Just wait for Japan to think up of a super weapon powered by a brain in a jar in a girl with her Russian psychic friend, which would penetrate the Hive and end this problem because ML:A had a rushed ending.
But seriously though, if you want to start up a "/k/ kills the BETAs" thread, post the page explaining what they all do so everyone can get on the same page. And that page is "fuck the BETAs, I am out"
>>28502296 Fuck them, use some kind of land launched missle, MLRS, M109's, fuck'em. In fact, how the fuck could they produce laser bees if they are organic beings who can barely have any way of using simple tools? You know what, fuck you. Your anime a shit.
>>28502455 Consider that we need a nuclear reactor to have a good enough laser for missle defense... How the fuck would something living be able to contain that much energy without nearly Dying instantly?
>>28502481 >Consider that we need a nuclear reactor to have a good enough laser for missle defense...
That's not true though. standard DD powerplants generate more than enough power for a high powered FEL and railguns along with their radar systems and everything else all at the same time. Power generation has never been the problem.
>>28502574 Holy fuck, silicon is a for of carbon, but how the fuck can it even create fucking LIFE. Think about that for a moment. In the meantimr, odds are I'll just get out of the dream and realize this threads topic never happened.
>>28502630 >defense with a shitload of trenches >but.... >no s-mines >no AT mines (they would work at the weight with these things) >no HMG nests >no automatic grenade launcher >no mechanized inf. with APC and IFV (auto cannons) >no SPAAG with auto cannons >also, no flamethrowers
the whole setting is set up to explain why the fuck you'd want a mech flying 10 feet above the ground practically getting in knife fights with bio robots. Anything you put above the horizon gets vaporize by walking bio-lasers powered by technobabble.
>>28502878 Because that would leave a gap in the line. BETA hordes would just overwhelm them. Its a last ditch scenario for Europe. >>28502890 BETA hives. America nukes the hive that lands in North America, but the gommies tried to capture theirs.
>>28502900 There is literally ZERO precedent in the world for an analogue to a living animal containing the energy density of a nuclear powerplant.
Not only has our level of science not "advanced that far yet", biological evolution has not either and literally billions of years of evolution is a hell of a better engineer than the finest minds of all of human history.
It's utter nonsense, you may as well start claiming that Godzilla is possible too, we just haven't found a way to bring him to life yet.
>>28502244 by being real-life Soviet Army circa circa 1983- that means steamrolling these discount arachnids with thousands upon thousands of MBTs, herding them up into concentrations that the largest number of gun and tube arty the world has ever seen will pulverise or blast with the largest arsenal of instant sunshine.
>>28503309 Well, anything is kind of possible. I know nothing about the show other than what I have see posted ITT.
If the laser bees are truly bee-like, I could see them sacrificing themselves in some sort of biologically activated and controlled nuclear reaction, fission more likely than fusion but we already crossed the crazy line. They would have to either be able to internally synthesize large atom elements (phrasing it that way because the large atoms of uranium and plutonium is exactly why it is possible for humans to use it in nuclear systems, but I won't go into that further), be able to create a nuclear reacion with smaller sized atom (or just do fusion), or some other entirely theoretical process to start a nuclear reaction.
I would try to keep the fiction ground for believability, let's say these shits have infested a large area of the earth, they very well could have access to area where there is uranium deposits (don't get hung up on the semantics here). I would say they "laser bees" life cycle involves ingesting large quantites of uranium to be stored and used in a semi-controlled nuclear reaction interally where the enery output is focused through something similar to the early eye "lenses" of prehistoric earth life (which are of such high quality that some were used as lenses into modern times for real). These parts, with a chitinous hard body for further focusing and addtional lenses perhaps too are all biologically possible. The act of firing da lazors kills the bee, just like a real bee.
I think that's fairly grounded, especially since were are talking about engineered life, not naturally evolved life.
