>>28481794 glocks are either the gold standard or just the standard depending on who you talk to. I carry a G23 .40 (same profile as G19), and it's a great gun, very comfortable, and with a good cant on your holster will disappear on you. Glocks also pretty much run forever and have infinite aftermarket. Currently waiting on a G30 .45 that i'm hella excited about because 10rd 45 subcompact. The USP9c is a little bit thicker, but still a very, very good gun. With the hogue grips, it's got the most comfortable grip of any gun I own. Ignoring the "SQUISHY," a lot of people tend to like the FNS guns, but the aggressive texturing irritates my skin. I don't own a CZ, but the general consensus is that you can't go wrong with one, even if they're a little heavy. M&P's are known to have shitty gritty triggers and XD's are fucking boring as shit.
Honorable mentions are probably walther P99cAS and Steyr C9
>>28481858 they came out with the pro line which was supposed to have a better trigger pull, but still everyone will tell you just to drop in one of the Apex kits, even in the pro's. Polymer pistols have comparatively bad triggers, but M&P's take it to a new level.
>>28481872 oh, sorry glocks have a trigger that takes a little getting used to, not in a big way, but to get really accurate with them takes practice. they come with good stock triggers, and after about 700rds through my 23, it's got a great pull. the USP has an excellent trigger just by virtue of it being DA/SA and not striker fired. I bought mine used and already broken in, but it's a dream to shoot. the trigger contour is also very comfortable. I like shooting the USP a little more, but even with the striker trigger in the glock I carry it more by virtue of not having a decocker, safety, and hammer to deal with and the fact that it's a couple mm thinner
>>28481908 no problemo man For a Gen3 G19, expect anywhere from $450 to $550, possibly lower used, Gen4's fluctuate around $500-$600 new. My G23 was $350 from a local guy running an anemic FFL out of his house. I bought my USP9c for $650 with 6 mags. I've seen used for around $500 at their lowest, new ones are around $600-$700
>>28481969 I think this anon gave you some great advice. However, I would make this tiny suggestion: if you like the features of the USP, try to handle a P30 in the store. In my opinion, the P30SK has a lot of improvements over the USP compact that more than equate the extra $100-$200 you may pay.
Too weak for what?.. How tall are you? What do you weigh? Are you a civilian? Former or active military/law enforcement? Do you stay in shape and physically take care of yourself to actually be semi useful in an emergency?
There are lots and lots of factors to consider beyond "how big dis hole gunna b in dat nigga"
>>28482000 reason I didn't mention the p30SK is the 10rd magazines, anon mentioned he wanted the highest capacity possible. although, my LGS has a p30sk for $500 so it's not even more expensive which is interesting >>28483466 looked at the 30S and the 30SF, but CDNN had a sale and snagged the G30 at $450 new, so that's why no S >>28483658 I'd etiher carry the CZ or the purple 19/23/38 whatever because I hate .380
>>28481794 Complaining about glocks isn't just a meme, their ergonomics are awful to some of us with smaller hands (probably you). Go put some in your hands first,>>28481836 this guy has decent advice even if he's a glawk 40 fag. >>28483658 Once again, lose weight.
>>28485524 >small hands yes, actually please don't listen to me and go try one if you have small hands. in all fairness your glock experience will be different. I had to put the thickest grip glove on my 92 to fit my hands
>>28481611 I would like to respectfully disagree: Bizon does too little damage to effectively kill and steal another weapon, especially if the enemy has armor (which they will on an eco.) However, the Bizon is an ok choice on CT side the round immediately after the pistol round (if you won.)
The MP7 is generally too expensive to buy on an eco round, when you could easily buy an MP9/MAC10 or a UMP.
>>28485945 it's heavy because it's not adopted by a large force of firearm users such as a military or police force, or even a large hunting community domestically like such rounds as the 5.56x45, 7.52x39, 9x19mm, 30-06, .243, 12 Gauge, etc.
The Five seveN is not an ideal carry pistol for various reasons, all revolving around the fact that it is designed around a niche cartridge and performs as such.
A few of these reasons are shortly described below:
Its barrel length is significantly important to its performance (as velocity is what makes or breaks the performance of light bullets) which means it can not be very efficiently miniaturized for carry on people of smaller stature or in warmer climes. To have a barrel as long as this is not always a downfall, but is for many.
A very important thing to note about the inherently light bullet is that one must focus their bullet choice either entirely on penetration or entirely on immediate expansion. With heavier rounds such as the 9mm, .357, or .45ACP, one can have a good mix of both. This means that one must commit to dealing with problems of overpenetration potentially endangering non-combatants or valuable property or one must commit to dealing with the problems of bullets potentially not reaching vital areas through heavy clothing on top of thick layers of fat on top of thick layers of muscle which are commonly found on the type of individual who makes violent crime a career. One can attempt to sidestep these problems by stagger loading one penetrating round and then an quick expanding one and repeating this process, but in reality this forces the user to have to consider and deal with the downfalls of both other courses of action.
