I am building an AR and I want a red dot. I was looking at the Vortex Strikefire and the Sparc 2. How are these 2 red dot sights?
I've had one for years.
Get the "red only" illumination model. It's Aimpoint bright.
The red/green is only daylight visible in green.
I would rather not spend the money if these red dot sights are not bad
The Strikefire 1 and 2 are pretty bad actually.
>egg shaped fuzzy dot
>visible refraction from emitter
>emitter visible in scope tube
>Strikefire 1 didn't go daylight bright even on highest settings with brand new batteries
>Strikefire 1 didn't go daylight bright even on highest settings with brand new batteries
Only in red, and only on the Red/Green model. And the green dot was most certainly daylight visible in the South Texas afternoon.
The "red only" Strikefire is labeled for extra brightness, and a daylight visible red dot.
If you want a mini-dot, just get the Primary Arms Advanced Micro.
Wrong rifle in that WebM, lol
I sell them for a living.
The Strikefire 1, on both the red/green and red superbright, were so dim you could not see the dot in a store lit with fluorescent lights that had dark carpeting. I've looked through probably 500 of them, swapped to brand new batteries on several, same result.
The Strikefire 2 was a significant upgrade on brightness, and the battery lasts about twice as long as well. Too bad the "4" MOA dot, due to being fuzzy as shit and egg-shaped, is about 9 MOA in practicality.
Eh, not my experience with it. Maybe I have one that wasn't assembled on a Monday/Friday, or an older model.
Last time I zero'd it was on a VERY bright spring day, on a white target with no issues.
Make sure you dont have an astigmatism first. All dots are blurry for me. Also go look at a few first in person. PA has great quality for the price and vortex is decent. I had a strikefire 1 and was impressed although my vision is shit. I gave it to my friend who put it on an AUG and loves it. Also I know that somewhere on the internet is a batch of aimpoints that was a agency sell off so you can probably get one cheap if you look hard enough.
I just want something that works. I saw good reviews on both sights from both sootch00 and mac
I have the sparc 2 and I can't find anything to complain about. 200 bucks with a lifetime warranty is hard to beat
I think primary arms offers just as good if not better products for less
and aimpoint offers far superior products for not much more.
the aco goes on sale for like $300. the pro for $360. if you can wait for a deal like that, you're set.
My utg underwent hamma test and have clear and crisp like fuck dot meanehile vortex out if box have dot that look like its floating red leaking egg yolk!
PA or better or BUST
*garbage for buck
You can't go wrong with a vortex sparc or primary arms md ads.
They're the only optics you should ever put on a rifle that isn't a .22 save for the more expensive things like trijicons or aimpoints.
While they're very durable for what they are, they're not as durable as the latter two expensive choices but you should be fine with either vortex or primary. They both have incredibly good customer service.
If you want to save up a bit for something a step above but not $600, wait for a sale on aimpoint pros.
> PAP causing PA REDDOT to shut off
> zastava PAP
Its probably PA fault contact their CS they will replace your no problem. THEY HAVE GOOD CS VERY GOOD CS.
Zastava is known to ship out countless ak with weak recoil spring and cause carrier peening issue.
Replace your recoil spring asap.
>Zastava is known to ship out countless ak with weak recoil spring and cause carrier peening issue.
My carrier hasn't been peening, I have heard about this problem.
I bought the optic from Amazon and already got my refund so I'm going to try again. It stayed zeroed though.
Zero was held the both zero adjustment turret still work perfectly. Dot color and brightness adjustment knob still work perfectly.
Before hamma test was performed it was mounted on L1A1 for 500 rounds and worked flawless then on overgassed 16" ar15 for 600rds and few bolt off handheld chink crossbow then basically retired until i performed torture test on it.
Replace your recoil spring regardless.
Whats round count?
I have only put about 600 rounds through it so far. I have an OPAP and it didn't have this issue either. I shoot the PAP more so I should probably just switch springs out until I can be bothered to buy a new one.
I've got the StrikeFire II, it works fantastically even while hog hunting here in Texas. My only complaint is the goofy cantilever mount, but whatever, I'm getting a new ring anyhow.
I thought that any rifle scope or rds put on a bow fired weapon or air rifle would ruin it for some reason. I can't recall the specifics but I remember someone on here mentioning it
Utg have been constantly improving ever since they started.
Especially their later gen chink optics and mount plus American pro stuff.
Although this utg reddot and scope mount for my dad's retired Bushnell ar223 scope is only utg product in my household.
