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All around SOF website. Great info and run by former/active members of every SOF unit. Mentor program. Also has forums for international SOF.
For all Army SF info.
For Navy Corpsman info.
This is an all-inclusive thread for MARSOC/Force Recon stuff. Good site for Marines info too.
For Coast Guard info. Good site, lots of vets able to answer questions.
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Which branch are you enlisting/enlisted/considering?
Ask questions, answer questions, bitch about Air Force recruiters. Just keep it contained to this general
Any marine pilots lurking?
Would enlisting after getting my degree and then doing the enlisted commissioning program give me a better or equal opportunity to become a pilot compared to OCS?
went to meps in September, finally into the 3 month period before I leave to basic. any other anons going to Navy basic in April? (BU if anyones wondering my rate)
nice to hear from my recruiter that ill be getting my E-3 pay as soon as I start basic as well
Question for the dude from the previous thread that got DQ'ed from meps for a shy bladder. Couldn't you have prevented that DQ by simply drinking a shitload of water before providing the urine sample?
Question 2: From what I understand after arriving at marine boot camp every recruit has to call home and tell his parents that he/she arrived safely. Is that call optional? My parents live in Switzerland and don't understand English.
American here. Spent 5 years in the Air National Guard. I have one year left, and I plan on trying to go active duty, which from the looks of things is going to be easier said than done. I've heard talk though that Australia recruits a lot of Americans into their military. Is this true? Someone care to red pill me?
One week till lackland.
We lads 4 months of DEP just flew by.
I want to apologize first about using a trip, but I've started to think about joining the military as an option immediately after my under grad.
Specifically I want to join the Air Force because I have a lot of family history there. My grandfather was a Lt. Colonel back during the Vietnam Era. I'll have a college degree with good enough grades, I've also lost a shit ton of weight over the course of four years and I'm definitely physically capable. I'd like to join, do my time, then go to grad school.
Question is, how would I go about talking to a recruiter, asking the right questions, and trying to go about this after college.
I should also note that Im a tranny and I'm probably fulfilling some negative stereotype of the air force but I think it is something I'd like to do.
Started my packet with Army. They're kinda pushing infantry as my mos. Not against it but I'd like to see what else there is to offer so i can use what i learned in a post-military career. Any help would be great.
So you chopped your cock and balls off and shoot yourself full of drugs and hormones on a regular basis. Yeah, you absolutely should be trusted with firearms and heavy equipment.
That's because you either don't rate or work at a place that needs the fine skills of warrant officers. At 2D Recon we had a like 3 or 4 in charge of training or were pilots working with J-tacs.
Wow the odds of getting a cool bird to fly in the Marines are better than I could have hoped for.
Literally the only thing that I don't want to fly is a Prowler, everything else is fucking awesome.
To that guy in the previous thread asking why people shit on those who want to go SF:
You say shit like "how do you know they won't make it" and "it may just happen". You may just be the next bill gates, you may win the lottery but that doesn't mean it's probable.
Every fucking kid thinks they're going to be special super duper operator but they haven't spent a day in the military, they don't understand the lifestyle or the hardships, they just want to do cool guy stuff. There's nothing wrong with aspirations but special operations is years down the line and you haven't even started the first step yet, all while thinking you're better than every ordinary soldier.
If you're not getting a college degree, starting a career, leading a sports team and exercising up until about 24 you're probably not going to get direct entry. If you're planning on joining infantry thinking you're going to excel and just sweep on into special operations, everyone hates you. The officers have seen enough of your shit, they know you're just killing time until you move on to cool guy shit and that's not what they want, they want people dedicated to their current job.
Forget about special forces now, go and join the military in the job you want and focus on being the best at it. After 4 years then start thinking if you want to move on to something else
>Forget about special forces now, go and join the military in the job you want and focus on being the best at it. After 4 years then start thinking if you want to move on to something else
You heard it here first ladies and gentlemen, if you want to go SOF just focus on not being SOF. Ignoring your dreams for years will help you achieve them.
>From the last thread
I ended up adding 100 bodyweight squats and 50 lunges to my running days, I know it's a bitch workout but I'm just starting out.
>Couch to 5k
>Walk 3 miles home from work
Sore as hell this morning but it feels good, ate some oatmeal with frozen berries and peanut butter and I'm good to go.
There's a difference between keeping in mind an aspiration in the future and going infantry, hating it all for 4 years, thinking how things will be super cool when you advance, then realizing special operations is even worse
If you never learn to love the job you're in you'll be yet another drop out
Feel free to go and tell your recruiter all about your plan to go SOF, then get a couple medal of honours, leave and then retire on the money your PMC company is making. Remind the instructors how pathetic they are for not being as superior as you'll soon be before even leaving for boot camp.
Get back to me when you kill Osama 2.0, hero
I'm pretty sure he's doing running on days between resistance training
Couch to 5k is a running program, google is your friend
Yeah, I'm walking home from work in sub freezing temperatures in a parka and uniform (in boots) on ice, with my lunch pail. No.
I alternate core and upper body on my non cardio days.
Started jogging a few weeks ago to begin getting fit enough to join the military. I don't know how I never noticed it before, but I was looking in a full-body mirror a couple days ago and I realized for the first time in my life that I'm slightly knock-kneed. So far at least, I haven't been able to tell that there's any negative effect on my ability to run because of this.
Assuming I can run just fine, is this likely something that would be cause for a DQ? One thing I've considered is that it might be difficult for me to stand at attention, especially for long periods of time.
To clarify, doing one of those 3 I named will allow you to build leg strength with bodyweight exercises by increasing the resistance a lot. Pretty much nobody can build strength with regular squats without weights, because doing 100 bodyweight squats is an endurance exercise, and won't make your legs much stronger.
At the moment I have trouble with pistol squats, I'm only doing bodyweight to work up to them.
And endurance isn't a bad thing for me right now.
Thanks for the advice though, replacing normal squats with pistols or shrimps is a goal now.
the SEALs are not about cleaning though.
i have no intentions except to be the best i can be.
i know all about it, and i plan to do the SEAL challenge at enlistment in two years. i have two years to get ready.
Just watched Hurt Locker.
