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What is next big thing in guns, post ar15.
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have guns peaked?
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Combat dildos.
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caseless ammo
rockets
railguns
lasers
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>>28517898
>Remember anon, necessity is the mother of invention. >When the need comes, a new product will be created.

>So you tell me, what is a firearms related need that you could see coming up in the near future?
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>>28517938
Will our current small arms work on Mars?
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>>28517898
My Beretta mouse gun converted to laser

burn holes in homies and not wake up the neighbors

slight burning smell on a evening breeze
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>>28517898
Energy based weapons. Of course this is only when we create new sources of energy and energy storage. Apparently nano technology is where we will find these answers.
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>>28517898
The wondered same at the time of the Flintlock, at the time of he Mauser, and at now the question is here today.

Technology is developing at a faster and furious pace than ever before. I wouldn't be surprised if the next step in firearms comes in our lifetime.
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>>28517967
Absolutely. And the round would go farther because there's just over a third of the gravity compared to earth. Recoil is another issue though. Modern powders contain their own oxidizer, so they would even work in a vacuum.
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Didn't it take hundreds of years to develop from matchlock to flintlock? Not saying tech in modern times is growing at same rate as back then, but don't things move slowly and only to readers of history, that they appear accelerated?
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>>28518000
>so they would even work in a vacuum.
No matter how many times we go over it, Vacuum combat is the scariest shit.
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>>28518006
And Browning took us from leveractions to machineguns
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>>28518024
Well if the president and secdef want women in combat so badly, then that's what it's going to come to
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>>28518046
Ayo!
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>>28518000
not to mention thinner atmosphere along with the weaker gravity, though those two go almost hand in hand
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>>28517898
telescoping polymer cased ammunition
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>>28518073
Yeah that too. Sound signature would most likely be reduced as well because of the thinner atmosphere

>OP's face when this is now a space weapons thread
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Probably the most new advancements will be in optics and integration with the user's eyes and brain. Think of something like a NV headset with an integrated targeting recticle inside connected wirelessly to a scope on the weapon, so it can be accurately fired around corners or otherwise and automatically zooms and corrects for range and windage.
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>>28518024
whats so horrifying about vacuum combat?
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>>28518104
Don't forget this darpa shit either, tripfag

>>28518118
One hit and it's all over.
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>>28518118
You get hit, you die.
Bullets hit your suit, you die.
Shrapnel hit your suit, you die.
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>>28518118
I'm no expert, but a vacuum is the absence of any matter (or close to it)

your body has a lot of matter in it, but is soft and squishy. you know how you feel swimming? the water pressure pushing on you? imagine the opposite.

a single nick in your suit and chances are you'd just explode into frosty blood
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>>28518122
> $25,000 for 1 bullet
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>>28518122
Useful for a few rare, highly specific applications, but it'll never be general issue.
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>>28518118
>no air
>get shot/shrapnel hit
>suit integrity compromised
>goodbye breathing

>compromised suit integrity in a vacuum

>The closest known resemblance of such a scenario happened during a test of an Apollo space suit in a vacuum chamber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5HOtNcDiCs (In 1965, a tube pressurising a space suit of a test subject, a man inside an evacuated vacuum chamber, had become disconnected from the suit by accident. Essentially without any pressure on his body, he lost consciousness within about 14 seconds, while he was still able to notice fluids on the tip of his tongue starting to boil before passing out. Because the chamber could be re-pressurized to a safe level within a total of about 25 seconds, this accounts for one of the rare cases in which a human being has survived such an incident without obvious damage.)

And that was in a controlled environment where they could re pressurize quickly
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>>28518128
Check this shit out: http://www.iflscience.com/space/what-would-happen-your-body-space-without-spacesuit
>>28518134
Once mass production begins (if it ever does), costs will go down
>>28518138
If you join the systems you were talking about, and the ones that darpa are developing, the face of combat would be changed forever.
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>>28518128
That doesn't happen in vacuum though, bodies absolutely do not explode. You can survive total depressurization for about 30 seconds before you black out, as long as you exhale immediately so your lungs don't burst or take severe damage - and as long as you get back into an environment with pressurized breathable air, you'll be little harmed. A small hole in a suit wouldn't be a big deal as long as you noticed it and could slap a patch over it.
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>>28518118
what the other anons have said, you get hit it would be extremely difficult to stabilize a wounded trooper, not to mention extended visual ranges, disorientation of micro-gravity battle and the extreme physical demands of working in space.
Imagine a frogman battle but in an even worse environment.
>>28518128
>suit gets ripped to space and you get sucked out and turned to jelly
when will this meme die
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Apt
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>>28518150
damn son, thanks for enlightening me instead of saying I'm wrong and going the extra length to insult me like >>28518153 by saying
>wouldn't be a big deal as long as you noticed it and could slap a patch over it.
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>>28518153
>A small hole in a suit wouldn't be a big deal as long as you noticed it and could slap a patch over it.

