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How owuld you fight a war against an army like this?
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Probably just stop watching
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Nukes, chemical weapons, and a whole lotta BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTT.

I know it's 1987 anime land but they are doing shit wrong.
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By using air superiority and bombing them to (kek) hell before they even got close to the horizon of those trenches.
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>>28502278
They've got tiny ones in the back that shoot fucking LASER BEAMS, which is why they cant use air power.
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>>28502278
what do you do after they develop lasers to counter the aircraft
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>>28502244

Just wait for Japan to think up of a super weapon powered by a brain in a jar in a girl with her Russian psychic friend, which would penetrate the Hive and end this problem because ML:A had a rushed ending.

But seriously though, if you want to start up a "/k/ kills the BETAs" thread, post the page explaining what they all do so everyone can get on the same page. And that page is "fuck the BETAs, I am out"
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>>28502296
Fuck them, use some kind of land launched missle, MLRS, M109's, fuck'em.
In fact, how the fuck could they produce laser bees if they are organic beings who can barely have any way of using simple tools?
You know what, fuck you. Your anime a shit.
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>>28502332
>what is biotechnology
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>>28502347
How the fuck does a living thing produce enough energy to have its own laser?
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Rub one out to an Alexis Texas vid and then put a hollowpoint in my dome.
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>>28502391
>Rub one out to an Alexis Texas vid
>One
>Alexis Texas
>Not a wanking marathon of 10 different qts
m8
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>>28502364
500 years ago : how the fuck can a machine produce the energy to fly?
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>>28502455
Consider that we need a nuclear reactor to have a good enough laser for missle defense...
How the fuck would something living be able to contain that much energy without nearly Dying instantly?
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>>28502244
BIOLOGICAL WARFARE
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>>28502481
probably the same way computer processors got smaller and more efficient?
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>>28502481
Listen here you little shit, give me a good example of how a carbon based lifeforms could not only keep in, but also GENERATE enough power to have a laser.
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>>28502481
>Consider that we need a nuclear reactor to have a good enough laser for missle defense...

That's not true though. standard DD powerplants generate more than enough power for a high powered FEL and railguns along with their radar systems and everything else all at the same time. Power generation has never been the problem.
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>>28502529
They aren't carbon based, they're silicon based I think.
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>>28502574
Holy fuck, silicon is a for of carbon, but how the fuck can it even create fucking LIFE. Think about that for a moment. In the meantimr, odds are I'll just get out of the dream and realize this threads topic never happened.
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>Argunging about animuuuuh trash
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>>28502244

Sexy giant robots!
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Can I just jump into the anime or do I need to play the VNs first?
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>>28502244
It is simple.
When the enemies get bigger,
we must make the operators bigger.
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>>28502598
They're basically organic mining tools created and controlled by some other beings to spread around the universe and gather whatever materials their creators need.
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>>28502244

The same way I fought against these.
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>>28502244
Mirrors
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artillery and air strikes, all to easy
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>>28502244
Mines.
Lots of mines.
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>>28502702
Organic means it has carbon, senpai
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>>28502630
>defense with a shitload of trenches
>but....
>no s-mines
>no AT mines (they would work at the weight with these things)
>no HMG nests
>no automatic grenade launcher
>no mechanized inf. with APC and IFV (auto cannons)
>no SPAAG with auto cannons
>also, no flamethrowers

ching chong bing bong, please
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>>28502244
name of the anime?

worth watching?
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>>28502748
what if you run out of mines beore they run out of bodies
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>>28502777
build more
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>>28502771
Read filename, faggot
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>>28502724
lasers shoot them down

the whole setting is set up to explain why the fuck you'd want a mech flying 10 feet above the ground practically getting in knife fights with bio robots. Anything you put above the horizon gets vaporize by walking bio-lasers powered by technobabble.
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>>28502771
Read the novels instead.
>>28502777
Fix bayonets

t. nationale volksarmee
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>>28502752
Then they're simply mining tools, I don't remember the full original explanation. Incidentally they didn't consider humans to be proper life for the same reasons.
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>>28502790
thought it was jargon

>>28502796
too late. But will consider them if the first episode is absolute weaboo trash
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>>28502244
If we can't fly or use missles, just make a whole bunch of killdozers v2's
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>>28502796
>Mpi-K jams
slavshits just can't catch a break can they.
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>>28502455
>500 years ago : how the fuck can a machine produce the energy to fly?

I really, really, really hate this type of thinking.
This is what theists mean when they say atheists worship science as if it were God.