That scene at the end with his son hit me really hard for some reason, and I'm still just 18.
I guess I'm afraid of losing my passion, my sunshine and glitter perspective that is being a civilian.
>Forget about special forces now, go and join the military in the job you want and focus on being the best at it. After 4 years then start thinking if you want to move on to something else
do you fucking realise that that is the attitude of the loser?
i know a bunch of guys that went operator. you know what they had in common? they wanted to be it, they said they wanted to be it and they went for it. and they got it.
the 'winning attitude' isn't a fucking meme, m8. it's what you actually need to get anything real done, including becoming an operator. sitting on your ass all day going 'oh i don't know if i can do this i'll just do something else instead for a while to help make up my mind' is exactly how you get fucking. no. where.
the long safe path is the path to hell.
look another cod kiddy
i'm sick of your shit
so ok bitches, here is the real dope
you want to be delta, first you have to join up with an ivy league phd and minimum 10 gpa
then you have to pass the physical. if you're not 6'5 and at least 300lbs with a professional nfl career behind you, forget it manlet, you're not getting in.
then THEY approach YOU. you got to their top secret facility in DC where you undergo the what they call HELL WEEK. during HELL WEEK they test you in the most simple and most brutal method ever. for 24 hours a day, every day, for a week, they punch you in the nuts. that's right faggots, they punch you RIGHT IN THE FUCKING NUTS, all day, every day, all week. that's why they call it HELL WEEK.
you think that's the end? think again motherfuckers. after that, you have to kill your mom. and your dog. don't have a mom or a dog? you're not getting in, you fucking commie.
then it's a ten year MINIMUM probationary period, during which you're in federal prison. can't handle that? you don't have what it takes to be in delta you pussy.
if you survive federal prison and get a presidential pardon, then and ONLY THEN, you can put in a packet. but if you're over 40 and under 80 then go to hell you bitch, you don't have the experience to be CAG.
you think you got what it takes? forget it, you're not going to make it.
And for every person that really wanted it only about 50% of them wanted it by the time paperwork was all filled out
And then minority of those who really really wanted it will make it through selection
And then a minority of that minority still want it after 2 years of the same shit every day
talk to a recruiter.
download teh nsw program for potential seal candidates. it's designed for people like you, ie for people who want to be seals.
work your fucking ass off. get through the program.
becoming seal not guaranteed, but you won't know if you don't try.
You fucking moron. NSW has nothing to do with being a bitch rate.
The only people in SOF are those that want to be there, and had the motivation to get there.
What happened, too much of a pussy to put in a packet? Need to bring everyone else down to your faggot level? You're in every thread, time you fucked off.
holy shit you're a faggot. the only way western sof even has personel is because people applied to get in. it's not a fucking conscript system.
yeah, it's fucking hard. yeah, people fail the fuck out. that's the fucking point of the selection process. but if people don't try people don't get in. and we know it's not impossible because...there are people in sof right now. where the fuck is your head?
something being hard is no reason to give up or not try it.
what kind of fucking pussy are you?
No you're clearly just a person with an obvious problem.
Who comes to a 4chan thread every day to tell people they can't do something?
Pretty sad. Imagine what a DI would say about that.
>And then a minority of that minority still want it after 2 years of the same shit every day
Most guys that get into that sort of unit stay in that sort of unit for a while. Usually the rest of their careers if able. Big army is what generally destroys souls.
Operator fuck your mother or something?
I'm just sharing the opinions of anybody in the military who isn't a wannabe SOF faggots
And you'll probably fail. You fucking regards can't even understand the probability
You're probably going to fail. Fact.
I'll change from now on though. I'll be really supportive
Hey guys who want to join sof. It's not really hard, just be yourself
DI would fucking destroy him.
>I guess I've triggered the 40 minute mile crowd by not saying "follow your dreams" "b urself" "soon ull be Jason bourne"
Touchy feely liberal bullshit aside, you don't seem to realise that that is actually the only way that people get anywhere, reach their goals or better themselves. They don't do that by standing around waiting for shit to come to them. This shit doesn't fall from the sky. No one is going to give it to you. That doesn't mean it won't be hard. But your attitude is the attitude of failure. And it's that simple.
How do I confirm that a person I know is full of shit? A friend of a friend recently came home from the army, and in the last three weeks he has said a few things that are questionable at best.
>Infantry in the 82nd
I believe you
>Made Seargent in two years
Sounds hard but doable
>Went to RASP
I'm pretty sure that's wrong
>Went to SERE
Sounds fishy but okay
>You learn everything SERE has to offer in one week. The next three weeks is just sitting in a dog cage and getting the shit beat out of you.
He's just being realistic by not coddling some 18 year old straight outta highschool faggot who thinks he's the next chris kyle.
your hugbox "be kind to everyone" mentality is not helping these kids in the long run.
Do you know what DI hates more than anything?
The guy in boot camp thinking he's just going to breeze through basic then into SOF
This is reality. If you ever let your intentions out you will be shit on because you're a faggot. This is fucking reality.
How old are you?
>I'm just sharing the opinions of anybody in the military who isn't a wannabe SOF faggots
someone in the military who cleans toilets i'd hazard. bitter fucking moron without the balls to do anything.
actually, i just re-read that. you never said you were in the military yourself, did you? because unless you are you shouldn't try adopt that point of view.
>And you'll probably fail. You fucking regards can't even understand the probability
i'm assuming you mean retard, retard.
everyone understands the probablility. both the guys that get in, and the guys that fail. the guys that get in don't let the probability stop them from succeeding, and the guys that fail don't let the probablility stop them from trying. because that's still no reason not to go for it. unless you're a loser. like you.
SQUARE YOUR TOUCHY FEELSY SHIT /MEG/ OR I WILL SKULLFUCK YOU UNTIL YOU CANT EVEN THINK OF THE WORD "SEAL".
NOW ON YOUR FACE AND GIVE ME 50 SCUMBAGS
>Hey guys who want to join sof. It's not really hard, just be yourself
What kind of strawmen bullshit is this.
