>>28521238 Yeah, for OPFOR training exercises. It wouldn't be the best idea to try to establish a supply chain for a bunch of captured weapons unlesd you're in dire straits or will be planning on using local factories during ocupation.
I imagine (because I don't have military experience) that you'd want to familiarize your soldiers with the enemy's weapons as well as their own. Captured though? Not likely. Probably bought them from the ruskies of another country that had them.
>>28521238 Only if it's a last resort kind of thing. If you have no more ammo for your own weapon then yeah, enemy weapons will work, but there are a few problems 1: access. If you're shooting guys from over here and they're all falling over there, then you probably can't reach their weapons. If they've overrun your spot then their weapons are close enough to grab, but you're probably past the point of caring what you're using at that point 2: more practically, it's a bad idea to use an enemy wepaon because battlefields are loud, chaotic places where people are working off a minimum of workable information. If you suddenly start firing at an enemy with an AK from the back of your group your teammates won't know "Oh it's Anon with his captured AK", they're just going to think "There's an AK popping off a few feet behind me". This problem is amplified in cities and jungles where you can't see more than a few feet
>>28521238 There was a unit in the SC National Guard that, while in Afghanistan, was doing a practice shoot with the LN's. One of the guys shot an RPG that detonated immediately and ended up getting seriously fucked up. I can't remember if he died though.
>>28521238 I've heard of this happening in say Vietnam, but that's a bit more understandable. One reason a lot of guys didn't, even though the AK was more reliable at that time was that the sound of an AK firing was a good indicator of where the enemy was, so you risked friendly fire by using one.
>>28521337 Some guys would pick them up because the early ARs with the issued ammo were shit. Chives discusses it in The Gun. But mostly, yeah. It makes sense for SOG especially when you consider some of the guys in there were still using grease guns and even Garands. One motherfucker even used a bow exclusively.
>>28521335 That is not true at all. The AK and AR have different firing sounds, and SF guys in Vietnam would use AK's to fuck with the enemy. They eventually stopped because friendlies were also tricked. It's about the full auto rhythm than just a single shot
Every time I deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, my units inherited a ton of captured weapons.
Most of the time the weapons just sat in the arms room. Though a few times we had ammo, magazines, and cool officers. So we took AKs, SVDs, Tariq pistols, and a few PPSH43s out to the range and did some plinking.
No matter how well I tried to reason. They would not let me replace my M16a4 with a SVD. Even when I was just doing tower guard duty. They understood why and even saw the logic in it. They just said it couldn't be done.
Bringing a SVD or a Tariq pistol back also couldn't be done. Even though they are perfectly legal to own.
>>28521331 >>28521348 I think at this point the "traded my 16 for an AK because reliability" story has been snuffed as rumor. Makes much more sense that they would use them to help mask themselves. M16 fire and 5.56 casings are a pretty good indication that Americans are/have been in the area. AKs help cover your tracks, would be easier to source ammo for on raids in a desperate situation, AND have the nice side effect of being more reliable and having larger mags. I'm absolutely sure they liked the AK more for reliability, but it seems like a stretch as the deciding factor of whether or not to keep a current gun
>>28521238 Not if it can be helped. You're (collectively) unfamiliar with the manual of arms, you may be mistaken for an enemy yourself, and the third round down the magazine might well have plastic "propellant".
>>28521348 >Some guys would pick them up because the early ARs with the issued ammo were shit.
ARs were issued ammunition with wrong kind of powder since the military wanted to cut costs. Rifles issued didn't have the chromed parts designed by Stoner because? ..Guessed it? Cutting costs. The military even believed that "the space age toygun" was so advanced it didn't need maintenance so the troops weren't issued with any tools or instructions on that either.. This is where all the myths of ARs being absolute shit originate from. Cost cutting and ignorant believe in absolute superiority of American engineering.
I'm an AK man myself but AR is not the shit rifle people try to make it out to be. But in Vietnam it was totally the useless piece of scrapmetal and plastic the modern day AK guys try to make it out to be and even more.
I read a book once set during the Seige of Leningrad. The main characters survive the entire time, then one of them gets shot right on the last 10 pages because he was carrying a captured MP40 and a Soviet sniper shoots him without hesitation.
