>you don't have a scar
Why? What is your excuse? Let's hear it.
>dont like FDE guns and no sense in getting it in black since its ugly
>ugg boot for a stock contributing to ugly
>no desire for a .308
>no need to buy a $2k+ gas piston 5.56
Im sure its a great performing rifle, FN makes great stuff. I just think it's overrated for what it is and its price point and dont find it pleasing to look at. I'd rather just have a decent quality AR and spend the money on saved on something else like ammo or maybe a can....or both.
What's with the obsession over it? The damn thing has a cult following.
No monies; bought Poorfag Trainer Rifle instead.
AR-18 derived short stroke tappet piston similar to M-14
Bolt and carrier group lifted from the G36
Fire control group carried over from the FNC, itself copied from the M1 Carbine
Charging handle from the FNC
Magazines adapted from the FAL
It's an amalgamation of the best aspects of multiple different firearms, including the ergonomics of the AR-15. Calling it a direct copy, or "dressed up" version of any single weapon is both retarded and wrong.
>Bolt and carrier group lifted from the G36
Which is derived from the AR-18.
And yes, I does heavily base on other FN designs in the ergonomics and FCG department, it's basic function is virtually the same as an AR-18.
>closer to a FAL
>not knowing the scar bcg is a literal hammer
>I don't need a battle rifle and my precision rifle isn't a .308
>50 shades of FDE or 5 shades of black
>both models eat optics
>tiny improvement in reliability over AR10 for twice the price, or tiny improvement over AR15 for thrice the price and twice the weight
>ugg boot stock
It's a nice rifle, but it does nothing I need.
The 17h is a cool gun, but I already have a .223 for carbine courses, a 7.62x39 for hogs, and a .308 bolt action for bigger game or shooting out to 600m.
That doesn't really leave me with much utility for a rifle that costs roughly the same as remodeling my kitchen.
>m&p 10 is just as good at less than half the price
keep telling yourself that
I don't own either rifle. What's the functional difference between the two for civilian use?
Internet heresay says the Scar is a 1.5 m.o.a. gun. Is the M&P 10 worse than that? Does it malfunction more often?
>7.62 NATO pistol with a folding stock
>Plastic toy that will break in a minimum field trail
>Literally has no usage other than sport
Why would I want to buy a toy anon rather than getting a 417 or this new 417 copy of Turkish army when it enters US market.
>minimum field trail
Is that what you call the SCAR program, the most extensive testing of any small arm in US Military history with over 2 million rounds expended during development?
I don't like picatinny rails
I don't like the gay gas block front sight post that gets in the way of pushing my arm farther forward on the fore end
I don't like the stock
I don't like the stock charging lever
I don't like the fact that it doesn't take PMAGs
I don't like the stock safety selector or A2 grip
I don't like the fact that I pretty much have to buy a geissele trigger
I like the fact that it's a side charging, piston driven rifle that fires 7.62 NATO and it has a slick monolithic upper receiver, but the amount of things that I would replace would shoot the rifle into the 3500-4000$ range, not even including an optic. I would probably go with a CQBSS or a Vortex Razor or something which is another few thousand dollars.
Fuck anon, even I didn't have any faith in my bait. I was just trying to act like a vatnik but seriously... Why did you even reply to my low quality bait?
I am a bit embarassed about it myself.
It's a very inexpensive rifle to manufacture. The commercial price is derived from importation and conversion costs along with an excessive dose of cool guy tax on top of that. Limited supply only serves to drive that cost even higher in periods of high demand.
Worth is subjective and entirely dependent on your personal situation and desires.
There is nothing wrong or defective about the weapon so as long as it meets your personal criteria the only thing left to determine is if your budget warrants the expense.
You're not making it any easier, dude.
Well it's not as much as I have the money as I have the time to make the money. If a scar out performs an AR 15 I might as well save up for a scar.
At no point in my life I will ever need a gun. Unless war breaks out here, and even then, military draft means I get one from gov.
Only big time criminals use guns here, so the protect your home stuff is bull. Someone deep enough in the criminal circuit to get a gun will not break into houses.
If guns were allowed, I would get one as means of protection. But that is luckily not the case.
>not a meme rifle
There are stories of dudes taking the scopes off their sr-25/m110 and throwing them on scars.