Hey faggot, no one here is telling them that it will be easy. On the fucking contrary you little homo. What we're not telling them is to be a pussy and not even try. Because only scared little pussys don't make at least some attempt to follow their life's dreams. Failure is part of life. Without it there can be no success. Grow the fuck up and deal with the concept.
That other guy is right. You are NOT WANTED.
>Big army are buttflustered as FUCK by SOF because they don't play by 'the rules' and don't follow 'the standard' which totally must be followed for the universe to continue spinning
>If you even allude to being part of that non conformist group of Elvises with mustache hairs beyond they mouth parts you get shit on
>Because misery loves company, and big army is a bunch of miserable burned out fucks. If you don't know their pain you are wrong
Nah, they just beast that guy. Make his life hell.
The people they hate the most are the 'too hard, don't try' people. People like you.
>This is reality. If you ever let your intentions out you will be shit on because you're a faggot. This is fucking reality.
If you go 18x everyone fucking knows what your intentions are anyway. What kind of idiot are you?
>How old are you?
Older than you. Don't think that trying to claim some sort of world-wise maturity covers the fact that you're a sad, beaten negative little bitch trying to bring everyone else down to your level of mediocrity.
You're NOT WANTED.
Actually, isn't that what your parents told you?
Is this US only? if so most of this post is gonna be a load of shite.
I'm from the UK looking to enlist as an officer and then move onto a Challenger 2 Tank Commander in the Royal tank regiment.
Is there any Army officers lurking on here at 2-3am in the morning? Hows sandhurst? Or if there is somehow any RTR Tank commanders alive on this thread how was training?
Also are there any US tankers lurking here? How was your training? I'm curious. Because I heard to become a commander over here you are fast tracked to the seat as an officer doing 3 weeks driving and maintenance -> 3 weeks gunnery and then 2 weeks loading and how ever long it takes for you to complete the commanders course.
>this little pussyboi (probably an SFAS/RASP washout) who is in almost every thread going "NUH UH GUYS IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH TRYING, IT'S JUST TOO HARD YOU GUYS"
You little pathetic bitch. I'd love to introduce you to my buddy who went in as an 18X and is currently in Group. Watching him choke your whiny quitter ass the FUCK out would be HILARIOUS.
Fucking hell, this strawman again.
Stop pretending that that is what anyone has said.
Point out to me right the fuck now, where anyone said that it would be easy. Stop trying to portray anyone giving advice as liberal hugbox faggots.
The difficulty is not the issue. Your total lack of balls and the desire to destroy others who are, unlike yourself, at least willing to try, is the issue.
There are entire websites by operators for people who want to become operators. NSW even worked up an entire 6 month program for civillians to get fit for BUD/S. Why? Because they want people to become operators, because they always need operators and the only people who get through are those who are personally motivated themselves to just do it. So any civillian prepared to do that program has at least half of what it takes.
Think you wait aroung for a permission slip from your mommy?
Not even the guys that make it know that they're going to make it before the end of the course. That doesn't stop them. It stops you.
Go kill yourself you little faggot. You're just like the niggers from the projects who think they'll be the next rapper or basketball player and make a million dollars. You're just like some jackass who want to go from the academy straight to four-star general.
He was never saying this. He shits up everythread. What he says is you won't make it, do something else to realise you won't make it.
He really sounds like a sad, hopeless cunt desu senpai. Misery loves company, and he's a lonely man.
>I'll introduce you to about 100 others for every successful applicant who resemble you in the future,
you don't know anyone in the military.
>those that didn't kill themselves anyway
this is not, and never has been, reflective of the reality.
you quite obviously have pyschological problems. This is why you are Not Wanted.
>he does this every thread
>literally first time
How does it feel to be a retard?
Maybe multiple people realize that the best route to SF isn't jumping off your mommy's couch from cod and into the action
>Hang out at recruiters office while friend is enlisting
>Ask out of curiosity about 18x and option 40 contracts
>Turns out they're pretty much always available, but virtually nobody goes in on one because they aren't what they're looking for
>Last guy to start processing in on one was an ex-marine who backed out and decided to re-enlist as a marine
>Come to /k/
>All anyone wants to do is oper8
>People bitching about all the people wanting to oper8
Guys. I don't think we're an accurate sample of the general population.
Not a cause for DQ unless it would prevent you from performing the underpants duck walk at MEPS.
>One thing I've considered is that it might be difficult for me to stand at attention, especially for long periods of time.
lol, you better toughen up on that, faggot, because you'll be spending hours at a time in the position of attention.
>How does it feel to be a retard?
This is not the first time. Stop pretending now the heat is on and we're all sick of you. Christ, you're not just a bitch, you're a coward too.
If yourself is awesome, then fuck yeah, be yourself.
If yourself is not awesome, the do the NSW 6 month program, pass BUD/S and become awesome. Your choice.
Winners realise they have one. Losers are like you.
Again, NOT WANTED, drop the strawman bullshit.
If you actually are it's generally caused by a muscular imbalance between the muscles of your thighs. If it's not pronounced then just keep training and it will probably resolve itself.
>the do the NSW 6 month program
What if I'm so not awesome that I'm kicking my own ass trying to get fit enough to be able to do those routines? Because whenever I read those 'get ready for SOF' I go "Fuck me, I can't even do that many reps of that exercise" then I add it to the list of shit I need to work on.
Also, does anybody else notice how pissed off everyone gets around you when you put bettering yourself before other stuff?
>Couch to 5k (beginners running for fat people) week 5
>Gotta go to the park NOW if I'm gonna run and not be late for work
>Mom calls me
>"You need to come help me with moving stuff"
>I can't, I'm going running then I have work
>"So just don't run, this is more important" (it's not, it's something she can do later/tomorrow)
>Explain I'm trying to stick to a workout schedule, it's important I don't skip days
>Basically get told it's useless and I'm being a selfish asshole, why work out, just do shit for her instead, stop trying if it's not going to produce instant dramatic results, I'll hurt myself more running than being fat, etc...
>Ran anyway, was late to work because of argument
Not jealous, she just was really into fitness when she was my age, then she got old and fat. She thinks it's a waste of time.
She also lost-her-shit when I tried to get my sister on a diet. Telling me I'm trying to starve her and make her feel bad about herself.
