Who has NFA forms pending?
>tfw your first suppressor took 10 months to transfer
>acting like an impatient little bitch because you expected yours to be done in 4 months this time
Post your shit and dates. Also NFA pictures thread.
I didn't know how 41p was going to play out so I went ahead and submitted a paper Form 1 (trust) for my 2nd SBR. I'm not really in a hurry for this one since it's my second one. Waiting for suppressors sucks. Hell, my 1st SBR stamp was e-filed back during the first batch of efiling and came back in 90 days. I had the stamp before I could afford to build the damn thing. I was expecting another 3-4 months.
hell yeah, that would be an awesome little toy to have
Check for my Omega was cashed Aug 25th and I don't have it yet :(
My SBR check was cashed July 10th and I got it 130 days later. Both Trust, SBR e filed, can paper.
I got 4 guns to mount the can on
Also OP thanks to 41P/F I'm not getting anymore. My trust is essentially worthless now. (read: in 180 days)
>trust is worthless thanks to 41f
how so? trustees have to submit fingerprints and photos, big fucking deal. the thing that was so scary about 41p was the fear of having CLEO signoff. Now it's just CLEO notification, including individuals.
The way I see it 41f will actually increase the availability of NFA
For every single person on the trust.
That's a huge pain in the ass and unless I REAAAALLY want something (if Anzio is still in business when I get the dosh) I'm not going to bother anymore.
Filed a Form 1 for my PS90 in November because of how 41P/F was looking at the time. Looks like efiled forms are taking about 4 months now, so maybe in March I'll get the stamp.
Compare this to this time last year, when I filed a form 1 in January and got the stamp at the end of February. Oh well.
The trust still allows others to have possession of your items while you're not around. You can't do that when it's registered to you. They're still worth doing from that perspective and it's not retro active
it isn't every single person on the trust though. it is only those who can control and make changes to the trust. If you have a grantor to the trust then really you'd be the only one that can make changes to it and you'd be the only one that'd be rq'd to have the photo and finger prints.
However the photo fingerprints and cleo notification will only be 6 months out once it is put into the general register. since it hasn't been put in yet the 6 month timeline hasn't started. furthermore people will be taking that to court anyways so who knows if that will hold up.
My form 1 on a trust took almost exactly 90 days last year. Filed somethibg like 4/29 and got like 7/28 or very close to there.
Dealer just initiated the form 3 transfer for my surpressor like 3 weeks ago.... Only 10 more months before I can take physical possession of it guys!
In addition to allowing other people to posses your NFA items without your supervision if your trust was setup that way like that other anon said the trust offers asset protection.
My lawyer advised me to move all firearms to my trust and any valuable collectiins because a trust has clear sucessorship defined and does no go to probate if you die so your possessions are not a matter of public record.
Additionally he indicated in as ethical a way as he could that it would protect your assets in the event of a divorce since you don't own them and are merely a custodian of them.
Specwar 762 took 6 months starting in March. Got my first SBR stamp through the E-Forms in 4 months starting in August. I have a second SBR eform going through now and I dont plan on adding anything more for a while.
People have been analyzing the shit out of it. The most convincing arguments I have read say that responsible person(s) are only t hose who can make changes to the trust itself so pretty much just trustees. I don't know the term or title for these people, but you can have people who can possess the items of the trust but not make changes and thus are not responsible for the trust, its assets, or its operation.
Overall I'd consider 41p a lateral move. It helps people who could never get CLEO sign off like me but it inconveniences everyone slightly.
My tin foil hat says that these rule changes are designed to discourage most people from the additional expense of trust now that CLEO is not required. This is because it is an attempt to gradually reduce the amount of NFA items in circulation makes passing on NFA items is more difficult/a hassle as an individual. Undoubtedly many people who don't know better or don't have any interest would surrender NFA items because of the additional hassle and cost it takes to dispose of them without a trust. Consider a collection of only five items would cost $1000 to just transfer, that could very easily be more to keep a few guns someone doesn't care about than they think it's worth.
Muh SBR and I ordered a Mystic X.
NFA transfers to an heir is done tax free on a form 5 and the ATF will generally bend over backwards to make sure the guns end up in the right hands and not sold at a flea market.
You are retarded
Keep your damage control quiet buddy
Because it was as god designed them.
