To what extent is China's military development based on stealing US research? Is there any area where China is actually ahead?
Hyperfast projectiles. They are testing some things that are absolutely insanely fast.
Their military is well structured IMO, and if they need a peice of hardware to fit a niche, they make it on budget and on time.
>To what extent is China's military development based on stealing US research?
1. Define "stealing research".
2. "Define "military development" while you're at it.
In any case, the most basic answer is "More than the US likes, less than people actually believe".
Their latest dedicated EW bird has jamming receiver pods that looks like the ALQ-218.
In short: they're catching up, but they can't develop virtually anything on their own, additionally to constantly lying, hiding and exaggerating specs of their products. It's kinda the same deal like with the Chinese cars - they look fine, but only until you take a peek what's inside.
Chinese tanks. Wasted years trying to develop their own engines, then bought the license from Germans. After T-72B3 proves to be faster than Type 96 on tank biathlon, they immediately edit horsepower specs in every official source and advertisment sheet, then bring stripped down, "racing" version on the next competition.
Chinese jets, the same story. Can't create reliable and powerful engine. Every year they promise to let WS-10 and WS-15 into mass production, and every year they delay it again, despite the whole series being based on the old Canadian AL-31, which itself is a copy of American B-1 bomber engine. Still doesn't stop them from reassuring WS-15 will be better than AL-41F1 or F119.
Chinese proudly present J-10, first national multirole fighter jet that isn't based on Soviet designs - and then you discover the model itself was made by aerospace bureau in Novosibirsk.
Chinese announce 5 gen stealth fighter - and then you see that unpainted prototype consists of duralumin with yellow anticorrosive coating and no carbon.
If there's any area where they will be ahead in future is electronics. For anything else, Chinese lack fundamental science and research base.
holy shit so much wrong.
dont even want or know how to start.
>daily reminder that the Chinese will get their J-20 sooner and in greater numbers than the Russians their T-50
Also, the WS-10 is in service for years, with hundreds of planes flying with it already. And not one accident, compared to multiple accidents of Flankers and J-10s equipped with AL-31Fs..
Confirmed to be either a butthurt slav or just a burger who doesnt know better and instead parrots the same old cliches.
For Chinese cars - they are getting a lot better and that's from 2013:
>Chinese car takes 2013 top safety rating from Euro NCAP
>The Chinese built Qoros 3 was the best performer of any car subjected to Euro NCAP’s crash tests in 2013 and is the first vehicle developed in China to achieve the highest five star rating under the overall rating scheme.
Think of how you typed ''acceptall'' and stole US/Soviet tech in Hearts of Iron 2, remember?
That's what they do all the time. Their J21/31 development is total copy of the plans they stole from their hacking of Lockheed Martin in 2009.
Although, some high end manager could also allowed that ''hack'' to happen for some money as well, who knows.
From demonstrator to LRIP type.
Well, to be fair, it is a tough nut to crack.
>Their military is well structured IMO, and if they need a peice of hardware to fit a niche, they make it on budget and on time.
This cannot be repeated enough. They really do things on budget and on time:
51 ships commissioned from 2013-2015.
Nah, everything's basically based on the J-9 series that they have been working on and then abandoned in the late 70s.
The J-10 is based on the J-9VI-1, while the J-20 is based on the J-9VI-2
The J-9VI-1 later on got its chin-nose, which then became the J-10.
>Jet that size
>Will carry less than a Block5 F-35
And the J-9VI-2, originally intented to become some sort of dog-fight capable MiG-25 (but failed because China couldnt get an FBW working at that time), was to become the foundation of the J-20.
Space-wise, it has deeper and longer bays than both F-22 and F-35.
Only the PL-12Cs that they have been testing are too big to fit in more than four - and that's being very conservative, leaving lots of clearance between the rounds. Pic related.
With the PL-15 approaching service, the J-20 will have six internally carried 400km ranged ramjet powered BVRAAMs.
Another shot showing the depth of the bays.
ha oh fuck me thats hilarious
I feel like at this point its easier to describe Chinese equipment as what tech they're trying ever so cutely to rip off this time rather than their designations. Pretty sure it wouldn't stop be talking about anything.
