What would it take to invade the US?
Say, if some disgruntled south- and central american countries wanted to try and fuck up the U S of A, what would be the realistic minimum requirements to put up a fight?
Would all of the american militaries, save for canada, be able to throw punches at the US, or would they need assistance from some country like russia?
How and where would the war happen, what tactics would be used, what would it take?
Assuming the rest of the world tried to invade the US, there simply is not enough boats and planes designed for non permissive environments outside of the US to get the job done.
Well, if I were a South or Central American military Junta and wanted to attack the United States of America, I would send them loads and loads of heroin and cocaine, knowing that it would finance domestic criminals within their country while destroying the lives of middle and upper class addicts who would otherwise be responsible members of that society were it not for their drug addiction.
I mean every kilo of blow I could run up through Mexico into the USA would be easily another few dozen lives destroyed. They have bombs and CIA coups, we retaliate with kilos.
*If* the build-up wasn't noticed across the southern border which is preposterous, they could push deep into the border states pretty easily. If they wanted to outrun supply they could go for a few major city centers quickly as well.
The likelyhood of establishing a permanent foothold though is pretty remote once the plentiful supporting infrastructure they haven't got to yet is able to support the arrival and deployment of US troops.
Even/Especially without nuclear weapons, the United States could resist the combined military forces of the WORLD pretty effectively. A huge advantage is the strength and capabilities of the U.S. Navy combined with the oceans any invading force would need to cross. If you magic'd everybody else into Mexico for one combined push without magic-ing the Army and Marine Corps and reserve/national guard into place to form a defensive plan, maybe. But they'd basically be forced to raze every settlement and population center they came across, or they would be bogged down for years if not decades in asymmetric warfare by the civilian population. Barring CBRN use that would be extremely difficult, logistically, and would give the United States a lot of time to spin up wartime production.
Even in pretend land Its not possible.
The entire world would have to unite against us. Even if the Illuminati Abandoned us, probably why they fear us and want our guns taken away.
To continue, an actual invasion of the United States would polarize nearly the entire population against the invading force. There are ~10 million veterans of the GWOT, a fair percentage of them from combat centric positions and experiences, and applying their counterinsurgency experience towards *being* an effective insurgency, in conjunction with the motivation of defending their own states, cities, and families, would result in a very, very costly war of attrition for the aggressor forces.
>just exactly what would it take?
Seeing as how the entire south is the most gun-crazy of the entirety of the US, our front line would be something to reckon with. They'd have to come through California under the guise of muslim immigrants where the liberals of my shitty state would willingly let them in.
>invasion foothold in California
>live in Los Angeles county and hating everything about it except food and Latina wimmenz errywhere
>mfw gonna be in the thick of the invasion
I personally think in the everyone vs North America scenario, assuming that public support for war with the US starts above 50 percent, which I believe is pretty generous, I believe that within a year of sustained combat operations, intensely lopsided casualties, and a complete inability to operate outside of green zones in even the most heavily occupied areas due to a very well armed and trained insurgency, the coalition would fall completely flat. I think that outside of the most brutal dictatorships, pressure would be much too high to keep soldiers in the war.
The midwest and south would be full on American Vietnam.
>invading soldiers are given medals for their service to the US
>California is put up on the auction block at the UN
Assuming we don't notice the buildup.
First of all, what >>28501602 says about the Gulf of Mexico, and pretty quickly.
For the rest of the Mexican border, they'd probably overwhelm the border patrol, jump the border wherever they want, and invade New Mexico, West Texas, Arizona and California.
They'd have to take San Diego, then Los Angeles, the urban warfare will be a nightmare. South Arizona has an airbase full of A-10s, and people are well armed, so good fucking luck with that. They won't get past Tucson. New Mexico is pretty empty, but they'd have to take El Paso, which would take days. West Texas is a desert, they might get as far as I-10 before they are intercepted by whatever is deployed on it for defense.
And then, if they get up north: WOLVERINES!
You would have to somehow EMP all the the US, then somehow obtain air supremacy. Even then the US has enough mothballed shit to arm half of Europe, even their battleships are kept in mothball incase their needed again.
>Space denial via kessler syndrome
>Destruction of all ports for US navy via ????
>First strike eliminating US nuclear capabilities (or yellowstone going off)
>EMPs are a bonus but they will mainly be issues for civilians
More importantly why would you want the USA? Ignoring the fact that every fudd with a 30-30 will be taking shots at you you can expect one of the laziest and least productive countries in the world. Seriously who wants the USA? if you want to take them out of the world as a player just crash some markets.
Alright, I'll bite. Assuming no nukes because that changes the whole game.