>2 hours >absolutely nobody else has even sugested this They're big bugs. Find a disease, chemical, germ, fungus, etc., that eats BETA and makes them sick. Realease as much of it as quick as you can so they can't bullshit their way out of it with "evolution." Then while they're off your planet, keep breeding stronger and stronger strains of the virus, while creating as many other alternatives as you can. Push back to the moon, then mars, then however farther back you have to go. Fuck the hippies, launch supersonic nukes at every rock that isn't the Earth, and irradiate them until there's no chance anything can live on it anymore.
Rebuild, find ways to enslave BETA that remain (a la Broodwar UED) and send them out into the universe to rout out remaining bugs. When that's done, find a way to kill your enslaved BETA for good.
>>28503855 It was only a matter of time before someone figured out slapping an engine onto a glider was a good idea. in fact, before the Wright brothers, there were attempts at powered flight, they just failed.
>>28503085 I'd imagine you want to at some point re-use the territory you retake from the BETA and not just have irradiated wasteland ala 2000AD. Unless the idea of massive sprawling mega-cities that extend across entire sections of a continent are your thing.
>>28503456 The lenses I was talking about are the calcite crystal eye lenses of trilobites, which people did use as lenses for other things on occasion. But I think maybe the chitin lens most bugs have nowadays could work too, maybe.
>>28503976 I think i failed to understand how many nukes would be used in this hypothetical scenario. That people still live in those cities is kind of surprising, you would think residual radiation would be kind of a problem.
>>28504018 Don't be stupid, you know he's saying that more powerful nukes would fuck shit up for human habitation for a long time. the jap bombs were weak sauce, and Chernobyl is even more weak sauce, from a nuclear weapon standpoint. Even then, there are large areas of Chernobyl that WILL kill you if you go there, red forest is one I believe.
>>28505970 >I have no idea what a bunker buster nuke is, nor the concept of VX gas
Hit with bunker buster nuke, follow on shots of VX shells. VX moves down exposed holes, killing everything it touches.
>they'll just evolve!
Evolve your way out of necrosis, faget. Or fucking mini stars.
Oh, and the retards up thread that think nukes would destroy the land and can't imagine how people are living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It wasn't because they were weak bombs. It was becausr they were air burst detonations. Minimizes soil contamination and maximizes heat transferance and shockwave. Which is how nukes do their damage. Reason chernobyl is still irradiated is because it was a nuclear melt down that spread a shit ton of radioactive material all over the local area. So yeah, if these aliens showed up in real life? It would be carpet nuking with air bursts and repopulating the areas after a few years to let the alpha radiation half-life it's way down to a safe level. Biggest problem might be getting an eco system revived in the areas, though nature is a tough son.
> 460mm round that goes Mach 2 by the time it lands. > immune to laser interception > MIRV that re-enters at Mach 20, fast enough to have it's own sheathe of plasma to disperse lasers > HOLY SHIT LASER CLASS
>>28503865 Both use the same basic principal of lift that is critical to mechanized flight. Holy shit you're stupid. Read a book nigger. By your logic eventually a human will figure out how to run at lightspeed because "science"
>revert back to 19th century warfare with firing lines and shit >replace the infantryman with tanks >not those weak ass "anime lol" tanks but 40k style massive 300mm main gun 120mm automatic coax tanks >March to the sea
>>28502244 >How owuld you fight a war against an army like this?
Like they do in the VNs. The animes are very bad representations of how humanity actually fights the BETA due to budget constraints in animation.
Step 1: Fire special artillery shells over laser BETA concentrations. When the lasers destroy those shells, clouds of heavy metal are deployed which greatly degrade the accuracy and power of the lasers. This allows the employment of conventional artillery in greater numbers. Also, this is why battleships were brought back into service (they receive updated armour and weapons too).
Step 2: Send in the TSF. With their ability to alternate between ground and air movement, they can slip through BETA lines to find the laser concentrations and massacre them while frontline forces (mostly IFVs and tanks) engage in running firefights with the BETA.