>Kid is 16 and 250 pounds, she could stand to starve a little.
>What if I'm so not awesome that I'm kicking my own ass trying to get fit enough to be able to do those routines?
The NSW routine scales to your current level of fitness. NSW aren't stupid and know you have to start from somewhere, unlike NOT WANTED. So you basically do a fitness test and then slot in at the appropriate level. It's actually a good program but you only get one day off a week so don't go too hard too fast, otherwise you're fucked by week three.
>Also, does anybody else notice how pissed off everyone gets around you when you put bettering yourself before other stuff?
Unfortunately yes, and this is part of the human condition and often discussed by motivational speakers. People who don't come from success often have a hard time reconciling success with their past. Basically, you're leaving the herd and they don't won't to lose you. You have to be firm. Hopefully you can help lift the others up but truth be known, it's as likely they'll pull you down. Life is hard. Do it anyway.
We've had whole threads on intelligence and other trades. There were ones that were all Navy and Air Force. We're just going through an operator phase at the moment.
>The NSW routine scales to your current level of fitness. NSW aren't stupid and know you have to start from somewhere
I'll look into that one. First I'm going to do a couple months of what I'm doing now, just to get into the groove. I've figured a 12 month progression is what I'll do. Couple months attaining a basic level of fitness, then getting into one of the 'operator' prep workout programs.
>Basically, you're leaving the herd and they don't won't to lose you.
This is exactly what it feels like. Glad it's a normal thing, makes me feel like less of an ass for putting myself first.
I'm going elec warfare operator
Speshul forces interested me when I was younger and may be a possibility in the future but right now I'm focusing on becoming an EWO
I'm also the guy who's somehow making people really mad by telling them the same advice given to me. Seriously, I think many of us were in the same position when we were younger, wanting to join the military to be the shooty guy and be elite. It's just silly for the most part and most people haven't truly thought it over
Also just saying generally no matter how physically fit you are after you get past the initial physical fitness screening, a lot of peeps drop out and go security forces
My job (pretty much a gunner/flight engi combined) is more exclusive than special forces. Only 280ish of us
Sounds like a solid plan. The thing to remember with fitness is that volume is the deciding factor and the only way you can get enough volume is with consistancy. To start with this means consistantly doing small workouts. Binge and purge does not work, nor does over-reaching yourself before you have the work capacity to handle high volume in one workout. Medium volume workouts 5 days a week in the end beats high volume workouts two days a week. Of course, you get to the level where your medium volume is someone else's heavy session.
This is usually how elite athletes come through, especially in say, olympic weightlifting. As their work capacity increases they end up doing a lot of big workouts (for you), sometimes multiple times a day.
Hey motherfucker, I'm asking about that shit because I know that's what I want to do. I'm not going to stop talking about it because it upsets you.
You know some of us aren't just COD kids right?
>Grew up reading shit about LRRP guys in Nam
>Volunteered at VA and got to learn about Marine Recon in Nam from vet
>Boss was 18b, told me ab5cool shit he's done, loves talking shop with me
>Always liked the teacher/operator aspect of SF
>Go train people to fight their own battles and teach them to be better
>Actual hearts and minds work without Johnny slackjaw grunt burning a m249 belt on a family and fucking it up for everyone
>Go out in a small team and be independent
>Kick in doors and do cool shit
Fucking dream job.
Yeah, I'm doing what others would call bitch workouts, but I'm doing them and regularly. 5 times a week, with low intensity shit on the weekend. Just limited on time and equipment at the moment. And my significant other is PISSED I'm working out instead of coming to bed at night.
You're NOT WANTED? You're fucking loser.
>I'm also the guy who's somehow making people really mad by telling them the same advice given to me.
It was shit advice given to you by a fucking loser. So shit it's made you low-ball your dreams and take the bullshit way around.
>Seriously, I think many of us were in the same position when we were younger, wanting to join the military to be the shooty guy and be elite. It's just silly for the most part and most people haven't truly thought it over.
I know a bunch of guys who are now operators. None of them thought that wanting to go for it was silly. None of them told other guys who wanted to do it that they were silly. What they said was 'It's hard, but you won't know if you don't try so get prepared.'. And then they gave them training advice. Because they are nothing at all like you.
Ditch this 'younger' shit. You're not mature and world wise. If you were, you'd know something more about goal setting.
>My job (pretty much a gunner/flight engi combined) is more exclusive than special forces. Only 280ish of us
I'm not suprised that a you think that, you sound like that kind of faggot (we're special forces, we really are! there's less of us than them!). You are not and will never be. Fuck off, you really are worthless.
M8, it sounds like you've made a proper start already. It's a good sign that you're not caving to pressure already, keep it up. Other people will probably be the biggest obstacle.
Nothing's guaranteed of course, but it sounds like you're doing everything right so far.
Who are you trying to convince? Yourself? Are you hoping the recruiter sees your online history and how committed you are?
Just stop. Maybe you'll succeed. I could bet money that you won't and win the vast majority of the time.
This is called being realistic. I won't deny there are many stupid people in the military driven by their delusions
Biggest obstacle so far is actually keeping realistic goals. 12 months is my 'stop and evaluate progress' point, then if I'm at a point I think I'm ready I'll enlist, if not I'll do another 6 months higher intensity.
But looking at timetables measured in a year or more feels so distant that it was hard to be focused at first.
We all want results nownownow and knowing I won't even see the numbers on the scale change for a month got in my own head at first.
>You're not mature and world wise. If you were, you'd know something more about goal setting
>"I'm going to be the elite, the top tog, the best you can be and if you disagree you just don't understand goal setting"
How lucky am I? I signed my contract for 35T last week after I got an exception to policy for being colorblind. My recruiter then called me today and said that I get a 25k bonus. I also got airborne in contract. Trying not to blog, but everything is looking great for me.
Good for you man! Keep us all updated on your progress.
So did you realize you couldn't do SF because you're a bitch? Or did you just come to realize it's not the job you want and you wouldn't be happy doing it?