South and central america?
Will be stopped dead at the border no matter who is helping them. Some may slip in through the coasts but that will be extremely difficult due to our Navy and the Coast Guard. Crossing through the border will be nearly impossible because the military will be on the border defending it. The southerners would then most likely start shooting massive amounts of rockets at bases on and near the border. At which point we either show Israel how to take care of an insurgency or we get ISIS 2: Latino Boogaloo.
Invade the US in general?
Massive strike on one of our coasts that you somehow kept us from seeing from miles away. You will need a lot of ships and planes just to distract the navy long enough to put boots on the ground. At which point you will need to drop them fast and in massive numbers because you will most likely get shot by citizens of the US and then by the military when they finish getting their weapons from the armory.
You won't hold the country at all. The only one who might have the manpower you would need to take and hold land in the US would be China. You need to outnumber not only our entire military but also all of the citizens that would fight against the invasion.
The Missouri is kept in good enough condition so that it can be re-equipped & re-armed in case of national emergency. Getting shells for the guns would be a problem, but it's basically been a Tomahawk platform since the 80's.
Eurofag here. I don't think it's possible. Maybe if it was everyone vs them. Look at how many fucking planes/carrier/tanks etc they have
Alright, let's play the game.
Let's say there's a coalition, we will call it the Developing Cooperation Union, because most acronyms from the developing world suck anyway.
So DCU is a China-dominated economic union with lots of influence in south and Central America (since OP mentioned them). South America is SOO enamore do with its hate-boner for America they ignore the fact that China isn't exactly better, as was the situation with the soviets before the PRC (seriously, South America would take anyone who isn't America, the objective quality of the replacement empire is irrelevant provided it isn't America.).
At any rate, they decide they want to invade for whatever geopolitical incident occurs. Meh, it's happening. Maybe China and the US signed a new batch of SALT agreements, so no nukes are really available.
Stage is set, so now let's do logistics.
South America and Central America are a hodge lodge of various NATO and USSR and domestic weapon systems. Immediately, there will be problems with actually arming and supplying stuff,
Doctrinally, most militaries in South America have more experience with FARC style cartels and suppressing their populace than they do foreign ops, meaning their combat readiness is likely lower than what you would want. They will learn the hard way what a conventional war looks like.
Speaking of, let's talk soldier quality beyond training. Education? Language? If the Chinese are the main nation and a bunch of these nations speak dialects of Spanish and Portugeuse could that pose a problem? What about just equipment quality inconsistencies? Bear in mind there is no south-Central American military alliance like NATO, which rehearses and has structures to avoid those exact difficulties.
Ok, so somehow you have this organized, you have an army about 6 million strong built up. Congrats field marshal, you have a force about 50% larger than the axis forces for operation Barbarossa. Pt. 1
Well now the giant is up, you have to move its fat ass out of bed. Hopefully the US doesn't hear its footsteps!
Let's assume a major intel flaw prevents the US from SOMEHOW not catching your invading army.
Of your army, I will be generous and say a full third is combat guys (two million). the rest are mostly logistics, support, etc., the shit modern armies need.
So you reach the border, and overrun it. Not too hard so far, the US didn't see it coming.
Some civvies took up guns already, but so far you have had minimal losses. The dumb ones already took shots individually and alone, but you now must be concerned for the groups that will plan beyond "OMG RED DAWN GOTTA GRAB MUH AR AND SHOOT BROWN PEOPLE ON SIGHT!!!", Timothy McVeigh planners and such will be your real enemy- and the US has concluded a decade long war with insurgents, meaning IED, ambush, and terrorist tactics will inevitably be deployed. Still, insurgencies here won't be built in a day, and the US military will have to regroup to launch a counter offensive. Unfortunately, the us navy is basically making bee lines across the damn planet and seizing choke points left and right, so the Panama Canal is pretty much blocked to you, as will a bunch of straights they can get to.
So over time you will see the invader ultimately slow down. The US is fucking huge, third or fourth largest country in the world (depends on who is counting acres, China is very close). You are invading a rich nation that has historically gone on rampages every time it has FELT provoked, has embraced internment camps, is paranoid about foreign socialists and shit, and is armed and educated (harder hard dumb Americans, the fact is collectively they out do sand people and have good mil experience to distribute to the populace).
Invading the US is a nightmare end-boss for any strategic planner- logistics will be hell, occupation will be hell, fighting possibly the strongest military in the world will be hell.
You can kill an OLD SOVIET TANK with a bottle of gas and a jiz rag. A modern MBT is another story, even without infantry cover. The shitty MRAPs, on the other hand, can be taken out with small arms fire or the aforementioned bottle/jiz rag combo.
