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didn't see anything in the catalog
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M1A owner here. I saw that vid before on Full30. I'm glad they did it. It was a wake-up call.

I'll be sure not to get into any battles in sandstorms.
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>>28524213
arent these the guys who used a broken romanian parts AK in a test. Yeahhhh Im sure NOTHING is skewed in their tests or lied about. Moron.
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>>28524389
>M-Monkey model!
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>>28524213
>guns with exposed parts jam when you spray a constant stream of sand into them
>a gun with a small ejection port and no exposed parts is less likely to jam

what are they trying to prove? if they poured an equal amount of sand into the ejection port of the AR it would jam during lock up just like the others
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>>28524213
Incoming AKfag buttmad, git ready for it.
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>>28524426
>if they poured an equal amount of sand into the ejection port of the AR it would jam during lock up just like the others

That's the point is that the AR wont allow as much dust and debris get inside the action in the first place.
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>>28524426
They're dispelling the myth that the AK is indestructible.
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>>28524426
are you actually shit-posting youtube gun channel conspiracy theories?

>>28524426
The idea, I think, is that they want to test weapons in a somewhat realistic way. Spraying sand on an rifle while shooting makes more sense than intentionally placing sand into places where you know it will lock up
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>>28524509
Mean to quote >>28524389
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>>28524470
>>28524509
Let me open weapon A and stick gravel in it
Let me leave weapon B together and only poor in the ejection port mud and non coarse sand

Weapon A jammed...Really...REALLY!?!?
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>>28524426
>if they poured an equal amount of sand into the ejection port of the AR it would jam during lock up just like the others
Actually it doesn't. Watch their mud test. They shovel mud on top of the open ejection port, and it still functions flawlessly (except it failing to lock open).

Or just watch the video you're bitching about and see as they spray the same amount of dirt into the AR's action while firing.
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>>28524529
every video with a comparrison is biased. This one is no different and the fact he chose a shit tier parts AK in a previous vid thats been OPENED vs a brand new AR speaks volumes.
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>>28524546
But it's the shit tier parts and loose tolerances which make the AK-47 so reliable
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>>28524546
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>>28524562
let me take an AR fully apart dump it in mud reassemble then stuff rocks around the bolt and try to shoot it
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>>28524546
I don't get it. The AK failed the test with its dust cover closed. The AR passed the test with its dust cover open. I mean, you can't even refute it.

>brand new AR
I'm willing to bet that any AR would pass the mud test that they did. You should ask them to re-test with an older, used AR.
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why the fuck do they keep testing the MAS? ain't nobody give a fuck about that. AR, M1A, AK should be the three they always test. or even just AR/AK.
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>>28524599
But that's not what they did to the AK.
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>>28524622
don't even waste your time, if he's accusing them of setting the AK up to fail from the get go then he'll find some reason why it's their fault and not the rifles

I own an AK even
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>>28524594
>not posting the full thing
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>muh romanian parts kit
>bawwwwwwwww
Assclowns ITT with nothing better to say.
AKs are AKs. Romanian parts or not.
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In before the excuses from butthurt Kalashnanuts.
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>>28524702
<3
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>>28524732
I simultaneously love/hate her.
Like i would beat her up and then fuck her.
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>>28524644
Not that anon but you damn well know the point he was making.
An ar needs a clean surface to be cleaned or adjusted.
An ak just needs to be disassembled and dropped on the ground infront of you.
They're just different operating arms entirely.
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>>28524534
So AK fags can't spell either
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too bad the m1a isn't important enough to be "modernized" by fitting it with something that covered the top of the action.

im sure it would be pretty easy to do and still allow it to eject properly.

unfortunately there's no need....
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>>28524623
Because it's an unsealed DI gun.
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>>28524389
but i though even a shitty ak that was buried in the ground for 50 years was more reliable than a new, high quality ar.
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>>28524213
>two seconds of spraying dirt into the M1A with the bolt locked back
Oh yeah, perfectly fine
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>>28524705
>do the same test with an Arsenal AK and a DPMS oracle
ARs are ARs. DPMS parts or not.
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>>28524213
M1A FAGS BTFO
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>>28525350
If you supply me with both, i'll do it.
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>>28524534
Oh fuck off tripfag.
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>>28524213
Holy shit, the M1A
>dirt sprayed for a single shot with the bolt closed
>jam
>clear jam
>wont cycle with no dirt sprayed
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>>28525350
yea I don't think anything would change, the actual milspec stuff isn't much different that DPMS
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>>28524389
>>28524426
>>28524534
>all this damage control
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>>28525372
What? If I had both, and cared so little about them that I was willing to just give them away, why wouldn't I just do it myself?