Can we just call it the Meteor-F instead? for fake?
Yeah, might as well.
And trying going from no Navy to trying to match the numbers of the largest Navy in the world is a big difference, too. The USN has no particular need to suddenly start cranking out 20 ships at a time.
You assume we knew more about the 22 in the early 2000's?
The truth is it has come a long way in 5 years. Why? Lots and lots and lots of their best engineers and their best money.
The first flight was definitely in early 2011. That we know for sure because no one on Chinese social media mentioned it before that, and these chinks take pictures of EVERYTHING.
In the time it takes for the Block 5B to come around, the PL-15 will have emerged making the two planes similar in armament.
It's likely the J-20 will have a heavier armament load and more missiles sooner than the F-35 because the PL-15 is close to finished in testing.
The biggest problem the Chinese have is with metallurgy and material science in general. That's part of the reason their engines tend to under perform or have poor reliability.
Metallurgy and material science, but the production processes behind cutting edge materials is what they focus a lot of their hacking and spying effort on.
A generation behind USA and Europe, but 10 generations ahead of the African countries they're colonizing, and they got that technology for cheap without the need to pay licensing fees.
China has always been pretty smart about their military dollars. They only ever built ~300 nukes because it's enough for a deterrent. China doesn't need current gen planes because they'll never engage in direct operations against US, Russia or EU and invite nuclear conflict, so why spend the money?
>To what extent is China's military development based on stealing US research?
About tree fiddy
>Is there any area where China is actually ahead?
crustaceans from the paleolithic era
Nice sourceless ad hominem.
Here's the picture from Bloomberg of Chinese automobiles. J.D. Power finds that they have fewer defects than American cars.
It does not. I bet this article's picture source is of planned commissionings by their date.
Still it's generally accurate. China has been producing enormous amount of major naval combatants.
Not that guy, and I'll concede that the Chinese automobile industry is improving, as their market changes and expands along with demands changing, however a big contributor of shitty US cars is all the foreign built shit that gets thrown in them. For example you might have a Ford engine block cast in Mexico with worse QC, which then gets sent to the US for assembly and fucks up.
>building lots of small ships as make work means China's military is not rife with corruption, nepotism and old boys
There is a reason their current president is trying to clean house.
Well I'm not that fiddy centers so yeah. China is still in the relatively early stages of building up it's navy. It's biggest concerns for the immediate future are establishing a presence in the South China sea, and that starts with mostly low tonnage vessels and getting their logistics sorted out.
Explain the upcoming reform and restructuring, pls.
Spamming a bunch of hulls is useless if there's no well-developed doctrine to fit them into. China is working toward that end, but they're doing it ass backward.
It's more cost effective to create a doctrine first. Plan your work, then work your plan. Sticking a bunch of ships in the water is not the same as building a navy.
Probably genetic modification or chemical weapons/radiation/other illegal or frowned upon tech.
Basically anything that gives the UN more asshurt then normal, since godless commies don't care.
What an amazingly ignorant thing to say. Are you actually claiming that China is going to keep pushing out ships until a naval doctrine just miraculously appears?
Holy shit, that's stupidity of Biblical proportions right there.
>They hacked most of the 3rd party F22 and F35 manufacturers.
>china never innovates
stealing cutting-edge tech from a potential enemy by hacking isn't an innovative form of warfare?
chinese also have AESA radars with solid-state t/r elements, diverterless air intakes, radar absorbing materials and more.
just compare J-20 with PAK-FA. it's somewhere else entirely. china went from shitting out mig knockoffs right to the cutting edge, while russians are still stuck in 1980s
>>daily reminder that the Chinese will get their J-20 sooner and in greater numbers than the Russians their T-50
20 years is sooner than never
1 is greater than 0
>however a big contributor of shitty US cars is all the foreign built shit that gets thrown in them
American cars had been crap since the late 60's, when (the Japanese) competition arrived.
This was before Mexico made it even worse.