Recently from work im able to get a respectable discount on a beretta 92FS. Why do people hate this gun so much? It doesnt feel or look bad and even the heavy trigger can be replaced.
I have a 92A1 and love it. Don't listen to the haters, its a fine gun.
Because it's big, even for a full-size pistol it's a handful. So some people will inevitably complain. There's really nothing wrong with the gun. Get one OP, unless you're a small-handed little bitch.
i dont hate it but its definitely not good, especially for the price.
>touted as a carry gun yet basically the same size as the full sized version
>heavy as fuck
>not great capacity especially for its size
its pretty but thats about it if youre comparing it to other guns in its class
Common complaints I've heard
>huge for the capacity
>grip doesn't fit smaller hands well
>da/sa trigger sucks
It is bigger but I think it handles well enough. The trigger is fine imo, da is long but its not like its gritty or stacks badly, a lot of people just suck at shooting handguns and blame the pistol
Slide safety is hit or miss I don't mind it too much, the anniversary edition with it on the frame looked way better though
It is pricey but I'm getting it for around 385. I work at a gunstore and people telling me its complete garbage for that price. I cant tell if my co-workers are just retarded or they have some actual point.
For one reason, the slide mounted manual safety/decocker is very easy to accidentally move to the down position if you're power stroking under stress and/or using gloves
There is gonna be a group of haters for ANY gun. A family member of mine carried a 92FS through out his career as a police officer. I shot that gun at the range and first off, was very accurate. The gun was comfy and no noticeable problem with trigger pull. Beretta firearms are fine and worth the price.
> yeah thanks for validating my opinion while I ignore the other people telling me the truth.
I am one of the few people who doesn't mind a safety on a gun, so long as it is put in the right spot and easy to actuate.
I have one and I love it:
-Slide is smooth as butter
-Can carry it with hammer half cocked
-Has a decocker
-Trigger is smooth
-Reliable as hell,seriously my father has had his 92FS for twenty years and NEVER had a malfunction.He shoots it once a month and cleans it only once a year...
Only downsides are that it's big and the safety can be hard to reach
it is in the right spot, the US .mil told them to put it there same as colt's offering for the test.
For under 400 bucks it comes in as a decent purchase for most, I personally wouldn't unless I happened upon one around $300 or less in good shape.
A little while ago Academy was running a special on Stoeger Cougars for around $350 now I think they are back up to $380, I would strongly advise you pick up one of those instead if you happen upon a railed frame model, the only advantage a 92 will have over it is cheap mags.
It's really hard to justify a 92 when all the other wonder nines of the era (CZ75, P220/26, P88, S&W's, etc) are simply better.
Yeah I mean I dont mind kimber but even with 50% off I still feel like im overpaying for their stuff
My personal preference. I don't care for it. Don't like the feel, and I'm not the most accurate with it. I bought what I enjoy to shoot and can carry comfortably.
Whenever people ask me what they should get I give them a recommendation based off my preference, with the caviat that it's my opinion not fact.
oh god your gunstore sounds like shit (minus the smith and wesson part)
you've never touched a slide mounted safety have you, they're absolute garbage that can and will activate when the slide gets thrown violently forwards or backwards.
like you know when the gun actually gets shot instead of masturbated on
The 92 is at it's heart an enlargened P38 with some design cues taken from beretta's earlier guns (some of which were also heavily inspired by the P38).
The first slide mounted safety 92 was the 92S, and it predates US mil adoption
It original had one but could not stay in the test with out one like colts test pistol had, the army was not looking at most pistols that did not have a slide mounted safety /decocker.
Can you use it one handed? Have you ever used your gun under stress and worked the slide? Do you not realize that the safety doesn't even lock the trigger so you have to wait til you have that stupid bar in your sight picture to realize it has the safety on?
I've never had a 92 safety activate during firing (though I've heard of it happening - if it happens to you replace your springs).
But that motherfucker would constantly switch on/off inadvertently in the holster, which removed all hope of carrying in DA with the safety off.
These are problems I've rarely encountered in slide safety walthers and have never encountered in Makarov's mind you.
