Are these really as bad as you guys say it is, or is it just richfag syndrome?
In terms of relyablity the M1 Style action sucks cock, but in terms of handeling the M14 is the best out of the big 3 imo. The FAL is probably the most B A S E D of them and the PTR is just fucking everywhere
bahd speling aside, he's right. PTR is EVERYWHERE
As someone who already owns $2000 rifles (not rich, I just save my spare money up) I really can't be fucked to buy an M1a. They shit the bed way too easily. Very good range and completion guns however.
Don't listen to them op. They're fairly accurate, the look good, they handle good. The quality is fine and the extremw off chance a part breaks repair is cheap.as for reliability ,Morons shit their pants when you shovel shit into a firearms action and it stops working because of delusional operator fantasy or inability to handle a weapon properly.
it's too expensive for what it is. youre paying that much for something with a cast receiver, non-chromelined barrel, and you have to bed the stock in in order to get it to shoot well.
if it were $1,000 i would be more down but its starting to get into high end AR land
>Are these really as bad as you guys say it is?
Its pretty comfy to shoot and has reasonable accuracy.
You could buy it.
As it is pretty much not an assault weapon.
Say that to my bayonet and not over the fucking internet and see what happens faggit
funny story, but my first rifle was M1A loaded. I was a nogunz and right after sandy hook i walked into my LGS. His shelves were empty and I had no clue what I wanted, but being a no gunz retard and scared shitless of obama i needed to buy a rifle. Right then a UPS trucked pulled in and unloaded a gun delivery adn among them a M1A loaded. I bought it on the spot. Never an issue, very accurate, not a single fte or ftf. Now of course I'm an obsessed has gunz and have over 20 guns, but m1a holds a special place, i love it to death
They're perfectly fine rifles.
Unfortunately, Ian did a dust test with one that was literally designed to make it fail.
And has subsequently connived a lot of the groupthink retards that they're bad.
Because yes, blowing dust at point blank range into the one area of the gun it can get into will make it fail.
But under real conditions, it performs very well.
It has been used in combat all across the world, and it's never suffered a reputation of being unreliable.
>TFW just want to collect 'Nam era guns
>M16a1 and others
Literally the only gun I can buy is a heavy barrel R700 M24 lookalike, but without the others (and already owning a similar .308 bolt action) that doesnt interest me
collector life sucks in this country
Have a norinco m305
Double feeds and generally fucks up
how can I improve this? replace op rod with GI spec? replace springs?
>norinco 305's are now $600+
>they used to be sub $400 a few years back
Pic kinda related, wish I had wood stock not shitty chinese plastic
Four magic letters
M14s are also kind of like M1911s, people buy shitty ones out of spec and wonder why they don't fucking work.
A good one will work about as well as any other semi auto but good ones with properly specced and heat treated parts are hard to come by, which is why the US military doesn't get theirs from Springfield.
Anything Spergfield will universally be bad, out of spec, cast shit. They also tend to be decently accurate. Most issues I see with them are that they're under gassed, out of spec, are lubed with oil instead of grease or have weak springs.
That being said, it is one of the most unique designs that unfortunately hasn't seen a 21st century redesign.
The AR got one, the AK got one, AR18, but in terms of what it could possibly do, it still hurts me to see everybody ignoring the fact that the action itself lends it to possibly being a ridiculously short bullpup with a matching bore axis.
Mean this bullpup?
Which I plan on building because it looks cool.
Does have an issue where rapid fire causes hot gas to build up near your face.
Just your opinion m80.
Also the only bullpup stock I know of for it.
Forgot to ask, who would you get M14 clone from? Springfield is the only one I've found for sale in the US.
But the M14 is already a redesign of the Garand.
I chose an M1A-A1 as my battle rifle back in '99 before things got sketchy in Cali with fun laws. It shoots straight as far as my eyes can effectively see, it has superior penetration to .223, a mag will chew through a block wall like nobody's business, I enjoy the simplicity.
It is also a 7lbs+ hardwood 2x4 with a steel plate on the end that will bash up some shit real good.