I also think hunters should be considered. I've never served or had military training but I have very good rifle marksmanship, own multiple rifles and tons of ammo, and own camouflage clothing for my local area. I believe that any deer hunter can make an effective insurgent sharpshooter. It's not a huge leap to go from deer hunting to setting up a stand near a highway and taking out drivers and gunners of an occupation convoy.
There are too many well armed and kinda trained militias in USA and their air force does not fuck around, also nukes(but lets ignore those)..
So the USA would have to be in the process of invading another large country and therefor having deployed a significant part of their air force and navy even so they would prob not get fare before taking to many loses even with help from Russia or China due to NATO counter attacking in the other end... This would obviously be a world war scenario.
The biggest problem is actually reaching the U.S. heartland.
Go by sea?
>lel carrier groups
>enjoy the trek through alaska/canada
On top of actually reaching the target, the U.S. has carrier to spare ensuring anyone backing this invasion isn't going to be having a good time. Congratulations! Your invasion was a miserable failure and now the United States is out for blood on a global scale.
You know, Idaho's AU section really should be UCP. You'd never see a guy in UCP in all that grass and sagebrush we have.
Alright.. for starters you have no chance of beating our navy on either coast. We are far more adnaved and have far more ships than any country. Next you could try invading through the rio grande, but the worlds largest concentrated amount of tanks and artillery are there. So have fun with that. Next you could try to sneak in through canada, and invade us by the north. This would work but would not be effective as you would be occupying national parks. Also how long you could hold it while trying to get supply lines through canada is questionable. All in all the United States being invaded and occupied is pretty fucking unrealistic.
>what tactics would be used, what would it take?
Well , first they would have to sneak across the border that Obama assures us is so secure that we shouldn't worry about it. Then, they would have to weaken us economically by taking income away from US citizens. Once they have our money they should send it back home to fund the next human wave. Slowly eroding the income of the middle class our upper class will have to find cheaper goods to sell to the consumers. Once the offshoring of jobs these invaders don't qualify for begins the south American invader will find an easier time hiding in the impoverished masses. By the time they take up arms the US will look like their home countries anyway.
Fighting conventional wars. It's 2016!
And that doesn't even take into account the National Guard or state militias. There are 800,000 cops who could probably lead effective local partisan forces if things got that far. And there are hundreds of millions of firearms in this country. Needless to say, even if an invading force managed to somehow bypass the military, they'd have a whole lot of trouble waiting for them here at home.
California has more guns than Texas anon. It's not like going through there would make things any easier. Plus, you'd have to contend with some of the most dangerous deserts this side of the border if you did that.
Also, a Calfag had this to say about an invasion of California the last time we had this thread.
It takes some boots and water. Then you walk milions of Mexicans to the north. And then they stay in the US forever, where they produce more Mexicans. The occupation will last so long that eventually Spanish will become the largest language and then they get stumped by the Trump.
> the entire .3% of the population that is addicted to hardcore drugs is killed off
> mostly the homeless, jobless and a few rich people
Fuck only 99.7% of Americans are left. What do we do now?
> Blaming Mexicans and Salvadorans for Corporate America's takeover of the best government money can buy.
> Blaming Obama for our perpetual border issues.
> Implying the real threat isn't jihadists.
The only way to actually invade the US would be a submarine or air force that can somehow magically transport all the world's militaries with their gear, to our shores overnight. Even then the combined military, state and police forces plus citizen resistance would be unprecedented. Also would mean every nation on planet is then vulnerable to overseas US attack.
Jihadists seem to actually be sneaking across the Mexican border. Anon understands they are prepping for a Halal Kristallnacht type of event — the rapefugee crisis in Europe was a test run. If this happens here, my prediction is that local and state law enforcement will handle the crisis not the military. Could happen this election year.
> invade the mainland US
We'd have prior knowledge or intelligence, and word would get out to citizens, the NG, every retired army, marine, navy and air force bloke.
Every single fudd or gun-neutral person would buy every rifle ever made. Gun Stores would be empty. There would be no ammo of any kind available.
Every AR15 for sale would be sold, every magazine sold, every cleaning kit and most spare parts gone. Every ammo store and website would be completely sold out stressing to meet the demands of 20+ million people.
By the time they got here, they would have more than a problem on their hands, they would need a total land invasion of like 40,000,000-60,000,000 people with a complete logistical chain capable of supporting, feeding, arming them, giving them gas and air support.