Anyways, that wasn't the point at all. The point was to show how stupid a comment like "AKs are AKs" is. If the test had gone like I described not a single AR fanboy would consider it valid and THEY would be the ones screaming "monkey model".

Also, I've already done stuff like this with my Arsenal AKs. And I know that they jam when they get shit in them, and I know it's easy for them to get shit inside them because of how open they are. ARs are a nice sealed system and that works for them.

>>28525428
Not the point, again, if the test had gone the opposite way the AR owners would be the ones making monkey model accusations.
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>>28524213
i was expecting an new video but this ones old as shit
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>>28524836
No one said they weren't anon. Stop being mad that the AK isn't as legendary as you spergs make it out to be
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>>28525470
>What? If I had both, and cared so little about them that I was willing to just give them away, why wouldn't I just do it myself?
You said do the same test yourself.
I ain't buyin that shit just to test it homie.
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This sand test has been on full 30 for almost a year.

I'm surprised this is making the rounds now
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>>28525483
No, I was supplying it as a rhetorical situation, I wasn't ordering you to do anything. Learn how greentext works newfag.
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>>28525509
nigga i been around since SAO.
First of all i'm just giving you shit.
Secondly I don't really care about which is better either way since no gun i own will get that dirty in the first place.
It's just fun seeing AK fags sweat.
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>>28524599
God you are fucking retarded, do you even own guns?
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>>28525475
this may shock you anon but I own both. Although I do like the ak more. Funner to shoot for me.
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>>28524326
>buying a "totally not a ripoff" archangel
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>>28524732
goddamn, weak jaw Swift is not hot
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>>28525536
I don't harbor any delusions about AK reliability, I have intentionally dirtied my AKs to the point of jamming and I know what will shut them down
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why the fuck are we talking about AKs, they were not even in the video
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>>28525569
Holy shit I didn't say anything about the AR or implied that it was better. Just let it go anon
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>>28525576
to archangels defense those stocks are a fucking TIGHT fit.

it does improve accuracy compared to GI fiberglass

nonetheless agreed. $300 that would be better put towards a sage chassis
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>>28525650
wtf is the point of a flashlight in place of a FSP?
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>>28525691
not saying its necessarily "bad" for the price (it is a stolen remake of a proven platform), but the only thing that I hate more than a ripoff is a guy who defends his "design" as an orignal idea.
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>>28525820
+ while I would love a JAE, I dont see myself buying one. If they still made the G2 for ~$800 then sure, but since they only make the $1800 G3 now Ill probably look at a Sage instead. Real bummer since the JAE is 10x more beautiful and functionally better
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>>28525767

Holy fuck this must be B8

Do you not see that the light is offset and sitting next to the FSB, not in place of it?
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>>28525874
lol nope
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>>28525861
i think JAEs are overpriced as fuck.

that's all i can say though because ive never used one.

agreed the Archangel design is a total ripoff of JAE
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>>28524389
It was a fair test on the grounds that the rifles were in the same condition an actual military would use them. You're not gonna find a lot of high quality versions of a rifle designed to be cheap above all other qualities except maybe in Russia, and you sure as hell aren't going to find large amounts of an expensive weapon anywhere. There really aren't that many AR's when you look at it.


Case in point, in Late-WW2 the USA had the Sherman and Germany had the Panther.

The Sherman was a turd, but it was a turd that could be shat out at speeds that would make even Andrew Jackson proud.

The Panther was one of the best German tanks of the war, but it took for-fucking-ever to make one.

Plus I'm pretty sure both Ian and Karl have said that they don't like the AK Platform and don't understand the appeal.

But here's the thing, which tank would win? The Sherman. Why? Because we could make thousands for every single German Panther that was even thought of.

And of course Ian has said before that he and Karl are biased against the AK. I think he said he didn't see the appeal or some other cop-out. Really he should of just stood his ground and openly bashed the AK like it desrves instead of pussying out and trying to reason out the argument. The AR deserves the same treatment but for different reasons.