I have since migrated to McFreedomstand an built an AR.
Pretty much other m14 clones will be at least half more expensive than an m1a. 8f you really desire mills peckerhead parts you can just replace springfields parts with mulspec replacement.
Okay, my own too perfectly worded and numbered quints are too fucking great to now respond to.
M14 confirmed to be greatest rifle of all time.
The Juggernaut is as to modernization as those 500 dollar SKS chassis is to making the SKS any good.
Modernizing the M14 would involve sealing the action so that it's only open when the bolt reciprocates, moving the charging handle forward, maybe unfucking the piston a bit so it doesn't have so many issues with gassing, maybe free float the barrel which has been done among a few other odd things, like simplifying the receiver a bit.
I'd definitely be a different creature by the end but still have the roots of the M14.
Only two I'd commit to is either the Fulton Armory OR since I have a decent amount of machining, gunsmithing and am going to mech engineer school, a Norinco + the work and money needed to be invested into it where I'd feel truly happy.
Fulton, last I heard, is the closest you get to USGI specs and from what I understand, was who the military turned to when they ran out of Nam era M14s. I have checked one out and found it to be quite accurate, very, very well built, tough as a rock and one of the best brands.
For me who fucking loves M14s because I grew up on Nam lit and stories, it's worth the price tag because I'll never get to own a milsurp one. If it's not, for you, Norinco is fine but there are issues with things like the Piston being improperly heat treated so it's definitely worth checking out if you're on a budget and are willing to put in the work.
Springfield can eat a dick in my books.
double feed sounds like a mag issues, check the feed lips and the plastic do-dad---- Floor plate... Sorry it's late... Anyways. Do that first.
It has issues and is a PITA to reload for and will chew brass to bits, but I love mine, there are some /better/ options out there but I'd buy another one if I had the money.
I heard if you shove muck and shit into the action it can fail.
Even AR 15s fail.
In fact I don't think there is a gun that exists where if you open the action and fill it with muck that won't fail.
>put glass on my chingchong m14 last summer
>scope mount is kinda fat and gets in the way of ejecting empty cases pretty often
It isn't much of an issue since it's a range queen and I don't mind shooting one round at a time, but is there anything I can try doing aside from trimming the mount?
Nuh uh! AK47's can have cement shovelled into its actions, hardened, and still function flawlessly! Hell, you can even toss an AK into molten metal and it'll still shoot well!
Now, any other rifle, if you sneeze into their actions, they fall apart.
Ew, dude, that's probably why you're having issues. Get the one from M14.ca or the Sadlak side mount.
lol so insightful, 10/10 post would read again
SAN or Famae SG42-1 in .308, XCR .308
Well that sucks, because ProMag is pure ass.
I honestly think it will be better in the long run if people think the M1A is shit. The groupthink will help lower reputation and make a dent in the crazy high aftermarket price of these rifles.
Friends don't let Friends buy promag.
Get some checkmate magazines, they won the contract for producing the military's M14/EBR magazines since desert storm.
I have a "golden age" Springfield M1A USGI with real H&R & Winchester parts. The walnut stock is the reason I got it, but it shoots well the few times I've gotten around to shooting it.
Never had any problems with mine. Ive shot steel case, milsurp, match ammo and hand loads thru it. Have never had a single malfunction in the 3 years Ive owned it. I paid 1399 for it and its a Loaded M1A. I sold an AR to pay for it. Not even mad.
It's a unique design that hasn't had a redesign becasue it is inherently not as reliable as other designs. Certainly interesting, hence why reproductions of various quality are made today but there really isn't much you can fix with it.
You helped introduce me to them many moons ago.
Ham sammich doesn't equal mud.
Mud is full of sand and pebbles and shit.
It causes much more friction in the action than something like a sammich does.
Even the mighty AK can not work properly if you actually slather the internal components in mud.
>not owning an original WW2 spec M1 garand
>an original WW2 spec M1 garand
And your scope mount and repro flash hider have added to the value of your gun by at least 10 fold.