I have kept eye on utg, im impressed with them.
That's exactly why i did it. Although that does nothing to particular one i had. granted handcrossbow i had wasnt powerful or anything . recoil was equivalent to one 380acp one 25acp recoil one forward one rearward. Jesus i fucking hate bow of any kind despite being natural bowman.
But some old man on internet mounted it on magnum revolver and it held up fine slightly different and superior model tho.
Well I think I might go with the sparc 2
Don't bother. Only budget optics you should get is primary arms and vortex.
>m-m-m-muh holosun and primary arms same OEM!!!1
Just fucking spend 3/4 your rifle's price on an optic already, poorfag! Then you can be super cool on 4chan like>>28478843
While we're at it, anyone gotten a Sparc AR yet?
Looks to be a T1/PA MD-ADS/Holosun clone.
Hopefully it will be breddy gud, my only complaint with the Sparc II is it's still pretty large for being a "micro"dot.
are these a good buy? I am building a beater ar pistol. Im just gona run steel case 7.62x39 through it. I dont care if the optic can be submerged or is super impact resistant.
Will I put decent groups in paper at 25yards with a Vortex?
They're pretty good.
I still believe that for almost every application one of the MRDS's from Primary Arms (which are about $40 cheaper) are better though.
Especially for a pistol build.
No lucid red dot?
Just ordered the lucid magnifier too.
>Will I put decent groups in paper at 25yards with a Vortex?
You should really put that money into buying 1,000 rounds and learning to not suck fat dick at shooting honestly.
>Anything other than PA's Advanced MD.
No. Buy PA advanced.
>out of a pistol
Firstly, you wont see decent group MOA wise due to rifle caliber not going to sleep yet.
Secondary, majority of steel case 7.62x39 ammo are garbage due to them lacking powder charge consistency.
Thirdly, 7.62x39 drop like rock especially worse out of shorter barrel and likely cause alot shooter's error when holding over or under especially with reddot and plain crosshair reticle of scopes.
Vortex is good brand for their scopes not reddot.
Their reddot is dogshit for money due to dogshit battery life their excellent warranty wont do anything because dogshit battery isnt result of manufacturing error but poor design and warranty aint going to fix that. They will send it back and say it work like it should.
Its better to go with PA and sacrifice excellent warranty due to more gained battery life wise and quality of the dot. Pa CS is already very good even if your warranty expired they will take care of you.
Go google PA customer service and click on link to various forum and listen to all those good experiences.
Are you mentally retarded?
7.62x39 retains its velocity quite well out of shorter barrels, it is why the Yugoslavian 7.62x39 M92 (10 inch barrel at 675 m/s versus 710 m/s out of an akm) and amd65 were successful designs.
You missed my point.
I know 7.62x39 are better out of shorter barrel than another intermediate caliber but that doesnt make my statement about dropping worse due to loss of velocity atop 7.62x39 already bad trajectory a FALSE statement.
10/10 shouldn't even post.
It's 50,000 hour battery life and plenty rugged.
Cousin got a job with an aimpoint rep. Now I can get 250 aimpoint pros. Feels fucking good.
Better than the Vortex? I think I am going to get one of these now. Also what is a decently priced mount for absolute co-witness?
Being "great" in short barrel doesn't stop it from dropping like rock compared to average rifle caliber. Due to excessive drop holding over and under will be required and if he doesnt have hashed reticle he will make errors which preventing him being getting "decent" grouping atop shitty majority of 7.62x39 ammo.
Also he will enjoy multiple jamming problems from shitty 7.62x39 ar15 magazines and bolt lug shearing unless he gotten ahold of lmt bolt that they do few run a year.
7.62x39 IS INDEED A GREAT OUT OF SHOTER BARREL compared TO ANOTHER INTERMEDIATE CALIBER BUT IT JUST STILL DROP TOO GODDAMN MUCH WORSE NOW BECAUSE LESS INITIAL MUZZLE VELOCITY.
this is last attempt to explin to you stuipd akfag.
My point was never that 7.62x39 suck out of shorter barrel just that due to it dropping like rock more hold over or under is required at various range and with reddot thats called for shitty group.
I have a Strikefire II. I got it for a good price and it is decidedly ok. Aimpoints have a more defined dot, and I expect that they would be more durable.
Sparc II is a good optic , sadly it looks like a comet so I looked into the prism one and I love it. I suggest if you can to physically look through the optic to see how it is to your eyes and see if it is the right one for you because you never know.