stupid shit we used to think

>>28507809
How often do soldiers switch to full auto? If anyone has had training on this I would be curious

>>28507809
i never thought any of that
ever

>>28507825
Almost never, plus mostly 3 round burst mang, unless u oper8tor

>>28507825
From my understanding, basically never. Semi auto gets the job done without burning through all your ammo.

>>28507925
Unless your opper8tor tho, then it's straight up action movie hero for you
>high speed, low drag
>real deal seal team 6

>>28507809
>Desert Eagle fires a .50 BMG (I was sooo confused)
>bullets had the force to physically throw someone to the ground
>shotguns are the best home defense weapons
>US Army infantrymen are elite

>Glocks were safe
>Glocks were safe

>>28507825
The way we do it only the lead scout will engage full auto at the start of a contact and this is only in close country. Or if shit hits the fan and your conducting a break contact drill or counter ambush drill.

>>28507809
The mp5 is a rifle

>5.56 is the same as .223

I didn't know how dialing in your sights for longer range shots worked

>>28507825
Unless you're using an LMG for covering fire I would say 5 round bursts would be the absolute max (and that's for close range engagements) semi or small bursts are good

>>28508043

I thought it fired rifle ammo

>a bullet passing through a hat will let the hat fly off the person who is wearing it

stupid shit i tell ya

>>28507809
>semi automatic is less reliable than bolt action or revolvers
But that's true

>>28508086

In general, its true, yes. Not always

>>28507986
Newfag here, I have to say I thought the same thing about the deagle lol

But I'm curious as to why you say shotguns are not the best for home defence? What is better?

>>28507809

>any long gun that fired pistol ammo was a submachine gun

This is basically true except for semi-auto-only carbines.

>>28507825
when shit gets real bad. same as side-arm

>>28508098
it's only true for gas-alarm guns
they have not enough pressure to cycle reliably so revolvers are actually more dependable

>>28508127

side arm is used to get to your primary arm, newfag. except when out of ammo which basically shouldnt happen

>>28508156
no.
side arm is there so that you don't have to save a bullet from your primary so the sandniggers don't get you alive.

>>28508156
it happens, newfag. i used my sidearm like twice in 25 years, fullauto once.

>>28508118

Unwieldy, over-penetrates, slow rate-of-fire.

My go-to would be my AR. Less unwieldy, .223/5.56 will, on average, penetrate less than most common shot and handgun rounds, significantly higher rate-of-fire while allowing for better retention of control.

>>28508118
Yeah I would say some .45 ACP hollow point is the best for home defense. If you hit someone in the leg they are going down and have no chance of getting back up

>>28508194
Why would you want a huge rate of fire for home defence though

Do you plan on shooting one or two nig nogs that broke into your house 15 times each?

And they make home defence rounds for shotguns, not to mention you can put a pistol grip on the shotgun for the whole unweildy thing

>>28508179
You used a full auto side arm? Oh shit you must be oper8tor af

>>28508256
no you dumb shit.

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>Thought that military officers are issued .44 mag or .357 mag revolvers due to their armor piercing capacity.
>Thought that if you got a penetrating hit on a unarmored man with a gun anywhere in their body with any caliber boolet, they would die, no questions.
>Thought that all guns were legal in the US due to my uncle having a FA
>Thought that bullets punched clean holes through meat like through thin steel
>thought the golden gun was the pinnacle of handgun technology and that it must use .44mag
>Thought all RPGs or ATGM type launches were all refered to as Bazooka-XXX with X being their name like a RPG would be Bazooka-RPG etc.
>Thought shotguns were shit at any range at all.
>Thought all hunting was like loony Toons Fudd shit
>Thought all guns had like 100 round mags
>genuinely thought magazine was a shitty word, I mean Magazine books already have that name, that's dumb I'll call them clips to avoid confusion.

I was a Fudd, but at least I liked Scurry black guns and figured out that only autistic fags and dark people commit crimes.