Wouldn't be surprised if the government just started handing out weapons and ammo like candy. Shit they' probably have Berets start training militias on guerrilla warfare as a failsafe
My agency(Oregon State Police) is already training and planning for any possible attacks leading up to the elections this year (Local up to Federal elections) and the specialized units will be training and increasing presence right up to election day. Possible scenarios right now on our minds are the Mumbai archetype, Paris archetype, African embassy bombing archetypes, Russian theater and school sieges archetypes, (the more likely) lone wolf attack(s), recent California attacks archetype and the Bundy Militia/3% Percenter's pulling some overly stupid bullshit. The ARNG and every SO/major PD are also planning with us. So, that would be a theoretical ~25,000 combined first responders for a State-wide or an attack on Salem/Portland metropolitan area.
Everyone always talks about the millions of potential servicemen, but it's really a non-factor. Whoop-de-doo, a bunch of fat retired Americans are "armed to the teeth" with automatic rifles and 100-day supplies of canned beans.
Any military well equipped and competent enough to have defeated the regular US military will not regard Cletus Fuckstain as a credible threat. Your nuggets will do nothing against attack helicopters and armored vehicles.
You would need the Soviet Union restored to its former glory, the people's republic of China, and bizarro fascist America from dimension 2933b to pull off that type of invasion.
The helghast army would probably be handy too.
Have you not kept up with the last 70 years?
Vietnam (French), Algeria, Vietnam 2- American boogaloo, Vietnam 3- dragon flailing (China edition), Afghanistan, Iraq 2, Afghanistan 2, Syria, Yemen, etc.
Insurgencies can last a loooong time despite overwhelming invader power.
>25k first responders doing a clusterfuck in response to terror attacks instead of being hyper aggressive.
>they just launch more diversionary attacks or strike elsewhere while you are distracted.
oh, it's this guy again
The US is being invaded, not with guns, bombs and tanks but with refugees.
>california has more guns than texas
California isnt even in the top ten states of gun ownership
>tl;dr scorch the american earth
yeah, basically anyone who can get elements into our borders should bring suicide squads and cobalt salts for the inevitable fighting retreat/complete rout- actually, that should be the entire game plan for an invasion, cripple and deny whatever key infrastructure points you can get your hands on and the wash your hands of your irradiated mercenary allies and laugh as the entire global economy plunges into a death spiral as it struggles to adapt to an internally focused american reconstruction effort and the blind retaliation of nukes fucking everywhere during the aftermath
LOL those crazy republicans amirite? Where do they get these absurd ideas? Probably FOX NEWS haha. There is absolutely NO REASON America (or Europe for that matter) should remain mostly white. Brown people are just as good. Maybe even better. After all, they're much more likely to vote democrat.
Why would drug dealers want to invade us? They work for the CIA they won't bite the hand that feeds them millions.
Something more plausible would be an all out resource war that would drag the rest of the world into it and cause WW3. If we don't solve many of the big problems facing our race aka, power, food, water then we will go to war for whats left on the planet.
End times soon fellow stalkers.
Adding on to what others said, death squads. There would be massive gorilla/insurgent tactics used by the civilian population, even if most of them ran away. Simply kill any populace you come across, and that's one less possible insurgent later. The Americans would paint you as the literal fucking Devil, but the amount of dead Americans would offset that. Treat all population centers as military targets and heavily booby trapped.
More likely though, simultaneous attacks like in Paris would be used, which essentially has the same goal.
Edgy sarcasm aside, this would still fail.
This. Conquering the US won't happen unless a massive Civil War was taking place and you allied with a side. Ruining it on the other hand is more probable, especially economically.
You know the hardening and casting techniques for the MK.VIII 16" shells are publicly available from the national archives anon?
I'm pretty sure any decent sized metal foundry could start producing them
>What would it take to invade the US?
Americans have nukes, making any invasion a highly remote possibility. But let's say nukes magically disappear from the equation.
You're invading from Eurasia, and you're facing:
>most advanced army, navy and air force in the world
>300 million people
>heavily armed population
>massive industrial capacity
>massive resources, meaning they could be isolated and still do rather fine
>vast geographical distances
>separated from Europe and Asia by thousands of kilometers of ocean
Well amphibious or airborne attack like you see in movies and video games is simply impossible. You can't deploy enough troops that way to seize ports for long time.
So you'd need to invade from Mexico or Canada. Preferably Canada due to better infrastructure, but I'm not sure if Canada has enough ports to supply an invasion force that big, and you'd need a huge amount of troops to invade USA.
You'd have to wage a campaign lasting years, and you'd have to bring all your supplies because Canada or Mexico won't be able to supply your forces. You'd have to send supply over ocean, and that's a very risky proposition.