TL:DR
It's fair because designs and muh history and interpretations of such.


Also jesus christ in an infant you faggots sure are stupid. Am I really the first one to interpret the video this way? Because it's been out for over a year now.
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>>28525997
The G3 is titanium, thus the $1800 pricetag, and its all the make now.
The G2 was aluminum, so $800, not all that unreasonable for a machined product of that size
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>>28525997
>>28525861
wood is good(er)
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>>28525861
Mismatched rings
Taller than the twin towers?
>At the other scope in the picture is good. Still has mismatched rings though
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>>28526041
not on an M1a. bedding is very important for these rifles. Thats why spansive stocks are so commonplace for them.
I wouldnt mind a beat on vietnam stock for mine though
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>>28525650
AK fags still anally anguished.
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>>28526037
got damn! i knew it had titanium parts but i didn't know the whole fucking thing was.

and that is why i gave up on JAE. the just keep going up and up

$800 aint bad, i paid a little less than that for my sage
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>>28526041
i wouldn't mind one of those sick ass "tiger striped" ones but we all know they go for big $$ and it ain't worth that to me.
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>>28524389
>N-no true AK
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>>28525650
AK fags damage control in completely irrelevant threads.

>>28524389
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fulton armory had sweet sale on a stock pile of old wood stocks in all conditions.

deal was you had to buy like a dozen of them or something.

I shoulda jumped on it when I had the chance. try and refinish em and if you fuck em up who cares
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>>28526035
>the sherman was a turd

This myth needs to die

>the Panther took for-fucking ever to make

You are full of shit once more
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>>28526098
mod 0?
At the end of the day do you regret anything? Im about to dive in but the appeal of a remington 700 is strong. I wouldnt have to deal with any inherent issues the rifle comes with factory.
I want 10" at 1000meters.
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>>28526137
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>>28526118
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>>28526161
yup

no i don't regret anything.

only cons:
buttpad rails are steel and will rust
crush washer sucks after a while - find the correct spacing and machine something yourself

will include last con in next photo

I don't have a range that far so I can't comment on that
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>>28526161
>10" at 1000meters
Just because a rifle can do 1" at 100m doesn't mean it will do 10" at 1000, you know.
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>>28526183
the one's i was referring to were even cheaper than that.
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>>28526161
last con

i found this little bugger one day on a detail strip. don't know how it happened or if it was the fault of my own. I could probly contact sage about it, but i might just wait for a catastrophic failure too
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>All that AKfag damage control
I'm not even an ARfag myself but the video's speak for themselves niggers.
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>>28526146
Honestly most WW2 US tanks look and act almost the fucking same so I might be thinking of the Lee or the Stuart or Pershing or Jimmy or Lacey or Nigger or Crocodile. Honestly I just needed a quick comparison and hoped I was thinking of the right tanks.

I was comparing the Stuart to the King Tiger wasn't I?


Anyway, my point still stands in comparison, and my point about bias definitely still stands so I'm just gonna call you a faggot.
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>>28526237
no shit, thats why I said 10" at 1000 meters.
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>>28526287
nother one

sage's op rod guide is a bit of a bitch to install too. make sure you have a block of wood and a rubber mallet
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>>28526310
Good luck with that.
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>>28524213
that's because the sand video has been on full 30 for like a year
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>>28526304
The cost of a Panther tank was marginally more than the Panzer IV in terms of Reichsmarks and the man hours necessary for its construction dropped dramatically throughout production and for similar reasons to why the Sherman was so easy to produce, massive facilities were devoted to its manufacture which allowed for previously unprecedented economies of scale.
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>>28526218
>>28526218
Id go for a mod1 if I went sage, still hoping to find a G2 used. Rail issue obviously wont be a problem.
Ill be going to school for machining in the summer, so thad be a neat project.
>tfw my welding instructor wont let me make a 4 winds in class, dosnt want a gun on campus
cant blame him, semi-sucks that he is a gunguy, I cant get anything past him

>>28526314
nigga call them up.
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>>28526319
thanks?
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>>28526380
hahaha, can't blame the guy on the 4 winds bit.

i bet you'll be able to machine all kinds of parts though, just say they're for something else ....or don't let him see them at all haha.

yeah i should. maybe in the next few days
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>>28526440
no one has a problem with me making shit for my guns, just amking guns period. Since it would be a felony anyway, I cant blame the guy, just looking out for both of us. Still funny that he recognized that shit right away
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>>28526118
No true Scottish ak
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>>28526483
right right. yeah that is pretty hilarious. I'm sure you're not the first to try getting away with making one.

i'm sure other people have made waaaaay more outlandish shit like that. he's probly seen it all hahaha
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>>28526331
WW2 tanks just fucking confuse me. I'll fucking admit it. The designs and designations just aren't that unique and the ones that are have entire books about them which I find boring. I find it interesting but I'd rather see something like a comparison or a cutaway disassembly.