I graduated school and just did other things with my life
Now I'm bored of normal stuff and want to join the military
SF isn't out of the picture but it just seems absolutely overrated and misunderstood, just like how many people who want to go infantry think they'll be killing bad guys but end up sweeping floors. Combat just seems completely overrated. I don't think many younger people understand that
>Just stop. Maybe you'll succeed. I could bet money that you won't and win the vast majority of the time.
Bet money on what?
Look at yourself, you're like a bad stereotype. 'Don't try, you'll probably fail', and 'I'm joining a unit that's even more exclusive than special forces!'. Jesus Christ. The suprising thing is how not suprised I am.
>This is called being realistic.
Except it's actually not. But the fact that you don't realise this only effects you, so who really cares. As said before just stop being a faggot and stop trying to take people down to your level. You're ridiculing people who enough balls to try, claiming some sort of authority about it. Like you'd fucking know.
And you keep trying to paint people who want to be hardchargers, and the people pointing them in the right direction as liberal faggots. You have issues, stop trying to dress them up as 'realism', just because you're too scared to go pararesue.
You're the prick in every basic that keeps telling everyone that it's too hard, when everyone else is trying to get it done.
In ten years time you'll be some fat fuck congratulating yourself on never bothering to put in a packet for special operations, because it's silly and 'everyone knows' that you probably would have failed. Have fun with that.
Pretty cool, they do lots of good shit around here.
Be warned though, if you join you'll do your job plus some since they got a ton of new responsibilities but didn't get a personnel boost to match.
So you were a COD kiddie, realized SOF don't cling to passenger jet landing gear to get in position for a HALO jump to assassinate Jason Bourne, and got all jaded and buttmad?
What do you have to say to people like >>28526706
m8, how do you think people become elite? you think the oracle at delphi comes along and tells them? like a wolf pup drops out of the sky and they become emperor of rome?
>I didn't quit lol, I did other things with my life
you mean you never tried in the first place? m8, that just means you're a fucking loser.
Pistol squats are very hard. Your progression will probably go split squats -> shrimps -> pistol squats. You should be doing them like weighted squats in sets of relatively low reps. And I recommended leaving in lunges for the endurance. Endurance isn't bad but if you're already running and doing lunges you will get a lot more benefit from doing some strength-building exercises than from doing more endurance training.
>SF isn't out of the picture but it just seems absolutely overrated and misunderstood
you didn't want those grapes anyway.
>Combat just seems completely overrated
you sound like you're trying to talk yourself into accepting you'll never be an operator.
I'm interested in being an NFO, also open to considering the AF version (Flight Systems Officer I think?). Basically my vision isn't good enough to be a pilot but I still want to be air crew.
Quality, because they're the only branch that all do their real jobs all the time.
Combat is overrated though. People only want to be in combat because they think it looks cool to watch in media. This does not mean it is cool to actually experience. And regardless of your opinion of combat experience, you have a 99.9% chance of spending your entire enlistment as a janitor anyway. Even in 2003-04 only something like 1/3 of units deployed and most of those never saw combat.
>split squats -> shrimps -> pistol squats.
That was my exact plan actually, cool.
I'll start replacing my squats with those. How do I get a number of reps/sets down? Do the fuckers to failure then work off that number?
Are you even in the military you stupid fuck? If so get some bearing. I'm saying just because a unit is small doesn't necessarily mean they are the best (see: my job.) And we'll see who's worthless when your retarded ass takes a bullet and the Jolly Green Giant comes to save your ass.
Hey I hAve 3.5 astigmatism and got in just fine. Try to be an ensued drone pilot (NOT a sensor operator). We have those now.
>attacking people who aren't even me
You're set for a great career ahead of you but the only question is why not just go direct entry and apply as a janitor?
>m8, how do you think people become elite?
By setting realistic and progressive goals. If you walk into a gym and say you're going to be the next squat record holder but have only been doing lunges for a couple months I'll laugh at you
>What do you have to say to people like >>28526706 #
You hear the few nostalgified stories of coolguy shit over the course of another man's entire life. Expect about 100% more chance of boredom. Seriously, just be fucking realistic.
It just boggles my mind that you people think the response to people telling you that there's a good chance that parts of your job will fucking suck and the parts that don't are probably overrated is to deny it and get mad rather than say "yes, I'm a grown adult who understands this but these are sacrifices I'm willing to make to serve my country"
This. Used to be a PT. Beginners doing pistol squats is stupid. They always roll their feet, their knees fall into shit positions and they bounce. Great way to get knee pain, not a great way to get stronger
When split squats and lunges and step ups exist you just have to wonder why people bother with pistol squats for any other reason than getting better at split squats
I would start with 3 sets of 8, if you're not tired, do 5 sets of 8. Once you can do 5 sets of 8 and still have some juice left, move up to 5 sets of 9 or 10. Once you reach 5 sets of 12 try moving to the next variation. If you can't do 3 sets of 8 of the next form, just do one set and then do the rest with the form you can do.
For example, you can do 5 sets of 12 split squats, but only 2 sets of 6 shrimps. Do one set of 8 shrimps and then do 3-4 sets of 12 split squats until you can do 3 sets of 8 shrimps.
well, you've got to start somewhere. this is the good thing about programs like that navy one, they give you structure, and when you have structure you can start measuring progress.
here you go
>sacrifices I'm willing to make to serve my country"
Not about that.
So basically you're saying
>I've never done any of this stuff
>But let me tell you how it REALLY is
>Those people that lived that life are full of it, I have all the answers
You're kinda a punce.
>I'm saying just because a unit is small doesn't necessarily mean they are the best
>My job (pretty much a gunner/flight engi combined) is more exclusive than special forces. Only 280ish of us
so no, that's not what you said at all.
dude you are totally more operator than the operators.
This operator phase /meg/ is going through is just fucking cancerous, especially with that autist typing walls of text about his own self hatred.
When do we get a Aussie phase of /meg/?
Is being an enlisted drone pilot really good enough to be worth forfeiting being an officer though? I will admit that your MOS sounds cool now that I investigate it, does special missions mean you work with PJs etc.?
there were no strawmans in there. you said all of that. now you're just going to hide behind anon and say 'no that was someone else' despite the message and the tone being exactly the same.