>>28508245

Are you okay with the possibility of missing those couple of shots which the shotgun's rate-of-fire allows for?

>But Anon, I'm not going to miss.

That can't be automatically assumed.

As for the second point, a home defense shell for a shotgun is still a shot-shell which will, on average, over-penetrate more than a typical intermediate cartridge. As well, "home-defense" rounds exist for nearly every firearm available, making that point moot.

A pistol grip will not make a shotgun barrel shorter. A saw will, but then you run the risk of poking the BAFTE-bear.
A 16" carbine firing an intermediate round is significantly easier to sustain fire with than an 18" 12-gauge shotgun.

>>28508118
Any carbine man.

AR is my go-to right now. The round is a small, fast bastard that tears itself apart in bodies/walls.

Shotgun rounds that will do a significant amount of damage to a person, will go through walls like there's nothing there. Because they're big, slow, fat mother fuckers that don't give a shit about stuff in their way. Think bowling ball or wrecking ball against a building.

Pistol rounds are the slow, fit guy that you wouldn't want to run into, because he's fucking huge. They just barrel through walls like a regular fucker.

Fast, small rounds zip through, destroy themselves on the wall fast, or in the body. Slow, fat mother fuckers don't give a shit that there's anything there.

>>28508276
C'mon it's obviously a joke

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>>28508118
I always use my CVA .45 muzzleloading pistol for home defence, fuck the neighbors

>>28508321
couldn't tell if it was some nofuns kid or a joke, my bad

>>28508308

Saving cuz I like the analogies.

>>28508326

Noice

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>>28508344
Lol same

I used to think red dots sights were a valid alternative to holographic sights

>>28508367
Being the local gun-nut among my friends, I have to explain to them time-and-again how if they are only going to get one gun, and are willing to spend $X, and will not be CC-ing, an AR should be their primary home-defense firearm.

They still come back later with "I wanna fuddy-five so I'm guaranteed the fucker will drop".

>>28508343
It's ok...all we have to do is kiss a bit and everything will be fine

>>28508118
>what is better?
Small caliber military rifles (5,56, 5.45, etc.) with detachable magazines are better because they offer a lot more versatility, larger capacity, and fast follow up shots.

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>>28508344
>>28508367

Glad you fuckers enjoyed it.

I'm switching my home defense gun to an SBR'd PS90 with a suppressor on it. Why?

Because fuck you that's why.

Also because it's a small, fast bastard of a round that with the right bullet tears through flesh like a fraternity brother tears through sorority girls.

>>28508118
shotguns a best
just point at the ceiling where your baby sleeps, pull the trigger twice and the bad guys will be scared and go away

>>28508326
Felon detected

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>>28508432
Been thinking of doing the same

>>28508432
If I had the cash, I'd give my AR to my brother and do the same :^)

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>>28508444
Gotta be prepared to fight the replicators.

Also 5.7 is incredibly quiet out of a silenced SBR.

>>28508464
Sucks to suck.

I got my PS90 for $1000. Got a Vortex VIPER red dot to go on it for about $150.

Total the build will run me $1500 after the NFA stamp.

>>28508482
Now I just don't know what you're trying to prove.

>>28508236
Mobility kill =/= neutralization

>>28508492
That I'm a luck son of a bitch.

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>>28508476
More importantly, it may also function as carter lure.

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>be 7 or 8
>first time shooting
>dad breaks out the P5
>shoots it
>spent casings eject
>dont see anything in the gun move
>can see that the slide CAN, well, slide back and forth
>cant see it happening when gun fires
>be baffled for months about how brass escapes from gun

I was somehow convinced that the gun had to be locked, and not move, at all, to safely fire. In my head i was struggling to envision brass fucking teleporting through solid KRUPP STAHL somehow.

Holy shit

This entire thread and all the posts in it

Literal Day/k/are cancer

>>28508387
L3 pls go

>>28508118
A handgun for a few reasons.