I own one and love it, Really accurate, nice trigger, decent sights, hi cap double stack mags, I dig that safety. It is a little bulky but I don't think anymore than a Glock 19 (not hating on glock) but its bulkiness doesnt stop me from hammering 2 liters and gallon gugs from 30 yards away
What are you even going on about that you should not have to change your training to the weapon platform, you would not treat a ak like an ar and wonder how the mag release works so don't treat a 92 like a glock in training.
-factory 15rd mags in a frame that should hold at a minimum 17, pistol's been around 30 years and while like 3 other companies make flush-fit 17rd mags Beretta refuses to
-factory mags don't last very well
-slide mounted safeties are objectively inferior to frame mounted safeties
-FUD about the locking block shearing, this only affected the M9 and 92F, 92FS, 92G, M9A1 and later are fine, recall happened
It's a decent target pistol but it's too large to CC and the grips are fat enough it doesn't fit people with small hands.
they now ship with 17rd mags
false in most cases they are comparable
They do http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-92fs-magazine-9mm-17-unpackaged/1383746/
Why are you assuming I was not trained on it and don't know what I am talking about that my 1SG told me before qual.
Avoid the CDP, Buy a shield or a nano instead, for a full sized buy a M&P or a railed decocker only 92G-SD or just get a PX4 (I suggest you shoot them first). Also the M9A3 has a redesigned safety selector (reangled and reshaped and sprung different) and there is the potential to go decocker only on that platform in the future
>factory 17rd mags
This must be new within the last 3-5 months. Work at an LGS, literally all of our inventory comes with 15rd mags.
The singular M9A3 we got did have 17rd mags though but they're very clearly stamped Promag.
>I told you to get the Gmodel or get it converted to G model.
No you didn't. No one has ever told me that.
Fuck you for suggesting it.
Damn, Im gonna have to get those wood grips as well when i order it.
It's not a bad gun. It's like a 1911 though, a top of the line service pistol of its time that makes an excellent range toy now.
If you plan on doing anything else with it (cc, hd, even issuing a service pistol NOW) you should have your head examined.
in a stressful situation you are much more inclined to grab anything you can - the safety for example it's a nice bit of leverage on these.
Which means you can activate the safety and also decock the gun in a stressful situation
Of all pistols I've fired this one feels most natural. Like pointing my index finger. Just point and pop. The increased size prevents manlets from taking advantage of the incredibly smooth recoil resulting from that size. Let's you groups bullets well and rapidly. Pulls apart so easily too. Invite anyone who hates on it to eat a spam can if dicks.
>slide mounted safety
>Ex-Army fanboys claiming it's more reliable than it actually is.
That's all. They're probably pretty good guns. Actually the new version looks pretty sweet.
Cabelas, not really a gun store per say but I work in the ammo department so i ignore everything else ever. I also work at a mom and pop gun shop but I dont get discounts thru them.
I dunno man. I dig mine a lot, points naturally, I actually like the trigger except the travel. Really the only complaint I have is that to upgrade the front sight you need a gunsmith or a gunsmiths skills and knowledge.
> last 3-5 months
Nah son, I bought my 92A1 used in July 2014 and it came 3 Beretta 17's. Also, it was one of the ones built in Italy and shipped over, so it probably wasn't even close to being new when I bought it.
I really don't like the one in the OP at all but this new one with the new grip, rail and threaded barrel seems a lot more palatable.
Still don't like slide mounted safeties.
I know that, but the safety covers them, and you typically come over the top of the slide. The safety is right there in the same place that more serrations would be. It still causes problems, there is a reason the army is ditching it.
>>Ex-Army fanboys claiming it's more reliable than it actually is.
That's funny because I hear the opposite. Usually because military armorers are too lazy to actually take care of the gun. The people who use them treat them like shit because "I don't care. I don't own it. LOL"
No it doesn't, try coming from the back instead.
So.. the special edition comes in an Army style ammo can?
Remember a few posts ago where implied it was for Army fanboys... yeah.