>By setting realistic and progressive goals
no where have you said anything about realistic and progressive goals. everyone else has been doing that. you've said 'it's a stupid idea and you're going to fail'. that's exactly how you do fail, by adopting that attitude.
>It just boggles my mind that you people think the response to people telling you that there's a good chance that parts of your job will fucking suck and the parts that don't are probably overrated is to deny it and get mad rather than say "yes, I'm a grown adult who understands this but these are sacrifices I'm willing to make to serve my country"
you haven't been doing that either. fuck nigger, stop being such a faggot. own your shit for once in your life.
that's pretty much exactly what it means. particuly in the context of military units.
if you're not directly measuring your dick size against special operations, why even mention it?
dude you are totally more l33t than pararescue. be sure to tell everybody that as well.
>People saying they want to get /fit/
>Few wanna be SF
>One or two guys giving them pointers on how to get there
>This one autist screaming about how nobody sees the big picture he sees and SF and grunts are tools, wanting to join them meens you simply don't understand the things he's done and we should all quit right now and be desk clerks or something
>Handful of people asking honest questions about some neat MOS and getting drowned out by everyone arguing with autismo supreme
Yeah, unfortunately NOT WANTED has shit up the last couple of threads. Really we should just ignore him.
Also, why the fuck does the street names catchpa always fuck up. Get it together google.?
Whats the MOS for drone operators?
Is it an AF only job or do each branch have their own division of Nerds with Birds?
You are a 22 year old with a histories degree and a very splitnery broom.
You need to stop shitting the thread
I tried to stop shorting things up earlier. I was super operator-tier positive just like you but you didn't like it :(
The reason I'm doing so poorly is probably because I'm just not being myself enough. I just need to try harder. Just talk to a recruiter tomorrow and I could be killing bin ladens every day, if I only was man enough ;_;
Shut the fuck up child, adults are talking. God damn, have you done ANYTHING difficult in your entire life?
Thanks, I'll pop in from time to time in MEG to chat, helps with ignoring the NotWanted types in my life.
Leaving in one week for MEPS then onto the airport to go to lackland.
Man where has time gone.
Can't wait to celebrate my 23rd bday during BMT also. Get to wake up at 0445 and PT all day or some shit.
At least there's a light at the end of the tunnel and its name is the DLI.
So if I join the National Guard, do I go back to a base in my home state after completing basic and AIT? My primary reason for enlisting is the same a lot of people have, financial aid with college. Not sure what my AIT would be, probably Horizontal Engineering, but it depends on what my ASVAB comes out as.
Might just do active duty.
All I've ever wanted to do is be a pilot, but my vision is very bad to the point where it may not even be correctable to 20/20. Is there any way to be a pilot without perfect vision? Considering how technology has advanced, is it really even necessary to have 20/20 vision? It seems like pilots depend on computers more than ever. Obviously being able to see what's going on is important but is perfect vision still absolutely necessary?
Any exercise regime with a schedule. Basic bitch exercise is all about prepping joints/ligaments, increasing aerobic capacity, improving form and helping to ingrain good habits.
Just start and you'll be miles ahead of most your cohort.
depends on how fit you are and how much time you've got. can you pass the basic fitness tests? what's your mos?
you'll want to be calisthenics and endurance heavy. free weights have their place but you really need to make numbers for the press ups and runs, so don't prioritise them too much.
the program here
will work but might be more than you're looking for.
>mfw I'll be turning 20 about halfway through BCT
>mfw I'll do everything in my power to keep it a secret
If I pull it off I'll be Yung OPSEC God
>20X10 IS 10 MILLION PUSHUPS PRIVATE! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
If he's asking how to get fit here he probably doesn't have time to go on some crazy routine if he already signed up. I didn't really get into decent shape until got to my unit, and I could actually go to the gym regularly and start taking supplements.
I'm reasonably fit, used to run cross country in high school and can still jog 3.6 miles without stopping. My pushup max is at around 40 right now, not sure about situps since I do spiderman plank crunches instead. Haven't enlisted yet, going to take the ASVAB either tomorrow or the day after. Only weighted exercises I do are with dumbells.
>All the talk about working out for Opt.40 on MEG got me to start working out.
>Just jogging and pushups for now, not going military just getting less fat
>Job is 99% sitting at a computer, used to love it
>Now sitting still kills me and I'm going nuts that I can't bust out some pushups or something.
Fuck you guys, you ruined my job.
For a long time, I wanted to finish up this AA and then enlist, hopefully submitting an application after I get a 4 year.
But, all this shitposting about all enlisted being proffessional sweepers has convinced me.
Is it possible to do an ROTC program for only 2 years? Or would I have to try my hand at OCS?
I know if I graduate OCS I would have very little chance of actually getting a job I want.
I also don't really want to have some office desk job, really want a different experience.
It's never too late, but you have to take a military science minor, so depending on your exact degree plan and what you've taken so far, doing ROTC may cause you to have to add an extra semester or year onto your degree in order to fit all the credits for your new minor.
Opposite with me. Made me realize I should do DEP because civ life is boring.
>anon it's dangerous, you could die
Uhh yeah crossing the street too
>getting shot/blown up
What is ghetto neighborhoods, autists, and freeway accidents
>it's shill work/Iow pay loser shit
Yah and so is working at Target, being a bank teller, and etc.
Civ shit sucks. It's boring and not challenging nor prestigious.
If your degree doesn't have room for a minor, then you're definitely going to need extra time for the credits to add one. Or you could just take a higher credit load per semester.
Top result on google has that minor at 28 credits.
I mean that my Uni's College of Natural Sciences doesn't offer "minors."
I have some 18 hours that I am supposed to dedicate to specialized neurosciences, biology, or chemistry of my choice OR I can do a "certificate" in business or some other such nonsense.
My normal credit load is 15 hrs/semesters
Pretty sure 100, 100, 8, 6 minutes will get you a perfect score on every PFT. iirc those are at or slightly above a perfect score for the qualifying test to go to Navy SOF selection.
So you've decided to enlist. You're not just going to be some REMF or POG schmuck. You're going to operate. Trying to decide which Special Operations unit you're going to join is actually a lot trickier than it sounds.