Its not for everyone but it is easily the best modern production .308 semi auto. Just because its not your ar doesn't make it useless. A lot if y'all yemind me of Alex's review on tfb, he bitched because it doesn't fit the same niche as his 3gun ar
>scar out performs an AR 15
They both shoot the same round from the same magazine, your target won't know the difference.
The real difference is to you as a shooter and which rifle offers the feature set you want is up for you to decide.
I can tell you that in comparison to the $800 AR, the SCAR has some markedly improved engineering aspects which will effect the overall reliability and longevity of the weapon. For further reading I'd suggest taking a look at both of these threads:
Of particular note in the second link is the SCAR 16 shot exclusively in full auto that lasted 100K rounds with zero parts breakage.
Don't forget a chic D&G laser!
And yea OP, sorry man, but I just don't have any interest. I usually shoot within 300 yards here in Pennsylfuckya. Even then you can normally only ever see 100-200 yards because of trees and brush and hills and other shit. Plus its a big gun (4me) and I'm most comfortable with AK's. And that price is way out of my comfort level. I'm not saying it or any other gun is bad, just that my preference for the past 11 years has been an AK with cheap bulk ammo.
>the ways and customs of your proud ancestors
profligates like you belong on the cross
Look, just because you have the money to buy it doesn't mean you can afford it. I've wanted a lamborghini for 10 years, but that doesn't mean that I should go out and buy one once I have $200,000 in my bank account. Do you have any debts? Do you want to buy a house? Do you want to get married? You need to take these things into account when thinking about shelling $2000 for a rifle that you don't need.
9mm compact as your cc (or fullsize if you can't cc, skip this if sub $21) $480
PSA or S&W ar15 $600-$800
12 guage pump action shotgun $300
10/22 rifle $220
That's a pretty good start right now, for $1800. You can spend the last $700 on a combination of:
>an optic for the ar.
>a better ar budget
>a better pistol budget
>a weapon light for whichever weapon you want to use in HD
Personally, id skip the shotgun and spend more on the rifle and pistol.
>all this Pagan Degeneracy
Page 13 and thereafter, the entire thread is well worth reading for non-biased fact based insight on long term weapon durability. Here is another that goes into further detail on the FN's specifically:
I know you have the best of intentions, and probably made similar mistakes, but I: don't need a house, am not getting married, and have a car. If I ever do get married and buy a house I doubt it'll be easier to buy the rifle then than it would be sooner. The way I see it, now could potentially be the only time in my life I have a chance to get one.
I know, but elitist OP questions like "why don't you own X?" are the perfect excuse to post this... I mean, when are we ever going to have a SAPR thread that won't immediately die?
>Stevens 320 combo
>WASR-10 or RF-16 Socom
>Glock 19 (or any semi-auto handgun)
>LCR in .357 (or any revolver)
Then you've got the best breakdown of your money. You're spending less than $2500 and you're accumulating a 12 gauge, 9mm, .357 / .38, .22 LR, and either a 7.62x39 or .223. The ammunition is plentiful and cheap and from a commonality standpoint accessories will be easy to get a hold of. The shotgun has both field and defensive barrels for either hunting or home scatter. The AK / AR gives you more firepower and accessorizing them is a fun way to tailor them to you. A .22 LR is a good, no bullshit small game or plinking rifle. A 9mm handgun is a staple and the more common, the better. There's probably three Glock armorers and 10 stores selling Glock shit within 100 miles of you. Then having a revolver that can shoot either .38 or .357 gives you versatility and a handgun that packs a punch.
Stay as close to those guidelines as you can and you'll do fine.
>he thinks caliber change kits will be released anytime soon....
Changing calibers on a SCAR isnt that hard.
YES! YES! YES!
THANK YOU BASED MARK CHERPES.
>Why? What is your excuse? Let's hear it.
I'm currently busy buying more rare and exotic guns that are out of production and will go up in value over time.
>Converted SL8s (G36/XM8 clone)
I also built four ARs last year, each one costing at least $2k and some costing as much as $4k. This year I plan on getting a SCAR though. 2016 will be the year of the battle rifle for me.
Those are my planned purchases for the next 9-10 months.
So has the FAMAS, but those routinely go for anywhere between $14k-$25k depending on condition because only 200 were imported.
Only 1850 SPAS 12s were ever imported, and of that number only a small amount were the folding stock versions. While it might have lost its mainstream exposure, it is firmly cemented as one of the most iconic guns of all time.