Seriously, I don't know anybody who owns one and wasn't issued one in the army. You could say that its' a good thing but to me it's more about some grunt trying to relive glory days and hanging on to their indoctrination of whatever the army told them.
Because it is a seriously mediocre gun. Stupidly heavy for a full size 9mm. FUCK AWFUL trigger. Slide safety is prone to deactivating from hasty draw from holster = ded. Designed by greasy mobster war losing Italians. Hammer fired and not striker fired. Also it looks fucking gay.
>Point stands, read the thread before you run your mouth.
>Slide safety is prone to deactivating from hasty draw from holster
So carry with an empty chamber? Derr.
Fuck sake. Is everyone a literal pussy? I get hot brass in the face everytime I shoot. Everytime. Why would you care about barrel burns, while clearing a malfunction? But, what if I'm just training? That would be a good time to learn not to do that shit. But, what if it's in the middle of a gunfight? You won't fucking care.
The gun is fine. And I don't even especially like the damn things. It's fine. It works. it's fine.
I win you have no argument anymore.
The fact is there is only one way to clear malfunctions, and that is not with the slingshot method. Face it slide safety sucks, and you fucking suck.
You haven't had an argument at all. So you lost after the first response. You can clear a malfunction with any method that properly manipulates the slide and the POWER RUNK is not proper on a 92 see page 12 of the owners manual.
dafuq? No you don't, you clear stovepipes the same way you clear dud rounds, tap-rack-assess (not bang because we don't want to train reflex of automatically shooting every time we tap-rack), no"pulling out of the cartridge". As for double feeds, you clear those by locking the slide back, dropping the mag, and racking it again.
Neither of those require any special handling beyond "rack the slide in whichever way is comfortable to you as long as it gets the round out."
You can not clear a stove pipe by racking the slide unless you shack the gun around. You can not clear a double feed by sling shotting.
You clear stove pipes by garbing the spent round and using it like a charging handle. Other wise it will bounce around in the action.
I don't dislike them; rented one recently and was consistently hitting well within a 2x4 sq inch box at 15 yards. Also they are the chosen sidearm of Chow Yun-Fat, so there's that.
I don't, however, enjoy the flip-up safety. What's the reason for that? Safeties that flip down at least make sense in that all you have to do is sweep your thumb down when you draw. This one seems like you'd have to actually check because the ergonomics do not give you a good sense of whether the safety has actually been fully flipped off.
>at the range
>buddy brings his ak47 with 70rd drum
>I'm shooting an ar15 that's his dad's
>both ripping off shots down range simultaneously
>standing to his right,getting straight pelted with hot brass
>wouldn't trade it for any thing in the world
I tried it would not load to 4chan something about wrong file type or corrupted file. And you are right it tells you the proper way to manipulate the slide which is nothing like what you are saying so you are a wrong faggot.
>You clear stove pipes by garbing the spent round and using it like a charging handle
...are you seriously suggesting that instead of tilting the gun to the side, pulling the slide back, and letting gravity do its work, you should grab on to a less-than-one-inch protrusion from the top of the slide and using the iron strength in your fingers pull the slide all the way back with the spent casing as a prybar?
There's a bit of a technique to that. Involves driving your thumb up as you're establishing a grip. The recess in the grip panels facilitates this.
However, I think a G configuration (decocker only) is vastly superior to the FS configuartion. An alternative is to simply carry the gun with the hammer down and the safety off.
But did it have to flip up? I don't mind a manual safety because plenty of guns have those. I do mind the relative ease by which it can be accidentally engaged and the relative unease to disengage it during the draw stroke.
>Get one OP, unless you're a small-handed little bitch.
You should go into sales.
"So I can put you in a Ford Focus today with a nav system, leather interior, and lifetime warranty. Let's go back and do some paperwork."
"I'm actually having second thoughts. You mind if I go home, talk to my wife, and get back to you."
"Yeah, I'll just have the secretary to look out for a call from a small-handed little byotch!"
Thats what I said, but all the nogunz said I was wrong.