>Science can do anything you just have to BELIEVE.
How 'bout no.
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>>28502827
They're good if you like Cold War shenanigans with WH40K flavor.
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>>28502795
how autistic

this is all what they would need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf6CsvAffHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60IFLPBmdW0
just a few times bigger
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>>28502832
why dont they use mobile forces to fire at the BETA while keeping out of melee range?
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>>28502832

>East Germany

So what happened to the rest of the USSR?
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>>28502244
What anime?
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>>28502837
the point was that in the past, there were many things humanity thought was impossible because our level of science hadnt advanced that far yet.

100 years ago the idea of a modern PC would have been labeled as impossible.

The idea of aircraft sinking battleships also used to be "impossible". So was the idea of cavalry being replaced by tanks.
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>>28502878
Because that would leave a gap in the line. BETA hordes would just overwhelm them.
Its a last ditch scenario for Europe.
>>28502890
BETA hives.
America nukes the hive that lands in North America, but the gommies tried to capture theirs.
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>>28502910
>America nukes the hive that lands in North America
USA. USA. USA.

>>28502910
>but the gommies tried to capture theirs.
Literally what

So the DDR is the only remnant of the USSR?
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>>28502929
Sorta, theirs some remnants in Siberia, but most of it is fucked.
One of the characters even jokes about how Moscow is a city in name only.
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Nukes
land mines

>>28502296
fly higher
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>>28502244
shoot them with a lot of big guns and throw bombs at them.

The only reason they are as powerful as they are is because the plot demanded they be, irl there's no reason they would be resistant to weapons.
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Make I-fields
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>>28503021
They're not invincible per se, there's just a lot of them.
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>>28502910
>gap in the line

So just kill them all then move back to re-occupy
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>>28503008
>fly higher
you're going to have to go up a fair ways
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Why don't they use nukes?
If the ayy lmaos win, the ecosystem in the area is fucked anyway.
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>>28502856
it's palatable thus far. Cute girls doing cute things in mech suits isn't my fav but im enjoying the cold war shit
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>>28503085
fucking Greenpeace
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>>28503095
>those fuckers began their organization in a Church near where I used to live

fucking hippies
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>>28502900
There is literally ZERO precedent in the world for an analogue to a living animal containing the energy density of a nuclear powerplant.

Not only has our level of science not "advanced that far yet", biological evolution has not either and literally billions of years of evolution is a hell of a better engineer than the finest minds of all of human history.

It's utter nonsense, you may as well start claiming that Godzilla is possible too, we just haven't found a way to bring him to life yet.
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>>28502244
they've beaten self assembling robots, these fags are ez.
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>>28503065
so they have magic "you can use plane" guns, got it
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>>28502244
>How owuld you fight a war against an army like this?
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>>28502244
by being real-life Soviet Army circa circa 1983-
that means steamrolling these discount arachnids with thousands upon thousands of MBTs, herding them up into concentrations that the largest number of gun and tube arty the world has ever seen will pulverise or blast with the largest arsenal of instant sunshine.
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>>28503119
Its handwaved by the BETA being artificially engineered by ancient aliens using space magic.
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>>28503149
Doesn't work well when they out zerg rush your zerg rush.
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>>28502244
>muv luv39
This only lead me to some weird dude doing a lets play of a hentai game. What's this anime called?
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>>28503195
Muv Luv: Schwarzemarken.
It's a spinoff of a porn game.
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>>28503195
I googled the same thing and got the fucking wiki article you lazy cunt
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>>28503195
Schwarzesmarken
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>>28503195
>>28503215
Or just muv luv anime 2016.
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>>28503215
>muv luv39
>all results are hentai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aG0Xqs6bRM
fite me faget
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>>28502244
Tell the Americans that they have oil.
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>>28503182
I get that, I'm saying the whole "anything is possible with SCIENCE! if you just have faith!" thought process is incredibly common and incredibly annoying.
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>>28503309
I agree.
Its the type of thing you see people who have no actual scientific background post on facebook because they read a PopSci article on something.
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>>28502960
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>>28503309
>>28503331
But its not 'science', its a fantasy setting using 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'.

And then you have characters like S00mika.
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>>28503392
I know that senpai.
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>>28502244
>How owuld you fight a war against an army like this?
Bomb the ever living shit out of them
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>>28503309
Well, anything is kind of possible. I know nothing about the show other than what I have see posted ITT.

If the laser bees are truly bee-like, I could see them sacrificing themselves in some sort of biologically activated and controlled nuclear reaction, fission more likely than fusion but we already crossed the crazy line. They would have to either be able to internally synthesize large atom elements (phrasing it that way because the large atoms of uranium and plutonium is exactly why it is possible for humans to use it in nuclear systems, but I won't go into that further), be able to create a nuclear reacion with smaller sized atom (or just do fusion), or some other entirely theoretical process to start a nuclear reaction.

