I was having a foreing policy/geopolitics class in University, the subject was military strategy. My teacher commented that Brazil made an interesting deal purchasing the Swedish jets, and that before that, Brazil was thinking about either buying Russian SU-30s or American F-15s. He said that as far as dogfighting goes, SU-30s would be better.
Is he right or just an American hating commie?
tl;dr F-15 vs SU-30
Ironically, if you like dog-fighting it's very hard to beat the 'obsolete' F-16.
Running clean the Viper has remarkable agility and thrust-to-weight.
As far as SU-30 vs F-15? The F-15 has never lost an air to air engagement or been shot down by hostile fire. It's expensive, however.
>why didnt the incredibly old ground attack aircraft dodge an AIM-9X?
This will probably answer you..
Worth the watch, very interesting.
so the answer is "it depends".
here's a partial list of the variables: fuel state, weapons on board, fatigue, training, experience, GCI/AWACS support, other players, sortie goals, maintenance, weather, time of day, doctrine, mutual support, ROE, intel, pure luck, angles, detection capabilities...
Where the hell does everyone get the delusion that the F-15 is a bad dogfighter? The ones from the 493rd at RAF Lakenheath in simulated AtA take RAF Typhoons at one to one kill ratios in dogfights.
>19/20 January 1991 : F-15E-46-MC, 88‑1692, c/n 1101/E076, of the 336th FS, 4th TFW, USAF, was shot down by a Soviet made SA-2E missile during Operation Desert Storm. Both crew members ejected and were POWs.
One line above there's one shot down by anti-aircraft artillery.
>The F-15 has never lost an air to air engagement or been shot down by hostile fire.
There are rumors that an israeli F-15 was shot down by a Foxbat but the incident was hushed down for obvious reasons.
>why was a russian aircraft that was supposed to be good at avoid being hit by missiles shot down in syria
by design, Su-24 avoids being hit by flying supersonic at treetop level.
The mission profile did not call for it because Russians had air superiority in syria. They did not expect a backstab by Turkey.
Engagement between two fighters will decided by the amount of energy the fighter can generate and control.
So if your little fighter isn't supercruise capable it will just end as easy prey.
That was from when an F-15E that was incorrectly loaded, went into a spin and crashed in Libya; the pilots ejected and were rescued (at the expense of a bunch of Libyan civilians).
The reason why Brazil bought Gripen instead is because Wikileak...uh, leaked about NSA tapping into their phone, even el presidente, so they cancelled the deal in retaliation
mudhens and C-models are incredibly different.
source: i fly mudhens.
instantaneous vs sustained? altitude? also who the hell labels an aviation chart in kilometers/hour?
fuel imba. the jet is hard to spin.
In term of what?
Gripen is meant for those who wanted a cheap replacement for early block F-16. Even the swedes made them because they can't afford to buy F-16 in sufficient number
>Even the swedes made them because they can't afford to buy F-16 in sufficient number
You seriously think that an indigenous fighter program is cheaper than buying second hand US cold war relics?
>who the hell labels an aviation chart in kilometers/hour?
yeah, should be in meters per second instead.
at least it's not in rods per hedgehog or whatever archaic units the burgers still use.
Yes and it took them less than 5 years from first flight to full production, unlike gripen.
Face it. Gripen is already obsolete even before they came out from production line. What makes you think the swedes came out with NG variant so soon?
>it took them less than 5 years from first flight to full production
...and another five years from lawn dart to a usable plane
>Gripen is already obsolete
gripen sells like hotcakes because it 's great value for money. yes it's not the top fighter but most customers don't plan for WW3 they just need it for airspace policing.
and you don't expect me to take the jet if he's trying to fly us into terrain?
i'm not a UPT washout. i might go there later in my career.
but "i fly f-15e's" is a perfectly accurate statement as a WSO.
>and another five years from lawn dart to a usable plane
Yes and what is gripen crash rate?
>sells like hot cakes
Which is not. Even those who bought them struggled to keep them in the air (South Africa, Hungary,etc)
I would give the edge to the Su-30 for superior maneuverability, but it's pretty darn close. Depends on the version, really. If the F-15E is allowed, then I pick that because it's a fucking beast with more powerful engines, upgraded avionics, and air-to-ground capability.
We actually bought gripens because we wanted tech and build here by Embraer.