Also its fun as fuck.I got to shoot a post-86 G3 on full-retard. Absolute, uncontrollable bliss. I think my grouping was the size of a truck at 50m
anyone still here?
I want to build a suppressed 300 blk SBR.
probly use a 9" BCM upper and attach it to one of my existing COLT AR lowers.
Does that mean I need 2 tax stamps? (one for the SBR and one for the Suppressor?)
What part of the SBR gets registered? the Serial number of the lower?
How long for to get stamps for 2 NFA items?
yes, two stamps, the lower gets registered, yes the original serial number, you also have to engrave it with your name and your city and state. The gun also has to bear the registered caliber or gauge engraved on it too. Most people just go with the engraving that is on the barrel.
Example, the lower is engraved:
Leroy Jenkins Revocable Living Trust
the barrel is already engraved .300 or 300 AAC BLK or whatever so you're good there.
If you really want to be a stickler just engraving the lower, too. The form 1 will have caliber: .300 on it so engrave CAL .300 on the lower
you can add CAL .300 AAC BLACKOUT for identification but only the CAL .300 is necessary to satisfy ATF rules
presuming i do all of this and have my 2 stamp suppressed sbr, would it be legal for me to then put different uppers on the registered lower?
like say i wanted to put a full 16" upper on it for some reason.
you dont change the engraving... the engraving is required for where the gun is manufactured or made. as the "maker" of the SBR you have to engrave your location into it
for moving you file a 5320.20 with the ATF and as long as you aren't moving to a ban state they will approve it and the registry will reflect your new address
>legal to put different uppers
yes, once you have a stamp for an SBR you can own as many different uppers as you want of any length
Put a Form 4 for a can in Sept. Efiled a Form 1 SBR around Christmas. I use a trust and to make the most of it I'll probably submit one more a month for the next 6. Probably going to:
SBR an AK pistol that I have
Form 1 an AOW of some kind
Pick up at least a .30cal can and a .22can, considering a dedicated 9mm can (got a .45 to cover all the bases)
Maybe SBS a shotgun for fun.
Maybe SBR a shitty Yugo mauser into a Yugoberez
There's some longer term projects I'll probably do as well but I only have 3 trustees so I'll probably wait. Most of it is that I assume that unless they update the efile system, we'll lose the ability to efile Form 1s with the trusts.
Interesting, as my trust states that the settlelor retains sole control over the trust itself and trustees cannot make any changes to the document with the exception of updating schedule A with the explicit permission of the settlelor.
Only thing I would probably own(that I can afford is a sawn off really, wouldn't mind a fn FAL but can't afford a semi auto let alone a Preban full auto.) also a Tec-9 but I would probably rather have a semiauto of that personally.
Quick question: if you get a stamp does it have too be for a exact gun, or something in that type. Like if you get one for a shorty shotgun do you have too submit it for a exact model or can you get it for any type of model etc.
When you submit paperwork to turn an existing firearm into an NFA device, you specify the manufacturer of the firearm, the serial, etc so yest it is for an exact device. Even if you create it from scratch you have to specify certain information ahead of time. So you could not get a stamp for an SBS and decide later which one you are going to buy. For example if I want to put a short barrel on a Mossberg 500 I have to have the Mossberg 500 in my possession before filing the paperwork because I need to have both legal ownership as well as the serial and dimensions.
I was thinking in reguars of a full auto rifles and shorties like a Serbu Super-Shorty which you can't buy without a stamp, would you have too have one lined up too buy or get a stamp for the exact model or say, if you get one for a serbu like shorty it's good for any model they sell or can only be for that one make?
Oh yes, you would have to arrange to buy it first, then fill out the paperwork. For example, I bought a suppressor paid for it, had it set aside, and used its information (length, caliber, serial) and will simply take possession of it when the stamp comes in.
Gotta find it first then get the stamp for that exact device with that serial.
Thanks for all the info, probably just stick too getting one for a sawn off(when I find a good double I would want too do that with anyway) how much would it cost too have one Professionally sawned off for? I wouldn't want too go through that much work and fuck it up.
a shotgun barrel you could cut yourself with a hacksaw, dremel tool, and straight edge and level.
a rifle barrel would have to be cut, crowned, and threaded.... best left to a gunsmith
I was thinking I could do the barrel myself, but the handle was what I was wanting done nice. And if I was gonna get the handle handled somewhere by a gunsmith maybe way not have them do a better job on the barrel as well.