I would try to keep the fiction ground for believability, let's say these shits have infested a large area of the earth, they very well could have access to area where there is uranium deposits (don't get hung up on the semantics here). I would say they "laser bees" life cycle involves ingesting large quantites of uranium to be stored and used in a semi-controlled nuclear reaction interally where the enery output is focused through something similar to the early eye "lenses" of prehistoric earth life (which are of such high quality that some were used as lenses into modern times for real). These parts, with a chitinous hard body for further focusing and addtional lenses perhaps too are all biologically possible. The act of firing da lazors kills the bee, just like a real bee.

I think that's fairly grounded, especially since were are talking about engineered life, not naturally evolved life.

Again, never seen this anime.
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>>28502244
reinstitute every surplus weapon and jury rig them with skeleton crew and a suicide button
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>>28503443
That actually worked for a bit, then the mining machines adapted.
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So, is it better than TE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVLuq6grXsM
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>>28503481
>scrotum
>scrotum
>penis
>pubic lice?
>penis
>vagina dentata
>penis
>vagina

Why are the BETA so gross?
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>>28502244
Mines. Lots and lots of mines, for hundreds of miles.
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>>28503551
Well, it is a porn game.
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>>28503592
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>>28503611
What sort of jury-rigged nuke is this, is that a fucking soup can on the right?
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>In the 1970s, the BETA advance resulted in the IJN bringing the Yamato-class warships back into active service.

For what purpose?
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>>28503714
Hurt pride.
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>>28502748
These are really fucking uninspired. Without the labels there isn't anything that makes each unique / recognisable as it's namesake
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>>28503714
Muh Yamato Damashi son
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>>28503748
The whole franchise is pretty much just wasted potential, really.
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>>28503748
I dunno, I think I could tell what the Thunderbolt one was pretty easy.
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>>28502497
>BIOLOGICAL

>2 hours
>absolutely nobody else has even sugested this
They're big bugs. Find a disease, chemical, germ, fungus, etc., that eats BETA and makes them sick. Realease as much of it as quick as you can so they can't bullshit their way out of it with "evolution." Then while they're off your planet, keep breeding stronger and stronger strains of the virus, while creating as many other alternatives as you can. Push back to the moon, then mars, then however farther back you have to go. Fuck the hippies, launch supersonic nukes at every rock that isn't the Earth, and irradiate them until there's no chance anything can live on it anymore.

Rebuild, find ways to enslave BETA that remain (a la Broodwar UED) and send them out into the universe to rout out remaining bugs. When that's done, find a way to kill your enslaved BETA for good.
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>>28503714
aircraft are usually unusable and they function as shore bombardment
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>>28502481
>Consider that we need a nuclear reactor to have a good enough laser for missle defense...
Where's the reactor in those 747's that carry lasers?
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>>28503748
To be honest, they should've pulled a macross and just made them all planes that can transform into mechs.
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>>28503119
you know that there was also zero precedent in the past for a flying machine right?
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>>28503481
>They never, ever hit allies
OK, so we capture some of the little fuckers, stab their eyes out, and strap them to the bottoms of our planes.
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>>28503800
>Realease as much of it as quick as you can so they can't bullshit their way out of it with "evolution."

That sounds nice until you find out that they are actually smart and use your bio weapon against you.
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>>28503134
yea because the artilley will totally be able to fire fast enough before being overwhelmed.
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>>28503826
>birds
>gliders
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>>28503840
Things that are not machines humans could use to fly.
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>>28503833
Remember the part where I said "as quick as you can?" You even quoted it in your post.
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>>28503840
birds aren't machines.

gliders don't fly, they glide.
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>>28503855
It was only a matter of time before someone figured out slapping an engine onto a glider was a good idea. in fact, before the Wright brothers, there were attempts at powered flight, they just failed.
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Drop the moon on them.
I'd like to see the fuckers get out of that
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>>28503872
yes, but back then, how many people told them that flying was impossible?
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>>28503085
I'd imagine you want to at some point re-use the territory you retake from the BETA and not just have irradiated wasteland ala 2000AD. Unless the idea of massive sprawling mega-cities that extend across entire sections of a continent are your thing.
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>>28503961
You mean like Nagasaki and Hiroshima?
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>>28503961
nukes are also shitty at killing stuff if the radiation doesnt work, and the beta arent vulnerable to radsiaton iirc.

And you wont be able to produce enough nukes if you keep using them for every battle.
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>>28503976
those were pretty weak as far as nukes go
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So would it be better to do the Games, anime, or novels? This is somewhat confusing.
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>>28504002
And? The land is still useable. There's people who still live in Chernobyl.
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>>28503456
The lenses I was talking about are the calcite crystal eye lenses of trilobites, which people did use as lenses for other things on occasion. But I think maybe the chitin lens most bugs have nowadays could work too, maybe.