Whole different story imbel make god teir fal with literally fn machinery.
This is well known. Imbel is highly sought after. Falfile expert can confirm me.
M1a otherwise complete garbage out of spec cast receiver sith out of spec parts that often wilm break prematurely and need to be replaced with gi parts.
This is Springfield m1a.
But fulton m1a is actually best and close to old m14 spec and quality wise.
Then theres the inferiority design of m1a. A open action whichs shit for real serious use.
But if you have fulton its is whole different animal from Springfield and is respectable.
Just make sure you don't miss with that first shot if you happen to be in the middle of a sandstorm or had just fallen over and submerged the gun in mud since you will not get a second chance. Probably not the best choice for TEOTWAWKI.
Otherwise its kind of expensive for what you get and with the cheaper ones expect to have to replace a few parts and/or send it in for warranty work once or twice when shit breaks.
Have you got a shorty model (18.5" barrel) M305?
I've heard alot of people with short Norc M14's having issues with side mounted rails pinching spent casings between the mount and top of the charging handle.
Like mentioned, the M14.ca CASM mount usually avoids those pinch issues. Other fixes were shortening the ejector spring.
I personally have a 22" Norc M14 with an ARMS 18, and for whatever reason there's no problems.
>mfw I paid $350 for new M305 5 years ago
The issue with mine is I can only fully instert a magazine with the bolt closed.
THIS IS MY RIFLE, THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT, BUT THIS ONE IS MINE.
>hear horror stories on /k/
>fear cracked receivers
>fear broken ejector
>take it to range
>put 500 rounds of sketchy Indian ammo
>put 200 hollow points through my kimber 1911
>realize /k/ hate may mays are fucking retarded
>>put 200 hollow points through my kimber 1911
>>realize /k/ hate may mays are fucking retarded
Two problems here
>seriously believing Kimber being shit is just a /k/ meme
>not realizing that Kimber's problem isn't overall quality or shit designs, it's horrible QC and consistency
You got a good Kimber, great. Most people do. The issue is many do not. All that money for a pistol should go to better QC and for them to use decent MIM.
Like many things from any group of people there are grains of truth to many of what they shitpost. The M1A has issues of reliability if you try to press it into anything other than a neat toy to play at the range with issues that should not occur with a rifle that costs over 1,000 for a base model. Same with the Kimber.
Having shot an M1A with a trigger job it is a very fun gun that had no hiccups but I would pick an FAL or AR-10 any day.
500 rounds... Thats fucking nothing.
Wait until round count get real you will be filled with regret.
It is not /k/ maymay it is from knowledge /k/ommando thats is also member of another numerous forums. Go google Springfield m1a issues and problems. Go google Springfield m1a cast receiver. Go Google Springfield m1a op rod. Google Springfield m1a hammer.
Dont you dare to say anything positive about garbage Springfield m1a until you have read over 500 thread on those. The negatives come from first hand Springfield m1a and numerous m14/m1a experts. There is large number of each platform experts and for m1a theres quite alot and i can tell you they do not respect Springfield m1a especially newer one since like 8 years when dumb fuck Springfield cut cost and went shit.
Although their 1911 still to nowadays is made very well including brazil forged frame whichs very good. I would have no problem with using Springfield brazil forged frame over American made one.
Stuipd fuck m1a fag does zero real research/10
Wouldn't op8 with/8
They're ridiculously long and way too heavy, even for a .308 battle rifle.
Only thing they really have going for them is more accurizing parts available/more gunsmiths knowledgeable about them compared to other semi .308s.
No. they weight about same as fal and ptr. All around 12lb.
But the feel if weight might fool you because of its center of gravity point is farther away from shooter than fal.
The length's normal for battle rifle especially when compared to fal and ptr not another shorter battle rifle like mas.
If you hold all battle rifle by their intended point for hand yeah m1a would feel heaviest but if you instead hold all battle rifle by pair if looped string nearest to center of gravity for each they all weight extremely similar.
meh, I'd try to get a M14.ca mount, a SADLAK mount, or a smith enterprises mount