>tiny entrance hole from bullet

>pin prick from shrapnel

>knowing you got hit
>reacting fast enough to find and patch it before you pass out and start to boil
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>>28517898
Im sure there is some innovation around the corner.
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>>28518149
>he lost consciousness within about 14 seconds, while he was still able to notice fluids on the tip of his tongue starting to boil before passing out
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>>28518311
>posting the back of a girl looking at a floating hat

this image doesnt even make sense anon.
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>>28518328
Neither does space so it's appropriate
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>>28518338
>fly a little too close to a black hole for a few minutes on a space OP
>come back home to your friends and family all being long since dead

damn space you scary
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>>28518350
just going to speed required to reach the nearest black hole would result in you coming back to earth with everyone you knew no longer being alive.
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>>28518371
The closest one is 1600 lightyears away so at the speed of light you would die before you made it 1-16th of the way there.

If we don't develop warp or some other form of FTL then it's either generational voyages or never leaving the Sol system.
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>>28518387
the emprah will save humanity from this tomb
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Systems that reduce recoil
Systems that control the vector of a bullet after it leaves the barrel (smart bullets)
Expanded LTL options for use in various situations
Self-cleaning firearm mechanisms
Vehicle-portable rail/coilguns
Polymer bullet casings to improve heatsink effect
Robust 3D printable firearms

Lasers and caseless ammunition are not going to become viable man-portable weapons systems in our lifetime, if at all. Plasma weaponry could only work in space and even then it's use is questionable
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>>28518149
The boiling fluids on his tounge only bubbled, they didn't burn him right?
I mean the boiling point decreases with lower pressure, right?
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>>28517938
greater need for armor penetration maybe?

would we see more military's switching to tungsten core armor piercing.

wouldn't necessarily mean a change in weapons systems more than a change in ammo really.

bottleneck pistol cartridges and an increase of PDWs by the same logic?

Airburst weapons in a small arms role?
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>>28518511
"Plasma weaponry" won't really work anywhere, it's little more than a puff of hot air that would immediately disperse (because it's self-repulsive) and become useless if you launch it at anything.
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>>28518171
>>28518174
>>28518311

would it be possible to implement some sort of automatic tourniquet or something? it detects a loss of pressure and clamps closed part of the suit.

like a series of "sphincters" (gotta be a better word in english) that would clamp closed and compartmentalize limbs. like say upper arm, lower arm, upper leg, lower leg.

not gonna help a hole in the head or torso but losing a limb is better than death right?

or is it just that there would be no way of restoring lost pressure?
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What I see happening is, if infantry armor ever becomes more widely used, developed, and more advanced, a bullpup weapon chambered in a full power battle rifle cartridge with a recoil compensating counterweight mechanism (similar to the AEK-971 and AK-107) would become the norm. How ever, if we continue to fight dirt farmers in the desert this will never happen and we'll have the M4 for ever. Other things like caseless ammo and railguns need far more advancement in many different technology fields before they become even remotely usable.
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>>28518727
>How ever, if we continue to fight dirt farmers in the desert this will never happen and we'll have the M4 for ever
Centuries from now civilizations will find the enormous stacks of M4 and AR pattern rifles issued in the continental united states and assume our culture was one that worshiped modular small arms.
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>>28518685
You could just have them permanently compartmentalised with rubber grommets; the person could wear a lycra-style body suit within the space suit which would more or less seal to the body (some private companies were testing them for Mars) while still being comfortable.
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>>28518030
Forgetting about someone, anon?
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>>28518581
It probably felt like drinking a soda, or eating pop rocks.
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op here thanks for the discussions
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>>28518134
It costs 400,000 dollars to fire this weapon for 12 seconds.
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>>28518328
>>28518311

dammit anon, I just completed fuko's route in clannad, and I did not need these feels
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>>28518046

>sensible chuckle
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>>28517920
Railguns more than likely
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>>28518673
Magnetically charged particles in plasma could be used to direct it in a matter similar to a railgun, but it would still be incredibly weak except against unprotected flesh, slow, and would disperse except in a vaccuum (and even then would only work conceptually)
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>>28518727
>if infantry armor ever becomes more widely used, developed,
Infantry armor will never become more advanced than it is now BECAUSE the technology to break through it is faster to develop, cheaper, and more logistically sound than the armor itself will ever be.