It all only has to survive one go.
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>>28502244
The first two episodes of that were great, then it was all harem this and jap nationalism that.
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>>28503976
I think i failed to understand how many nukes would be used in this hypothetical scenario. That people still live in those cities is kind of surprising, you would think residual radiation would be kind of a problem.
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>>28504016
games first, novels second, anime third.
>>28504026
TE was funny but shit.
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>>28504032
So just go in order of release with the games?
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>>28504018
Don't be stupid, you know he's saying that more powerful nukes would fuck shit up for human habitation for a long time. the jap bombs were weak sauce, and Chernobyl is even more weak sauce, from a nuclear weapon standpoint. Even then, there are large areas of Chernobyl that WILL kill you if you go there, red forest is one I believe.
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>>28504048
yeah pretty much.
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>>28503976
One of the potential timelines of the series does involve carpet nuking the BETA.
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>>28504114
G-bombs is sum serious shit
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>>28503353
>The soviet union couldn't capture a hive.
>But japan could

my sides
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>>28504114
Why is France grading the white house?
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>>28504459
see >>28504125
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>>28504459
The USSR was gone by the 80's and the first hives showed up on Japan way later, when they had better tech, also being backed up by the UN whereas the gommies were on their own.
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>>28504563
The rest of the world got fucked.
America survived by nuking the BETA hive that lands in Canada.
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>>28504604
There probably wasn't even a hive, they were just sick of Canada's shit.
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>>28503046
So what? There's a lot of us too. And we're not retards that have to melee.
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Oh Fug, it really was just a porn game
http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Muv-Luv

fugginlulz
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>>28504655
A porn game with PLOT.
Thick, soft PLOT.
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>>28504661
wew, that's some good plot
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>>28504655
>porn game

there is almost no porn in muv luv alternative.
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>>28504661
there are a lot of eroges with plot though. I don't think many people play them just for the titties.
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>>28502271
This, Anime is trash
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>>28504725
so it's almost not a porn game.
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>>28502244
With pic related.
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>>28504770
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>>28504743
>post star trek

lol
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>>28503907
None. Someone find me a goddamn blimp.
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>>28504744
yea just like how the sex scenes in james bond movies make it a almost not porn movie.
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>>28504905
blimps float.
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willie pete....and napalm. shit loads of it...also beehive rounds.
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>>28502244
Traditional combined arms approach.
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>>28505013
you know that doesnt work right
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>>28502244

Skimmed the wiki for the series.

Spam anti-laser warheads.

Start the initial bursts just past the horizon, then work inwards until the anti-laser cloud covers all alien-inhabited area.

Then ignite humanity's entire thermonuclear stockpile on them.
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>>28505961
their hives are too deep underground
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>>28505970
>I have no idea what a bunker buster nuke is, nor the concept of VX gas

Hit with bunker buster nuke, follow on shots of VX shells. VX moves down exposed holes, killing everything it touches.

>they'll just evolve!

Evolve your way out of necrosis, faget. Or fucking mini stars.

Oh, and the retards up thread that think nukes would destroy the land and can't imagine how people are living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It wasn't because they were weak bombs. It was becausr they were air burst detonations. Minimizes soil contamination and maximizes heat transferance and shockwave. Which is how nukes do their damage. Reason chernobyl is still irradiated is because it was a nuclear melt down that spread a shit ton of radioactive material all over the local area. So yeah, if these aliens showed up in real life? It would be carpet nuking with air bursts and repopulating the areas after a few years to let the alpha radiation half-life it's way down to a safe level. Biggest problem might be getting an eco system revived in the areas, though nature is a tough son.
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Is there an anime for, I can't remember what this is called?

The games look like absolute shit, but if OP's webm is an anime based on it I'd like to know what it is
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>>28502332
>land launched missle
They btfo that too

Any aerial ordnance is useless against laser class

>>28502497
They can survive on the moon, they eat that shit for breakfast
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Where do I start with Muv-Luv? I know that you go from Extra/Unlimited to Alternative, but where should I go with the extra material? Is it worth it?
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>>28503714
cannon fodder.
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>>28503833

> Silicon based lifeforms
> bioweapon against them would also be silicon based
> using our own bioweapon against us

throw sand in our eyes is about as far as they will get.

>>28503714

Inconsistency much?