Let's go down the list from least to most respectable:
Air Force Combat Controllers and Pararescuers are eliminated right off the bat because they're fucking Chair Force. If you're in the USAF and you're not flying a fighter, you've fucked up.
Coast Guard ASTs? Are you kidding me? Coast Guard? Get the fuck out. You can be a lifeguard at the Y.
Marine Raiders are pretty cool but they're also pretty new so no one knows them and no one will care when you tell them you are one. Also, Marines are generally dumb as shit.
The Army Rangers should be near the top of anyone's list. The last famous Ranger, though, was Pat Tillman and he was shot by his own guys. Half the Army has a Ranger tab on their shoulder so no one will care if you're a real Ranger. Plus, it's impossible to tell people you were in the Army without people thinking you weren't tough enough for the Marines.
The Army Special Forces are extremely cool and everyone respects them, but as a Green Beret, you will be doing a lot of helping dirty-ass locals with their problems. Fucking waste of time. Do you want to be in the Peace Corps or do you want to operate?
The Navy SEALs are a great choice. Everyone respects the hell out of them, but "American Sniper" made them all look like a bunch of goofballs except for Chris Kyle, who was a liar. Worse, the Navy's dress uniform is as faggy as the rest of the Navy.
But there is another option:
The GCP is France's version of the Rangers. To join them you have to join the Foreign Legion first and serve there for a couple of years. But then, you're fighting for France. So fuck that.
As you can see, there's no perfect choice, but such is life among the elite warriors of America: you have to sometimes make do with what you're given.
Best of luck!
YOU. ARE LITERALLY. THE ONLY FUCKING COD KID IN THESE THREADS!
You're just butt mad as hell that other people MIGHT go SOF and be better than you so you shit post like a fucking child. You didn't even fucking join the military and you think that makes you better or smarter than everyone who did, but you're going to die with no cool stories and someone else is going to do things worth telling grand kids on their death bed.
Exclusive =/= Elite
We know who got a 5 on the English comprehension part of the asvab
It's a generally cool AFSC. We are the gun loaders and sensor operators (read: trigger men) on ac-130s, in NSAV we work with alphabet agencies putting their people to the corners of the earth secretly, on HH-60s we do search and rescue with PJ'S stateside and in deployed environments, and on the UH-1 hueys we guard/escort nuclear missiles and missile silos
Get used to it.
Gonna be looking a 1U0X1 sensor operators. They don't pilot thedeone, just work the weapon systems. As of like 2 months ago we have an enlisted AFSC to pilot drones, but I'm not sure of the numerical designation. Prolly gonna be xAxxx whenever it's released.
For air force bmt: be able to run 25 mins without stopping. Then do 1 minute rest, then 6 minutes of alternating sprinting and running every 30 seconds
Go for 45 pushups with the min. being 32
Go for 55 situps with the min. being 42
Pull ups don't count on our pt test
Crypto is Bretty easy for what I've gathered bro good luck. We had a TSGT who had been in since 1997 reclassified into 1a9, she got washed back though
I'm about to go to work so any questions will be answered after 1700ish of I remember to come back
Thanks for the info on the drone MOS Mr USAF!
>We had a TSGT who had been in since 1997 reclassified into 1a9, she got washed back though
What'd she do before being reclassified?
fucking hajjis man
>NotWanted is a hajji trying to lower SOF recruitment numbers
Who knows, maybe it's 13fox shitposting from Leavenworth
Is it true that if I complete BCT, my ASVAB test scores won't expire? I want to reclass but need to know for sure wether or not I need to retake it first.
Why do people even go general military when SF is available? Like... why are there so many people who are absolute losers? How can so many people just be quitters?
Also, do you have to wear the standard uniforms in the military? I'm going to talk to a recruiter soon about becoming a navy seal and wanted to know whether you could wear your own masks in the military. I've always really liked the skull mask balaclava from call of duty and wondered if it would be acceptable to bring to boot camp
Has anyone here been/currently is in the Foreign Legion? What can you tell me about it, besides what they've written on their website?
Is it worth joining if your life has no direction, your army sucks and your country's poor as fuck?
Are you willing to be beaten up everyday by russian Caporals?
Do you have a criminal history?
are you willing to be made into a man by some brutal as fuck hazing?
can you speak french?
Bulgaria, Jewel of the Combloc
>Are you willing to be beaten up everyday by russian Caporals?
I'm used to being hit, but I don't know about getting beaten up.
>Do you have a criminal history?
>are you willing to be made into a man by some brutal as fuck hazing?
Does it include anything gay?
>can you speak french?
B2 certificate in French.
Yep, all of those are good prerequisets
Eastern Bloc is dominating FFL at the moment, so you're good
speak french or get hit, thats a rule of thumb.
>does it include anything gay?
nah, it's not THAT much like prison.
make no mistake, it essentially is prison, but when you get deployed, you'll love it.
fitness is important, just so you dont get beaten down as hard.
A question. The website said something about being allowed electronics AFTER the training period. Does that mean I can't even bring an MP3 player with me? Or an ebook?
If I can, would it even be a good idea?
if you go in with 35 series, how hard is it to get attached to a SOF unit? or do they just put you wherever you're needed? i like the sound of intel stuff, but working in ft. belvoir and innadesert seem like 2 completely different animals.
can intel guys apply for SF? or do you apply for this when/if you reenlist?
Can I become a cargo pilot in the Air Force if my vision is ~20/500? I'm not interested in becoming a fighter pilot, I just want to get flight hours so I can become an airline pilot eventually.
Although he dilivers his message harshly he is right a lot of people love the fiction of special forces and not the reality. I know iv day dreamed of being a super bad ass operator imagining how cool it would be . Till I met some real operators they told me how brutal the training is but also the fact that it's the same as normal infantry just with more time spent trying to stay in shape. Not only that but most missions aren't that exciting its train the afghan police to shoot stright train some locals to dig wells. Fucking negotiate with local war lords must of the time if shooting starts it means 1. You fucked the mission up 2. One or more of your friends is dead or terribly wounded. 3. There is no secret tech to patch you back up and keep you alive.