Even that microsteel Boeing was showing off would be easier, cheaper and more effective to implement into weapons systems than into armor.
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>>28518749
>assume our culture was one that worshiped modular small arms.

You mean we don't?
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>>28517920
Doesn't rail guns us a ton of energy?
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Bullpups with normal triggers and moddular freedom of the ar15
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>>28518118
There's nothing to slow you down, so firing actually pushes you back, and with no way to stop or redirect yourself you can quite easily push yourself away from where you want to be without proper tethering, and then you're doomed to suffocate if you aren't shot.
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>>28518581
correct. the boiling is not from heat, only from loss of pressure and fluid becoming gas.
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>>28520472
So America will engineer new, high tech laser weaponry that won't recoil their soldiers... And Russia will use regular recoilless rifles.
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>>28517898
>LSAT program reaching completion
New polymer cased 5.56 that weighs about 40% less and is the same size as .357 magnum, new feeding mechanism has less ways to jam and can fit a ~4" longer barrel into the same length gun without moving the magazine location.

>automatic stabilization systems to make it easier to shoot while standing
Pic related was a prototype that allowed people to shoot groups standing unsupported similar to what they could shoot without the stabilization from a bench rest.

>mechanical recoil reduction mechanisms becoming widespread rather than just a couple guns being designed with them

>those laser guided bullets DARPA is working on

>>28520018
>Infantry armor will never become more advanced than it is now BECAUSE the technology to break through it is faster to develop, cheaper, and more logistically sound than the armor itself will ever b
False, ammunition capable of penetrating ESAPI plates such as the 7.62 NATO M993 AP which costs $2.61 a round, do you think that a military power could afford to issue that in significant amounts if soldiers had a significant amount of ESAPI level armor? Then after that there are the XSAPI plates that the US military keeps around just in case they go up against a comparable country that are specifically designed to stop rounds like that M993 AP ammunition and would require either slightly more expensive AP ammunition for a magnum rifle caliber like .338 Lapua that would result in soldiers not being able to carry enough ammo for significant amounts of suppressing fire or incredibly expensive full power rifle ammunition like the 7.62 NATO M948 SLAP that costs the US government several dollars per round and would be outside of what poorer countries could afford to equip their troops with. It doesn't matter how capable of penetrating armor a technology is when it's to expensive to deploy in the quantities that you need and is to heavy to easily transport the quantities that you need.
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>>28517898
Electrolasers. Might make electric shock weapons actually useful.
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>>28523368
Electrolasers are rad as shit. Too bad they don't work in space though.
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>>28518073
Venus has lower gravity than earth but a much thicker atmosphere. Theres more than just mass of a planet to consider. The portions of materials making up the planet matter too.
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>>28517898
>post ar15
energy weapons, and improvements on the AR theme.
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>>28518663
How about smart top attack munitions for small firearms?
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>>28518783
Not him, but you could say browning brought us to gas operated machine guns.
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I think the next real frontiers for firearms are going to be seen in ammunition. I don't know how feasible 'smart' ammo is, but we are already seeing things being done with a package that can be delivered from a 12ga shell that blows my mind.

For example, shells that launch a small grenade that can detect when it has flown through a window, doorway or hole in the wall and detonates in flight on the other side, spraying a everything around that opening with shrapnel.

Who is to say they don't figure out a way to put a small homing rocket into a 12ga shell that will go to wherever you point a laser attached to said shotgun. I could see that happening sooner rather than later.

>>28517988

If they figure this out, then this annon will be right, however. If you can fit a powerful enough power source into a rifle, you can shrink down a magnetic accelerator and thus beings the reign of rail and gauss weapons.

Smarts phones, digital music and the internet. Living in the future is pretty based, I won't lie.
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>>28518064
your joke sucks
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>>28519844
>shitty 12 year old meme
no
NO
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>>28526068
You're*
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>>28518128
Nah, you wouldn't explode. Just get a nasty case of the bends as your blood and bodily fluids all boil out. And it wouldn't necessarily be cold--only mediums of heat transfer in space are conduction with whatever you are touching and radiation from the sun. Keep in mind, that radiation is more than enough to heat things up pretty well.
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