> 460mm round that goes Mach 2 by the time it lands.
> immune to laser interception
> MIRV that re-enters at Mach 20, fast enough to have it's own sheathe of plasma to disperse lasers
> HOLY SHIT LASER CLASS
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>>28503865
Both use the same basic principal of lift that is critical to mechanized flight.
Holy shit you're stupid. Read a book nigger.
By your logic eventually a human will figure out how to run at lightspeed because "science"
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>>28502244
Napalm
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>>28504917
I'm sure the difference is that a JB movie is far less gratuitous and the women aren't stupid hentai twats that almost literally say "please rape my face."
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GRAD SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS

(if you take out the lasers first)
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>>28506422
the eye lasers can't fire fast enough to counter all that. Although if they tons of lasers then maybe a salvo of flechettes would be warranted
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>>28502598
>silicon is a form of carbon
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>>28502598
Dream on.
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>>28506268
its not immune to interception, artillery can fire for much more sustained periods than missiles can, and are cheaper per round.
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>>28506301
a blimp is essentially a giant balloon, modern planes use turbines.

Could there be scientific developments that will allow a human to run at or near light speed? Entirely possible.
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>>28506354
>far less gratuitous

Yea because JB movies these days don't have a scantily clad female lead and sex scenes.
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>revert back to 19th century warfare with firing lines and shit
>replace the infantryman with tanks
>not those weak ass "anime lol" tanks but 40k style massive 300mm main gun 120mm automatic coax tanks
>March to the sea
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>>28502244
>How owuld you fight a war against an army like this?

Like they do in the VNs. The animes are very bad representations of how humanity actually fights the BETA due to budget constraints in animation.

Step 1: Fire special artillery shells over laser BETA concentrations. When the lasers destroy those shells, clouds of heavy metal are deployed which greatly degrade the accuracy and power of the lasers. This allows the employment of conventional artillery in greater numbers. Also, this is why battleships were brought back into service (they receive updated armour and weapons too).

Step 2: Send in the TSF. With their ability to alternate between ground and air movement, they can slip through BETA lines to find the laser concentrations and massacre them while frontline forces (mostly IFVs and tanks) engage in running firefights with the BETA.

Step 3: With the laser BETA gone, air force bombers can be brought in to add to the devastation.

Step 4: Keep doing this to cull BETA numbers and ensure they cannot mount far-reaching offensives so your scientists have the time to come up with some bullshit wunderwaffen to destroy the BETA hives and win the war.
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>>28506679
Are you trying to use blimps vs turbines to justify overcoming the speed of light? There no possible way to get anything going that fast bar using literally infinite energy.
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>>28502244
Modified T-47 Snowspeeders
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>>28502244
Stop mounting ERA or BDD armor on tanks.

Mass production RKG-3 handgrenades. Every soldier is to have atleast one RKG-3 handgrenade.

Reform the military, motorised infantry get more firepower and anti armor weaponry.

Start production of new tanks that have more firepower and mobility.

Start using attack helicopters.

Helicopters that drop mines are to be used alot.
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>>28506820

Stop using tanks at all.

The vast majority of BETA are vulnerable to 30mm fire. Other than fragile lasers they have no ranged weapon.

You vehicles only consist of BMP-2, 2A38's everywhere, and Sprut-SD to kill big things.
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>>28502244
>random nazi anime
>not porn

they done goofed
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>>28506988
>Stop using tanks at all.
Now that wont work.

They will only remove the heavy armor.
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>>28507050

large caliber guns aren't necessary. Look at the force composition, only the big white ones need 120/125mm. Big guns are less efficient than 30mm at killing the small ones.

Besides, if you take the armor off a tank, it's now a FSV, fire support vehicle.

Sprut-SD and Tunguska are the only vehicles you need. To save money, remove the radar on the Tunguska.
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>>28503907

You really dont understand the world do you. Do you perhaps think that people thought that the world was flat when Columbus went sailing too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montgolfier_brothers
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>>28507104
>large caliber guns aren't necessary. Look at the force composition, only the big white ones need 120/125mm.
That is against the sides, you need the ability to one shot them from the front, hence larger caliber.

>Big guns are less efficient than 30mm at killing the small ones
>What is HE?
Even the fiddy cal will work against the smaller ones, the red ones can be killed by 7.62

>Besides, if you take the armor off a tank, it's now a FSV, fire support vehicle.
Yes, that might have been the word I have been looking for.

The Sprut would not be sufficent, not enough firepower. The Tunguska is sufficent but would be in a different form then we know today.

Seriously, if we think about this realistically then since 1972 we would see different vehicles then what we see today.

Some vehicles would not even be built since they would not be sufficent while other vehicles which were only prototypes would be built in large number and certian paper drawings would be reality.
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In order to defeat large retarded obscene enemies one must build large retarded obscene weapons
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>>28506798
the argument was "its impossible to do X."