Step 3: With the laser BETA gone, air force bombers can be brought in to add to the devastation.
Step 4: Keep doing this to cull BETA numbers and ensure they cannot mount far-reaching offensives so your scientists have the time to come up with some bullshit wunderwaffen to destroy the BETA hives and win the war.
>>28507104 >large caliber guns aren't necessary. Look at the force composition, only the big white ones need 120/125mm. That is against the sides, you need the ability to one shot them from the front, hence larger caliber.
>Big guns are less efficient than 30mm at killing the small ones >What is HE? Even the fiddy cal will work against the smaller ones, the red ones can be killed by 7.62
>Besides, if you take the armor off a tank, it's now a FSV, fire support vehicle. Yes, that might have been the word I have been looking for.
The Sprut would not be sufficent, not enough firepower. The Tunguska is sufficent but would be in a different form then we know today.
Seriously, if we think about this realistically then since 1972 we would see different vehicles then what we see today.
Some vehicles would not even be built since they would not be sufficent while other vehicles which were only prototypes would be built in large number and certian paper drawings would be reality.
>>28503826 Nigger you're fucking retarded. > biological beings can produce tremendous amounts of energy Let's assume for a moment that yes, this is entirely possible, even though it's not and never will be
> then can aim and fire it, and survive > HUNDREDS of KM's distance with unreal accuracy
I know it's an anime, but that's the point, stop pretending like any of this is biologically possible.
We can make planes because air resistance and updrafts/aerodynamics is real.
Nothing can biologically contain or survive the radiation and heat that is produced by a nuclear reactor, let alone shoot lasers. Heat melts organic material, makes moisture evaporate, radiation alters and destroys cell function, eye lenses are delicate and fleshy. If they're half-machine/robot, then fine.
The anime is stupid, but that doesn't mean these is no precedence for biological lasers or nuclear power. >no real world physical example doesn't equal impossible
I mean, what is the precedence for nuclear power in the first place, other than observation of physics. It isn't a super hard stretch to say a engineered creature could start a nuclear reaction inside itself to power something, and then perish from it. It's cool.
Now what alien situation could you all think of that would have nuclear laser bees evolve naturally? Or just any animal with an internal nuclear reaction.
I am thinking something maybe totally space-bourne and possibly using an organic ion "engine" like a cephalopod has water jets. The reaction itself would have to be useful at most stages of evolutionary development, so what do you propose?
Oh and the laser eye fagets in the anime recharge their energy at some big fuckhuge organic battery thing. Lame but it's at least an attempt at saying where the energy comes from, could any organic structure be created to actually store energy of that magnitude? I think creating it internatlly via nuke reaction and then applying it directly is more believable than somehow storing megashitloads of energy.
>>28506566 He's retarded, but it serves the same function as carbon does in organic beings because like carbon it can form 4 valence bonds. It's practically the same thing as carbon when it comes to organic chemistry.
Bubble fusion, also known as sonofusion, is the non-technical name for a nuclear fusion reaction hypothesized to occur inside extraordinarily large collapsing gas bubbles created in a liquid during acoustic cavitation. Rusi Taleyarkhan and collaborators claimed to have observed evidence of sonofusion in 2002. The claim was quickly surrounded by controversy, including allegations ranging from experimental error to academic fraud. Subsequent publications claiming independent verification of sonofusion were also highly controversial. Eventually, an investigation by Purdue University found that Taleyarkhan had engaged in falsification of independent verification, and had included a student as an author on a paper when he had not participated in the research. He was subsequently stripped of his professorship. One of his funders, the Office of Naval Research reviewed the report by Purdue and barred him from federal funding for 28 months.
>>28510020 >100MW At such unbelievably horseshit levels of power you could put mirrors on the bottom of a disposable UAV and angle them so that reflected lasers fry their own side. Also that kind of laser probably wouldn't even function because of blooming - the air breaks down into plasma and distorts the laser
>>28510020 So 100km effective, 250+km max range. However, Excalibur's estimated energy delivery is only theoretical so we might just give them a light show or we might fry the upper hive...likely somewhere in between.