But even if you somehow solve the insane logistical problems, you'd have to invade a massive country full of armed population, on top of massive army.
You'd need tens of millions of troops. It's practically impossible with current technology.
Only way you could invade America is if you somehow nuked them, and avoided their nuclear counterattack.
>what would it take to invade the US?
Not much. Brown people and syrupniggers have been doing it for hundreds of years.
>what would it take to successfully invade the US with a military force with the intention of overthrowing or subjugating the US gov't?
The combined might of every other nation on earth, all of Russia's nukes, and luck.
>still repeating this myth
Here's a video of a tank from the 60s getting sprayed with a flamethrower and getting napalm dropped on it and the engine still running, start at 18:21:
California is at the very top and you don't know what you're talking about.
Came here to say this
War has historically been the means of conquering new resources and territory for a society.
Since the Central American societies are incapable of directly fighting the USA, they are making what would normally be a suicidal move by sending unarmed immigrants in. But many Americans are so stupid, they cannot recognize the threat these third worlders pose to our society, and allow them to live unmolested in our communities.
Speaking of, does anyone know if illegals have any legal protection against, say, murder?
>Air Force: Marginal
>Marine Corps: Marginal
The fuck? I'll have to read this entire assessment later, but is the heritage foundation really saying that the most powerful military on Earth is marginally good at best?
Is there any reason for me to not believe this is just a military industrial complex funded study to get more funds to the DoD?
If you're inna Owyhees, this makes sense. It's that gray, almost blue hue you see in the foilage out there. Beyond sagebrush country, though, OCP/Multicam will be a better choice for most of the state.
>Only it times of emergency.
There is no emergency scenario in hell that actually merits reactivating a BB. The only reason they reactivated the last time was because of the behest of some influential fudd tier Marine Corps Generals that still believe shore bombardment does fuck all anything against sand niggers.
Pretending that >>28501118 wouldn't be your greatest logistical hurdle, you'd have to deal with >>28506109 and then hope you have enough leftover means, manpower, and morale to deal with >>28502502 because you better bet all your enemy assets it's gonna fucking happen.
There are entire thinktanks dedicated to this topic for a reason.
If you really are conquering america, it would be absolutely nightmarish operation. Ok, hard-mode, nukes excluded.
We will start by rough estimations with soldiers; we need lots of soldiers, like previosly mentioned China + whole South-America tier combined forces amount of soldiers. Maybe 20 million chinese soldiers + another 20 million South-American cannonfodder, whose mainjob outside of that cannonfodder is logistics. China have huge reserves of people who have nothing better to do than arm them to fight for motherland.
First we will start forming EU-like South-American coalition and making every country there first world tier, basicly transforming South-America to new EU, making it internally stabile and peacefull.
Second phase, we will start forming this Union of South-American Countries (USAC) logistically ablying to handlle the future war by building new ports, airfields and highspeed motorways and railways from all the way from Kap Verde to southern boarders of USA. It has to be able to transport troops and goods for millions in scale from multiple ports through out South-America.
Third phase is kickking up both industrial and agricultural production to support future fighting force. This is done with the assistance of chinese and this provides cover for transporting chinese troops as workforce. In the meantime China is producing so many cheap missile boats to swarm every carrier-group USA has, that they will run out missiles before eradicating up-going zerg-attack.
Between third and fourth phase takes probaply 20 years.
In fourth phase, you actually build-up forces in Mexico using your higly capable transporting-system you had build during 20 years. More soldiers will be flooding from whole South-America and froms ports everyswhere.
Commence all-out attack with everything you have and strike so deep you ever can in a matter of days from begining as you can. Try to paralyze USA and its counter measures.
Don´t stay to play game of Counter Terrrorism, instead just try to kill whole population, wipe it out, and replace it with chinese. That country would need that extra land.
South America and China have successfully blitzkreiged the fuck out of the USA, and you got pretty far in the first couple days. Now you have to contend with:
An influx of experienced troops flooding in from the Middle East, so you won't be dealing with National Guardsmen much longer
All of Western Europe, who have plenty of people, and are well armed and equipped. The seas are no longer yours, spicnavy.
Select friendly parts of Eastern Europe. Now you have slavs trying to kill you. Prepare to see some shit!
Once texas is returned to Mexico I doubt there will be any need for conflict so we can just return to the statue quo. Would have to close off the border with Texas and build a wall though once the conflict starts to that they don't flood in America.
This is a retarded argument. Mexicans come to America to live the American Dream. You think they wouldn't join the defense? Fuck those whiners from Central and South America. They got here first, and they'll be god damned if they're going to give up what they have for the next needy bitch.