I was pointing out that many things in the past used to be "impossible". It used to be impossible for people to fly or to go to the moon. We can do all those things now because technology advanced.
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So how do we educate /a/ about modern military?
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>using tanks
>to fight BETA

Sorry, I dont want to end up like pic related uguu cute russian tankist-chan.
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REMEMBER THE VOLK REGIMENT
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Was she a crew member in a T-62M? Maybe she should not mount useless shit on it.

Like BDD armor which is there just for show.
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>>28507451
>>28507495


I want to be a in a Shilka Afghanski, spraying doom against the lesser ayyliums.
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>>28503826
Nigger you're fucking retarded.
> biological beings can produce tremendous amounts of energy
Let's assume for a moment that yes, this is entirely possible, even though it's not and never will be

> then can aim and fire it, and survive
> HUNDREDS of KM's distance with unreal accuracy

I know it's an anime, but that's the point, stop pretending like any of this is biologically possible.

We can make planes because air resistance and updrafts/aerodynamics is real.

Nothing can biologically contain or survive the radiation and heat that is produced by a nuclear reactor, let alone shoot lasers. Heat melts organic material, makes moisture evaporate, radiation alters and destroys cell function, eye lenses are delicate and fleshy.
If they're half-machine/robot, then fine.
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>>28503119
>There is literally ZERO precedent in the world for an analogue to a living animal containing the energy density of a nuclear powerplant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion
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>>28503456
>>28504019
This is worth considering.

The anime is stupid, but that doesn't mean these is no precedence for biological lasers or nuclear power.
>no real world physical example doesn't equal impossible

I mean, what is the precedence for nuclear power in the first place, other than observation of physics. It isn't a super hard stretch to say a engineered creature could start a nuclear reaction inside itself to power something, and then perish from it. It's cool.

Now what alien situation could you all think of that would have nuclear laser bees evolve naturally? Or just any animal with an internal nuclear reaction.

I am thinking something maybe totally space-bourne and possibly using an organic ion "engine" like a cephalopod has water jets. The reaction itself would have to be useful at most stages of evolutionary development, so what do you propose?

Oh and the laser eye fagets in the anime recharge their energy at some big fuckhuge organic battery thing. Lame but it's at least an attempt at saying where the energy comes from, could any organic structure be created to actually store energy of that magnitude? I think creating it internatlly via nuke reaction and then applying it directly is more believable than somehow storing megashitloads of energy.
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>>28506566
He's retarded, but it serves the same function as carbon does in organic beings because like carbon it can form 4 valence bonds. It's practically the same thing as carbon when it comes to organic chemistry.
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>>28508181
Did you even read the page?

Bubble fusion, also known as sonofusion, is the non-technical name for a nuclear fusion reaction hypothesized to occur inside extraordinarily large collapsing gas bubbles created in a liquid during acoustic cavitation.[1] Rusi Taleyarkhan and collaborators claimed to have observed evidence of sonofusion in 2002. The claim was quickly surrounded by controversy, including allegations ranging from experimental error to academic fraud. Subsequent publications claiming independent verification of sonofusion were also highly controversial. Eventually, an investigation by Purdue University found that Taleyarkhan had engaged in falsification of independent verification, and had included a student as an author on a paper when he had not participated in the research. He was subsequently stripped of his professorship. One of his funders, the Office of Naval Research reviewed the report by Purdue and barred him from federal funding for 28 months.[2]
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>>28508275
Those life forms would be a fuckload heavier than comparable carbon life, right? Would this limit their complexity and size or possibly add to it?
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>>28507509
>Afghanski
Afghanski does not have radar
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I don't understand how they have fast enough reactions to kill "airborne" ordinance, but a tank shell doesn't get shot down. If the helicopters fly low enough will the lasers not work?

Anyhow,
Bradleys with 25mm cannons
240 gpmg
Mk19 gl
M2 hmg
Grenades
Landmines
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>>28508323
I would like to point out that the theories behind it aren't inherently wrong because some assflaps tried to railroad it for their own fame and gain.

I never heard of it till this thread.

There doesn't need to be precedence that we know of for something to actually exist, I'm just saying an open mind is better than a closed one. Doesn't mean I inherently believe fairy tales either.
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>>28508340
Yes, the size of silicon means that it doesn't interact with as many atoms as carbon does, so silicon-based lifeforms wouldn't be very complex.
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>>28508361
>If the helicopters fly low enough will the lasers not work
If it can see you then it can shoot you.
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>>28506130
>Any aerial ordnance is useless against laser class.