Coat nukes & vehicles in ceramic or stuff that we know can handle heat. Throw chaff/smoke up to break up the laser.
I do know the closest humanity gets to victory is basically fucking earth up in a scorched earth move. Something involving building colony ships to save a select few.
Classic case of writers have no sense of math and scale.
A 10 MT nuke, not at all implausible, generates 5 PSI overpressure in a 15km radius. 5psi overpressure means 34.4 kilonetwons. Something with 1 m3 profile, like a person, is getting slammed with 34 kilonewtons. No BETA is surviving that. Everything in a 20km radius is dead.
>>28510020 That anon did terrible math, a TSF does not have 1 meter of Titanium armor, unless the damn thing weighs 200+ tons. By the way that the things are vulnerable to 30mm rounds, 100mm the absolute max frontal armor, likely much less.
The power of a laser class is off by an order of magnitude, 10 MW is much more likely.
Here's the catch, mirrors to reflect 10MW beams already exist.
During the peak of the cold war the US and USSR were churning out nukes at the rate of a couple per day.
The US built 24,000 warheads in 8 years. 3000 a year, 10 a day. That's during peacetime just because of an arms race. In wartime they can crank it the hell up, considering Nuclear procurement never topped 4% of the US peacetime defense budget. How many can be built with 25% of a wartime defense budget? Over 100 a day is not out of the question.
Also since they need to focus lasers in their bodies, that suggests they have fine tuned and complex biomechanisms to act as energy weapons, which are precisely the same weapons quite vulnerable to wanton and exotic radiation unleashed by the more...potent warheads.
>>28502244 Considering it seems like these fuckers have to get close to attack, i'd have a shit load of fast vehicles with m240's or m2's on top. Use Mongolian tactics and run around them in circles shooting the hell out of them. If for some reason that failed i'd do basically what they're doing in the webm, but every soldier has a belt fed MG and a lot of grenades, and those tanks have multiple miniguns on them.
>>28508784 That doesn't matter, aerodynamics still EXISTED 500 years ago regardless of wether people understood it or not. Birds and bugs existed, nothing biological exists that could withstand firing a laser.
So I watched a few episodes of total eclipse. Frankly, the whole thing reeks of desperate justification for having mechs against these aliens but hell, I dig alien invasions fighting modern militaries. My problem is, everything the mechs do, could be accomplished more easily by modern equipment. Their main advantage seems to be going toe to toe with the beta and being maneuverable enough to dodge some what while also being able to loiter at sub 100m altitudes. Problem is, you could strap a 30mm auto cannon to a light helicopter (armor does nothing to those lasers so just ditch it), have smoke launchers fire in advance of the helicopter squadrons who are skimming the earth until they are over the beta horde then popping up to 30-50m (seems to be how tall those mechs are and they seem fairly safe against the lasers at that height) and firing into their weak points. Instead of 5 or 6 of those mechs, you could have 100+ helicopters firing basically the same weaponry except now you have 100+ of them. If it requires heavier ordnance, have tanks/FSVs (also strip armor, no need for it against these enemies) provide fire support from 2 kms away targeting the larger beta as the helos deal with the smaller beta. Target priority would be lasers, those armored ram head guys, then others.
Cheaper, easier to produce, easier to train pilots and more effective. The beta then have to either adapt to these tactics or continue getting fucked up. If they start pushing lasers closer to the front, that opens them up to being more vulnerable to ground fire from supporting vehicles. Low angle indirect fire would be extremely effective as well. Combine with automatic grenade launchers, mortars, large mines, multiple angles of fire to force the beta to break their solid line of armored dudes, and get some god damn artillery. Even if it gets shot by lasers, those lasers take 10+ seconds to recharge. 10 seconds is more than enough time for helos to pop up from behind a hill, fire, drop down.
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