>>28521387 There are regs for bringing back captured items, according to the DOD
Basically you can take unit patches and shit like that, but not a whole lot else.
And (unless I'm mistaken) in order to import any firearm you need an FFL. It's also worth noting, that while it is legal to own an SVD, they are not legal to import. At least if they're russian or chinese
I know all this, but I'm not speaking from my ass here. I'm basing this from interviews with vets. I have a degree in history. I'm not saying the reputation was 100 percent deserved, but I'm not saying it 100 percent wasn't either. The first thing they teach you in history is that nothing is ever 100 percent.
>>28521404 Armor was really good. She had a OCD Nazi record keeping system. She would give you anything you asked and could build up a M16 from a stripped lower. Yet nothing in her arms room was going to go missing and you got nothing you were not authorized.
Meet a C-5 crewman while I was in Germany. He had a dozen Tariqs. He had a source and ever time his plane left Baghdad to fly back to Germany. He threw a pistol or something else into a hidey hole in the plane.
I remember a buddy of mine in the CF taking a foreign weapons course where they brought a variety of different guns used by other NATO countries so that in case of emergency, we can use weapons from our allies. One thing he told me about the whole that stood out of all the weapons he used from countries like France, Germany, and even the new AK-15 from Russia was that fucking Tavor trigger. He kept going on about how bad it was, said it felt like a sponge. Then he went out and bought a Type 97 for varmit because the guy at the store recommended it.
>>28521387 someone should do a study on whether the army could make money selling these guns to companies that would import and sell them to the civilian market. I'm sure if 922r wasnt a thing this would already be the case.
>>28521483 >someone should do a study on whether the army could make money selling these guns to companies that would import and sell them to the civilian market.
I can make a hypothesis for that study right here right now:
I'd be a total fucking PR nightmare whenever the army went since they'd be directly profiteering from wars now. The profits made from this would be so low that it wouldn't be worth extra work every god damn time they did something since the liberals would just accuse them being the gun grabbing procurement department of NRA and other domestic babykillers..
>>28521443 >Be civil engineering, work closely with an EOD shop. >KC-135 had come in from the sandbox on rotation. >Everyone is off, crew/maintainers are doing their checks etc etc. >Wild RGD-5 appears! >Rolls out of the fucking airplane, hits the ground, rolls against the landing gear and sists. >Maintainer screams 'grenade!' >Everyone fucking flees. >EOD shows up, everything is frozen because we have a potentially live grenade under a Tanker. >Takes five minutes to clear. >OSI detains and buttrapes the entire aircrew and the passengers they were bringing over. >Uncover an entire weapon smugling ring through a single boomer.
>>28521637 I mean, if a veteran or someone else brought one back, it wouldn't be on record. So it's not like it could be traced to you, especially if it was sold to someone else. This is why it's so pointless for them to push for further restriction on gun owners in order to stop criminals and gain more control on the flow of "illegal" firearms.
So long as it's not illegal for civilians to own, I wouldn't think that there's not much they could do at that point unless they could prove that YOU brought it into the country.
Owning the thing isn't illegal. Smuggling it in is.
Transport, security and control is so fucking expensive that the US blows up stockpiles of it's own small arms rather then try to transport them. Part of the absurdity of the program to transfer surplus DOD equipment to police forces is that it pretty much always ended up costing more then it would have to directly give the police the money to buy something on the open market.
>>28521238 >for training, so they can train friendly hajis >out of novelty >they ran out of ammo >because their shit was damaged >to save calling for bullets bandages and beans >to save their own weapons from damage >rarely to disguise their presence
but I mean, for the amount spent on them why would they really need junk they found in the sandbox? the risk of booby trapped weapons caches, poorly maintained gear, being mistaken for enemy combatants the cost of their gear alone is worth more than ali baba's whole village, and the cost of the US supply chain is unfathomable
My grandfather was in Vietnam. Some of the MP's were gung-ho about getting weapons away from people, some weren't.
He had two AK's in burlap in his bunk and gave them to a guy when he left. He also had a very old Colt revolver that was given to him the day he arrived and he passed it on to someone else the day he left, because he didn't have enough time to get the Provo to approve him taking it home.