>>28505961
>>28505961
>>28505961
>>28505961
>>28505961

>>28506049
>>28506049
>>28506049
>>28506049
>>28506049

>>28506763
>>28506763
>>28506763
>>28506763
>>28506763

Thread: stop being retards.
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>>28508427
To be fair, statement itself is stupid when somehow artillery works. Also it's a fucking porn game, what do you care if we tear it's dumb butthole out.
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>>28508427
>>28508463
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>>28508463

Obtain reading comprehension.
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>>28508518

As described in >>28505961, this followed immediately by nuclear rape.
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>>28508518
>>28508522
We have the ability to send shit at mach 20 or something nuts, if the japs can use Yamato to arty it, we can fucking nuke them. The premise is bad and you should feel bad.
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>>28508568
>the premise is bad and you should feel bad

Boy, are you going to feel retarded when you actually understand what >>28508427 is saying,
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>>28508591
Well if he thought the premise was bad too then his post is vague enough to be take as either calling out detractors or supporting them. :P
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>>28508720

I called out a stupid ass post initially, then repeatedly backlink a previous post I made intended to be a solution, and two others with similar conclusions that make sense.

So /a/ can stop repeating the same stupid shit about lasers.
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>>28507510
people 500 years ago knew nothing about aerodynamics. try explaining aerodynamics to them and that yes, you CAN make planes that fly 500 years ago.
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>>28502244
Its simple friend.

We use cabasa howitzers or thunderwell nuclear steam cannons to send nuclear death rays right back or 1 ton molten steel slugs going 66km/s

I wonder why the japs won't consider superior nuclear weapons hmmm.

Its almost as if they are still butthurt about being put in their place 70 years ago for being douchebags.
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>>28508568
nuking or shelling hives does nothing because you need to destroy the reactor core.
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>>28508346
and? it's not like the bastards fly
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>>28508855
If it has a radar, then it's not a afghanski.>>28507509


Pic related, is a afghanski.
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>>28508910
Oh wait it has a radar.

Can someone post a pic of a afghanski?
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>>28508807
Which I imagine is a hell of alot easier if you anialate all the other buggers on the surface first.

Plus, why are superbunkerbusters not acceptable?

If we have to stay in the narrow field of ground attack only because Reasons, then nuclear VBIEDs.
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Project Excalibur?

>place 15mt nuke in orbit out of laser range
>aim xray lens at hive
>free chemo

What's their Max range, 100km?
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>>28509860
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>>28503481
I can't understand why they dont make armor/shields out of the armor guys armor.
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>>28507264

Sprut uses the same 2A46 as T-72/T-80, but with higher ROF due to a better autoloader.

If a T-72 can kill something, a Sprut-SD can do the same. Since there is no ranged incoming fire the armor doesn't really matter.
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>>28510020
>100MW
At such unbelievably horseshit levels of power you could put mirrors on the bottom of a disposable UAV and angle them so that reflected lasers fry their own side. Also that kind of laser probably wouldn't even function because of blooming - the air breaks down into plasma and distorts the laser
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>>28509314
Nuclear mines tried and failed to stop the BETA advance in the Middle East. They're immune to the radiation and scoff at the blast.
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>>28502391
i kek'd
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>Take Abrams
>Remove turret
>Mount Phalanx CIWS to it
>Add extra weight to counterbalance firing at 10000000000000000000000000000000rpm
>BRRRRRRRRRRRRT large hordes of them
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>>28510020
So 100km effective, 250+km max range. However, Excalibur's estimated energy delivery is only theoretical so we might just give them a light show or we might fry the upper hive...likely somewhere in between.

Coat nukes & vehicles in ceramic or stuff that we know can handle heat. Throw chaff/smoke up to break up the laser.

I do know the closest humanity gets to victory is basically fucking earth up in a scorched earth move. Something involving building colony ships to save a select few.
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>>28512773
>scoff at the blast
>yamato cannons are effective.

Do these nips need another nuke to remind them how potent nuclear weapons ARE?

Do we need to turn Japland into an actual fucking sun with thermonuclear bombs that make their Hiroshima asswhooping feel like a pinprick?
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CANISTER SHOT AND AUTOCANNONS
Possibly scaled-up dragon's breath for the canister shot, and HE or AP round for the autocannons depending on the bug
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>>28512773

>immune to the radiation

Was this show made by retards?
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Not necessarily military/in Afghan but my 15 y/o son and I just moved into a neighborhood with ~10 kebab families. Long story short, he goes to school with my sig now.
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>>28513171
wrong bred dude
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>>28513179
brb killing myself
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>>28504000
>nukes are also shitty at killing stuff if the radiation doesnt work
>nukes
>shitty at killing stuff
You know they have a blast and heat wave and everything right, not just radiation.
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>>28502244
howitzers....
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>>28513171
What city?
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>>28513162

> ionizing radiation don't real

>>28513084

Classic case of writers have no sense of math and scale.

A 10 MT nuke, not at all implausible, generates 5 PSI overpressure in a 15km radius. 5psi overpressure means 34.4 kilonetwons. Something with 1 m3 profile, like a person, is getting slammed with 34 kilonewtons. No BETA is surviving that. Everything in a 20km radius is dead.