I have the most respect for our special forces troops they have a dull hard and tiring job which barely pays. I live on Long Island freshly hired police officers make 75k and they don't deal with anywhere near the shit that these special forces guys do and guess how much these operators make a year 34k that's right.
I don't think you qualify for almost anything other than a few desk jobs if your vision is 20/500 even if it corrects to 20/20. Most jobs still require better than 20/200 baseline. However, unlike what other anons said, you only need perfect vision to fly fighters, you can fly a cargo plane with glasses.
The only Army job you need to be able to swim for is diver
Seebees don't shoot guns. If you want to learn a valuable skill you are almost definitely not going to shoot guns. There is combat engineer but that is "construction day laborer who also has to carry the extra heavy shit" and not "infantry who also is an engineer"
I smoked W E E D today, if I meet with a recruiter on Friday, will he give me enough time to before I go to MEPS for it to flush out of my system?
>is it so hard to not smoke weed?
I had to go see the new Star Wars movie with my bros :((
>How do i become a sniper in the navy seals?
American sniper was pretty good propaganda, ey, mate?
>I currently can do 30 pushups in 54 seconds, and 7 pullups from a dead hang, any tips?
>30 pushups in 54 seconds
fucking pathetic, focus on strengthining your core and arm muscles through other means to make the pushups feel easier.
height and weight?
>seconds, and 7 pullups from a dead hang, any tips? Anonymous 01/13/16(Wed)15:38:59 No.28533652>>28533593(You)
>>How do i become a sniper in the navy seals?
>American sniper was pretty good propaganda, ey, mate?
>>I currently can do 30 pushups in 54 seconds, and 7 pullups from a dead hang, any tips?
pushups in 54 seconds
>fucking pathetic, focus on strengthining your core and arm muscles through other means to make the pushups feel easier.
>height and weight?
I'm 5' 6" and 145 lbs
My endurance isnt that good but my overall strength is pretty solid, its wierd because I can bench press over 100 lbs for 10 reps, but cant do 50 pushups lol
you happen to know if air guard does drone slots? bout to graduate in aviation undergrad and wouldn't mind pilot/sensor operator while working the drone job threads I have going on at home.
from what Apache bro of mine says, the enlisted fly the drone while the drone officer manages the mission, and I sure as hell want to fly or shoot. If I had to do a full commitment, i wouldn't want to stay enlisted since we'd be talking full careers then, so I'm wondering if guard does it too, so I can still fly but dont lose my chance at getting into the drone industry.
as a secondary thought I wouldn't mind jets, fulltime or reserve either, but I went to school looking to get into unmanned so i've been sitting the fence of just joining up to fly big jets and missing the unmanned bus, or hopping into new industry while its ripe.
I'm slightly color blind with red and green. I can see red a green easily, like on a stop light I can easily distinguish between "go" and "stop". But when I take those tests, I always get them messed up. Does anyone know how this will affect what job I can get? I want to go marines
When I first went to MEPS in September, we had a kid learn he was colorblind and he was instantly told that the job he wanted (some airborne job) was instantly off the table.
>we had a kid learn he was colorblind
I suppose it's really impossible for you to know something like that without being tested, but it still seems bizarre for someone to get through at least 18 years of their life without having discovered that they're colorblind.
He's butt blasted that other people might be SF because in his mind it's not possible. It's how he rationalizes giving up like a bitch.
>If nobody can do it I'm not a punk for not even trying
He also basically said he's a COD kid who realized 11b and SOF are not like in his video games so he's all jaded and pissy.
One of the arguments against Green Berets is "You'll dig wells and teach Hajji cops to shoot and stuff"
Well, yeah, training and gaining the trust of locals through civil infrastructure projects is kinda the job description, direct action is actually second to that. If you didn't know that you never actually looked into Army SF. Using that as an argument against the SF is proving how little you know.
To everyone that thinks they're gonna be 'Super Duper Operators'
>You're not running enough (You need to be flat sprinting three miles twice a day)
>You don't hike enough, and if you do you don't carry enough weight
>You can't do enough pull-ups
>You don't play enough sports
Have fun washing out into "Needs of the Army/Navy/AF" you scrub, somebody has to wash that parking lot.
Getting attached to cool guys as an intel guy isn't very hard provided you're good at PT and can pass an airborne physical.
It isn't that there are tons of slots, it is that 80 % of intel dudes would rather work in an office and play video games instead of doing tactical crap.
Actually in your attempt to call out others on their autism, you sound really autistic yourself. True, most people here aren't going to be special forces, but I would much rather serve with them than you, based on your attitude. And by the way, literally no one can "flat sprint" for 3 miles
Is it possible to get a PDQ due to ADHD overturned? This happened back in summer of '14 and I've read the rules have softened since then.
As a side note, I experience no negative symptoms because of it and have not in almost a decade.
That bit with the aircraft commander being an officer was true until this past december.
If you want into jets, go maintained or CEA then go officer to fly what you worked on
>week 1 bmt
>for some reason right ankle feels like it's going to detach after about a mile
>never had this problem before
>know if I go to Reid trainee health services I won't graduate on time
>tears of pain after running one day
>"you ok trainee anon"
>just motivated to be here ma'am
>"ok, tell me if you need to go to reid"
Luckily San Antonio got a ton of rain the next day and we didn't run for like 4 days. I was fine after that
Basic is balls.
And attn to detail.
It weeds out the ones who don't want to be here
Tech school is only semi-balls
Gets those that basic missed.
But my job has the hardest course of all the career enlisted aviators. Highest fail out rate. VERY rewarding though. I get to shoot guns from a helicopter!
>do i just "apply" for it once i'm in?
Try to get Airborne in your contract if you can. If not, try to get it at AIT. Pretty much just be good at intel and PT simultaneously (not even amazing) and SOF will come to you.
You won't have any control over where you go on your first assignment, although you narrow your options if you have airborne in your contract.
SF recruits all the time, both for support and for operators. You will have opportunities for both, but they're not going to want some brand new PFC who doesn't know shit to do their intel support. Focus on your job first, be good at what you do, and doors will open.
Honestly, if you just give a fuck, that places you in the top half of the military and you'll be able to do cool shit.