It is the only way to clear that malfunction. In clearing my malfunction i have caused another problem. This is due to design, therefore we are back to square one.
Slide safeties suck.
>Hates FDE/Tan/Brown/ w/e
>Love the sweet heavy hotness of a 92 series
>Buys a Vertec because rails = cool factor of 9000+
>Why would you use a method that safes your gun while defending your self.
You don't push down on the safety. Lever up is fire position. They do this on purpose, you pull back on lever, it's actually angled up slightly from your grip and the pull will push it towards the fire position.
Your argument is invalid.
Slide mounted safety is lame, it's in a weird position and I think it is backwards operation which could be confusing under stress if you are not trained or are also trained on gun like 1911 which has lever move in opposite direction. I do not slide mounted safety but tap rack and bang will work just fine and you are wrong.
I have large hands, which is why when I go to clear malfunctions properly I actuate the safety. You can not clear malfunctions properly and quickly with the sling shot method.
Slide safeties suck, convert your gun to a G model, and stop being a range warrior.
anyone who hates on the beretta 92 is a milfag who knows how horribly abused and raped army issue m9s are, neglected full of carbon for months on end without cleaning sitting in that arms room, begging first sergeant to get the joes to clean them.
it's an outstanding, full steel, 9x19 pistol. slide safety is only an issue if you are such a piece of detritus with high finger fat index, and such low finger flexibility that you cant even move your thumb in such a way as to quickly and comfortably use the safety.
that said, there are definitely equivalent or better, lighter, for cheaper, 9mm alternatives on the market. very few of which share this pistol's lifespan if well maintained.
The M9's I used or saw in the muhreens were usually in pretty good shape. Only shot them on 1 occasion to get qualified. First time shotting a Beretta. I thought it was great. I plan on getting a 92G someday.
Because slide safeties get inadvertently activated at precisely the time where it will get you killed, therefore you MUST train to use it. Its a shitty design when it comes time to actually use it, also. Unlike the 1911 and P35.
19D here, 1st cav fort hood.
we dont train, we dont shoot, we dont do shit.
we do platoon-level training til everyone is basic training level then 15 people ETS, we get 15 new fuzzies, and the cycle repeats. our m9s are absolute trash. not only poorly maintained in terms of carbon, but so horribly abused and thrown around over their (30?) year lives that tolerances of the mechanical parts is suffering. you can shake and bend our m9s. some dont even disassemble without force.
Ive been here for the first 3.1 and last 3.1 yrs of my army life, i can't speak for other units, but ours are sub-fuckin standard and i wouldnt pay more than $100 for one if i saw it on the shelf of my local gunshop.
Disregard haters, acquire Beretta.
Post your 92's.
>use the spent round as a charging handle.........
For the love of God, rip your penis from your body and then jump off of a cliff, in front of a moving train, with a noose around your neck, and shoot yourself in the head. Do whatever it takes to ensure you don't accidentally reproduce. Your ancestors are ashamed of you and sincerely hope you either die or become a prison bitch.
God you're annoying. You have a hateboner for slide mounted safeties, we get it. Believe it or not, some people have no problem clearing malfunctions with a 92fs. But HURR DEY DO IT RONG. Alright, whatever mister range ninja.
OP, get the 92fs. It's a sweet shooter, and you won't have any trouble racking the slide if you're not a moron.
Well, not trying to be a motard, but marines are known for excessively cleaning weapons. Ive whole work days cleaning rifles. Pistols pretty much only get issued to officers and SNCOs but the armory clerks make sure they clean there shit too. Some M9s are loose but all seem to function fine.
op, get an original 92 with a frame safety. italians were retarded for wanting the safety on the slide.
That said, I carry a p64 and have no problems with the slide safety. It just takes getting used to considering every other gun I have has a frame safety.
OP here, paperwork filled out, expecting my new beretta soon
Nigger for 385 buy it to shove up your ass and make people on the Internet gay gawd dayum how was this a hard decision
Holy fuck 385 for a new prostate stimulator, poor fag jelly maker AND it shoots?!
And fucking accurate?