe the shoulder strap if there somewhat loose. Few miles here and there , hiking and running it hasn't fell apart or any rips.

As for the plates it depends on your want for protection and weight. Ceramic is great for stopping high level threats like 30-06 AP and high velocity rounds no problem but shit at taking multiple blows , also has a life span but it dosent really matter as long as you take care of them. Also that 3 - 4lbs.

Steel ( talking ar500+ ) can stop greater threats than its counter part but still has trouble with taking UP close ( 0-25 yards ) high velocity shots and some AP rounds , but can soak up a ungodly amount of rounds from lesser threats and lesser velocity. Weights a bit ( 7 lbs for regular and I think 5 for the lightweight. ).

Depends on what you want and cost. Either way they will protect you. Just food for thought.
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>>28538614
>20% less coverage of non-vitals is mandatory
>just buy your t-shirt size bro

Or you know you could use the plates to protect your vital organs from a front and/or rear hit. But hey let's not get into the specifics of actually measuring whether or not we need that 20% more coverage so we don't get grazing boo-boos to our sides :^)
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I got a set of these:

http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-lightweight-11-x-14-level-iii-alsc-body-armor.html

to go into one of these:

http://www.ar500armor.com/concealment-plate-carrier-coyote-proline.html


and I was pleasantly surprised how well I could conceal it


Definetly is a very, very solid option if you ever happen to be in a situation where you want the protection of steel but the concealment of soft body armor
My philosophy is layers of equipment so I can customize what I need and when I need it...

I use a pretty basic chest rig for mags and accessories and this concealment plate carrier.


The optional shoulder pads make it easier to wear long term ( 4+ hour ) but if you're not a little bitch, the standard straps work well enough ( total weight of both of those plates inside of concealment carrier comes out to 13.75lbs so it is lighter than I expected )


I'm not a retard that thinks I will ever need to throw on battle gear and fight in the street against the big bad wolf.


I've worn my concealment plate carrier with plates + conceal carry pistol on me during random times or when I go to shittier parts to kinda test it and get a feel for it...

Very nice to know if I ever need to get somewhere I can have the protection of a plate carrier with steel plates without all the headache and attention that comes with a plate carrier and all that gear people usually run off of their rigs.
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Guys, do you think that's enough protection? Higly probable that i won't be shot at with AP rifle rounds. 5a Russian gost plates, can stop special ap 7.62x39 and steel core 54r. Good thing that these plates are very light and thin.
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>>28541394
All I want is protection up to 7.62x54r in case dem ruskies invade. Preferably steel.

Any recommendations?
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>>28541651
>ruskies
Chinamen
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What's a lightweight and concealable soft vest that you would recommend? Only want one for SHTF, I'll train in it though
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Can i have some unboxing?
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>>28533381
solid color plate carriers. slick carriers without molle webbing.
pig brig
first spear slick
lbt 6094 slick
there's lots of them
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>>28541394
level iv standalones are perfectly fine and kind of the market standard right now
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>>28543103
I think they are a little less protective than IV nij.
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What would you combine a slick PC with, if you wanted to carry some stuff?

A tactical belt?
A chest rig?
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