>double column mags give dat firepower
>easy to retain
>easier to manipulate in tight spaces
>lethal
>follow up shots (a lot of close gunfights involve a few moments of skraight blasting, whosoever blasts the most often wins)
>point and click

A downside would that missing under stress may be a bit easier. Shotguns dont have some magical ability to insta crit humans or whatever people think, sure, being paralyzed due the effects of the massive temporary cavity exists, but passing a bullet close to or through a CNS area is devastating for most centerfire calibers.

>tanks should have more armor in the rear
>going into the military is a good decision
>semi only versions of auto guns are pointlessly neutered and not worth owning
>salt weapons should be legal in the country and not cities

>>28508395
i don't particullarly believe that the ar 15 is the panacea to everything like everyone else simply believes but...

>.45
>more stoppan powah than xm198

fuck no

>>28508476
>>28508432
then what happened to all the claims that 5.7 had less lethality than most conventional pistol cartridges?

>>28507825
In the Canadian military the only time full auto should be used according to doctrine is when storming a trench or if you are told to do so by your section commander. Even when conducting urban ops, we only really use "repetition"

>>28507809
>used to think soldiers used full auto all the time
>thought the mp5 was a rifle (thanks agent under fire)
>thought a red dot sight projected a laser
>thought M16s, M4s, AKs were blowback, and all handguns were blowback (as in like a hipoint)
>though the bolt hold open was magic, how does it know your gun is empty????
>thought open bolt was the same thing as a reciprocating bolt handle
>semi automatic is less reliable than bolt action or revolvers
>any long gun that fired pistol ammo was a submachine gun

Not if your parents introduced you to firearms before you ever saw them in media.

>>28508633
Are there compact, semi-auto shotguns?

>>28508727
wow you're so cool give yourself a big pat on the cock

>>28508795
>Are there compact, semi-auto shotguns?
If you want a shotgun that acts like a rifle/pistol, why not just buy the rifle/pistol instead

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>>28508795
There are, but theres good, solid mechanical reason you dont see pistol grips on semi auto shotguns. shooting one without having the stock on something that wont move much is the equivalent of limp wristing an auto pistol like a glock or something. the recoil accelrates the gun at a pace too close to the bolt speed, and it malfunctions. this is even more likely under stress, or in hand to hand combat wrestling for a shotgun. it goes off, or you try to shoot it from a weird position and it jams.

Rifles dont have this problem in a non-trivial sense, their bolt speed is supa lightning quick, just ask your local Armalite Rifle.

>>28508987
not agreeing with it, but buckshot gives the same effect as fragmenting 5.56. The damage it inflicts is much greater than the sum of the diameter of its projectiles

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>grain measurement was actually the number of grains of gunpowder in that round

>>28511374

It sounds legit though. Back in the days of black powder when they ran the paste through a screen it would make large granules.

>>28509041
It seems carbines are preferable for home defense, but I was looking at something like what kel tec makes. With a stock of course but less total length than most shotguns.

>>28511374

That's more or less how they measured black powder back in the day


>used to think military ball ammo was literally a ball in a brass cartridge
>M2 ball was a a .30 caliber ball stuffed in a .30-06 case

Although I'm half right because when the army used muzzleloaders it was literally ball ammo, as opposed to shot.

>also thought full metal jacket meant steel cased rounds

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>M16 is stronger and better than AK47, because it looks newer.
>a "machinegun" (=any SMG, AR, or legit MG) holds hundreds of BULLETS inside them.
>.45 colt, .45 ACP and many other "old" bullets were weaker and smaller than the full 9mm we have today.

>>28511763

>thought the .54 cal muskets used in the civil war were more potent than a .50 bmg because .54 is a bigger number

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>>28508118
>>28508308

12 gauge confirmed as juggernaut


bitch

>Thought bullets didn't drop
>thought .308 win was same as 7.62x51
>thought bullets shot upward went into space.