>>28510020
That anon did terrible math, a TSF does not have 1 meter of Titanium armor, unless the damn thing weighs 200+ tons. By the way that the things are vulnerable to 30mm rounds, 100mm the absolute max frontal armor, likely much less.

The power of a laser class is off by an order of magnitude, 10 MW is much more likely.

Here's the catch, mirrors to reflect 10MW beams already exist.
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>>28504000

> won't be able to produce enough nukes

During the peak of the cold war the US and USSR were churning out nukes at the rate of a couple per day.

The US built 24,000 warheads in 8 years. 3000 a year, 10 a day. That's during peacetime just because of an arms race. In wartime they can crank it the hell up, considering Nuclear procurement never topped 4% of the US peacetime defense budget. How many can be built with 25% of a wartime defense budget? Over 100 a day is not out of the question.
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What VN should I start with /k/?
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>>28513162
This.

Silicon MELTS under sufficient radiation.

Also since they need to focus lasers in their bodies, that suggests they have fine tuned and complex biomechanisms to act as energy weapons, which are precisely the same weapons quite vulnerable to wanton and exotic radiation unleashed by the more...potent warheads.
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Join the glorious socialist people's army and fight the alien menace for the Party and the Fatherland.
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>>28502244
exterminatus
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>>28502244
Considering it seems like these fuckers have to get close to attack, i'd have a shit load of fast vehicles with m240's or m2's on top. Use Mongolian tactics and run around them in circles shooting the hell out of them. If for some reason that failed i'd do basically what they're doing in the webm, but every soldier has a belt fed MG and a lot of grenades, and those tanks have multiple miniguns on them.
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>>28504743
this, anime is fucking shit
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>>28513775
>swearing loyalty a capital-P Party
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Gommunists vs Ayyliums.

The best concept I've ever heard.
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>>28513775
I want the comissar to root the reactionaries out of me.
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>>28514612
And rejoice, she will actually do the paperwork for you (very important in communist states).

Commissar is best girl.
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>>28514786
I wanna spread my freedom seed over her Oder Neisse line.
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>>28514832
Gretel is pure.

Her love is only for the Party and the Fatherland.
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>>28514786
best.
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>>28503714
So the japs could jerk off to "muh largest battleship ever!".
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>>28503826
>birds
>bugs
>bats
>certain types of fish
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>>28503833
You can't be smart if you're dead. Biological war plus strategic nukes and you're golden.
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>>28515089
But 'murica brought back Iowa class as well.
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>>28508784
That doesn't matter, aerodynamics still EXISTED 500 years ago regardless of wether people understood it or not. Birds and bugs existed, nothing biological exists that could withstand firing a laser.
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>>28512773
Are they immune to heat and overpressure too?
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Guise, what Chinese cartoon is this?
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>Muvluv
Fuck man I still remember alternative.
To anyone who has played the vn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JICa_ZxBk
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So I watched a few episodes of total eclipse. Frankly, the whole thing reeks of desperate justification for having mechs against these aliens but hell, I dig alien invasions fighting modern militaries. My problem is, everything the mechs do, could be accomplished more easily by modern equipment. Their main advantage seems to be going toe to toe with the beta and being maneuverable enough to dodge some what while also being able to loiter at sub 100m altitudes. Problem is, you could strap a 30mm auto cannon to a light helicopter (armor does nothing to those lasers so just ditch it), have smoke launchers fire in advance of the helicopter squadrons who are skimming the earth until they are over the beta horde then popping up to 30-50m (seems to be how tall those mechs are and they seem fairly safe against the lasers at that height) and firing into their weak points. Instead of 5 or 6 of those mechs, you could have 100+ helicopters firing basically the same weaponry except now you have 100+ of them. If it requires heavier ordnance, have tanks/FSVs (also strip armor, no need for it against these enemies) provide fire support from 2 kms away targeting the larger beta as the helos deal with the smaller beta. Target priority would be lasers, those armored ram head guys, then others.

Cheaper, easier to produce, easier to train pilots and more effective. The beta then have to either adapt to these tactics or continue getting fucked up. If they start pushing lasers closer to the front, that opens them up to being more vulnerable to ground fire from supporting vehicles. Low angle indirect fire would be extremely effective as well. Combine with automatic grenade launchers, mortars, large mines, multiple angles of fire to force the beta to break their solid line of armored dudes, and get some god damn artillery. Even if it gets shot by lasers, those lasers take 10+ seconds to recharge. 10 seconds is more than enough time for helos to pop up from behind a hill, fire, drop down.
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>>28503481
>beta uprising
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