But I know enough to argue that I'm not wrong when I said that the Panther was a better quality tank compared to the Sherman. If I'm not mistaken I think it was mostly because of the gun wasn't it?

Anyway, I'm done here.
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>>28526516
He has no problem with us making countless beating sticks which is neat.
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>>28526583
So you want to wallow in pop-historical ignorance rather than put in the hard work of reading a book.

Outstanding.
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>>28526627
Bahahahahahahaha! that's fuckin awesome!

I'm gonna catch some z's but before i go..

If you do decide on the Sage chassis, that "spacer" i was telling you to machine.

A guy on M14 forum was making them himself and selling them on there. I guess he's disappeared now. Anyways, he also included the necessary dimensions. You'll have to dig to find it but the thread is there. Might save you some trouble of research/guess work.

Good luck in all your endeavors /k/omrade!
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>>28526644
>Visual representations are ignorant and shouldn't exist and you should feel bad for learning from them.
So a 500 page book that could be visually explained in about 15 minutes, is better than...no please by all means explain how a book is better than a visual representation? 'Cause if so then why the fuck does forgottenweapons or any weaponry-based youtube channel...
Fuck it...yep. I'm done.


Hell, why bother using guns for fighting, a physical object or representation is ignorant. Use carefully worded letter or short story. That'll learn em.
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>>28526731
danke bruh. have a good one
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>>28526783
I see. Yet another example to confirm that people who regularly misuse ellipses are barely literate mouthbreathers.

http://www.amazon.com/Data-World-War-Tank-Engagements/dp/1470079062

Here you go. Read a fucking book and educate yourself. However, I do have a recommendation that should bring you up to speed before you read the previous recommendation and be generally beneficial and useful throughout your life.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Elements-Style-Fourth-Edition/dp/020530902X
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>>28526848
You honestly believe that teaching through a visual representation is wrong? Holy shit. I thought you were screwing with me. No, you honestly believe that the written word is the one and only way to educate. Jesus, I'd hate to see how fucked up your kids are.
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>>28526898

>>28526848
Maybe that was taking it a little to far, but I just don't see the point of explaing something like a tank using nothing but words when a picture or diagram is far better and easier.
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>>28526898
Because visual representation tends not be a large portion of all the facts about the Panther tank I just schooled your ass on.

>You honestly believe that teaching through visual representation is wrong?

That's not what I said at all.
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>>28524389
they compared a bottom of the barrel cheapest AR that they could get vs a mid range ak and youre complaining? dumbass nigger go kill yourself
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>>28526035
This is what I call autism
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>>28527034
>That's not what I said at all.

No, but you heavily implied it. Enough so to make me

>Because visual representation tends not be a large portion of all the facts about the Panther tank

That's why I was saying to put it in a diagram, whatever the tank equivalent of a cutaway, or a comparison. Something that describes the individual parts themselves and shows how they work in the tank.

>I just schooled your ass on.

Yes, insult people that oughta make em believe you. Actually no, like normal people, insulting me will make me less likely to believe you.

And you didn't school me, I openly admitted I wanted to learn more because I'm interested but not knowledgeable on the subject.

But in the end I win. No one here has argued my original points about bias and quality versus quantity from >>28526035


I really wish Ian had just stood his ground openly bashed the AK and then someone else whose reputable could openly bash the AR and neither side would fucking exist, then these stupid fucking arguments /k/ gets into nowadays wouldn't exist and we wouldn't get into some philosophical debate that isn't gonna matter in a few hours when this thread 404's.

>>28527144
I needed an analogue that would fit the metaphor. You got any other ideas that would fit?
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>>28527255
*Enough so to make me think that's what you were going for.

had it in a blue box, accidentally pressed delete instead of enter, didn't notice it until later.
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