They also had a Winchester shotgun with Navy property markings (he was 101st Army) that was found by a river. Figure someone on a Navy patrol boat dropped it or it fell off. Nevertheless, they put it to good use.
Enlisted usually weren't issued pistols and they'd pick one up if they could get one. And a lot of the infantry guys would pick up an extra shotgun or have one shipped from home to carry out on jungle patrols.
But even in Vietnam because of the GCA 1968 what you could take home and all was different.
My great-grand uncle brought home a ton of shit in WW2 because he was in the supply department, including a couple of Title 2's he registered in the 1968 Amnesty (had to take a bank loan out to get the registration money). But that was a different era.
>Be in Ammunition Company >Do demilitarization of enemy equipment >Most random shit comes through, both old as guns and blinged shit >Watch Warrants dick around with them because no one is going to tell Chief no >Pretty sure one stole a gold-plated AK
Just imagine this scenario >Squad is ordered to capture a house >Kills enemy combatants that live in house >Captures 2 PKM and 1 SVD and various other slav shit. >Squad is then ordered to set up support position to cover the advance of some other squad In this situation any smart person would give the PKM and SVD to the guys that only has m4's. Why the fuck not? The weapons and ammo is all ready there and you just have to pick them up.
>>28521409 >sabotage enemy weaps This is common as fuck. The RSAS/Recces did this exclusively against the blacks, explosive packed round into the third or fourth round. Devastating shit. One of their TPs was to put a modified AT mine under the bodies of the dead. Took a while for the blacks to start using toggle rope to pull bodies.
Could be booby trapped, broken, or just old and shit.
People like you are the exact reason that booby trapped weapons exist in the first place. I could leave an AK and a stockpile of booby trapped ammo laying around and you'd end up with no hands and an AK bolt shaped hole in your face because you thought it'd be a good idea to use it.
>>28533781 >In this situation any smart person would give the PKM and SVD to the guys that only has m4's. Why the fuck not? The weapons and ammo is all ready there and you just have to pick them up.
In what world do you live in where it is a "smart" idea to field unfamiliar equipment to personnel who have no training at all on how to operate. It's like telling someone they have to start writing with their other hand. no one in the US military is trained on AK's or SVD's. How do you clear a jam, how do you reload a mag, how do you charge the weapon, how do you use the sights, what's the bullet drop like, etc. etc. All these things you would have to learn on the fly will take precious seconds that will get you killed. And then there are Enemy grenades. you never EVER use enemy grenades, because you don't know if they've rigged the fuses to detonate the second you release the spoon.
>>28535960 In a static position using the support weapons makes sense because you would just switch back to the m4 if you jam or move. Not like you need to know bullet drop on a GPMG anyways because you'll just watch impacts and walk it in. Same thing with the SVD just use Kentucky windage, very common for DMRs.
>>28535960 >rigged the fuses to detonate the second you release the spoon. Any idea how to do that? I've read about booby traps that use grenades on a tripwire. The tripwire part is easy but how do soldiers get rid of the time fuse?
>>28536383 Again spending time learning where the hold is on your sights on an unfamiliar weapon wasting very valuable, precious seconds that can get you killed. Instead of using your own weapon with sights you have trained on for dozens/hundreds of man hours practicing. Instinctive second nature trumps guessing on the fly every time.
>>28521483 The military's job is to serve the interests of the us, not fuck around picking up guns everywhere. That would be a public relations nightmare, more unwanted hate the military already gets often and besides, it would be fucking nothing for the amount of negativity and risk that comes with such things. Plus it would just fuck with the process of conducting anything out in the field.
However, it would be pretty cool if the military would let people bring back rifles and buy them with the proceeds going towards helping wounded veterans and their families but the VA sucks dick so no. No fun, not ever.
You have a rifle you're familiar with, know the zero and holdovers with perfectly good ammo you personally loaded from a lake city box. The government was nice enough to give you a very expensive and nice set of aimpoint m68's, an elcan or even a fucking trijicon acog.
But fuck that shit, let's use a really rusted up 7.62x54r rifle that we know nothing about because /k/ said they were awesome and they go for $15,000 on gunbroker so they have to be the best!
>he can't hit targets out to 800 meters with a good rifle and optic
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