More of a pistol guy.
Built an ar, gave it to my dad.
building second ar, probably give it to my brother.
Buy Scar 17s after for myself.
Already have P250, SP2022, Rossi 38 Special, Rossi 357 Mag, & Officer 1911.
Scar's on the list when everyone else has what they need.
>iconic guns of all time
Because it means something to you, doesnt mean its going to mean as much as you think it will be in the future. But thats the nature of a speculative investment. Your banking that the market forces of tomorrow will be as such as that there will be buyers, and for an appreciably higher amount.
While you may be correct. What im getting at is that there is an age group that was exposed to the spas. To that generation, its going to have value.
Its like if you never saw Miami Vice, your not going to want a Bren Ten. Its too much a piece of shit.
>What is your excuse?
They're too goddamn expensive for doing something that cheaper alternatives can do. I can get an AR or AK in .308 and have just as much fun.
Fuck I would love to have one though. I think they're total sex.
>While you may be correct. What im getting at is that there is an age group that was exposed to the spas. To that generation, its going to have value.
Oh, on this I completely agree. I'm also confident that there will be no shortage of buyers if I ever decide to sell it (not that I ever sell guns). I grew up with the SPAS 12, and so did tons of other people. Selling it in my lifetime won't be a problem at all because I'm growing up with the generation that learned to love it. If somehow I was immortal and I tried to sell it to one of my great grand-kid's friends, then that where's issues would start to occur because they wouldn't recognize it. Even then, there will always be a buyer who wants something that is inherently rare even if that's their only interest in it.
Still, I feel like my original post was misleading. I'm buying rare/exotic guns because I like them and want to get them before supply dries up completely, not because I'm thinking of resale value down the road. For instance, FS2000s are quickly going up in price because the supply is going down so quickly. You used to be able to find them for $1400 while they were in production, then $1600 last year. Now the cheapest one you can find in decent condition is $2200.
Because I bought a Tavor instead.
I always wanted an SBR but since I move between states so much, bringing one along is very difficult .
>What's with the obsession over it? The damn thing has a cult following.
Being a tactical hipster, I find the AR platform quite boring.
It is a unique gun among a sea of special snowflakes (95% of all the 'custom" ARs out there). People who buy the SCAR most likely have 10 other ARs and want something different.
>I can get an AR or AK in .308 and have just as much fun
>Cost 2/3 of a SCAR for a decent rifle with none of the advantages of a SCAR
>market sucks and is non-unified
>far cheaper than a SCAR
>inherently bad accuracy
>"I had a good range day, I managed to get my groupings down to 3moa!"
Have fun with that. If you just want to send .308 down range, then go for it. If you want to start going for precision groups, then you need to invest in a better rifle.
And I'm not talking about meme "AKs are inaccurate". It's a well known fact that veprs are 2moa rifles. Just browse AKfiles and you'll see that.
Differnet anon, but it depends on the size of the kitchen. I live in a decent sized house (four bedrooms, 2.5 bath) and am shopping around for a kitchen remodeling. Most estimates are coming in around $10k-$15k.
>I bought a Tavor instead of a SCAR
What a stupid move. Plus you're about $1,000 light on the SCAR. It's alright though, at least the rifle you bought has adjustable gas, forward assist, and a great trigger.
I had about $2000 saved up because I was going to buy a SCAR then I got a wild hair up my ass that I wanted a SBR or a bullpup.
I'll get a SCAR eventually if Grand Wizard Obeezy or Shilldawg doesn't ban them before I'm done in Singapore.
Illegal in my country :(
Not yuropoor, just Canadian
If you look at any high end piston gun with a quick change barrel, iron sights, adjustable gas settings, CHF CL barrel, and as light as it is... Yeah they will cost about that much
Because I bought a nice AR-10 pattern rifle instead. Specifically the Larue with a pencil barrel. This was back when the SCAR-17 was hard to find and cost $3k, and mags cost $60 each, and the Larue was "only* $2300.
Now I've moved on to other interests so I'll probably never get a SCAR. I doubt I'm missing anything.
Still waiting for that anon who bet his life savings that no one here on /k/ owned a SCAR to pay up.
She my bae. I also got her at cost. 25hunid. I'll be upgrading the stock, handguard, grip. Swapped the trigger before my paperwork was processed.