Another downfall of the Five seveN is the aggressive lines in its design. These are not a problem if one uses a very rigid OWB holster like those for whom the pistol was designed, however this creates snag hazards for those who wish to carry this pistol concealed.
Another potential downfall of the 5.7x28 as a cartridge is that it is not offered in a large number of pistol platforms as other more common pistols are. This means that if the Five seveN does not fit the hand of the user or point well that the user (to be ctd)
>>28486006 Same reason as the round. It's really meant for the WASP with too much disposable income crowd, which is perfectly fine. iirc it wasn't adopted by any military or paramilitary (police) group, so therefore it isn't that popular and fills a niche group.
>>28486206 (ctd) is pretty much out of luck. If a user wants to carry a 9mm, they have several dozen reasonable options to weigh based on how well they interface with the user among other factors. with the 5.7x28 this is not the case.
Another downfall of the pistol is the limited availability of replacement parts and repair materials. Admittedly, that is more of an SHTF concern than a CCW one, but it deserves to be noted if the pistol does break, as pistols without an established track record are liable to do.
The final shortcoming of the Five seveN on which I will elaborate here is the inclusion of a manual external safety. The inclusion of such a feature is always inconvenient, but the Five seveN takes this inconvenience to a new level by choosing to place the safety in a non-standard position which can not be actuated with a single hand easily (in case the other hand is out of commission or occupied with another task during the draw.) This downfall is twofold because unless this is the only pistol with which a user trains, it creates a potentially dangerous dissonance in muscle memory. If one trains with other pistols and becomes accustomed to sweeping off a standard frame safety, that is the behavior which will come out in a high stress situation. Because this behavior will not actually take off the safety of the Five seveN, one may be left fumbling for the safety after drawing the pistol and being unable to fire in a time when fractions of a second could mean the difference between life and death.
It's not a bad pistol. It is very good at what it is designed to do, but this aptitude is also its Achilles's heel to users who are either not experienced enough in firearms or do not think far enough ahead to ask "what was this pistol designed to do?" and who try to use it fart outside of that niche.
>>28486288 I believe what what >>28486242 meant was that it was not adopted by one of the few large bodies (US Army, US marines, FBI, LAPD, NYPD, etc.) of such individuals which would make such a pistol and round common enough by their adoption that it would become affordable in the same way such rounds as the .40 S&W
the snub nose 38 has turned more women away from shooting than any idiot boyfriend ever could. introduce them to a larger frame first; doesn't matter what caliber. just make it something that is fun to shoot.
>>28480014 I'll tell you my story, OP. I almost went with the FN 57. Its armour piercing bullets made my boner stand alert. The issues are as follows:
1) The people at whom you're shooting are not wearing armour in all likelihood; 2) For the price, you can get two $600 9mm guns or like four $300 9mm guns; 3) The rounds over-penetrate; 4) They don't expand either; 5) Ammo is more expensive; 6) LEOs don't carry it. That's not a good sign; 7) I don't like squishy, plastic guns;
>be scrawny 28 year old white boy, 5'9 128lbs >work at liquor store >end of april last year some nigger comes in, keeps stealing from us >finally catch the nignog, yell at him until he leaves >two weeks later he robs another store, bites the clerk >holyshitthatcouldhavebeenme.jpg >never hear anything after that >fast forward to this week >he robs us when friend is working, hear about it next day I want to get a concealed carry gun to ward off potential bitings and other thieving niggers (also to prepare for the inevitable Muslim uprising). What would be a good, reliable sidearm that I could take with me to work?
Link and pick related, it's the bitey nigger who's been robbing us and all the other stores around town: http://wkrn.com/2015/05/12/man-attempts-to-steal-liquor-rams-store-building-during-getaway/
>>28480014 FN Five-seveN is without a doubt the best full size service/carry pistol on the market today.
The pistol is very light. The pistol is very accurate. The pistol is very reliable. It has an amazing 20 round magazine without being super fat. The 5.7 cartridge is the best pistol cartridge out there for general use, and can fill any role a 9mm, .40, .45, .357, etc can, but better.
>>28488472 G26 is an amazing gun. I CCed one for about 6 months until I got a PPS, which I greatly prefer. PPS is still my compact CC gun. I've never found one I like more, including the new G43, the Shield, or the Sig 938.
>>28485558 >>28485524 I'm the anon who asked originally and I have tiny girl hands, but I've fired a glock 19 before and nothing about it felt off—that said, I might not've shot it enough to be able to tell. Would it be something I'd notice immediately?
>>28490999 nope. If it doesn't immediately irritate you, it won't. most of the people who complain about the glock design are people who have trouble migrating to it from other pistols. The 23 is actually a little bit small to be comfortable for me. Another reason most people have trouble adjusting is that it has a 112 degree grip angle whereas most other polymer shooters have something like 100-105 degree angle which changes your natural point of aim when you're trained on another pistol.
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