Correction then: for the same cost as putting tile floors in and re-staining/re-finishing the cabinets myself. No new appliances or counter tops.
But either way, as much as I might like the rifle, house and family will come first for a while.
what am i missing then? sell me on one. i like the way they look, sure, and i have no doubt they are excellent battle rifles, but compared to a deadnuts reliable ar15 whats so great?
Link? Not calling you a liar, I only said 2500 because the Jew ass cabelas near me sells the 16s for 2900 because they don't understand how MSRP works. I just figured they'd be lower than 2900. Interested in purchasing one soon.
I prefer G3 clones because muh cheap magazines and muh free-floated barrel.
I'll gladly take an HK91 or clone any day of the week over a SCAR.
PTR91 A3R. Comes with an HK wide handguard, has a welded top rail. Its pretty great.
I'm actually excited for the rdm seeing as Chad has said its coming in .308
Rechamber that sexy bitch in 6.5 creed with the wood furniture and I'll be too busy having sex with it to even go to the range
I'm converting a PTR-91 into a PSG-1, which the lower, stock, and bolt assembly of a PSG-1 is worth more than a decked out SCAR is.
I think I'm good.
Because I live in Australia and I own a moist nugget already.
What were you getting? I was thinking of a 1911 but the capacity was kind of making me think other wise. I was thinking of getting a USP45 or something along those lines but a 1911 just points so well...also isnt it like the crack of dawn in australia?
I already own a Savage MkII FVSR chambered in .22LR and a Mosin Nagant 91/30, next I hope to get an M44 & M39, later a Warwick Firearms WFA-1 it is basically a straight pull AR-15 that won't accept other AR-15 uppers or Lowers.
Yeah, I work night shift.
I am also looking at joining a pistol club so I can buy a couple revolvers, S&W 929 & a S&W 686 and a Glock 17A
FN Products are banned in my country
Don't buy many shitty guns, get exactly what you want.
You can't carry five shitty guns at once. Get a scar or a good 1911/USP and call it a day.
Once you have a good rifle, or pistol, spend the rest of the money practicing and shooting.
Because the company that designed if put a lot of resources into designing it and perfecting it. Thats not cheap and designing your own product inherently means you can charge high amount for it.
>If I’m flying full tilt down a course of fire in competition shooting, I want something that I can maneuver quickly, not this oversized fish-like firearm. Unless I’m shooting heavy metal division, in which case this firearm would actually be a perfect replacement for the M1A and AR-10 currently being used.
>If I’m out hunting, I want something that I can keep a low profile with and carry for miles without getting tired, not this eight pound monstrosity. Unless I’m hog hunting and using a vehicle, in which case the bulk would be much more manageable.
>If I’m on the range I want an inexpensive caliber that I can fire without my wallet trying to strangle me. Unless I don’t particularly care about accuracy and am using cheap milsurp ammo.
>If I’m getting a home defense rifle I want something with enough power to put down a bad guy without blowing out my eardrums and a round that stops or significantly loses velocity after hitting flesh instead of continuing through the next few walls. Unless I live on a ranch and expect my attackers to be at a distance.
>The place where this kind of firearm works best is the military where you need to project firepower over great distances. I can definitely see improvements over the M-14 and AR-10 for that application, but not much else. There are some rather specific niches into which the SCAR can fit in civilian shooting, but the question is whether the benefits of the platform in those very specific situations warrant the hefty price tag.
SCAR owners on suicide watch.
I spent all my money on stupid shit.
>still pretending that you operate operationally
There are more important thing in life than buying $3000 paper punchers.
>bragging about paying for cuckstamps
Is this supposed to be a joke?
I want no other weapon more than a Scar but im so fuckin broke.
lmaoing at your life it must suck to be poor now run along while you play with your toy while men fool around with weapons of war.
>when your gun is so cucked it has to be renamed due to shame
What scar do I want if I desire to put 7.62 at dinner-plate sized targets 300-500m away accurately? How portable will it be?
I don't know much about the specific models of them that are out now, or the ones that are coming soon.
I can't read these words anymore without doing so in Phuc Long's accent.
>minimal parts breakage on rifles with 100k+ full auto
sweet jesus the ghost JMB and Saive must still work at FN for them to come up with something that based
Same. All I could afford was to build my own Bulgarian ak-74